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Saddam Hussein remains defiant in the face of an impending war. He hopes the attack will not take place but is preparing to face it. He denies having prohibited missiles and claims that Iraq has not violated any UN resolutions. Saddam proposes a televised debate with President Bush to present their perspectives on American policy and Iraq's commitment to peace. He insists that Iraq will not destroy its oil fields or dams and believes that the Iraqi people will not welcome American soldiers as occupiers. Saddam argues that Iraq was not defeated in the 1991 Gulf War and expresses hope for a peaceful relationship between the Iraqi and American people.

Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the decision to go to war in Iraq. Speaker 1 believes Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and the burden was on him to prove otherwise. He thinks the war was based on the totality of circumstances, not just the presence of weapons. Speaker 2 opposed the war from the start, doubting the existence of nuclear weapons and trusting George Bush's word. He believed the war was unnecessary and was only meant to unite the United Nations for inspections.

Speaker 0 states that Mister Bethune has always said he doesn't believe Iran should have nuclear weapons and asks how close he thinks they were to obtaining one. Speaker 0 references Tulsi Gabbard's March testimony that the intelligence community stated Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Speaker 0 says they don't care what she said. Mister Bethune believes Iran was very close to having a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 0: For a fact that he's poisoned his own people. He doesn't believe in the worth of each individual. We must do everything we possibly can to stop the terror. Now watch this drive. The tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.

The speaker is asked if their organization will engage in peace talks with the Israelis. They respond by saying that they don't view it as peace talks, but rather as capitulation or surrender. They question who they would even talk to, suggesting that it would be a conversation between the oppressor and the oppressed. They argue that talking without the presence of weapons is still not enough because they have never seen a successful conversation between a colonizer and a national liberation movement. They emphasize the importance of their struggle for dignity, respect, and human rights.

The speaker recalls a conversation about going to war with Iraq. They question the reason behind it and inquire about any evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda, but there is none. The speaker later learns about a memo outlining plans to attack seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. When they ask if the memo is classified, the person confirms it is. The speaker mentions bringing up the memo again in a recent conversation, but the person denies ever showing it to them.

In an interview with an American reporter, Saddam Hussein remains defiant in the face of an impending war. He hopes the attack will not happen but is prepared to face it. Saddam denies having prohibited missiles and claims Iraq has not violated any UN resolutions. He proposes a televised debate with President Bush to present their perspectives to the world. Saddam insists that Iraq will not destroy its oil fields or dams and believes the Iraqi people will not welcome American troops as liberators. He asserts that Iraq was not defeated in the 1991 Gulf War and vows to defend his country.

The speaker emphasizes the need to compel Iraq to destroy its weapons of mass destruction and expresses belief that the resolution is a march towards peace and security. Another speaker criticizes Joe Biden for his role in the Iraq war, stating that he used his position as chair of the foreign relations committee to ensure the war was authorized. It is mentioned that Biden prevented experts from testifying and controlled the senate debate, leading to distorted information. Additionally, Biden opposed an amendment that would have required further authorization for the war. The speaker concludes that Biden's actions played a major role in getting the war resolution passed.

The speaker suggests that US diplomatic discussions may be mere theater, a tactic used to justify going to war. They claim the US has used this tactic before, citing the example of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. According to the speaker, inspectors found nothing, but the US wanted to end the inspections to initiate war, which was their ultimate goal.

The war in Iraq was a mistake by George Bush. The U.S. should have never been in Iraq because it destabilized the Middle East. The speaker claims "they" lied about weapons of mass destruction, asserting that there were none.

Speaker 0 questions the rationale for the war, noting that “the intelligence did not suggest that an attack was imminent from Iran,” and asking, “What is left? Why are we at war with Iran?” He also remarks that “the nuclear program isn’t the reason” and that he never expected to hear Ted Cruz talking about nukes. Speaker 1 suggests the simplest explanation given, which has been backtracked, is that “Israel made us do it, that Bibi decided on this timeline, Netanyahu decided he wanted to attack, and he convinced Trump to join him by scaring Trump into believing that US assets in the region would be at risk, and so Trump was better off just joining Netanyahu.” He adds that this may not be the full explanation, but it’s a plausible one. He notes that “the nuclear program is not part of their targeting campaign,” and that “harder line leadership is taking hold,” with the Strait of Hormuz “still being shut down even as we get their navy.” He asks what remains as the explanation, suggesting it might be that Israel forced the United States’ hand and questions, “How weak does that make The United States look? How weak are we if our allies can force us into wars of choice that are bad for US national security interests?”

The speakers discuss formalizing a plan around demilitarization and a Ukrainian law, with the aim of having a clear, formalized arrangement so there won’t be lingering ambiguities like in Petro Poroshenko’s era. They express a desire to formalize relations in a memorandum, asking the other to participate: “You with me in a memorandum?” The reply indicates a broader scope: it’s not just about one person, but “all the people who are in this process, those who worry for Ukraine.” A disagreement arises over how to proceed. Speaker 0 emphasizes that the others should be brought into the process and refers to the need to avoid ultimatums, stating that an ultimatum had been given previously and described as “a hatch” or “a lid.” Speaker 1 challenges this framing and accuses Speaker 0 of shifting the topic, insisting that no ultimatums can be issued. The conversation touches on what has been transmitted to them about Ukraine. Speaker 0 asserts that people want a meeting with Speaker 1, asking, “What people, if you… went out to an event under - Famina?” The exchange then identifies several names linked to various regions, including Likhanyov and Kucharchuk, as part of those involved in the process. Speaker 1 questions the appropriateness of how things are being handled, stating, “This is not how you do it.” There is mention of a letter delivered to Speaker 1 by Stadnik (Nikolai), and the discussion centers on its purpose, described as “recognition.” Speaker 0 repeats that people asked about the letter and what was in it, and asserts that “in this letter” they were asked to clarify the situation—“recognition” being referenced by Speaker 1 as the goal. Speaker 1 asserts authority and status, referring to himself as the president of this country and declaring, “Me, 42 years old. I’m not a fool; I came to you and said: Remove the weapons.” He insists that Speaker 0 should not redirect the conversation toward “the actions” or other topics, arguing that the original moment has already been discussed. Speaker 0 reiterates the lack of weapons in their hands, but Speaker 1 remains insistent on the seriousness of the matter and tells Speaker 0 to listen. The exchange culminates with Speaker 1 stating, “Listen to me,” and asserting the seriousness of the situation, while Speaker 0 emphasizes that the weapons issue should be resolved and that there is no weapon in their hands. The conversation remains focused on demilitarization, formalization, and the pursuit of a meeting and a clear understanding among those involved.

Speaker 1 states there is no genocide in Gaza and that Palestine is a name invented by the Roman Empire. Speaker 0 says this view is not shared by the rest of the world. Speaker 1 responds that they are glad Speaker 0 speaks for the rest of the world. Speaker 0 mentions the United Nations General Assembly. Speaker 1 says the United Nations sends people in blue helmets to rape little girls in Africa and that the United Nations could be pushed into the Hudson. Speaker 0 asks what Speaker 1 thinks of the UN. Speaker 1 questions Speaker 0's claim to represent the world's opinion.

Speaker 0 questions: "You just suggested that Iran somehow got its hands on a tomahawk and bombed its own elementary school on the first day of the war, but you're the only person in your government saying this. Even your defense secretary wouldn't say that when he was asked, standing over your shoulder on Saturday. Why are you the only person saying this?" Speaker 1 responds: "Because I just don't know enough about it. I think it's something that I was told is under investigation, but Tomahawks are used by others, as you know. Numerous other nations have Tomahawks. They buy them from us. But I will certainly whatever the report shows, I'm willing to live with that report."

Speaker 0: The speaker questions the pretexts for international interventions, starting with Yugoslavia. “В какой предлог? Что, санкции Совета безопасности, что ли? Где Югославия, где США? Уничтожили страну.” The speaker acknowledges internal conflict in Yugoslavia but asks who gave the right to strike the European capital, insisting, “Никто. Просто так решили,” with satellite powers following and cheering. They label this as “всё международное право.” Next, the speaker asks about the pretext for entering Iraq (referred to as “Рак”). They describe the action as “Разработка оружия массового уничтожения” used to invade, destroy the country, and create “очаг международного терроризма,” only to later claim that a mistake had been made. They recount the line: “нас разведка подвела. Ничего себе! Разрушили страну разведка подвела.” They say, “И всё объяснение,” arguing that “Оказывается, не было там никакого массового оружия поражения, никто не готовил.” They state, “Наоборот, когда-то было всё как положено уничтожили.” Finally, they ask about Syria: “А в Сирию как зашли? Что санкций Советой безопасности? Нет. Что хотят, то и делают.” The speaker contends that in Syria, as with the previous cases, the actions were taken without regard to UNSC sanctions, with force used to satisfy unspecified objectives. In summary, the speaker challenges the legitimacy of military interventions by citing Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Syria, highlighting claimed pretexts of weapons of mass destruction, UNSC sanctions, and the perceived disregard for international law, suggesting that decisions are made arbitrarily while authorities and precedents are cited as justification.

Speaker 0: In gears to Syria. Our president has said that you're backing an evil guy there. He said Assad is an evil guy. Do you believe that? Speaker 1: what? That Assad is an evil person? Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: Let's talk objectively. Has Assad made mistakes? Yes, probably. And more than a few. What about the people who oppose him? Are they angels or something? Who is it that's killing people over there? Executing children? Who's cutting off heads? Are these the kind of people we should support? Speaker 0: We all saw the video of the suffering, dying children. Do you deny? Because Assad denies that those tapes are real. Do you believe those tapes are fake? Speaker 1: That's false information. As of now, we're absolutely convinced that this was a provocation. Assad did not use those weapons, and all of this was done by people who then wanted to blame him. Speaker 0: The bodies of the victims were autopsy. The autopsies were witnessed by officials from the World Health Organization and from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, and they concluded that the victims were attacked with sarin gas. Are are we really to believe that the whole thing was staged, that everybody was in on it? Speaker 1: The answer is very simple, and you know it. It could have been used by someone, but not Assad.

In 2002, before the Iraq invasion, Netanyahu testified to US Congress, stating Saddam Hussein was developing nuclear weapons and hiding facilities underground. This was allegedly false and led to war. Netanyahu also stated he wanted regime change in Iran and questioned how to achieve it. Speaker 0 asks: How can we trust someone who goaded the US into war in Iraq based on falsehoods? Given recent events, why are we confident Netanyahu won't do the same with Iran, given his 20-year call for regime change? Speaker 1 says the President and Secretary have close working relationships with Netanyahu. The US commitment to Israel's security transcends any government. The US condemns Iran's attacks. Speaker 0 notes Netanyahu heads the Israeli government and there's a difference between condemning actions and the US getting into a war with Iran. Speaker 1 says the US is not interested in an all-out conflict with Iran, but is committed to Israel's security.

The speaker asserts people desire freedom and will overthrow dictators like Saddam Hussein if given the opportunity. When asked about finding evidence of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons, the speaker states there is no question that the U.S. has evidence Iraq possesses biological and chemical weapons. This was the reason for military action to disarm Saddam Hussein. The speaker suggests reporters embedded with the military will find this evidence firsthand and the findings will be self-evident. When asked directly if the speaker expects the weapons to be found, the speaker reiterates Saddam Hussein possesses biological and chemical weapons, and this will become clear during the operation.

The US aims to prevent Saddam Hussein from using nuclear or chemical weapons on other countries. Despite his denial, he is believed to possess such weapons. The speaker mentions the devastating death toll of half a million children, surpassing that of Hiroshima. They question whether the cost of war is justified. Speaker 0 acknowledges the difficulty of the decision but believes the price is worth it. They argue that it is a moral obligation to protect the American people, military, and neighboring countries from the threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

Speaker 1 states that 20 years ago, the situation with Iraq was different because there were no weapons of mass destruction, and it was pre-nuclear age. Speaker 1 claims that Iran has gathered a tremendous amount of material and will be able to have a nuclear weapon within months, which "we can't let happen." When asked about intelligence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, Speaker 1 claims that if the intelligence community says there is no evidence, then "my intelligence community is wrong." When told that the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, said there was no evidence, Speaker 1 reiterated that "she's wrong." Speaker 1 denies helping Iran to stop reports of claims slamming Iran from China, stating that "they're there to take people out."

The speaker is asked why they won't admit that the US doesn't plan to give the money to Iran. In response, the speaker explains that they have always had the power to oversee how the funds are distributed and they have the option to withhold it if they choose to.

The speaker is searching for weapons of mass destruction. The speaker states there are no weapons in one location. The speaker then suggests the weapons may be in another location.

Speaker 0 asserts that Donald Trump decided to bomb Iran because Israelis said, for the first time, that if Trump did not bomb Iran to take out deep bunkers, Israel would use nuclear weapons; they had never threatened that before, and bombing Iran might save them from the start of World War III by preventing Israeli nuclear use. Speaker 1 asks for clarification, restating that Israelis told the U.S. president to use military power to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, or Israel, acting on its own, would use nuclear weapons. They note the problem with that statement, since Israel has never admitted having them. Speaker 0 concurs, and Speaker 1 points out the contradiction: they are saying Israel just admitted to having nuclear weapons, yet the U.S. does not have them in the IAEA treaty. Speaker 0 adds that, if Israeli nuclear whistleblowers are to be believed, Israel has had nuclear weapons, and began working on them in the 1950s.

Speaker 0 argues that without their current actions, a nuclear war would have occurred. Speaker 1 asserts that nukes are fake and that there are no nukes. They claim they have covered this many times. If nukes were real, they would have been used a long time ago. Instead, the behavior resembles firebombing: they firebomb places like Iran, dropping about 1,000 bombs, mirroring the World War II devastation of Tokyo, where on the night of March 9 Americans dropped 1,700 tons of incendiary bombs, destroying about 16 square miles. They compare this to Gaza, suggesting a similar destruction pattern. Speaker 1 continues: what they do is they place 1,000,000 pounds of TNT in the desert, explode it, and display a mushroom cloud as if it were a nuclear explosion, then claim it as a nuke. They advise putting on “glasses” like DuPont eclipse glasses because the explosion will be big, then finish with the claim that there are no nukes. They state, “There’s no nukes,” and contend that the alleged nuclear threat is used to justify invasions—“we’re gonna nuke them.” They question what they would nuke them with, arguing it would be with “invisible nukes,” implying a deception if nuclear capabilities were real. They argue that, if nuclear capability existed, it would have already been used to level an entire country in one second. Speaker 1 uses a Wizard of Oz analogy: we live in the Wizard of Oz, with a man hiding behind something who is not what he pretends to be; in reality, none of that is true. The same applies to germs, bioweapons, and lab leaks, which they claim are all nonsense and fear-based. Overall, Speaker 1 asserts that nukes do not exist, that the public is misled by demonstrations intended to simulate nuclear explosions, and that fears about germs and bioweapons are likewise unfounded. The dialogue emphasizes that claims of nuclear capability and bioweapons are deceptive fears used to justify actions.

The speaker argues that the war in Iraq resulted in an enormous, unrecoverable cost: “we spent $2,000,000,000,000, thousands of lives,” and that the outcome left the United States with nothing to show for it. The speaker contends that Iran is now taking over Iraq, describing it as having “the second largest oil reserves in the world,” and asserts that this outcome proves the involvement in Iraq was a mistake. The speaker states that George Bush made a mistake and that the United States “should have never been in Iraq,” claiming that the intervention destabilized the Middle East. Regarding accountability, the speaker questions whether Bush should be impeached and suggests a preference for letting the other party decide how to label the issue, saying, “So you still think he should be impeached? I think it's my turn, ain't it? You do whatever you want.” The speaker emphasizes a belief that those responsible “lied,” specifically about weapons of mass destruction, asserting, “They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Alright.” In sum, the speaker presents three core assertions: (1) the Iraq War was extraordinarily costly in financial terms and human lives, and produced no tangible gain; (2) the war destabilized the Middle East and empowered Iran to increase influence in Iraq, which the speaker frames as a mistaken outcome; and (3) the leaders claimed WMDs existed when they did not, asserting that there were no weapons of mass destruction and that those claims were knowingly false. The dialogue also touches on impeachment as a potential consequence for the leadership involved, framed through the speaker’s yes-or-no stance and interjections about accountability.