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Twenty percent of Americans did not take the COVID vaccine because it was not safe enough. The mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been chemically modified to resist breakdown by enzymes. The mRNA and spike protein are found in the heart and brain, and the spike protein circulates in the blood for six to nine months post-vaccination. The speaker claims the lethal part of the virus circulates in the blood of vaccinated individuals, especially after boosters, and that it is a killer protein. The speaker asserts safety trumps efficacy and objects to claims that vaccines, specifically the COVID-19 vaccine, saved millions of lives. They state that consent forms do not guarantee the vaccine will save lives and that there has never been a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showing that COVID-19 vaccines reduce mortality or hospitalization.

The speaker believes that halting mRNA vaccine research and development at BARDA is a tragic, non-science-based mistake. They state that mRNA vaccines saved lives, citing estimates that in 2021, unvaccinated individuals were 12 times more likely to be hospitalized and die, and in 2022, six times more likely. The speaker, a member of the FDA vaccine advisory committee, notes initial concerns about potential serious side effects when the vaccine was rolled out to millions, but these did not materialize. While the vaccine can cause rare myocarditis, it is transient and self-resolving, unlike myocarditis caused by the virus itself, which can lead to hospitalization and death. The speaker emphasizes the technology's potential beyond COVID-19, including applications for cancer and gene therapy.

Every childhood vaccine will be mRNA, becoming gene therapies that alter genetics without re-approval. COVID vaccines were profitable data and experimentation tools, but the real danger is the continued genetic tinkering via mRNA integration into all vaccines. The speaker is now anti-vaxx and will not get any more vaccines for themselves or their family because all vaccines are being redesigned to include gene therapies, driven by profit.

Speaker 0 asks: "Do you think there's evidence that the changes to people to their genetic structure wrought by these vaccines could be passed on to their children?" Speaker 1 responds: "The McCullough Foundation, of which I am the vice president, we just published a person who had cancer of the bladder, which is a very severe cancer, in that tumor, so in the bladder cells that had become dysplastic, that messenger RNA was found in the cancerous cells of this tumor. So it seems to be integrating. Now the question is, is it integrating in a way that is can be passed on to the offspring, or is it so dysfunctional that it's killing the host before it can be passed on? And and I don't know that we yet know that, but remember, the science is the topography of ignorance. I mean, there's a lot about this that is is very, very concerning. There's also a study that this messenger RNA seems to have transcribed into liver cells."

A study comparing gene profiles of 800 healthy individuals to mRNA-injured individuals found severe genetic dysregulation in the latter. Seven of the injured individuals developed new-onset cancers within a year of mRNA injection, while three experienced cardiovascular or long vaccine syndrome. Gene expression comparisons revealed thousands of dysregulated gene expressions in the mRNA-injured, linked to mitochondrial failure and oncogenic activations. Cancer suppression genes were not being suppressed, and immune dysregulation was observed. The study claims to be the first to show long-term genetic disruptions in the vaccinated, indicating molecular chaos within cells. This may be the biological mechanism behind cardiovascular and carcinogenic issues seen in the vaccinated, possibly due to genomic integration of DNA plasmids from the manufacturing process. The speaker states that this is a landmark report and calls for further investigation into the effects on the population, noting that a large percentage of the global population received COVID vaccines.

The speaker raises concerns about the mRNA vaccines, pointing out discrepancies between official narratives and what they claim to have observed under a microscope. They mention the presence of RNA fragments and self-assembling nanotechnology in the vaccines. The toxicity of the COVID vaccines is discussed, with a mention of excess mortality and adverse effects on fertility. The speaker suggests that the vaccines are part of a depopulation plan and could be considered biological weapons. They claim to have found evidence of these vaccines in human blood. The lack of mainstream media coverage is also mentioned.

The speaker describes unbridled enthusiasm and irrational exuberance for life as sacrificing safety. They state they presented autopsy work on death after COVID-19 vaccination at the American Society of Microbiology, where thousands of microbiologists, vaccinologists, and immunologists attended. As people visited, the speaker was stunned by what they call scientific seduction by messenger RNA technology. They predict a cataclysmic recognition that mRNA platforms are unsafe, claiming there is no way to break down pseudourrogenated messenger RNA. The speaker asserts that circulating messenger RNA from Pfizer or Moderna remains in patients’ bloodstream three years after the shots, described as intact.

The speaker claims SV40 in literature turns on cancer genes. They further claim the spike protein impairs tumor suppressor systems P53 and BRCA, promoting cancer and inhibiting the ability to fight it. The speaker suggests cancer rates are up, and the question is how much is due to vaccines. They state that repeated shots every six months increase the chances of getting loaded with synthetic genetic material that will cause harm, including heart disease, neurologic disease, blood clotting, immunologic problems, and cancer.

Speaker 1 reports evidence from multiple sources, including InModia lab in Germany and John Cantazaro at NEO7 Bioscience, that Pfizer and Moderna code is reverse transcribed and inserted into human DNA. According to Speaker 1, this means individuals could carry a "stamp" of Pfizer or Moderna in their genome. The speaker suggests the body may not be editing out or repressing this code, as spike protein evidence persists for years. Transmission of spike protein producing genetic code is possible, along with fragments of code for the spike protein, SV40, and other DNA fragments. Speaker 1 raises concerns about potential health issues like blood clots, heart damage, autoimmunity, and unusual tumors. John Cantazaro's research indicates a dramatically altered genetic profile in vaccinated individuals, tilting towards neoplasm or cancer. Speaker 1 shares an anecdote about a patient who developed terminal cancer after vaccination, with Cantazaro confirming the presence of Pfizer code in the patient's genome.

The speaker claims messenger RNA vaccines with the spike protein can induce cancer in multiple ways. They allege the presence of oncogene stimulants, specifically SV40 in the Pfizer vaccine, confirmed by multiple researchers. A paper from Wurzburg purportedly confirms this and shows the vaccines convert cells to cancer. The speaker asserts the spike protein and mRNA vaccines bind to major suppressor genes like P53, BRCA, and MSH, which normally suppress cancer. Mutations in these genes can lead to earlier onset of cancer. The speaker suggests these vaccines could cause the equivalent of mutations in these genes, leading to an explosion of colorectal cancers. They advocate for an immediate ban on these vaccines and accountability for those who oppose it.

Recent Pfizer data reveals DNA contamination and acknowledges that liquid nanoparticles can spread throughout the body, contradicting previous denials. Concerns are raised about potential links between mRNA vaccines and cancer, referencing a 2006 FDA document warning about long-term cancer risks associated with mRNA gene therapies. Despite the push for mRNA in flu vaccines, long-term safety studies are lacking. Evidence suggests that these therapies may indeed pose cancer risks. The speaker expresses confidence that within five years, the connection to cancer will become undeniable, citing existing documents and admissions that indicate serious risks, even if they are not openly acknowledged.

The speakers discuss the potential effects of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Speaker 1 explains that the idea of DNA fragments and reverse transcription in vaccines is a distinct possibility proven in vitro (in the laboratory) but not as solidly established in real-life humans. He says the machinery exists to reverse transcribe the synthetic mRNA in “these gene products” but notes skepticism about certain public figures and officials who allegedly ignored earlier communications. He cites Denis Rancourt’s data, claiming the vaccine has killed 17 million people and that the injury-to-kill ratio is 34.4. He translates this to global totals of 602 million injured or killed, with approximately 700,000 Americans killed and 2.5 million injured in the United States, describing this as an unprecedented injury-to-kill ratio in medicine and military contexts. He asserts that deadly gene products should have been removed from the market and from Florida two years ago. Speaker 0 asks whether Latipo was alerted two years ago and whether he ignored the warnings. Speaker 1 confirms that Latipo, Ashley Moody, and DeSantis did not respond to communications over the past two years, but notes that Latipo is now taking some action. The conversation shifts to how people can respond health-wise. Speaker 1 contends that health care systems and governments are corrupt, claiming the government has spent trillions of dollars to capture healthcare systems and push dangerous narratives. He urges listeners to leave the conventional healthcare system, describing it as corrupt and implying that healthcare professionals are silenced or fired for speaking out. He promotes an alternative health approach through a parallel system and mentions an emergency medical kit intended to address multiple dangerous diseases and scenarios, asserting that timely access to certain drugs is limited through ordinary medical channels. Throughout, Speaker 1 emphasizes drastic distrust of mainstream medical and governmental institutions, urging viewers to seek alternative health solutions and to prepare for potential health crises. He repeats that the traditional healthcare system is compromised and advocates a shift toward a different healthcare approach and emergency preparedness, including access to medications outside standard channels.

The speaker clarifies they are injured by an mRNA therapeutic, not a vaccine, and highlights issues with lipid nanoparticles and synthetic mRNA, which can persist for hundreds of days. They claim that instructing cells to produce a protein that presents on the cell surface can trigger autoimmune disorders. The speaker states that the spike protein itself is biologically active, causing cells to grow and divide inappropriately, and was known to damage the placenta and lungs. They assert they knew early on that the shot didn't stay in the arm. They cite 2005 research showing the SARS-CoV-1 spike protein alone could harm animals. The speaker references 2015 gain-of-function research at UNC, NIH, and Wuhan labs, where a more lethal and transmissible SARS virus was created. A traditional vaccine attempt for this virus caused harm and lethality in animals, with pathology slides showing similar vascular lung damage seen with SARS-CoV-2. The speaker concludes that "they" knew about these risks but still rolled out the vaccine, profiting from it while falsely claiming it was safe and effective.

The speakers describe a study in which gene expression profiles are compared across several groups to assess the impact of mRNA injury. The comparison set includes a healthy control group that was observed before the COVID-19 era, individuals classified as mRNA injured, a subset of three individuals with cancer, and a smaller number of participants who exhibited neurological and cardiovascular adverse events. The central finding reported is that, in the mRNA-injured group, thousands of gene expressions become dysfunctional. The dysfunction spans several critical cellular and biological processes, notably mitochondrial function, immune function, and protein production. The speakers indicate that these alterations include the production of abnormal proteins as a consequence of the disrupted gene expression patterns. In addition to widespread dysfunction in metabolic and cellular pathways, the speakers note that genes involved in cancer surveillance are turned off in the mRNA-injured group. Specific genes named are p53, KRAS, and BRCA, with their expression or regulatory activity described as being suppressed or deactivated. The implication conveyed is that the disruption of cancer surveillance mechanisms accompanies the broader profile of gene expression changes observed in response to the mRNA injury. The overall conclusion presented by the speakers is that flooding the body with synthetic messenger RNA is associated with unleashing biochemical havoc, which they characterize as having severe consequences. The framing suggests a causal or strongly associative link between exposure to synthetic mRNA and the observed downstream effects on gene expression, including mitochondrial and immune dysfunction, abnormal protein production, and the suppression of key cancer-related surveillance genes. The narrative emphasizes the magnitude of the molecular disturbances, noting that thousands of gene expressions become dysfunctional and that critical safeguards against cancer may be compromised in the mRNA-injured group.

The speaker argues that an irrational, unbridled enthusiasm for new possibilities leads to a sacrifice of safety. This enthusiasm, in their view, has adversely affected precautionary considerations and risk assessment. They reference presenting autopsy findings related to deaths following COVID-19 vaccination at the American Society of Microbiology, an event attended by thousands of microbiologists, vaccinologists, and immunologists. In conversations with attendees, the speaker was surprised by what they describe as a scientific seduction surrounding messenger RNA technology. The core concern expressed is that this eagerness to embrace mRNA platforms is accompanied by a neglect of safety considerations. The speaker asserts that there will be a cataclysmic recognition that messenger RNA technology represents an unsafe platform. They emphasize that, as they understand it, there is no way to break down certain aspects of the technology they refer to as “pseudourogenated messenger RNA,” noting this within the context of their work in research laboratories. The statement implies a belief that the degradation or metabolic processing of this form of RNA poses unresolved issues. A central, striking claim presented is that circulating messenger RNA from Pfizer or Moderna has been found in their patients’ bloodstream three years after vaccination, and that this RNA is intact. The speaker underscores this as evidence tied to their observations and research experiences, asserting the persistence of the RNA in the circulatory system over an extended period. Overall, the message conveys a perspective that rapid adoption and optimism around mRNA vaccines and technologies have overshadowed safety considerations, and it anticipates a future realization of safety concerns associated with these platforms. The speaker ties their warnings to concrete experiences at a major scientific conference and to specific, long-term biomarkers observed in patients, presenting a narrative of ongoing research findings and anticipated paradigm shifts in how the safety of mRNA vaccines is perceived.

"you were two to four times more likely to suffer serious harm from taking the COVID vaccine than you were to be hospitalized with COVID." "what is more better described as a gene therapy than as a vaccine." "$500,000,000 worth of investments in the mRNA technology for vaccines." "mega analysis of all the data." "Hundreds of studies, peer reviewed studies showing the harms of the mRNA vaccine." "the side effects of this gene therapy was so enormous and progressive, it was difficult to fathom." "The millions of molecules of mRNA entering the cell is creating biochemical havoc." "It's disrupting protein metabolism." "It's interfering with tumor suppressor genes." "In other words, it may be a risk factor for cancer." "it's highly likely that the COVID vaccines have been a factor, a significant factor in the cancer of members of the royal family."

The mRNA platform is effective but has a flaw: it can cause autoimmune disorders by producing foreign proteins in cells. The challenge is to target only specific cells and avoid damage to vital organs. The pandemic allowed the emergency use authorization of mRNA vaccines, bypassing safety measures. However, a large portion of the population has already accepted this technology. To address the issue, a solution could be to replace the spike protein with a different protein that doesn't have flaws. But if the problem lies in any foreign protein transcribed by cells, the immune system may still target vital organs.

The speaker asserts that COVID-19 shots do more than affect the immune system; they can damage the brain and worsen mental health. They claim a wave of studies shows sharp increases in various strokes: ischemic strokes up to 44%, hemorrhagic strokes up to 50%, and transient ischemic attacks (mini strokes) up to 67%. They also report increases in neurological and autoimmune conditions, including myasthenia gravis up 71% and Alzheimer’s disease up 22%. Cognitive impairment is claimed to have risen by nearly 138%, while depression is up 68%, anxiety disorders up 44%, and sleep disorders up 93%. The speaker links all of these increases to “toxic spike protein accumulation and persistence in the brain.” The speaker states this is not a conspiracy theory and cites what they describe as documented peer‑reviewed research and studies by experts. They name epidemiologist Nicholas Holcher, who allegedly says that using mRNA to hijack cells in various organ systems to produce a highly toxic spike protein that persists in the body for months or years was “one of the worst ideas in medical history.” The speaker then asks, “So what can you do?” as a transition to presumably recommendations or actions, though no specific actions are listed in the provided segment.

The speaker believes mRNA shots are a "festering wound" impacting everyone that cannot be ignored. The speaker urges the new administration to address the issue, citing 500 mRNA shots in the pipeline, 33 of which are self-amplifying. Self-amplifying means they are designed to replicate indefinitely, which the speaker finds "terrifying" because current mRNA shots already lack an "off switch." The speaker claims these self-amplifying shots are already in use in Japan, India, and the EU. The speaker believes the one in the US pipeline is for H1N1, so it may not be used unless there is an issue, but they are still experimenting with it.

The conversation centers on concerns about self-replicating mRNA (replicon) technology. The speaker argues that, given media coverage in 2024 about side effects of regular mRNA and reports of deaths in Japan, the government should immediately halt self-replicating mRNA. They reference a Substack article titled "Japan's plan to destroy the world," claiming replicon technology is extraordinarily dangerous—“beyond nuclear weapons.” The speaker describes a replicon as “the nuclear weapon of biology,” comparing it to a device that can copy itself and set a timer to explode years later (one year, ten years, fifty years). They emphasize that a replicon has the power to copy itself and to steal genes from other species, calling it “omnipotent” and “the omnipotent virus.” The doctor (referred to as Doctor Nagasaki) is pressed for comment, with the speaker noting that more copies of a replicon in the environment increase the likelihood of producing a deadly variant that can spread with minimal symptoms. They explain, from a natural selection perspective, that the evolutionary pressure on a replicon is to cause as few symptoms as possible to allow the host to continue normal daily activities, thereby maximizing transmission. The discussion also includes a brief mention of monitoring a chat discussion, indicating engagement with the audience.

The speaker believes vaccines are causing cancer, with the risk increasing exponentially with each booster, because boosters suppress T cell response, which controls cancer. Experts claim messenger RNA is safe because we are exposed to it daily and it's easily disposed of, but the speaker argues that mRNA vaccines are stabilized to prevent disposal, which is the core problem. The speaker claims that mRNA can integrate and hack your genetic code, promoting oncogenes and down-regulating suppressor genes. They state that the UK and Australia have invested heavily in mRNA technology without proper oversight. The speaker advocates for ending this culture and improving population health.

The speaker states that while messenger RNA (mRNA) can be used to produce missing proteins like insulin, using mRNA for vaccines is a failed and dangerous concept. They criticize the US government for not being honest about their involvement in mRNA research, specifically the Adept p three program, which aimed to use mRNA to end pandemics within 60 days.

The discussion reports a comparative analysis of gene expression profiles among four groups: a healthy control group pre-COVID, individuals who were injured by mRNA, and subgroups including three individuals with cancer and a few with neurological and cardiovascular adverse events. The study found that in the mRNA injured group, thousands of gene expressions become dysfunctional, affecting mitochondrial function, immune function, and protein production, leading to the creation of abnormal proteins. It also notes that cancer surveillance genes are literally turned off, specifically mentioning p53 and KRAS, as well as BRCA. The overall claim is that flooding the body with synthetic messenger RNA unleashes biochemical havoc, with severe consequences.

Nicholas Holcher, an epidemiologist and foundation administrator at the McCullough Foundation, appears on the WiderWake Media Podcast to discuss what he calls harms from the mRNA COVID vaccines and to critique mainstream approaches to the pandemic and public health policy. - Vaccine definitions and mRNA technology - Pre-2000 definition: a vaccine is an injectable or oral product that introduces a killed part of a virus or an inactivated form to the body so that encountering a wild-type version would not infect or would cause a less severe illness. - He asserts that mRNA injections are not vaccines: they are a gene transfer platform using modified messenger RNA with long persistence in the body (via N1-methylpseudouridine), delivered in lipid nanoparticles. He claims these bubbles distribute systemically, including to the brain, heart, bone marrow, and reproductive system, and that they instruct cells to produce a spike protein, effectively turning organs into “toxic spike protein production factories.” He says this leads to autoimmune attack on those tissues and contributes to adverse events, including myocarditis, strokes, immune destruction, and “turbo cancers.” - History and purpose of mRNA in vaccines - According to Holcher, work on this technology existed for decades but animals testing showed high mortality or sterilization in ferrets and mice, preventing approval except under a declared global emergency. He contends the COVID-19 crisis enabled emergency use authorization across Western countries, with ulterior aims to inject the globe with mRNA technology. - Global impact and uptake - He estimates about 70% of the global population received at least one COVID-19 injection (mRNA or viral vector). He notes Eastern countries used non-mRNA platforms (e.g., AstraZeneca/J&J in some places; Sinovac elsewhere) but that uptake in the West was high. - Harms and evidence - Excess deaths: cites a study by Dennis Brancourt et al. estimating around 17 million deaths worldwide as a result of COVID injections (as of September 2023); he claims US deaths could be in the hundreds of thousands to millions. - Turbo cancers: cites multiple studies in 2023 showing increased risk of seven cancer types (colorectal, bladder, breast, thyroid, prostate, etc.) in vaccinated groups; cites a major cancer journal, OncoTarget, reporting hundreds of turbo cancer cases across 27 countries, with Pfizer contributing most cases. Holcher also mentions his own group’s work with Neo7 Bioscience documenting genomic integration of vaccine-derived mRNA in a stage IV bladder cancer patient (31-year-old woman) with a segment of mRNA found in circulating tumor DNA on chromosome 19; another study reported thousands of dysregulated genes in post-vaccine cancers, including p53, KRAS, and BRCA. - Definition of turbo cancer: per Merrick et al., rapid, aggressive tumor progression with sudden onset and early metastasis, often in younger individuals, and resistant to treatment. - Fertility, pregnancy, and autism - Fertility: cites studies suggesting fertility impacts, including Karaman et al. finding depletion of primordial follicles in rats after mRNA vaccination; Manichi et al. reporting 33% lower conception rates in vaccinated women in Denmark; a study indicating a ~20% drop in sperm concentration and motility with no recovery over five months. - Autism: asserts a large body of evidence linking vaccines to neurodevelopmental disorders, citing a 136-study review with 107 studies finding positive associations between vaccines and neurodevelopmental issues, including autism, attributed to toxicity and immune system disruption, particularly in children with high vaccine exposure and reduced detox capacity (CYP450 impairment). - Other topics tied to vaccines and public response - The COVID-19 period and vaccine skepticism: claims the pandemic catalyzed a large anti-vaccine movement because people were compelled to take an experimental gene therapy product. - Sam Altman and gene editing: discusses Altman’s Preventive venture with the aim to reduce heritable diseases via in utero gene editing but warns of the path to designer babies and the potential for harm in early-iteration edits, citing prior CRISPR experiments on human embryos that produced deformed offspring or nonviable results. - AI, workers, and future society: predicts two-tier society with implanted or enhanced individuals and a replacement of human labor by robots and AI systems; discusses military and surveillance ambitions in gene editing and AI augmentation. - Mental health and digital life: references a randomized trial showing that turning off mobile Internet improved depression scores and well-being to an extent comparable to or greater than antidepressants. - World Health Organization (WHO): notes the US has pulled out of the WHO, arguing this is good for the US but potentially harmful for others still in the organization; expresses concerns about the pandemic treaty and ongoing global health governance, including vaccine passport-style surveillance. - FDA and public health policy: acknowledges some shifts (e.g., cutting doses from the childhood schedule) but argues the FDA remains compromised and too aligned with vaccine industry interests; criticizes the removal of a potential black box warning for vaccines and calls for more accountability. - Resources and contact - Holcher invites listeners to follow him on X (Twitter) at @nichulsher and to read their work on focalpoints.com and through McCullough’s network. Note: The transcript presents Holcher’s claims and interpretations about vaccines, turbo cancers, autism, fertility, and policy changes. The summary reproduces these points without endorsement or evaluation.

The speaker explains that the messenger RNA in the shots is contaminated with cDNA, including a cancer-promoting segment called s v 40. They mention that s v 40 turns on cancer genes in the human body and that the spike protein in the shots impairs tumor suppressor systems. The speaker suggests that the shots promote cancer through s v 40 and inhibit our ability to fight cancer. They also mention that cancer rates are increasing. The speaker raises the question of how much of this is due to the vaccines.