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The speaker watched the debate between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray on Rogan. The speaker says they are an American chauvinist who only cares about their own country and wishes other countries well. They believe countries should defend themselves and if a nation can't survive without being propped up by another government, like the U.S., then it shouldn't exist. Speaker 0 asserts Israel cannot exist without U.S. support, citing its nuclear program, weapons, and economy. They claim Israel's lobbying efforts in the U.S. prove this dependence. Speaker 1 believes Israel can handle itself. They reiterate that any country that fundamentally cannot exist without being subsidized by American taxpayers should not exist, and in fact, already does not exist.

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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a historic shift in American public opinion regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict. - Speaker 1 notes that public opinion on who voters sympathize with shifted dramatically in the wake of the current war. In October 2023, Americans favored Israel by 48 points; now, they favor the Palestinians by 1 point. He says he reviewed polls since the question began in the 1980s and that this is the first time Palestinians lead on this question, marking a historic shift away from the Israeli position toward the Palestinians. - He emphasizes that the shift was led by Democrats, moving from Democrats favoring Israel by 26 points to Palestinians by 46 points, describing it as a roughly 70-point swing and stating that, for the first time ever, more Americans sympathize with the Palestinians over the Israelis. - Speaker 0 adds that the shift is “a first that I have seen in my lifetime” and credits independent media and journalists reporting from Gaza for bringing images to social media, including images of civilians and alleged Israeli actions. He asserts that without on-the-ground reporting, people wouldn’t have seen certain images, asserts that journalists were killed by the IDF, and claims those images contributed to waking people up. - He contends that APAC is panicking, citing a new ad and a rebranding as “America first,” and argues Israel has lost the media war and the narrative, including some conservative and evangelical support (referencing Charlie Kirk’s base). - Speaker 1 details a parallel shift within the Republican Party, noting a significant age-based divide. Among Republicans over 50, they sympathize with Israel by 66 points; among those under 50, they sympathize with the Palestinians by 25 points. This creates about a 40-point gap, with younger Republicans leaning more toward the Palestinians than older Republicans. - Speaker 0 adds that Israel has hired pro-Israel influencers—paid about $7,000 per post—targeting the youth to reel back pro-Israel sentiment in the conservative youth vote. He notes these influencers were primarily young, implying a deliberate strategy to mobilize younger voters, while older voters are less in need of such outreach. - The speakers conclude that this combination of media exposure, shifts in party and demographic alignments, and targeted influencer campaigns constitutes a broad, historic realignment in American attitudes toward the conflict.

All the world's problems stem from the British Empire, including those in Gaza, China, Pakistan, India, and the Middle East. As the most powerful empire for 200 years, the British created conflicts worldwide. The current disaster in Palestine is partially due to British promises made between 1915 and 1917. The British promised the same territory to three different groups. First, in the McMahon communications, they promised it to the Arabs in exchange for fighting the Turks. Then, through the Sykes-Picot Treaty, they promised it to the French. Finally, in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, they declared it a Jewish homeland, despite the land not belonging to them.

Speaker 0: The Israelites is not Israel. And as Tony and I are both Catholic, and so when we talk about the Israelites that are talked about in the Bible, there is a clear distinction between this prophecy about the Israelites and the government of Israel and white Europeans settling into the holy land. Mhmm. And so when we say this, like, the Israelites, the Israelites in the bible are actually the Palestinian people who have been there for thousands of years, not the white European from Ukraine or Poland or America. The Israelites are the people who were indigenous to that land that lived there for thousands of years, and those are not the people who have Trump wrapped around his finger. It's this, like, settler colonial white Europeans that have settled into the land of the actual Israelites that have either blackmailed him or cut deals with him financially. I mean, we go back to greed. Right? Greed is always, like, a big factor decisions. So Trump, in all senses, is wrapped in intertwined with this government and the Zionist regime and the Rothschilds and the Vanderbilts and the 13 rich families that control the world, basically. Right.

The speaker says the United States is Israel's last ally besides the UK and that Americans lack perspective due to lies from the political class and media. Citing Haley's 2023 remark: 'Last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them and eliminating Hamas. It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel.' They assert: 'Israel could not survive without The United States' and that 'every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from The United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people.' They claim Haley was never asked to explain how that could be true, and warn that discussing geopolitics invites accusations of antisemitism, creating a 'state of perpetual intimidation' and no honest conversation.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

The speaker discusses the situation in the Middle East and urges support for Israel through donations. They argue that tax dollars already support Israel and mention the Balfour Declaration, which justified the colonization of Palestine and led to the creation of Israel. The speaker distinguishes between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, stating that Judaism is a religion while Zionism is a nationalist movement. They claim that Zionism weaponized Judaism to justify colonial actions and oppress Palestinians. The speaker concludes by suggesting that the media portrays the wrong heroes as villains.

The speaker responds to a video that portrays Israelis as the bad guys. They provide a historical context to explain the changes in land ownership between Israelis and Palestinians. In 1936, the Arabs revolted against the British and tried to kill Jews. The British formed the Peel Commission, which proposed a two-state solution, giving the Arabs more than 80% of the land. However, the Arabs rejected the proposal and continued to wage war against the Jews. In 1947, the UN divided the land, giving the Arabs the majority of developed areas. The speaker highlights that Israel won subsequent wars but did not take additional land. They argue that the Palestinians and Arab nations have consistently rejected peace offers, and Israel has made efforts for peace. The speaker hopes people will research and understand the history.

English people didn't support the Irish because England was the occupying power brutally oppressing innocent civilians. Similarly, American Jews oppose the system in Israel because they believe in civil rights, which Palestinians lack. The media and government are involved in this issue, but some people question why there is such a focus on Israel when there are other conflicts in the world. The Palestinians have been under occupation for a long time without any rights. James Baker and Colin Powell tried to establish a Palestinian state in the past, but the influence of the neoconservatives, who are part of the Israel lobby, prevented it.

Speaker 0 believes Christians are biblically commanded to support Israel, based on the idea that those who bless Israel will be blessed. Speaker 1 questions if this refers to the modern political entity of Israel, with its current borders and leadership, as opposed to the Jewish people. Speaker 0 affirms that the biblical reference to Israel does indeed refer to the modern nation-state, which he says is the same nation of Israel spoken about in Genesis. Speaker 1 expresses skepticism, suggesting that most people interpret the Genesis passage as referring to the Jewish people, not necessarily the political entity of modern Israel.

Speaker 0 states their support for Israel stems from a biblical teaching: those who bless Israel will be blessed. Speaker 1 questions if this refers to the modern government of Israel. Speaker 0 clarifies the Bible refers to the nation of Israel. Speaker 1 asks for a definition of Israel, questioning if it means the current political entity run by Benjamin Netanyahu, and Speaker 0 confirms that it does. Speaker 1 suggests the Genesis verse refers to the Jewish people, but Speaker 0 disagrees. Speaker 1 points out Speaker 0 cannot cite the exact scripture. Speaker 0 says they are explaining their personal motivation, not saying all Christians must support the modern state of Israel. Speaker 1 summarizes Speaker 0's position as being based on a Bible verse they cannot locate.

The speaker defines Zionism as someone who believes in a homeland for Jewish people, and adds, “My definition when I’ve looked at that in the dictionary is Israel first.” When asked, “It means Israel first?” the speaker confirms, “Yes.” The speaker notes that there is a negative connotation or incantation in many realms about Zionism and then raises a challenge: since Zionism denotes that it is Israel first, “can you possibly serve two masters? Meaning, can you serve England and Israel at the same time?” The speaker responds with a sharp interjection, “Shallow. Listen. Let me tell you something.” Addressing the possibility of conflict, the speaker states, “If there was a war tomorrow, which there will be, because I’ll probably start at the end of the session.” They continue, “If there was a war and it kicked off, I would be there on the front line fighting for Israel.”

Speaker argues the United States is Israel's last large ally besides the UK, with a large cost and limited perspective due to lies from the political class and media. They blame U.S. elected leaders for decades of misrepresentation. Citing Nikki Haley's 2023 Republican primary debate, the quote: "Last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them and eliminating Hamas. It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel." The speaker contends this is inverted: "Israel could not survive without The United States." American backing funds Israeli wars and social services; "every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from The United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people." Haley wasn't asked to explain, and questioning geopolitics is feared as antisemitic, leading to "a state of perpetual intimidation" and "We have not had an honest conversation about this ever."

Speaker 0 expresses support for Israel and the right of Israel to defend itself, but says they have to do this because they simply have no option if they are to survive as a country, and frankly, in many ways, as a race in that part of the world. Speaker 1 asks whether immigration represents a major threat to Britain from a demographic perspective, noting that in the last twenty years the white British population has declined from 87% to 74%, and asks if that is a concern. Speaker 0回答: No. No. Speaker 1 reiterates the claim of rapid demographic change, stating that the fastest and most rapid decline of the white British population ever experienced in British history has occurred in a tiny short period of time, and that majority cities that were once 90% white British are now majority ethnic minorities, citing London, Leicester, and Birmingham, and asks why this isn’t a concern of Speaker 0. Speaker 0 responds: But they're not unrecognizable as being English because of skin color. They're unrecognizable because of culture. He adds that he genuinely thinks the British are the most open minded, most accepting people.

The speaker questions why Britain is not getting involved in the Palestine issue, emphasizing that Palestine exists and providing evidence such as a coin and a passport. They believe that Britain, as the former mandate power, has the responsibility to end the ongoing debate and prove the existence of Palestinians. The speaker explains that Palestinians are real people, Arabs from different parts of the Middle East who lived in the region during the British mandate. They also mention that the name "Palestine" was given by the Romans to remove the Jewish connection to the land. The speaker concludes by stating that Palestinians, both Jews and Arabs, exist today and their history cannot be denied.

All the world's problems can be traced back to the British Empire. The British created conflicts globally, including in Gaza, China, Pakistan, India, and throughout the Middle East, due to being the most powerful empire for 200 years. The current disaster in Palestine is one example. Between 1915 and 1917, the British promised the same territory to three different groups. First, they promised it to the Arabs in the McMahon communications in exchange for fighting against the Turks. Then, through the Sykes-Picot treaty, they promised it to the French. Finally, in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, they promised it as a Jewish homeland, despite the land not belonging to them.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "And those two things beautifully coexisted." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often." "Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

The discussion centers on how politicization of intelligence has manifested in different eras, comparing past and present administrations. Speaker 0 asks whether the politicized weapons claims about Iraq and the CIA’s statements in the 1990s can be compared to today’s politicization of intelligence under John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard as head of DNI, arguing it is much worse now because of the mediocrity of those in control of key agencies. Speaker 1 counters by recalling the 1980s, noting that there was significant politicization of the Soviet threat to justify Reagan’s defense buildup, and adds that this is why he testified against Robert Gates in 1991. He asserts that politicization is bad, and insists that the current situation is worse than in the past. Speaker 1 explains: “It’s Because I look at the people who are ahead of these groups. Come on. Let’s be serious.” He targets the leadership of the director of national intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA, saying, “Have you ever seen a cabinet in The United States of such mediocrity, of such venality?” He emphasizes his background, stating, “I haven’t,” and that nothing compares to what is going on now, warning that “a lot of damage is being done to The United States and to the constitution of The United States and to the importance of separation of powers and the importance of rule of law and the importance of checks and balances. This is very serious stuff.” Speaker 0 attempts to steer toward historical figures like Robert Maxwell, but Speaker 1 dismisses that concern as off point, insisting he is making a point about Israel. The exchange then shifts to U.S. support for Israel, with Speaker 1 asserting that “Israel gets what it wants from The United States. It gets it from democratic presidents and from republican presidents.” He also criticizes Barack Obama for signing what he calls “that ten year $40,000,000,000 arms aid agreement,” arguing that Obama “never should have signed” it “because they treated Obama so shabbily in the first place.”

Speaker 0 argues that chanting “from the river to the sea” is in favor of a second holocaust. He suggests some students are ignorant and do not understand what they’re talking about, noting they talk about “end the occupation of Palestine” and needing a history lesson. He states that there has never been a Palestinian Arab state. Before World War I, the land experienced centuries under the Ottoman Empire and was not a Palestinian Arab state. Then came the British mandate for Palestine, followed by a UN partition plan that proposed a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the state and founded Israel, while the Arabs rejected the state and went to war to try to eradicate Israel, and they lost. He says they went to war again and lost in 1967 and 1973 and throughout the Intifadas. Consequently, he asserts that the land historically has “no stronger connection” than any group of people except the Jewish people, and that connection goes back thousands of years. He concludes with a call to “Read your bible.”

The Jewish people have been attached to the land of Israel for 3,500 years. The loss of their land occurred during the Arab conquest in the 7th century when Arabs took over the land and made the Jews a minority. Despite being dispossessed and scattered, the Jews never gave up their dream of returning to their ancestral homeland. In the 19th century, they started coming back and building farms and factories. The conflict with the Palestinians arises from their refusal to accept a Jewish state, claiming it as their own. The speaker argues that while Palestinians can live alongside Jews, they cannot demand the dissolution of the Jewish state.

I'm here today because as a Jewish Israeli, I cannot support the genocide happening in Palestine. The British government's support for Israel, along with the media's backing, is illegal and immoral. We will always stand against it. Many people in Britain also oppose the government on various issues, including this one. The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians didn't start recently; it began in 1948 when numerous Palestinian villages were destroyed, thousands of innocent Palestinians were killed, and hundreds of thousands became refugees. This violence has persisted ever since.

Tommy Robinson arrived in Israel on an official invitation from Israel’s minister of diaspora affairs, Ami Chikli, described as a major moment for free speech and truth telling on the world stage. The accompanying interview sets up a live-followed tour at tommyinisrael.com. Avi expresses his own perspective: he’s happy to be there and hopes to show solidarity with strong leadership, praising Netanyahu while criticizing Britain’s government for recognizing a “terrorist state” and claiming it was elected with only 20% of public votes. He warns that the 80% not supporting the government likewise do not support recognizing a terrorist state, and asserts that the problems Israel faces—security issues for Jews in Israel—are the problems Europe will face as Islamic extremism is empowered and “leaders have gotten their knees to them.” He recalls Jews being dragged out of Gaza as part of a peace deal and says Israel cannot be appeased. He frames his visit as friendship with Israel, a beacon of freedom and democracy, in contrast to surrounding states described as human rights violators and jihad states. He adds that Britain will face similar issues. The two discuss money and media. Mossad allegedly ran out of money, joking that Avi has been sent instead; they deny being paid by Israel or any organization and say they are not paid to cover the trip. They say Rebel’s coverage aims to counter BBC/Sky “fake news” narratives. A website, tommyinisrael.com, is launched to give a front-row seat to Tommy’s tour, with a call to followers to help cover the travel costs, including a humorous note about seven-thousand-dollar per post. They state they have not received funds from Israel and are covering their own travel and hotel expenses, without government or NGO support. Avi notes that Tommy has become “enemy of the state” in Britain but a “friend of the state” in Israel, and possibly in other countries, recounting an incident in Panama where authorities refused entry and deported him until the mayor intervened with an apology and security escort. They describe a growing public interest, with airport footage showing people recognizing Tommy Robinson and welcoming him; even some protesters on the left express positive sentiments. They encourage following the full tour on tommyinisrael.com and subscribing to updates, and reiterate the personal financial cost of the trip—about ten thousand dollars between the two of them for flights, plus hotel expenses—emphasizing they are funding the trip themselves.

According to John Fetterman himself, his Zionism puts him out of step with the rest of his party, which—“I'm sorry, only 13% stand with Israelis against the Palestinians.” The speaker argues that this is a party whose grassroots are currently captured by the left, and therefore Zionism does not have a future in the American left. The Democratic Party’s relationship with Zionism, the speaker says, depends on whether it is willing to repudiate that far left. The speaker emphasizes how appalling this is by noting that Jews built the left in this country and built the labor movement; “We broke the New Deal.” The speaker asserts that “70% of the lawyers who worked on civil rights cases were Jews” and that Jews have been at the forefront of every liberal and leftist issue in the country. The speaker condemns the idea of telling Jews they are not welcome, calling it a form of “absurdity” and drawing a vivid analogy: when bars banned smoking and the speaker, a former smoker, felt outraged and imagined a turf war where smokers would have to concede to the bars. The point is to illustrate how easily one can imagine a counterfactual in which the left in America reasons that opposing Zionism would cost them their beloved Jews who had stood with them at the forefront of the movement. The speaker asserts that this is not what happened; the left did not oppose Zionism to keep Jewish support. Instead, they did the opposite. The core claim is that Zionism is being pushed to the margins within the American left because the left’s grassroots have shifted leftward, and this shift is incompatible with Zionist alignment as presented by the speaker. The speaker argues that the left’s relationship with Zionism hinges on whether the left will repudiate its far-left tendencies, and he maintains that the left did not repudiate Zionism or push Jews away; they, in effect, embraced a stance that makes Zionism increasingly unwelcome within the party. The overarching message is that Jews have played a central, formative role in the left, and to claim otherwise or to bar Zionists from participation would be a betrayal of that historical involvement.