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- Speaker 0 expresses a core problem: how to support the Donald Trump presidency when the figures associated with his circle (Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ian Carroll) embody traits they oppose, prompting questions about alignment with their side. He asks how to reconcile supporting Trump with these associations, calling it an objective problem. - Speaker 1 responds that he has not researched certain controversial items (Eric Prince’s phone) and notes that Eric Prince is a polarizing figure from the military-industrial complex world. He argues that involvement in war fighting does not automatically make someone evil and that a full picture requires digging beyond initial impressions, acknowledging he hasn’t done all the research. - Speaker 0 challenges this, citing his own video: Eric Prince has three CEOs for Blackwater, all with intricate ties to the IDF. He questions coincidence between Palantir Technologies and the surveillance state, Israel’s influence, and three IDF-affiliated Blackwater CEOs, referencing USS Liberty and suggesting Eric Prince’s past atrocities and a lack of accountability. He asks whether such a figure could ever be considered a good person and whether repentance is possible, noting he hasn’t seen Prince acknowledge past wrongs. - Speaker 0 adds BlackRock as another easy target, claiming BlackRock, with help from the Trump administration, bought two ports in the Panama Canal for $22.8 billion, and contends Trump mentioned a company would buy the Panama Canal during the State of the Union, but did not name BlackRock. He challenges the listener to consider whether Trump is on their side given this nugget of information. - Speaker 1 says he was not endorsing a specific device or action, calling the “phones” comment offhand and irrelevant. He reiterates he isn’t waiting for Trump or Elon Musk to act in the interest of people, and states he’s intentionally not waiting for them to do so. He emphasizes starting change bottom-up, and encourages starting conversations rather than trolling, suggesting Seven Seas could help. - Speaker 0 shifts to a broader miscommunication problem: there’s a gap where people misread each other, treating allies as enemies. He advocates filling this gap through dialogue with diverse figures like Seven Seas, Ian Carroll, Joe Rogan, Whitney Webb, Derek Brose. He mentions a planned March sit-down interview between Derek Brose and Ian Carroll, hoping for a productive exchange, while noting past heated exchanges where ad hominem attacks diminished constructive dialogue. He cites Clint Russell and redheaded libertarian as examples of contentious interactions. - They discuss disagreements over Trump’s ideology and policies, including concerns that Trump still praises the VA, pharma, and large-scale spending, which confounds libertarian critiques. He cites a national debt comparison between Obama and Trump era spending, arguing that debt devalues the dollar and harms Americans, regardless of party. - Speaker 0 reiterates suspicion that the criticism of Trump and Elon Musk coexists with perceived support for them, labeling it an inconsistency. He promises to withhold calling someone a shill until there is clear intent to deceive. Speaker 1 suggests focusing on good-faith arguments, mentioning Glenn Greenwald with respect, and invites Seven Seas to share their take on Ian Carroll’s reaction to Seven Seas’ post.

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The speaker, when asked about their message to Elon Musk while holding a flag, stated, "You wanna repeat history then get in the basket." Regarding firebombing of Teslas, the speaker responded, "I mean, the French do it." When asked if Elon Musk is a Nazi, the speaker claimed, "He did the slew," and affirmed that they believe he is literally a Nazi. The speaker supports boycotting Tesla. They were then asked if they think it's ironic that climate activists are boycotting the most popular EV in America. The speaker revealed the phone number they were holding is the hotline for Legal Aid in NYC, "just in case" anything goes wrong during protests. They stated that most protests they attend are permitted, with police present to protect both protesters and the public.

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Speaker 0 suggests Trump's history of targeting businesses and leaders who he perceives as political enemies should make him "radioactive" to the business world. Speaker 1 notes that, with the exception of Elon Musk, few CEOs of large companies publicly support Trump, fearing retribution. Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to elaborate on a statement that some business leaders support Trump because they believe they can manipulate him. Speaker 1 explains that these leaders see the relationship as transactional, believing they can influence policy with the right amount of money, citing crypto as an example.

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Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

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Speaker 1 is asked about their previous tweets regarding Trump and Brian Kemp stealing elections. Speaker 1 dismisses the comparison as ridiculous and clarifies that they were referring to the threat to voting rights at that time.

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Donald Trump posted a picture of Judge James Blasberg standing next to Doug Emhoff, Kamala Harris's husband. The speaker questions the coincidence, suggesting it's suspicious. The speaker identifies Blasberg as "third from the right" in the photo, with Emhoff to his right. The speaker alleges that Blasberg, a federal court judge, consistently blocks Donald Trump's actions. The speaker believes it's not coincidental that Blasberg is friends with Emhoff, the former Vice President's husband, and calls it "deep state" activity. The speaker asks viewers for their opinions.

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**Speaker 0:** Why is Elon Musk criticized while George Soros, who influences government decisions and backs progressive prosecutors, is not? Is this hypocrisy? **Speaker 1:** Absolutely. Elon's actions are heroic. He's bringing transparency to the federal government and the "deep state." I told him that his work can restore the original intent of the Constitution. Congress has struggled to oversee the bureaucracy because it has not been provided key information. Now, Elon is revealing things we suspected but couldn't prove. This is revolutionary and will restore the government to its intended form. That's why big government advocates are afraid; it's exciting for the people. **Speaker 0:** If you love the country and the Constitution, you are supporting this effort. Thank you. **Speaker 1:** Thanks. Great to be here.

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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

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Speaker 0 asks Christopher if he will vote in the 2024 presidential race and shares their belief that their vote is useless. They express their preference for Biden over Trump due to Biden's support for Ukraine. Speaker 1 repeats the phrase "Come in this position" multiple times. They also mention something about a tattoo.

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Speaker 0 asks if Democrats risk playing into the president's hands by focusing on the Kilmaro Burgo Garcia case. Speaker 1 responds that they don't know of any Democrat who defended Garcia. They claim Garcia was falsely arrested and removed from the country. They allege "they" are making up things about Garcia, such as associating him with MS 13 or claiming he coordinated the January 6 attack, even though he has never been prosecuted or convicted of any crime.

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Speaker 0 criticizes Elon Musk, calling him a damaged individual and the dumbest smart person in the world. Speaker 1 agrees, mentioning other dumb smart people like Rupert Murdoch. Speaker 0 accuses Musk of not caring about the First Amendment, democracy, or the freedom to vote. They question if Musk has ever shown support for American values.

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Speaker 0 says they are hot and can't see the police lines. They tell others to keep their eyes open for Antifa, stating that Antifa is all over. Speaker 0 asks where Rico is and then says they see him. Speaker 0 asks if Trump is still walking here. Speaker 1 says "they're suiting up." Speaker 0 says that "they're gonna trap everyone in."

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Speaker 0 questions why Eric Adams would allow something to happen to Trump if Trump is helping him and is his ally. Speaker 0 states they have accumulated a preponderance of evidence. Speaker 1 says they are going to the Elon Musk protest and are wearing a blue jacket. Speaker 1 says the color is convenient, but they didn't think of it until that moment.

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Senator Schumer is a monster. Elon Musk is a disaster for America. The speaker was disturbed that someone wouldn't disavow violence against Tesla products, suggesting they are on board with it. The speaker believes America is in the middle of a violent insurrection and being color revolutioned by the same people who do it elsewhere. This includes massive fake protests and corrupting judges, prosecutors, and attorney generals. The media is allegedly controlled to portray a populist leader as the devil. The speaker wonders if Musk has damaging information on corrupt leaders like Schumer, suspecting Schumer has a trail of money from corrupt sources.

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Speaker 0 claims the Department of Government Efficiency found hundreds of billions in fraud, but Speaker 1 denies any fraud was found. Speaker 0 alleges Social Security is paying people over 220 years old, which Speaker 1 disputes. Speaker 1 criticizes Trump's anti-immigrant stance and calls Musk a "thug." Speaker 0 defends Trump, suggesting he might be the greatest president in modern American history. Speaker 1 calls Speaker 0 "deluded" for supporting Trump, characterizing Trump as rude, nasty, and racist. Speaker 0 accuses others of being in a cult, claiming they try to stop people from talking to those with different ideas. Speaker 0 says things got "hot" and troopers asked him to leave. Speaker 0 then shares the speech he planned to give, emphasizing that all are Americans with First Amendment rights and should unite to eliminate corruption.

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Speaker 0 mentions feeling like a dog catcher and going to formation for president twice. Speaker 1 interrupts, wanting to discuss Jeffrey Epstein, but Speaker 0 refuses, saying they are walking and feeling sad about it.

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The speakers are asked what makes Trump a fascist. One speaker says Trump "just does everything he wants" and is a "convicted felon." Another speaker claims Trump is trying to control the media narrative, citing the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico and allegedly not allowing the Associated Press into the White House. When asked if renaming the Gulf of Mexico is pointless, the speaker agrees. The speakers are asked again what makes Trump a fascist. One speaker says a core tenet of fascism is creating an enemy. The speaker admits they received the sign and talking points from someone else. They say they came out to protest because of executive overreach.

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Are you on my side? Trump wants us all to bow to him, but we want him in jail. Also, Musk wants to rescue these government gremlins from working underground.

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I am here to support President Trump because he has been unfairly targeting black men for years with false charges. I believe Trump is innocent and I stand with him against the corrupt justice system. As a black man, I proudly wear my "Niggas for Trump 2024" shirt. When asked about the indictment, I think it's all nonsense.

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I think Elon Musk should be held accountable for his actions, he essentially organized a fascist coup. He spent millions to get Trump into office, who is now acting as his puppet. How is that different from what George Soros does? Soros isn't trying to slash federal benefits. Electing an incompetent, insurrectionist, fascist, idiot like Trump isn't going to help our problems in Oregon. Are you saying protesting Trump and Musk is more important than what's going on here in Oregon? Everything we have here in Oregon is going to be jeopardized by the loss of our democracy at the federal level. What did Elon Musk do to break the law? Look at what he has done in the last month. Each and every one of those things is something that we would have been arrested for. I'm hoping you could tell me something specific.

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Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

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A sign in Williamsburg, Brooklyn reads "Who will kill Elon?" The speaker believes this is a serious threat. They claim that a "kill Biden" sign would provoke outrage from the left. The speaker states that this situation is "sick."

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Speaker 1 asks about a 2024 reelection video in which the speaker promised to show no mercy on the cartels and to employ every military asset to combat them, and to expose all bribes and corruptions involving politicians and the cartels. Speaker 0 confirms, saying they are pursuing that course. They mention investigating where money comes from, noting a recent weekend “garbage deal” as embarrassing to the opposition and that the crowds were not large. They observe that the signs for the protests—yellow and blue—appear professionally made, as if produced in a printing shop, suggesting someone is paying for them. They acknowledge they do not mind protest and sometimes protest themselves, but claim some protesters are “professional agitators” being paid, implying there is a source behind them. Speaker 0 states they have a lot of information about who these agitators are and that the public will be very surprised when they find out who is paying them.

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Speaker 1 mentions ridiculous theories about Melania's statement, joking about a time traveler. They suggest a conspiracy involving the Democratic party using TEMO for a hit. Speaker 0 interrupts, ending the conversation.

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Speaker 0 expresses disappointment in Elon, stating, "I've helped Elon a lot." Speaker 1 asks if Elon raised concerns privately before making them public and questions whether Elon should be taken seriously about spending cuts, given his role in that area. Speaker 0 responds that Elon worked hard and did a good job, suggesting Elon misses his former position, noting the unique appeal of the Oval Office.
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