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Glenn (Speaker 0) argues that the idea Russia started the war merely for territory is nonsense and that NATO’s involvement is not genuinely helping Ukraine; he says “This is NATO’s war. Nothing we’re doing is actually helping Ukraine. They’re an instrument. They’re a tool.” He contends the conflict began as a failure to build a common European security architecture, and that Russian demands are high, making a peace settlement unlikely. He defines victory in a war of attrition as exhausting the adversary first, suggesting Russia would prefer a neutral Ukraine without NATO, and that if Ukraine remains in NATO orbit, Russia would rather take Odessa. He asserts that NATO expansion revived Cold War logic and that Ukraine’s neutrality was the original Russian objective. He argues that Ukraine’s current war losses and economic strain indicate Russia’s advantage, and claims NATO support has not truly helped Ukraine, noting that in his view NATO and Western actions have been a driver of the conflict, including claims about Istanbul, Minsk, and the 2014 coup. Jonathan (Speaker 1) pushes back on several points. He says the war is not solely about territory and disputes Glenn’s claim that NATO’s role is responsible for the conflict. He emphasizes that if this were simply about NATO, NATO could have destroyed Russia by arming Ukraine more aggressively, yet “they could have done it so much more, effectively,” implying NATO has not fully acted. He sees both sides as losing in a prolonged attritional battle and notes that neither side has achieved decisive victory due to limits on production, economies, and allied support. He argues the conflict is about more than territory and rejects the idea that NATO guarantees Ukraine’s security; he questions whether NATO would credibly defend an attacked ally in Europe. He says the Maidan movement in 2014 was organic and not fully orchestrated by the US, though he concedes US influence existed. He disputes Glenn’s claims about Western NGOs and American orchestration, and he highlights that many Ukrainians initially favored non-NATO paths, with polls showing limited appetite for NATO membership before 2014. He also contends that Ukraine’s future lies beyond mere territorial concessions, pointing to the EU’s role and the broader security order, and he warns that negotiations with a “mafia cabal” running Moscow are unlikely to yield lasting peace, arguing that Putin’s governance frames negotiations as instrumental and potentially destabilizing. Speaker 2 (moderator) asks for reactions to ongoing developments, including Trump and Kushner’s involvement, Putin’s aides’ statements about known positions and lack of progress, and questions about what Russia truly seeks: Donbas control or preventing Ukraine from joining NATO. The participants discuss definitions of “winning” in a war of attrition, the role and credibility of NATO guarantees, and the strategic importance of neutrality versus alliance membership. They debate whether Russia values a neutral Ukraine with security guarantees or insists on broader concessions, and whether Ukraine could ever be secure without a credible deterrent. Glenn asserts that there was never credible deterrence in Ukraine prior to 2014, while Jonathan argues that NATO’s efficacy and unity are questionable, with concerns about member states’ commitments and the real level of Western support. On NATO and security guarantees, Glenn maintains that true security for Ukraine would come from a non-NATO arrangement that prevents Ukraine from becoming a future proxy battleground, suggesting limited, carefully designed guarantees could be acceptable, but that any path toward NATO-like intrusion would be unacceptable. Jonathan says NATO is not delivering credible security and emphasizes that EU membership and security arrangements also factor into Russia’s calculations, with the European Union potentially offering security commitments if Ukraine joined, though that possibility remains contentious for Moscow. They discuss the costs of war, civilian impact, and the global economic ripple effects, including potential impacts on food prices and shipping routes if Russia responds to Ukrainian actions against its maritime traffic. Towards the end, they forecast no immediate peace and emphasize unpredictability due to Western political shifts, central bank asset issues, and external actors like China, North Korea, and Trump’s stance. Glenn predicts Ukraine’s military unraveling and a weakening economy, while Jonathan stresses that a peace deal remains unlikely under current leadership, with outcomes dependent on Western resolve and external support. The conversation closes with a sense that the next months will be dangerous and uncertain, with the broader international order potentially shifting as the conflict persists.

Biden and Austin admitted that the purpose of the war in Ukraine was not about Ukrainian freedom, but rather to exhaust the Russian army and engage in a proxy war. The US repeatedly prevented Zelensky from signing the Minsk Accords, which could have prevented the war. The speaker believes that the US deliberately provoked Russia and that the war could have been avoided. They argue that the US's actions have led to negative consequences, such as pushing Russia towards China and risking the dollar's status as the world reserve currency. Additionally, the speaker highlights the danger of provoking a nuclear superpower and questions why the conflict was not resolved peacefully from the start.

The speaker discusses the assumption that Western arms deliveries to Ukraine will continue, emphasizing that if they stop, Ukraine will also cease to exist. They highlight the potential costs of Russia winning the conflict, including a large number of refugees and the geopolitical implications for Europe and the United States. The speaker argues that Western support for Ukraine is relatively inexpensive compared to the potential consequences of Russia's victory. They also mention the importance of Ukraine's military resilience in order to maintain its independence and statehood. The speaker emphasizes that Russia is the enemy and poses a threat to the Western liberal order. They criticize the media for portraying the conflict as a soap opera rather than recognizing the ideological battle for the future of Europe.

The speaker argues that the United States is shaping Ukrainian strategy to be aggressive toward Russia, asserting that Ukrainians are being encouraged to believe they will ultimately join the West because the United States will prevail over Putin and achieve its aims. The speaker notes that time is on the side of the U.S. and its allies, and that the Ukrainians, according to the speaker, are largely aligned with this perspective. The speaker claims that the Ukrainians are almost completely unwilling to compromise with the Russians and instead are pursuing a hard-line policy. Building on this assessment, the speaker states a consequence: if the Ukrainians continue to take a hard-line stance, the end result will be that their country is wrecked. The speaker contends that the policy and posture being encouraged effectively drive toward that outcome, implying that the approach is counterproductive for Ukraine’s welfare. From the speaker’s viewpoint, it would be more sensible for the United States and its partners to work toward creating a neutral Ukraine. The speaker asserts that achieving neutrality would be in the United States’ interest, as it would help bury the crisis quickly. The speaker also claims that it would be in Russia’s interest to resolve the crisis in this manner, implying mutual benefit from moving toward neutrality rather than escalation. Most importantly, the speaker emphasizes that it would be in Ukraine’s interest to bring the crisis to an end. The underlying claim is that ending the crisis through neutrality would align with Ukraine’s best interests, contrasting with the consequences of a prolonged hard-line policy and continued conflict. Throughout the statement, the speaker presents a contrast between a hard-line Ukrainian posture and the proposed alternative of neutrality, framing the latter as a quicker, more beneficial resolution for all parties involved. The overall argument centers on the idea that current encouragement of a tough posture leads to a wrecked Ukraine, while a shift toward neutrality would serve American, Russian, and Ukrainian interests by ending the crisis promptly.

- Democrats' spending caused inflation, and Biden's administration ignited global unrest after a peaceful period under Trump. Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal was botched, and NATO expansion talks provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Opportunities for peace were rejected, leading to a prolonged war with mass casualties and depleted US stockpiles. - The US has a history of military interventions, including the bombing of Belgrade, and illegal wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, as well as involvement in the 2014 coup in Kyiv. The US government cannot be trusted. - NATO expansion was promised not to move "one inch eastward" but Clinton signed off on plans to expand NATO to Ukraine. The US unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002, leading to missile systems in Eastern Europe that Russia views as a threat. - Putin sought to force Ukraine to negotiate neutrality, aiming to keep NATO off Russia's border. The US rejected negotiations, and a draft Russia-US security agreement proposing no NATO enlargement. - Germany has aligned with the US, supporting NATO expansion, but previously had an independent foreign policy. Merkel knew NATO expansion was a bad idea but gave in to US pressure. - The US is in a hot war with Russia, with US personnel on the ground in Ukraine. Russia could disable critical American infrastructure. - The war in Ukraine is a US-Russia conflict provoked by the US with the aim of NATO enlargement. The American people have been told the opposite. - The war started in 2014 with US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine's government. The US rejected off-ramps and continues to fund the war, resulting in Ukrainian deaths and territorial losses. - The US should negotiate with Russia, acknowledging mutual security concerns and halting NATO enlargement. - The US is trying to destroy Russia through CIA operations in Ukraine. Russia is defending its right to survive. - Globalists aim to exploit Ukraine's resources and destroy Russia. The BRICS nations are moving towards a gold-backed currency. - The US has invested billions in Ukraine since 1991 to support a democratic government. Zelenskyy's team is adding fuel to the fire. - The US blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, as promised by Biden. - The US is turning Ukraine into a de facto member of NATO.

In the video, the speaker mentions that there is a belief in the West that Russia and Ukraine are at war. However, the speaker argues that it is actually the USA that is against Russia, using the potential of NATO and the European Union, as well as the armed forces of Ukraine. The speaker suggests that these entities are interested in weakening Russia, but also points out that China is another center of power in the world. The speaker concludes by saying that once these entities believe they can handle Russia, their next challenge will be dealing with China.

The speaker argues that Russia is winning the war in Ukraine due to superior weaponry and manpower, and Ukraine's dependence on Western support. He claims Trump will likely end the "Biden pipeline" of weaponry. A negotiated settlement is unlikely because Russia's demands—Ukraine's neutrality, demilitarization, and acceptance of Russian annexation of Crimea and four oblasts—are unacceptable to Ukraine and the West. The speaker believes Ukraine is losing and should cut a deal now to minimize losses, but nationalism and Western Russophobia prevent this. He dismisses the idea that Russia threatens to dominate Europe, calling it a "ridiculous argument" given their struggles in Eastern Ukraine. He says Putin wants to restore the Soviet empire, but Putin has stated that recreating the Soviet Union makes no sense. He views NATO expansion into Ukraine as the "taproot" of the war, analogous to the US Monroe Doctrine. He argues that the US foreign policy establishment is incompetent and has driven Russia into China's arms, undermining US strategic interests. He says the decision to bring NATO to Ukraine was made in 2008, and backing off is unacceptable to the US and the West. He claims the US has a special relationship with Israel that has no parallel in recorded history, and the Israel lobby has awesome power and profoundly influences US foreign policy in the Middle East. He says the Israelis are executing a genocide in Gaza, and the goal is ethnic cleansing. He believes the world will be dominated by the US, China, and Russia in the next 10 years.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the Ukraine conflict as part of a broader geopolitical strategy attributed to a globalist elite. Speaker 1 contends that globalists in the White House, in Congress, and in European capitals want BlackRock to take over Ukraine to strip its resources and subjugate it to a globalist agenda, and they also aim to destroy Russia. The claim is that the war has never been about Ukraine itself, but about destroying Russia. According to Speaker 1, the people in charge failed to perform strategic analysis, underestimating Russia by treating it as if it were the post-Soviet state of 1992—weak and prostrate. The reference to John McCain’s description of Russia as “Spain with a gas station” is invoked to illustrate this hubris. The argument continues that Russians warned against NATO on their border and about the dangers of Western actions in Eastern Ukraine, but these concerns were ignored. Speaker 1 asserts that the outcome is a dangerous, ongoing war that could become regional or global, with a consequence that the White House is not fully grasping. He predicts a massive Russian offensive when ground conditions permit, foreseeing that much of what is currently identified as Ukraine—especially the Kyiv government—will be swept away. He claims the Kyiv government represents the interests of the globalist elite seeking resources to exploit, not the Ukrainian people. The discussion shifts to broader economic implications, including the potential loss of the petrodollar as Putin engages with Saudi Arabia and China. Speaker 1 frames the war as both military and financial, suggesting that BRICS could expand dramatically and move to a gold-backed currency, whether a single currency or a basket. He asserts that this shift threatens the current global financial system and that the globalists are desperate as a result. The speaker fears that once Ukraine’s fate becomes clear, there will be pressure to deploy US forces into Western Ukraine, with Polish and possibly Romanian troops, which would escalate into a full-scale war with Russia. According to Speaker 1, Putin has shown restraint and does not want a war with the West, but intervention in Western Ukraine could end in open conflict. Speaker 1 also argues that Putin has repeatedly warned against advancing the border toward Russia and transforming Ukraine into a hostile actor, framing what happens in Ukraine as an existential strategic interest to the United States. He contrasts this with a claim that Biden’s stance has prioritized regime change in Russia and the division of Russia to exploit it, while alleging that oligarchs like Kolomovsky, Soros, and others are part of this globalist project. The discussion concludes with criticisms of U.S. military recruitment practices, suggesting the Army and Marines are not prepared for such a conflict, including comments about recruitment of illegals encouraged by the administration.

The speaker argues that Russia is winning the war in Ukraine due to superior weaponry and manpower, and Ukraine's dependence on Western support. He claims that Trump won't refill the "Biden pipeline" of weaponry. He says Ukraine's defenses are collapsing and a diplomatic settlement is impossible because Russia's demands are unacceptable to Ukraine and the West. These demands include Ukraine becoming a neutral state, demilitarizing, and accepting Russia's annexation of Crimea and four oblasts. He believes Ukraine should cut a deal now to minimize losses, but nationalism prevents it. He dismisses the idea of Russia dominating Europe as ridiculous, stating Russia struggles to conquer eastern Ukraine. He says Putin pines for the Soviet era but understands recreating the Soviet empire is impossible. He views NATO expansion into Ukraine as the taproot of the war, analogous to America's Monroe Doctrine. He says the decision in 2008 to bring Ukraine into NATO was made despite recognizing Ukraine as a special case and a potential source of trouble. He attributes this decision to the belief that the US could "shove it down their throat," underestimating Russia's security concerns. He says the US has driven Russia into China's arms, which is against American interests. He says the Israel lobby has awesome power and influences US foreign policy in the Middle East, even when it conflicts with American interests. He says Israel is executing a genocide in Gaza to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Greater Israel. He says the US has a special relationship with Israel that has no parallel in recorded history.

The speaker argues the United States is principally responsible for causing the Ukraine crisis. While acknowledging Putin started the war and is responsible for Russia's conduct, and that America's allies bear some responsibility, the speaker asserts the U.S. pursued policies seen by Putin as an existential threat to Russia. This threat is specifically America's obsession with bringing Ukraine into NATO and making it a Western bulwark on Russia's border. The speaker claims the Biden administration was unwilling to eliminate that threat through diplomacy and recommitted to bringing Ukraine into NATO. The speaker draws parallels to the Vietnam and Iraq wars, where Americans questioned how their country miscalculated so badly.

Apparently, the strategy is to weaken Russia, which is essentially a state of war. The aim is to remove Putin, replace his administration, and potentially divide Russia. This stems from the neoconservative movement, which has always been anti-Soviet and anti-Russian, pushing for a strong, challenging America. However, America can't challenge Russia, especially since the U.S. military isn't ready for war. The U.S. is using the Ukrainian military as cannon fodder, fighting over pride and fear of a Russian/Chinese economic takeover. America shouldn't go to war for trade, even if it means becoming number two or three economically. The world is multipolar, but the U.S. hasn't accepted this. People don't realize how destructive even a limited war would be. The situation is much more dangerous than people realize because America is too prideful and arrogant and will be nasty when it doesn't get its way in Ukraine.

According to the speaker, if Putin aims to destroy the American empire by exploiting its weaknesses and initiated the Ukraine war to accelerate its decline, and if he supports Hamas, then it can be predicted that Putin will prolong the Ukraine war without seeking peace or negotiation. The speaker claims that Ukraine is becoming a black hole for NATO, draining resources and creating discord within NATO and the United States, as Germany allegedly wants out of the conflict. The speaker asserts that Putin does not want to expand the war by attacking Poland, as this would force all of NATO to fight him. The speaker also claims that to control the situation in Ukraine, Putin needs America to fight another war to distract it.

The speaker claims that mainstream media lies about the Ukraine war, asserting that Russia is not incompetent, Ukraine is not a democracy, Putin is not Hitler, and Ukraine is losing badly, facing massive casualties of 400,000 dead and widespread surrenders. He suggests the US may intervene, despite being unprepared for a war with Russia due to declining military discipline and outdated equipment. He compares the US military's current state to that of the late-Vietnam era and pre-Franco-Prussian War French army. Russia's initial war aims were limited to protecting Luhansk and Donetsk and guaranteeing neutrality for Ukraine, but now include ensuring Ukraine remains neutral and isn't part of NATO. Zelenskyy is portrayed as fighting to the last Ukrainian while planning to retire with stolen aid money. The speaker criticizes Victoria Nuland as a neocon driving conflict and accuses the US of spending $14 trillion on military interventions since 2001, creating massive debt. He argues that the US military is weaker than perceived, with obsolete equipment and a bloated command structure, and that the US is prioritizing foreign conflicts over domestic issues. He concludes that the US is in decline and heading towards a "come to Jesus moment."

Russia is consistently portrayed as acting against American interests, particularly with its alliance with China and its invasion of Ukraine. This action, while wrong, was driven by Russia's concern over Ukraine potentially joining NATO and becoming a satellite of the United States with American weapons. The speaker argues that Ukraine's government isn't fully sovereign, alleging it was installed by a CIA coup. They highlight that during peace talks in Istanbul, a potential agreement was disrupted by the US, leading to further devastation and loss of life in Ukraine. The speaker questions why the U.S. is at war with Russia.

This war isn't about Ukraine; it's about destroying Russia, a miscalculation based on outdated assumptions about Russia's weakness. Ignoring Russia's concerns about NATO expansion and the 2014 Ukrainian government change led to this conflict. The globalist elite, seeking to exploit Ukraine's resources, are losing. This war has significant financial implications, threatening the petrodollar and potentially leading to a shift towards gold-backed currencies. A major Russian offensive is anticipated. US intervention in Western Ukraine would escalate the conflict into a full-fledged war, a risk given America's current military readiness issues and recruitment challenges. Russia's goals were to protect its population in Eastern Ukraine, prevent Crimea from becoming a US naval base, and prevent Ukraine from becoming a hostile actor. The current situation is a result of a failure to negotiate and address Russia's legitimate concerns.

Ukraine's decision to give up nuclear weapons and pursue NATO membership is criticized as a mistake. The US is blamed for pushing Ukraine towards NATO and overthrowing Yanukovych in 2014, leading to the current crisis. The speaker urges the White House to avoid war by reassuring Russia that NATO will not expand further. The situation is seen as a result of long-standing US foreign policy goals.

The speaker claims: "we overthrew, Iraq with military force coming in from across the globe to overthrow Iraq." "We have gone in, and we have overthrown, Ukraine, with military force from the other side of the globe." "and, we we were the source of both of these conflicts, and it's very unfortunate because the American people are not are not like this." "It's just it's the foreign policy establishment." "Zelensky is a is a puppet." "He does what he is told, when he is told, and they you know, the the people who control him decided that if they put him in a green T shirt, he would look like a hero, so they they had him wear a green T shirt." "This is a fellow who is a comedy actor." "He is a creation of the media out of whole cloth." "He he really didn't exist as as anything until the media created an image of him, very much like a like a play actor."

Speaker 1 claims to have heard "behind the scenes" that war is coming and NATO wants to send 250,000 troops into Ukraine. Speaker 1 states that Ukraine is losing the war, with the death toll approaching 1.5 million, and that Ukraine has "flatlined" according to computer analysis. Speaker 1 believes the West is gearing up for war and deliberately crossing Putin's red lines in order to provoke him into attacking NATO, so they can claim he is the aggressor.

The speaker criticizes the West's actions in Ukraine, warning against provoking Putin. They highlight the threat of Islamic extremism and suggest focusing on helping countries like Syria and Iraq instead of escalating tensions with Russia. The speaker urges a shift in priorities to address the real threats facing society.

The speaker discusses potential conflicts in Ukraine, Crimea, the Caucasus, and NATO's involvement. They criticize the West for instigating wars and claim that NATO's main goal is war with Russia. The speaker portrays the West as a decaying continent that thrives at the expense of the rest of the world, sending troops to the East while enjoying luxury. They argue that Western countries initiate wars and then talk about democracy.

The speaker believes the U.S. is closer to World War III than ever due to the Biden-Harris administration's policies. In 2019, the speaker predicted that Joe Biden's presidency would lead to war with Russia, based on his anti-Russia stance in the 1990s. The speaker claims the U.S. aimed to prevent Russia from regaining superpower status, but Vladimir Putin revitalized the country. According to the speaker, Russia's economy and middle class are thriving despite sanctions, while the U.S. vilifies Russia and its president. The speaker asserts that the U.S. and NATO have lost a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine, and the U.S. is now escalating the conflict by supporting attacks on Russian civilians, which the speaker believes are war crimes. The speaker concludes that this will lead to World War III, which Putin has stated no one would win due to nuclear weapons. The speaker urges Americans to end the Biden-Harris regime to avoid this outcome.

The speaker asserts that Russia is winning the war in Ukraine, and Ukraine is doomed due to a lack of weaponry, manpower, and Western support. A negotiated settlement is impossible because Russia's demands—Ukraine's neutrality, demilitarization, and acceptance of Russian annexation of Crimea and four oblasts—are unacceptable to Ukraine and the West. The speaker believes Ukraine should cut a deal now to minimize losses, but nationalism and Russophobia prevent this. The speaker argues that NATO expansion into Ukraine is the taproot of the war, analogous to America's Monroe Doctrine. He believes the West mistakenly thinks Russia is a mortal threat to dominate Europe. Putin pines for the Soviet era and wants to restore it. The speaker says that during the Cold War, he thought that the Soviets were not ten feet tall. He also says that the decision to bring Ukraine into NATO was made in 2008. The speaker thinks that the US believed that they could shove it down their throat. The speaker believes that the US has driven the Russians into the arms of the Chinese. He says that the American foreign policy establishment is incompetent. The speaker says that the US has a special relationship with Israel that has no parallel in recorded history. He also says that the Israel lobby is an incredibly powerful interest group. The speaker defines the Israeli actions in Gaza as genocide. He says that the Israelis have long been interested in expelling the Palestinian population from Greater Israel. The speaker believes that the international system will continue to be dominated by the United States, China, and Russia. He thinks that the US and China will remain the two most powerful countries on the planet.

The speaker expresses concern about the escalating tensions between the US and Russia, emphasizing the importance of avoiding a nuclear conflict. They mention reports that the US discouraged Ukraine from negotiating with Russia at the beginning of the war, despite having a potential deal in place. The speaker criticizes the official narrative that portrays Vladimir Putin as a madman and a threat to Europe, while also downplaying his nuclear threats. They draw parallels to the misrepresentation of Osama bin Laden's motivations and argue for listening to the enemy's perspective. The speaker acknowledges that Putin was wrong to invade Ukraine but argues that there was provocation. They highlight the broken promise of NATO not expanding eastward and the current presence of NATO forces on Russia's border.