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Do facts matter? Yes, they do. After the election, I found myself involved in a wave of investigations and affidavits regarding alleged irregularities. I had a relationship with President Trump and had been in the Oval Office several times. There was a palpable concern about the election's integrity, particularly regarding voting machines. Smartmatic's involvement was focused on key swing states, but I believe it was more significant than just one county in LA. Allegations were made about vote manipulation through software, but I can't accept that Smartmatic's role was minimal. Regarding Rudy Giuliani, I disagree with the claims against him; lawyers can make mistakes. Ultimately, there are many involved in this situation, and evidence will be presented in court.

The discussion centers on the integrity of the 2020 election processes and how Georgia’s handling of audits and recounts could shape reforms for 2026. Speaker 0 argues that ensuring elections represent the will of the people is fundamental, noting that Trump and his allies made a spectacle in 2020 by pursuing audits and recounts and even the Capitol insurrection, yet Georgia, among other states, would not have allowed Trump to win even without Georgia’s results. They claim Democrats and progressives avoided touching the issue in 2024 despite Trump’s unexpected nationwide sweep, and criticize the inability to conduct a proper recount. Speaker 1 warns that Trump’s team is likely to present ballots and photographs from 2020 to claim irregularities, arguing that there were thousands of irregularities in Fulton County, with miscounts and ballot manipulation possible, though there is no evidence that these irregularities would have changed the Georgia result. They contend that irregularities occurred both ways and tended to offset, but many records were destroyed and the recount and audit lacked quality. The speaker asserts that 2026 must avoid untrustworthy machines and inadequate audit/recount processes. The speakers discuss the possibility that Trump’s supporters will use information from the DOJ to misrepresent the facts, stating that even if facts were presented, they would expose known errors in the certified processes. They allege that ballots were counted multiple times during the recount, including counting some ballots two or three times and even introducing fake test ballots to force outcomes. Marilyn is cited as noting that a Barack Obama appointee judge confirmed the unreliability of Dominion machines, and that a demonstration at DEF CON Voting Village showed how easily a Dominion machine could be hacked. Jessica is referenced as discussing Phil Davis, a pro-Trump election integrity figure who admitted that Biden won Georgia despite his broader views. The point is to emphasize that, even among election integrity experts with conservative leanings, there is belief that Biden won Georgia. The conversation returns to Raffensperger, who selected the machines and the audit/recount method, spending approximately $150 million on machines and avoiding transparency about errors. The guests argue that the law required a hand count at tables with representatives from both campaigns and the clerk, instead of a machine-only recount. Bypassing this process enabled the perception of fraud and contributed to the January 6 insurrection’s fuel in Georgia. A key lesson for 2026, they assert, is to implement a transparent process with hand counts and representative participation at counting tables, preventing the bypass of proper procedures and reducing the political pressure that distorts outcomes. They critique the atmosphere surrounding the 2020 aftermath as vilifying and pressure-filled, predicting a similar environment in 2026 unless genuine transparency and nonpartisan verification are pursued.

They stopped counting votes on election night to determine how many mail-in ballots to add, which the speaker believes was fraudulent. The speaker insists it was a planned event, claiming it wouldn't happen in Texas. They express concern over the authenticity of mail-in ballots and assert that anyone could have filled them out. The other person questions the validity of these claims, but the speaker stands by their belief based on personal experience.

Do you believe votes were manipulated electronically in favor of Joe Biden? Yes, I do. I saw reports of votes switching from Trump to Biden—around 12,000 and 20,000 votes in two instances, with Trump's numbers decreasing exactly as Biden's increased. I suspected something was wrong, especially with claims of intelligence involvement. The Dominion Company, a Canadian firm, stored its records in Germany and Spain, raising concerns about foreign interference. It seems there may have been CIA involvement, as U.S. forces seized servers in Germany, which were linked to CIA operations. Now, those servers are with the FBI, which makes me uneasy, but at least they are in American hands.

The speaker claims to have won the 2020 election "by a lot." They suggest reviewing tapes and "truth to vote" which allegedly shows ballot box stuffing. They also mention "51 agents" and "FBI Twitter." The speaker alleges cheating in the election, citing "all of the stuff ballots" and the "51 intelligence agents." They claim recounts were not "real recounts." They state Wisconsin "practically admitted it was rigged" and that other states are doing the same. When told a case review found fewer than 475 cases of voter fraud in six battleground states, the speaker claims "they didn't look at the right things," alleging fake ballots. They maintain the election was "very rigged." The speaker believes they are "winning very well" in the upcoming election, citing a recent poll.

Speaker 1 is asked about their previous tweets regarding Trump and Brian Kemp stealing elections. Speaker 1 dismisses the comparison as ridiculous and clarifies that they were referring to the threat to voting rights at that time.

Speaker 0 claims 120,000 fake ballots were scanned in Delaware County, and observers were kept out of canvassing rooms. She alleges 47 USB sticks were "lost" and then found, containing the necessary votes. Delaware County was the last to provide its information to the state. Speaker 1 states Bill Barr said there was no voter fraud based on reports from US attorneys and testified similarly to the January 6th committee. Speaker 1 asks if Bill McSwain knew about the Delaware County information from Greg Stentrum and wanted to hold a press conference about it. Speaker 0 confirms Greg contacted McSwain on November 7th, and they sent a certified letter to McSwain, Josh Shapiro, and Jack Stohlzheimer demanding an investigation into Delaware County. Shapiro allegedly sent special agents to their homes on November 17, 2020, to investigate them, not election fraud.

The speaker discusses a discrepancy in the vote count between Biden and Trump, stating that the actual results showed Trump with a significant lead. They explain that the voting machine is designed to generate errors, which then go to adjudication where thousands of ballots can be bulk adjudicated with one click. A high rate of 68% of the ballots needed adjudication, compared to the federal allowable rate of 1 in 125,000. The program is intentionally designed to generate errors and move votes from one candidate to another. However, on November 4, all system files, adjudication files, and internet files were deleted, which is significant.

The speaker discusses an incident where there were errors in the vote count for Biden and Trump. They explain that the voting machine generated a high number of errors, which were then sent for adjudication. The rate of ballots needing adjudication was 68%, much higher than the federal allowable rate of 1 in 125,000. The speaker suggests that this program is designed to generate errors and manipulate votes. They also mention that on November 4th, all system files related to adjudication were deleted. This is seen as a significant issue.

The speaker claims to have personally witnessed a man inserting USB drives into voting machines on over 24 occasions, which they reported to a deputy sheriff and the clerk of elections. They were told that leaving USBs in voting machines is normal, but later learned this was not the case. The speaker alleges that 47 USB cards are now missing. They demanded that vote counts be updated live, and when they were, the count showed 50,000 votes, which they claim were for Vice President Biden. The speaker says they asked multiple law enforcement agencies to examine the computers for forensic evidence, but this was not done. The speaker further claims that chain of custody logs, records, and yellow sheets are gone, and that poll workers were invited to recreate the logs. They state there are 100,000 to 120,000 ballots in question and that there is no remedy for this regarding the presidential election. They do not believe anyone could certify the vote in good conscience.

The speaker believes votes were manipulated electronically in favor of Joe Biden, citing TV reports of votes switching from Trump to Biden. In one instance, 12,000 votes shifted, and in another, 20,000. Trump's numbers decreased by the exact amount that Biden's increased. The speaker believes the Dominion Company represents foreign interference because it is a Canadian company storing records in Germany and Spain. The speaker claims the CIA was involved, using servers in Germany for political operations. These servers were seized by US forces with German help and are now in the hands of the FBI. The speaker notes that in Europe, the CIA operates under the jurisdiction of the military.

Speaker 0: They reject the rule of law and the will of the people, refusing to accept the election results. Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, May 16, 2017, claimed our election was hijacked and there is no doubt about it. Speaker 2: Even if you run a great campaign, become the nominee, the election can still be stolen from you. Speaker 0: Trump did not truly win the 2016 election; he lost. Speaker 1: He knows he's an illegitimate president who didn't really win. How do we fight against him in 2020? He's illegitimate. Speaker 3: He's illegitimate, and my biggest fear is that he'll do it again with the help of his pal Vlad. We'll be stuck with him for 6 more terrifying years. Speaker 0: Would you be my vice presidential candidate? I agree. Speaker 1: Bush versus Gore, a court took away the presidency. Al Gore was the true winner. Speaker 4: I believe I won the last presidential election. They stole it. Speaker 0: Al Gore won that election, or at least I think he did. Speaker 5: Rolling Stone questioned if the 2004 election was stolen. Speaker 4: I witnessed troubling evidence that not every vote was counted in Illinois 4 years ago. Speaker 1: The November 2, 2004 election was not transparent or accurate. There are legitimate questions about our election system's accuracy. Despite the final tally, I have one affirmative statement to make.

Speaker 0 discusses a transcript of a call from President Trump trying to overturn the election. They play an audio clip where Trump mentions criminal events. Speaker 1 feels threatened by Trump's comments about overseas ballots. Speaker 2 thought Trump believed he won the race but had investigated all allegations.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 reminisce about questioning rigged carnival games as kids. Speaker 0 expresses distrust in computers, particularly voting machines, due to concerns about election integrity. Speaker 1 jokingly asks if this extends to other machines like sewing machines and ice machines. Speaker 0 clarifies that it specifically applies to voting machines, as they want fair elections. Speaker 1 humorously suggests melting down machines, but Speaker 0 insists on focusing on voting machines. Speaker 0 emphasizes the need for someone to examine the evidence regarding election fraud. Speaker 0 offers to provide evidence to Speaker 1 and mentions the financial cost of his crusade. The segment ends with Speaker 1 expressing support for Speaker 0.

Speaker 0 claims that there is widespread fraud in the mailing of ballots, suggesting that they are being sent to unknown recipients. They accuse the opposition of various fraudulent activities, including voting by deceased individuals and creating fake ballots solely for Biden. However, the DOJ states that some military ballots were discarded, with the majority being votes for Trump. Speaker 0 also mentions Biden's statement about having a large voter fraud organization, but there is no evidence to support these claims.

Speaker 0: Jim Jordan played a significant role in Trump's attempt to challenge the election results. Speaker 1: Trump requested a vote recount, which is not the same as overthrowing the government. However, some believe the media's continuous portrayal of this narrative is influenced by project Mockingbird. Regardless, everyone involved is part of it.

The discussion centers on the 2020 election, which Speaker 1 claims was rigged due to fake ballots and other factors, including the influence of 51 intelligence agents. Speaker 0 counters that recounts in swing states and over 50 lawsuits found no widespread corruption or voter fraud, citing a potential case of voter fraud in six battleground states that uncovered fewer than 475 cases. Speaker 1 asserts Wisconsin has practically admitted the election was rigged and other states are doing the same. Speaker 0 questions how Speaker 1 will appeal to independent suburban women voters. Speaker 1 references polls showing him leading, including with women. Speaker 0 notes polls can change. Speaker 1 states he would like to be less combative but feels the press's dishonesty necessitates it to get his message across and win.

Speaker 0 asks for reassurance that the upcoming election won't be rigged or stolen. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that having Democrats in charge of the voting machines in Ohio is helpful. However, they also acknowledge that both Republicans and Democrats have manipulated elections in the past. Speaker 1 explains that those in power tend to try to tilt things in their favor.

- Speaker 0 asserts that mail-in ballots are corrupt and that a Republican-led effort will end mail-in ballots, including drafting an executive order by “the best lawyers in the country.” They claim the U.S. is nearly the only country using mail-in ballots and cite “massive fraud all over the place,” arguing that secure, paper-ballot elections with watermarking would produce faster results (claims that paper ballots provide results the same night, whereas machines allegedly take two weeks). - The conversation references a specific election night anomaly: a block of 138,000 votes (Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 confirm “138,000” votes) all reportedly voting for Biden with no Trump votes in that segment, described as inexplicable and not consistent with expected linear reporting. They note the timing as around 04:30–06:30 in the morning and suggest the results should not be linear given numerous counters reporting across states. They also complain that Nevada stopped counting mid-day, calling it inexplicable and illogical. - Speaker 4 claims a counting software glitch caused a 6,000-vote swing in a county, where ballots counted for Democrats were miscalculated for Republicans; she states that 47 counties use the same software. - Speaker 5 demonstrates concerns about voting-machine security: he shows how a bad actor could gain full admin access in under two minutes by opening a device, removing the card reader, and bypassing error messages, implying easy manipulation of tabulation in 18 states using the machine. - Speaker 6 describes observed ballot processing irregularities: a ballot-stuffing environment where ballots are stamped and filled in rapidly at the top of tickets, with security oversight present but gaps noted in workflow. - Speaker 7 discusses absentee/mail-in ballots with suspicions about sequence numbers: numbers appeared almost sequential, suggesting they could not be from mailed-in ballots, as mailed ballots typically arrive at different numbers; they note there was no date on envelopes and that some details would not be in poll books or the system, alleging irregularities in how ballots were handled. - Speaker 8 reports ongoing theft of duplicate ballots: a table for duplicates existed, but ballots were copied and redistributed at various tables, with duplicates not fully processed and ballots stashed under boxes; the speaker claims this occurred throughout the night. - Speaker 9 recounts a local media denial of fraud at the TCF center, contrasted with video obtained later showing a van delivering ballots after hours; she describes escort cars, a back-and-forth of ballots, and suggests the presence of unobserved ballots and a lack of witnesses during tabulation. She notes that the video was shared publicly and led to the suspension of a social-media account. - Speaker 10 provides a timeline from October 21, detailing a driver delivering mail-in ballots from New York to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and then to Lancaster, with the driver faced hours of waiting, lack of slips, and unclear purpose for moving the load; the driver states that this was the only time he transported mail-in ballots and expresses a belief in the importance of honest elections for Americans.

They stopped counting votes on election night to determine the number of real votes and apply mail-in ballots. The speaker believes this would have happened in Texas and considers it fraud. When asked if it could have been a water leak, the speaker insists it was planned and would have occurred in Texas. They question if anyone has ever seen ballots not being counted for three hours while Trump was leading in states. The speaker asserts that anyone could have filled out the mail-in ballots and their origin cannot be determined. When challenged about it being a dangerous conspiracy theory, the speaker claims to have witnessed it happening.

The speaker is alarmed by events in the 2020 US presidential election, drawing parallels to the 2013 Venezuelan election where Smartmatic software allegedly changed votes. Vote counting abruptly stopped in five states using Dominion software while Donald Trump was ahead. During the night, vote reporting went offline, and when it resumed, there was a significant shift favoring Joe Biden. According to the speaker, votes in 27 or 28 states counted by Dominion are sent outside the US to Germany and Spain, where Smartmatic, a company founded in Venezuela in 2005 to fix elections, does the counting. Smartmatic has a history of election interference in Venezuela and Argentina, and allegedly botched an election in Chicago. The speaker claims Smartmatic stopped vote counting and subtly switched votes, around 10 per district, which was discovered in Antrim County.

Speaker 1 addresses the accusation of stolen elections by MAGA Republicans. Speaker 0 mentions a tweet and the claim that Brian Kemp stole an election. Speaker 1 acknowledges the question and dismisses the comparison as ridiculous. They clarify that they were referring to the threat to voting rights at that time.

All votes in The United States Of America are counted in The United States Of America. There is no evidence that any machine has been manipulated by a foreign power. Recounts are consistent with the initial count, confirming that the systems used in the twenty twenty election performed as expected. The American people should have 100% confidence in their vote. A lawyer representing the president claimed that Dominion voting machines ran an algorithm to take votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden. Votes in Georgia were cast on paper, counted by a machine, and recounted by hand, with consistent outcomes. If there was an algorithm flipping votes, it didn't work. The more likely explanation is that there was no algorithm and that security controls protected the systems from misbehavior.

Speaker 0 claims most people in the country voted for Trump and that he won the popular vote. Speaker 1 disputes this, stating it was a slim majority of voters and that too few people voted. Speaker 0 says those who cared about issues voted for Trump to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. Speaker 1 counters that lots of voters were purged from voter rolls before the election. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of election denial. Speaker 1 accuses the "narcissist in that building" of gaslighting.

Speaker 0 states that whatever a machine tabulates is what it tabulates, and their hand-marked ballot remains the same. Speaker 1 claims ballot images were changed, and that's reflected in the totals, referencing report number 3. Speaker 0 says they've read the reports. Speaker 1 asserts that Speaker 0 knows what they're saying is true. Speaker 1 says their life is on the line. Speaker 0 denies believing Speaker 1 and finds it insulting to have that put on the record. Speaker 1 apologizes, stating that wasn't their intent.