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Собеседники спорят о Буче: один говорит, что это «хорошо спланированная акция…», чтобы показать агрессивность, кровожадность, убийцы россияне; другая сторона отвечает, что «ничего подобного там не было» и знает «номера автомобилей» организаторов БУДЖ, спрашивая, «почему это всё замяли на Западе?» Разговор переходит к телам: «я своими глазами видел», «на войне… тела» — один настаивает, другой сомневается. Путин якобы говорил, что «вся Буча это фейк», но оппоненты утверждают, что их «спецслужбы» обращали внимание Запада, однако «вы замылили их». Interlocutors discuss Bucha: one says it was a 'well-planned operation to show aggression, bloodlust, murderers'—the other counters that 'nothing like that happened there,' claiming to know 'car numbers' of the organizers of BUDZH and asking why it was hushed in the West. Bodies: 'I saw with my own eyes.' Putin allegedly said that 'all of Bucha is a fake,' while others say their 'intelligence services' drew the West's attention, and that 'you concealed them.'

This transcript argues that Putin’s denazification claim rests on the presence of neo‑Nazi symbols and actors in Ukraine. It states the red and black flag is 'the flag of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists' and the blue and yellow shield symbol is that of what was called the Azov Battalion; these symbols are described as 'pro Nazi symbols' such as the Wolfsangel and the Sonnenrad or black sun. It asserts 'The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists were Nazi collaborators during World War II' and that Bandera’s followers committed pogroms and ethnic cleansing. It links the 2014 Maidan revolution to Bandarite influence, naming figures like Yarosz, Beletsky, and Avakov, who allegedly integrated far-right militias into the National Guard. It notes Zelensky’s Jewish background amid claims he aligns with Western interests, criticizes Western media for whitewashing, and points to social media normalization of Azov symbols, urging anti‑war action.

Zelensky was an actor and comedian. He was never involved in politics, never involved in governance, government, nothing. Not one of those things. In 2014, when Ukraine's government was overthrown in a coup, Zelenskyy was placed there, his only experience being playing the role on TV and in movies. Ukraine has always been known to be one of the top 10 most corrupt countries in our entire world. This war started in 2014, and although Russia made the first move, the question you guys need to start asking yourselves is, was Russia actually the aggressor? Zelenskyy has banned all opposing media. Zelenskyy has single handedly banned any oppositional party. There have been documented cases of Zelensky's military showing neo Nazi strategy called the Azov battalion. Liberals, who was laundering money with Russia and Ukraine? Hunter Biden.

During World War II, the Soviet Union was a military ally whose anti-Nazi propaganda was accepted and later integrated into historical accounts. One speaker states their belief that 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the war by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. They then ask another speaker, the president of Iran and a scholar, if he believes that 6,000,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis, or if he thinks that is not true. The other speaker says he doesn't think 6,000,000 Jews were gassed, and cautions that this statement is against the law in Germany, and could result in imprisonment.

I'm from Ukraine and there's a large faction of Nazis there who killed my whole family. I want people to do their own research instead of believing everything they see on screen. I try to shake them up and break their mind control programming. The other person disagrees with me about Ukraine, saying the president is Jewish. But just because he's Jewish doesn't mean he's good for the Jews. My point is that people shouldn't trust others just because they look like them. Wake up, people.

The speaker questions the validity of claims regarding war crimes in Bucha, Ukraine. They highlight the lack of evidence and motive behind the alleged killings, pointing out inconsistencies in the narrative. The speaker questions why the victims were scattered along a road if a massacre had occurred, casting doubt on the accusations against the Russians.

I think the idea that Zelensky's fall is somehow Ukraine's fault is a joke. You're going to regret it when Zelensky is sitting on a beach counting his money. This war began in 2014 with a coup against Ukraine's elected president, backed by the US. The criminalization of the Russian language led to an uprising in the east. Zelensky shelled East Ukraine for years before Putin intervened, killing thousands. You support a regime that praises Nazi collaborators. There's a tiny percentage of neo-Nazis in Ukraine. To call the Jewish leader of Ukraine a Nazi is despicable. You'll be sorry for propping up Putin, who invaded Ukraine to restore the Soviet Union. He's a tyrant, and people like you are useful idiots. Trump is wrong about this. He's right to forge peace. I agree with Trump's plan to get peace, but I don't agree with calling Zelensky a dictator, and I don't agree that it was Ukraine that started the war.

It has already been more than three years since staging of the alleged mass killing in Bucha, which the speaker says Kyiv regime and its Western curators "hastily cobbled together this implausible story." They claim it was "criminal disinformation" about Moscow, and that Russian investigative authorities opened a criminal case to clarify what happened. They say they appealed to the UN secretariat and High Commissioner Volker Türk; in September 2024, via the Russian mission in New York, a request was delivered for information, but the UN allegedly tried to let the appeal fade away. They quote UN officials saying they understood that what Kyiv and West insisted happened did not occur, yet offered no exposure. They accuse the UN of evading cooperation and demand publication of the appeal as UN documents, calling for a thorough Bucha investigation and justice, and alleging Kyiv left negotiations after Boris Johnson promised them influence.

"Ukraine is not a sovereign state. It does not have internationally recognized sovereign borders." "It's still part of Russia. It has been since the tenth century." "Ukraine has been the center of the globalists for decades and decades." "CIA, they've been working this in the Ukraine for seventy years, building up a resistance to everybody and everything because they needed to bring the Soviet Union down, but they also want the resources that are in the Ukraine." "With so much rapid information passing by us like bullets on a raging battlefield, it gets difficult to understand where we are, where we're going, and what's true." "The affirmative task we have now is is to actually create a new world order." "Every prime minister of Israel has been a Khazar Ashkenazi Jew with no connection to Semite people at all." "The Khazarian mafia today."

Спикер 1 заявляет, что события под Бучей были «хорошо спланированная акция, чтобы показать агрессивность, кровожадность, убийцы россияне и прочее», и что «ничего подобного там не было»; он добавляет, что знает, «кто это делал, и мы знаем номера автомобилей, на которых приехали организаторы БУДЖ», и говорил об этом публично, спрашивая, «почему это всё замяли на Западе?». Спикер 0 отвечает: «Больно это слышать, я своими глазами видел», утверждает, что видел тела и не согласен с тезисом об отсутствии зверств, и добавляет, что Путин заявил, что «вся Буча это фейк», и он «понял, что вы солидарны с ним». Спикер 1 добавляет, что «наши спецслужбы конкретно обращали внимание Запада на некоторые вещи» и что, по его словам, «вы замылили их», называя: «на каких автомобилях кто проезжал, кто это делал, мы знаем». Speaker 1 states that the Bucha events were a «well-planned operation to show aggression, bloodlust, killers of Russians and the like,» and that «there was nothing like that there»; he adds that he knows, «who did it, and we know the license plate numbers of the cars the organizers of Budzh arrived in,» and he spoke about it publicly, asking, «why was all of this hushed up in the West?». Speaker 0 answers: «That hurts to hear, I saw it with my own eyes,» claiming that he saw bodies and does not agree with the thesis of no atrocities, and adds that Putin stated that «all of Bucha is a fake,» and he «understands that you are in solidarity with him.» Speaker 1 adds that «our intelligence services specifically drew the West's attention to certain things» and that, in his words, «you blurred them,» naming: «which cars passed by and who did it, we know».

Speaker 0: It is an indictment of your own leadership. And in countries across Europe, the leaders feel that way. Russia is an embarrassment to them because it is, relatively speaking, thriving. And so they all, as one, backed the Biden administration's plan to have a war with Russia. And let's stop lying. This was not an unprovoked invasion. Putin just randomly went over the line into Eastern Ukraine and stole these oblast. He stole this land that belonged to another people. That's a total lie, and it's not a defense of Putin to call it out as a lie because it is, and everybody knows it now. The truth is that in 2001, Putin, same guy, same leader, asked the Bush administration in person directly to George W. Bush, I would like to join NATO. I would like to join the defensive alliance that exists to keep me from moving west into Western Europe. In other words, you won. I'm joining your team. And due in part to his own limitations as a leader and due in part to the counsel that he received from Condoleezza Rice at the time, George w Bush turned down that offer and prevented Russia from joining NATO. And the guest we're gonna speak to in a moment, if you're wondering if he has a good track record of calling future events, said at the time, this decision to turn down Vladimir Putin's it's twenty five years ago, Vladimir Putin's request to join NATO, to join the West, to all be in it together, to work together, this decision made by the Bush administration guarantees a collision with the West. We are now on a collision course. And, of course, he was absolutely right because NATO didn't want Russia because NATO wanted a war with Russia, and boy, they got it. And so from 2001 all the way to 2022, twenty one years, NATO moved inexorably east surrounding Russia. And many times, again, this is not a defense of Russia. It's just a fact. Many times, the Russian government under Putin said, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Are threatening our core national interest, which is not to have other people's missiles on our borders back off. And then in 2014, the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine to put an American puppet in there, thereby sealing the fate of nations. When that happened, and Sergei Karganov said it at the time, you have just guaranteed a war in Ukraine that will destroy Ukraine.

"Please explain to me the difference between Putin's invasion of Ukraine and our invasion of Iraq." "Somebody tell me what was different." "Why was ours considered okay and Russia's not?" "The only they're for the same thing, regime change." "Same thing." "We wanna change who is governing Iraq." "Putin wanted to change who is governing Ukraine." "Now don't get me wrong." "I didn't support either war." "They both suck." "But everybody you notice our national media doesn't bring that up at all, do they?" "And you notice they brought up now the Fed or the international courts have made it so Putin can't travel now because he's considered a war criminal." "Let's not forget the international courts did the same thing with Bush and Cheney after the invasion of Iraq." "Why do you think George Bush can't leave The US?"

The mayor of Bucha initially reported the city was free from Russian troops without mentioning any tragedies. A city council deputy later urged residents to stay indoors during a military sweep, still not mentioning any atrocities. Days later, she mentioned bodies in an interview. The Ukrainian National Police released a video of a sweep in Bucha without mentioning bodies. Reports of bodies only surfaced when the Ukrainian military and media arrived, suggesting a coordinated effort to create a dramatic narrative. Translation: The mayor and city council deputy of Bucha did not mention atrocities initially, but later reports of bodies emerged coinciding with the arrival of the Ukrainian military and media.

"If you look on the Internet, look at president Trump, for instance, what he makes it very clear about, which is if you put the facts out there, you will see how people operate and they'll hang themselves by their own demise." "Well, we put the facts out there because he is the only person out there from over there doing good because the Biden administration have been behind this from the beginning." "UK, USA, the funding." "they bomb a country and then they rebuild the country." "they're also targeting the individuals for organ harvesting, which is happening." "we also have evidence of Putin removing children from Ukraine and The Hague have gone up against him against war crimes for taking those children away when he's actually replaced 4,000 children back with their parents after the mercs and the undercover operatives have taken them away."

It will soon be three years since I publicly asked them at UN meetings to help us get at least some information about the tragedy in Bucha, which they used to impose sanctions on us. BBC showed these scenes two days after not a single one of our soldiers was there. And now we are asking for only one thing: "Can we see the list of those people whose corpses you showed on the BBC?" I even asked the UN secretary general about this publicly at a meeting of the Security Council. In New York, I told them, "guys, you were journalists. Aren't you professionally interested in finding out what happened there?" We officially requested information about the names of those people whom the media showed they're already dead. There was no reaction at all, and I kind of shamed the journalists. That's all.

Just starting with those awful images coming out of Ukraine in the last few days, they're horrific. And they're really harrowing. And I think nobody who's looked at them could be left untouched by them. I actually turned the newspaper front pages over at home the other day because I didn't want our children to even see the images. And I think it's very important that when we see acts like this, that we call them out. They are war crimes. What I don't think is wise, and this is you know, we're always being asked to do this, is for politicians to sit looking at clips on social media or on programs and forming instant judgments about whether it's a breach of this law or had. That doesn't seem to be wise.

Four days after the mayor of Bucha declared liberation, dead bodies appeared on the road. Speculation arises that Ukrainians may have killed those friendly to Russians. The media's lack of questioning allows for potential war crimes, such as the castration of Russian POWs, to go unnoticed.

UN investigators have found that Russian propagandists are complicit in the genocide of the Ukrainian people. In response, they have created a deep fake to discredit the foreign fighters in Ukraine. These fighters are courageous individuals fighting for justice, liberty, and Ukraine's liberation. As a foreign volunteer, I am proud to stand with them and the other volunteers in this fight.

The speaker claims: "we overthrew, Iraq with military force coming in from across the globe to overthrow Iraq." "We have gone in, and we have overthrown, Ukraine, with military force from the other side of the globe." "and, we we were the source of both of these conflicts, and it's very unfortunate because the American people are not are not like this." "It's just it's the foreign policy establishment." "Zelensky is a is a puppet." "He does what he is told, when he is told, and they you know, the the people who control him decided that if they put him in a green T shirt, he would look like a hero, so they they had him wear a green T shirt." "This is a fellow who is a comedy actor." "He is a creation of the media out of whole cloth." "He he really didn't exist as as anything until the media created an image of him, very much like a like a play actor."

Afshin Ratanzi and the guest discuss the Epstein files and how they are being linked to Russia and Western power structures. The guest says 3,000,000 Epstein files have not been released by the Department of Justice, with Trump administration’s attempts to block them and congressional efforts by Thomas Massie and Ro Conner to release them. He notes the files describe how a former Russian deputy, Ponomarev, allegedly wanted to incite a coup in Russia and the assassination of President Putin, and mentions interest in interviewing Ponomarev, who reportedly lives in Kiev. The guest adds that Going Underground has interviewed some people from the Epstein files, including Noam Chomsky, who he says criticized how NATO media prevent understanding of world events and support Russiagate. He mentions Ehud Barak walked out of the show, and notes FBI sworn statements containing disturbing allegations such as child cannibalism, and says these are “allegations, of course.” He asserts Western media will blame Putin and Russia to avoid confronting the broader “dump of redacted 3,000,000 files,” portraying Washington, London, and Brussels as oligarch-dominated and condemning Western democracy while accusing elites of trafficking children and influencing tax legislation to enrich the rich. The host asks what fears the Epstein links raise. The guest explains that Epstein, described as a Mossad asset, purportedly sought to destroy the Russian Federation because a multipolar world involving China, Russia, Venezuela, and Iran challenges Zionist expansion. He argues leaders from those countries aren’t in the Epstein files, contrasting them with Western elites. He discusses why media might link Epstein to Russia, noting that Trump’s handling of the files has caused concern in West Asia; the guest suggests Trump could launch wars (e.g., Iran) to distract from links to Epstein and to avoid scrutiny of his own associations, which could have global economic consequences if Straits of Hormuz were affected. Addressing why the “Russia hoax” persists, the guest emphasizes the existence of a captive population in NATO countries through propaganda and restricted access to alternative outlets (citing bans on Rumble in France and RT in Britain), arguing Western oligarchs control cultural and media sectors. He contends that Western systems have historically supported wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria, and claims public belief about events like Bucha could be shaped by NATO media. Regarding Britain’s role, the guest claims MI6 is heavily involved in wars including Syria, with Epstein-linked interests tied to overthrowing Assad; he notes Peter Mandelson’s resignation from the House of Lords and his appointment as British ambassador to the United States, highlighting Britain’s investment in destroying Russia since the Crimean War. He cautions that Britain’s diplomacy may be a lie and urges BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization members to reassess Western leaders, suggesting distrust toward Western diplomacy and warning that leaders in global South should recognize a pattern of destruction propagated by Western powers. The interview ends with thanks to Afshin Ratanzi.

I oppose the escalation of war and advocate for peace in Europe, including Ukraine and Russia. Some here claim the Ukrainian regime represents our values, but this is misguided. The current government in Kyiv is linked to a history of genocide, specifically the Nazi-affiliated Bandera movement. The symbols and rhetoric used by Ukrainian soldiers reflect this troubling legacy. It's important to recognize these connections rather than blindly support the narrative being presented.

Bucha massacre. I've been to Bucha, so I want to play this clip. So I don't believe that Bucha was a war crime. I believe it belongs in the long line of false flag operations used to trigger war False flag? Absolutely. It was a massacre carried out. Have you been there? No. It was a Have you spoken to the people? There. I'd be killed if I went be killed by been to Besiktivas Russia. It's because you're chilling for him. Zelenskyy would have me killed if I went there. I am absolutely certain that the people who were massacred at Bucha were massacred by the Nazis that are the foundation stone of the existing Ukrainian state.

Bucha massacre. I've been to Bucha, so I want to play this clip. So I don't believe that Bucha was a war crime. I believe it belongs in the long line of false flag operations used to trigger war False flag? Absolutely. It was a massacre carried out. Have you been there? No. It was a Have you spoken to the people? There. I'd be killed if I went be killed by been to Besiktivas Russia. It's because you're chilling for him. Zelenskyy would have me killed if I went there. I am absolutely certain that the people who were massacred at Bucha were massacred by the Nazis that are the foundation stone of the existing Ukrainian state.

Speaker 1 stated he doesn't know what Tucker Carlson is saying about him being complicit in the war, and that Carlson should get a television network to say it so people will listen. Speaker 0 then asked if Speaker 1 had spoken to Zelensky before the bylaws.

Three years after asking them at UN meetings for information about the Bucha tragedy, which they used to impose sanctions on us, I said, 'Because our BBC The BBC showed these scenes two days after not a single one of our soldiers was there.' The request remains: 'Can we see the list of those people whose corpses you showed on the BBC?' I even asked the UN secretary general about this at a meeting of security council. New York, at General Assembly, I told world press, 'Aren’t you professionally interested in finding out what happened there?' We asked for information from the UN Human Rights Office for names of those people media showed they're already dead; there was no reaction. Bucha was shown on BBC screens and on social networks. It was a news explosion. Three days passed and everything went quiet. 'The order to keep quiet came.' That's all.