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Theo Von welcomes Jim Gaffigan, who shares upcoming tour dates in Colorado Springs, Boise, Spokane, Huntington, New York, and Tuscaloosa, and discusses his new dramatic film American Dreamers, which opens in November. They also run through another round of their March Madness State Wars bracket, a playful debate driven by fan submissions about which state would win in a lighthearted clash. They begin by recalling Jim’s early career, including meeting Greg Giraldo in New York when they wore suits in a fish restaurant, and they talk about how their families’ immigrant and educational backgrounds shaped their paths. They joke about generational sacrifice, class, and the contrast between Indiana and Louisiana, two places Jim and Theo know, noting groundedness and the bluntness of small-town life versus coastal media culture. Jim shares memories of burning leaves with friends, of a game called dark bandits, and of a body they once found on Lake Michigan, which his brother fled from, while Theo recalls growing up in the Calumet region and working in a steel mill and at a grocery store. They pivot to a discussion of state identity, government, and the idea that America might move toward stronger state sovereignty or a renewed sense of local allegiance. The bracket portion becomes a running debate about upsets and matchups: Michigan versus Iowa, Indiana versus Illinois, Utah versus New Mexico, and California versus Colorado-Montana, each fueled by fan voices that lean into regional stereotypes. They rail against cynicism and celebrate resilience, pointing to Detroit’s revival, Purdue and Indiana’s basketball heritage, and Illinois’ large population as influential factors. They consider New Jersey versus West Virginia, New York versus Massachusetts, and the Florida–Georgia rivalry, with votes swinging as listeners submit reasons ranging from guns and industry to climate and cuisine. They reflect on the entertainment business, the appeal of live fights, and the tension between creative risk and family responsibilities, including Jim’s film work and the push-pull between stand-up and acting. The conversation closes with gratitude for listeners, a plug for Skillshare sponsorship and a Ridge charger gift, and a sense that more collaborations and touring lie ahead. Jim explains how acting stretches him beyond stand-up, and Theo cites their mutual respect for authentic storytelling, noting that audiences respond to vulnerability and real-life detail. They acknowledge how a medical emergency in Jim’s family shaped priorities while fueling creativity.

From the jungle to the interview chair, Rinella threads a story of hunting as a lived practice rather than a cinematic hobby. He recalls real-life South American encounters with Mashi and Makushi hunters in Bolivia and Guyana, where a shotgun and improvised ammo built through leaf wrappers and candle wax can become a night’s tool. Under a fig tree they spot a red howler monkey and its infant; the shot lands, the meat is cured by smoking, boiling, and roasting, and the crew films some of it. The monkey meat proves tough, but the daily rhythm of these communities—hunting and fishing 250 days a year—illustrates that for them, survival, culture, and skill fuse into a way of life. He shifts to dog meat in Vietnam, recounting a Northern Tat holiday story that sparked fierce backlash after Outside Magazine published a feature on thit cho. He describes the moral churn—hot spices and guilt mingle as he tastes fare that is both part of a ritual economy and a source of controversy. The reaction was intense, including vitriolic emails, though Rinella says he was surprised by how little pushback compared with other issues. He argues that learning from indigenous hunters goes beyond taboos, and he highlights field skills he witnessed, such as how local trackers solve problems that non-natives cannot see. Rinella widens the lens to Africa, describing Tanzania’s wildlife management through large hunting concessions that generate revenue for the government and fund habitat preservation. A 2-million-acre game area hosts hunts with set quotas, and trophy fees flow back to Tanzania. He contrasts this with debates over public lands in the United States, where many Americans value open access and habitat protection. He notes that private and public approaches coexist, including Burning Man on BLM land and the public’s love of accessible spaces, while acknowledging the complexity of enforcement, poverty, and development pressures. He traces American hunting from Daniel Boone’s frontier era to Roosevelt’s conservation push, describing market hunting and the later curb through the Lacey Act and the Boon and Crockett Club. He explains how the wild meat economy shaped cities, beaver and buffalo trades, and the shift toward public ownership and regulation. He also reflects on balancing work with family life, emphasizing that when at home, he cooks and eats wild meat with his family, while mentoring his children in hunting and outdoor skills.

Justin Wren, known as the "Big Pygmy," is making a comeback to MMA, fighting for Bellator on August 28th, primarily to raise awareness for his cause, Fight for the Forgotten, which focuses on helping the pygmy community in the Congo. After a five-year hiatus from fighting, Wren emphasizes that his motivation is to give a voice to his family in the Congo, where 80-85% of the population lives on less than a dollar a day. He shares insights about the extreme poverty and lack of resources in the Congo, highlighting that malaria has historically killed half of all people who have ever died. Wren discusses the innovative methods used in the Congo for medical treatment, such as using army ants for sutures, and the challenges faced in providing clean water. His organization has successfully drilled 25 water wells, empowering locals to manage their own water supply and create jobs. He stresses the importance of teaching locals to be self-sufficient rather than relying on foreign aid, which often undermines their dignity. The conversation touches on the cultural differences between the Congo and the U.S., with Wren reflecting on the stark contrast in lifestyles. He recounts the struggles of the pygmies, who face discrimination and are often treated as less than human. Wren's commitment to the pygmies is evident as he shares stories of their hardships, including the loss of children to waterborne diseases and the oppressive conditions they endure. Wren's approach combines fighting and philanthropy, using his platform to raise awareness and funds for the pygmies. He plans to leverage his upcoming fight to reach a broader audience, hoping to inspire others to contribute to the cause. He emphasizes the need for sustainable solutions, such as agriculture and land ownership, to improve the lives of the pygmies. The discussion also highlights the environmental issues in the Congo, including illegal logging and deforestation, which threaten both the ecosystem and the pygmies' way of life. Wren's dedication to preserving their culture and environment is a central theme, as he aims to empower the pygmies to reclaim their land and resources. Overall, Wren's journey reflects a deep commitment to social justice, environmental sustainability, and the empowerment of marginalized communities, with a focus on creating lasting change through education and self-sufficiency.

Theo Von interviews Toby Savoy, a death investigator and coroner in Lafayette, Louisiana, about the day‑to‑day work, cases, and the culture surrounding death in a rural parish. Savoy explains that in Louisiana a coroner’s office functions as an elected medical‑legal authority, with death investigators like him handling most on‑scene work. Calls come from Sheriff’s offices, city police, hospitals, and nursing homes, and cases are categorized as natural, accidental, homicide, or suicide. Many natural deaths can be released over the phone without an on‑scene visit, but officers and detectives may accompany investigations in suspicious cases. When on scene, they carry a gear bag and collect toxicology samples, often drawing blood from the heart or accessing eye fluid (vitreous humor) via a horizontal needle to avoid clotting; if needed, they can sample liver tissue. They also examine the residence and surroundings to understand the decedent’s life and circumstances, not just the body. Savoy recounts cases from bayous with bodies floating in water, where decomposition and animal scavenging can obscure cause, to a single case where an elderly couple’s routine was misread as foul play and subsequent autopsy clarified the death. He stresses collaboration with law enforcement, noting that deputies and detectives bring historical context and informants, while coroner‑level medical knowledge helps interpret signs of trauma or medical death. He describes the practical reality of scene work, such as how sometimes soldiers or inexperienced responders have to be guided away from disturbing evidence, and how the body bag and chain of custody are critical to preserving evidence. He also shares vivid anecdotes: a body with arms removed found in a ditch, a foot recovered weeks later in a case, and mass‑death scenes involving boaters or wrecks where federal agencies cooperate. The discussion shifts to death by overdose, with Savoy noting fentanyl and crystal meth have driven a surge in ODs across all ages, and explaining how the opioid crisis stemmed in part from the now‑well‑documented Press Ganey pain‑control push in hospitals that encouraged aggressive analgesia and contributed to widespread prescription opioid addiction. He contrasts crack era deaths with fentanyl, explaining fentanyl’s potency and the growing problem of fentanyl laced with other drugs like xylazine (“tranq”). He discusses the role coroner’s offices play in evaluating drug involvement, toxicity, and multiple substances, and mentions the rise in polypharmacy and the prevalence of dual diagnoses requiring rehab or psychiatric care, which the system often fails to provide in a timely way. Savoy speaks candidly about the emotional toll: tragedies during holidays, the pain of losing young people to drugs or gun violence, and the personal responsibility he feels to try to help families despite the limitations of the system. Savoy covers the ordinary and the extreme: the constant threat to officers on scene, the logistics of autopsy and disease, the sometimes grisly realities of animal involvement in death, and the steady need for compassion, humor, and resilience. Savoy reflects on the human side—how the job shapes his faith, his coping through music, and his ongoing commitment to reduce preventable deaths by educating families and communities. He closes with a sense of Louisiana’s character: a place where death is common, but life and humor persist, and where every day is a gift.

In this episode, Rich Roll hosts Chris Hauth, Ryan "Birdman" Parrot, and Alex Bracey, who are preparing for an ambitious challenge called the 7x project. This endeavor involves skydiving, base jumping, running a full marathon, and swimming on all seven continents within seven days. The project aims to gather data on human performance and recovery from high-stress situations, particularly to assist veterans in coping with the traumas of their service. Ryan Parrot shares his motivation for the project, stemming from the tragic suicide of his sniper partner, David Metcalf. He emphasizes the need to address the silent epidemic of veteran suicides, which have outnumbered combat deaths since 9/11. The team aims to raise awareness and funds to help veterans through better self-care practices, focusing on nutrition, sleep, movement, and mindset. The logistics of the project are complex, involving a team of around 75-80 people, including veterans and support staff. They will travel on a specially chartered 757 aircraft, starting in Cape Town, South Africa, and moving to various locations including Antarctica, Australia, Dubai, Egypt, London, and Cartagena, before concluding in the United States. Each location presents unique challenges, such as extreme weather conditions and logistical hurdles. The team discusses the importance of proper training and recovery, with Chris Hauth serving as their coach. He highlights the need for individualized training plans to accommodate the varying fitness levels and experiences of the participants. The training includes simulations and endurance runs to prepare for the physical demands of the challenge. Throughout the conversation, the hosts reflect on the mental health challenges faced by veterans and first responders, emphasizing the importance of community and connection in overcoming these issues. They advocate for a shift in mindset around goal-setting, suggesting that individuals focus on nourishing their well-being rather than adhering to rigid performance metrics. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to support the project and its associated charities, which focus on veteran mental health and well-being. The team is committed to sharing their journey and findings through a documentary and a manual that will provide resources for veterans and others seeking to improve their health and resilience.

Sam Childers, known as the Machine Gun Preacher, transformed his life from a troubled past as a drug addict and criminal to a humanitarian dedicated to rescuing children in Africa. After a life-changing bar fight, he moved away from his former lifestyle and eventually found faith, leading him to embark on a mission trip to Africa. There, he witnessed the devastating impact of war on children, particularly in South Sudan, and committed to helping them. Childers founded Angels of East Africa, which operates orphanages in South Sudan, Uganda, and Ethiopia, providing shelter and care for children affected by conflict. He emphasizes the importance of financial sustainability in humanitarian work, noting that many nonprofits fail to allocate sufficient funds directly to their missions. His organization has evolved to not only provide orphanages but also teach skills and trades to empower young people, aiming to break the cycle of poverty and violence. Childers recounts harrowing experiences in conflict zones, including ambushes and encounters with warlords like Joseph Kony. He highlights the psychological trauma faced by children forced to commit atrocities and the need for long-term rehabilitation. His efforts include a farm in Uganda that produces food for thousands and a truck stop that provides jobs and training. Despite the challenges, Childers remains committed to his mission, believing that success comes from perseverance and faith. He encourages others to take action, emphasizing that waiting for the right conditions often leads to inaction. His story serves as a testament to the power of determination and the impact one individual can have on the lives of many.

Donnie Vincent discusses his newfound interest in float tanks, emphasizing their benefits for relaxation and mental clarity. He describes the experience of floating in total darkness and silence, which allows for deep contemplation and decision-making. Vincent reflects on his past frantic approach to outdoor activities, realizing that slowing down and appreciating the environment enhances the experience. He contrasts this with the portrayal of hunting in media, noting that many shows fail to capture the true essence of the experience. Vincent creates films that showcase the beauty of nature and the hunting experience, aiming to provide a more authentic representation than typical outdoor shows. He shares his journey in hunting, explaining that his motivations are rooted in adventure, connection to nature, and the ancestral practice of hunting. He acknowledges the complexities of discussing hunting ethics, particularly in relation to organizations like PETA, which he believes misrepresent hunters' relationships with animals. He recounts a profound encounter with killer whales while bear hunting, highlighting the intelligence and social structures of these animals. Vincent also discusses the ethical implications of hunting, emphasizing the importance of treating animals humanely and responsibly. He argues that hunters often contribute to wildlife conservation through funding and management efforts, countering misconceptions about hunting as purely destructive. Vincent shares his experiences with different species, including bears and mountain lions, emphasizing the importance of understanding animal behavior and ecology. He advocates for ethical hunting practices and the necessity of population management in certain areas. He reflects on the challenges of hunting in public lands, where increased access can lead to overpopulation and habitat degradation. He highlights the disconnect between urban populations and wildlife, suggesting that many people lack an understanding of where their food comes from. Vincent believes that engaging with nature through hunting can foster a deeper appreciation for wildlife and the environment. He encourages people to ask questions about their food sources and the ethical implications of their dietary choices. Vincent expresses a desire to educate others about hunting and wildlife management, advocating for a balanced approach that considers both conservation and ethical treatment of animals. He emphasizes the importance of personal experiences in nature, arguing that true engagement with wildlife can lead to greater awareness and appreciation of the natural world. He concludes by promoting his films as a means to inspire others to connect with nature and understand the complexities of hunting and conservation.

Robert Huffman runs Hazard Mill Farms, a second‑generation turkey operation that farms roughly 75,000 birds a year and ships product year‑round. Thanksgiving is busy, but he says "we pump turkeys 24/7" and the market share skews toward sustained production rather than a single holiday rush. A flock is housed in two barns; each lasts about 19 weeks as a full‑grown bird, with harvests cycling between groups and downtime for cleaning. Per flock revenue runs around "19,000, 20 to 22,000" dollars. Birds go to market averaging 40 to 45 pounds; feed is a corn/soybean mix (sometimes wheat), water kept at optimal pH, and a continuous feed line over 800 feet. Biosecurity is strict: suit up, dip pans, and prevent outside contamination. Welfare is emphasized; this is their livelihood and family business. On the processing side, turkeys are loaded into trucks, sent to processing facilities, and out within 24–48 hours. There are two on‑farm euthanasia options: a bolt gun or a CO2 setup, with carcasses composted for crop rotation. If he keeps a bird, it’s typically for family or friends; he notes the broad industry context, including major players like Butterball, and explains Hazard Mill Farms’ two divisions: antibiotic‑free and organic turkeys. Organic turkeys must come from organic females (closest source he cites is Pennsylvania via contract farms). Grass‑fed and antibiotic‑free have regulated, vet‑supervised differences; cage‑free is described as a misleading term, since birds are not kept in cages but housed in large barns with doors that may or may not be opened. Beyond turkeys, he emphasizes diversification: Hazmat Selects growing CBD hemp; Virginia has legalized marijuana, and he’s pursuing permits for cannabis and winery ambitions, plus an events barn, wine tastings, and agritourism. The family farm sits on the Shenandoah River with a conservation easement to prevent development; the Virginia poultry industry is a multi‑billion dollar business. He stresses saving small farms, community outreach (4‑H tours, hunting youth day), and entrepreneurship as a path to family continuity. He also shares that his wife is a former chef who runs a food truck, they have a daughter, and he runs Brazilian Jiu‑Jitsu gyms while supporting causes.

On This Past Weekend, the outdoorsman Forrest Galante walks Theo Von through a life stitched to wildlife. Born on the edge of Africa in Zimbabwe, he grew up on a family flower farm and safaris, watching habitats shrink as villages and farms crept closer. He recalls gunfights, neighbor killings, and a country in upheaval during Mugabe’s land reforms that finally pushed his family to leave. The early chaos seeded a lifelong mission: to protect wild spaces, wildlife, and the fragile links between them. Growing up, he wandered the bush with a naturalist’s instinct and a field scientist’s questions. He describes habitat encroachment as the quiet culprit behind thinning herds: villages cutting trees, fields replacing forests, and elephants slipping away from former ranges. In the late 1990s, Zimbabwe’s reform campaigns and political violence forced his family to relocate to the United States, where welfare and unfamiliar rules replaced the open skies of Africa. Yet the pull of wildlife never left him; he pursued biology and a life built around sea, savanna, and species in peril. His current work blends entertainment with urgent science. On Animals on Drugs, he explores bears, hippos, and other wildlife ingesting human substances, from cocaine hippos in Colombia to meth-tainted water sources in the U.S. He recounts the Colombia project with the Coronar group: chemically sterilizing hippos and relocating offspring to balance ecosystems, using bulas traps and Gonocon darts to sterilize juveniles, then surgically sterilizing adults by nighttime, a process sometimes lasting hours with a thirty-person team under hot, tense conditions. The aim is nonlethal control rather than eradication. Another throughline is Extinct or Alive, where discoveries on Fernandina Island reshaped the gamespace of conservation. The Fern tortoise, 114 years unseen, is the centerpiece of one season, alongside other species recovered from ‘lost to science’ status after two months of fieldwork. He describes Colossal Biosciences’ de-extinction efforts, including dire wolves, mammoth-related concepts, and the idea of restoring ecological balance by reintroducing species to their niches. He stresses collaboration with governments and communities to avoid privatizing genetics, while acknowledging hopeful possibilities for ecosystems and human culture alike.

Brad White, a detective and officer with twenty years on the Los Angeles Police Department, describes a career that began at twenty-one with a full uniform, shotgun, and pistol, and a rush of adrenaline rather than fear. He explains the early learning curve: “you walk up to something... you have no idea what you're walking up to,” and the expectation that you know what to do in any scenario. He recalls witnessing violence and death, including the first time he saw a person die after a chase, plus CPR at drownings and a child’s death, underscoring how rendering aid carries civil liability risk. He speaks frankly about mental health, insisting that “the number one killer cops is suicide” and noting the academy taught life-saving skills but not mental health. He reflects on the Rodney King era, the rise of social media, and public expectations, stressing that good officers exist across communities and that demonizing all cops is not accurate. White advocates a balance in gun policy, saying: “we need more guns in good people’s hands,” and he supports concealed carry, while acknowledging California’s tougher CCW process. He discusses how high-risk confrontations unfold, where a suspect resists and an officer must stop a threat, and he cautions against simplistic judgments about proportionality and risk. He argues for trained security in public spaces, including private stores, and he mentions the possibility of robots in extreme scenarios, clarifying that any plan would be highly constrained. He shares vivid drug stories from narcotics work: a naked man in a busy intersection on PCP, heroin balloons retrieved from a body, a keistered racquetball with drugs, and a Coke bottle with suction issues, plus the hazards of meth-fueled encounters and park sex scenes. He notes homelessness policy and the way reforms can complicate practical policing. He discusses homicide work: notifying families of deaths, the emotional toll, and why homicide rarely yields lasting satisfaction beyond justice; the need for mental-health support for officers. He closes with the idea that his path into policing began by chance while coaching a youth team, and that, despite the toll, he would choose the job again, hoping listeners gain a clearer sense of the reality behind the badge.

Frank Giles, a mortician in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, describes his role as a concierge for the dark arts, guiding families through the final frontier of death. The process begins with a phone call from hospice, hospital, nursing home, or county coroner; the caller provides name, location, next of kin, and basic details. Giles' crew arrives immediately, often at two o’clock in the morning, suited up, after an answering service relays the call, and they retrieve the body from the residence, hospital, or care facility. They always work with two people, because you never know what you’ll encounter, and they may need extra help with large individuals. They’ve moved bodies from attics, basements, bathrooms, bedrooms, sometimes lifting a person under 600 pounds, using sheets, body movers, and eventually a mortuary cot. Back at the funeral home, embalming begins if the family chooses it, sometimes at two in the morning, because next call could arrive any time. Giles' facility handles about 125 funerals per year at one site and about 120 at another. The business follows seasonal patterns: the first quarter is the busiest due to post‑holiday stress and the need to face losses after Christmas and Thanksgiving. In rural Christian County there is no local medical examiner; the coroner responds, and if there is no foul play and no autopsy needed, the body is released to the funeral home. In larger cities, autopsies are more common; Kentucky relies on a pathologist in Madisonville to cover the western part of the state, and autopsy decisions weigh medical history and family input. They discussed hypothetical killers choosing rural counties for fewer resources, but the conversation did not endorse any claim. After embalming, the body is preserved for viewing or cremation. If cremation is chosen, the body is placed in a chamber heated to around 1400 degrees; crematories have weight limits, sometimes 500–700 or up to a thousand pounds. A large patient once caused a grease fire in a crematory, and the operator learned a hard lesson. The cremains are ground to a powder, and the finish can vary in fineness depending on the facility. Arterial solutions for embalming include formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde with perfumes and conditioners. Chromatek pink is a common color used for cosmetic tinting; about two and a half gallons of solution are injected, while blood is flushed out through the veins. Pacemakers must be removed before cremation to prevent explosions. Between embalming and viewing, families may request changes: outfits, cosmetics, and casket choice. The famous 1985 FTC rule requires itemized charges for every service and product. Open or closed caskets are determined by family preference, and vaults may be required by cemeteries to support earth and prevent water ingress. Kentucky allows minimal dirt coverage if a vault is used; laws vary by state. They describe postmortem staining when blood settles in the face and can produce difficult concealment, and they warn jaundice can turn the body green if the wrong fluids are used. They explain wiring the mouth shut, using eye caps, and sometimes corking or plugging the body to control leakage. The interview covers open versus closed viewing and the importance of treating the deceased with dignity. Giles shares anecdotes about repatriating a World War II soldier from Bataan, airport arrivals, flag‑draped hearses, and a community response honoring veterans.

Doug Duren and Nathan Ihde join the podcast to discuss various topics related to farming, hunting, and the differences between organic and conventional meat. A recent study from Newcastle University reveals that organic meat and milk contain about 50% more beneficial omega-3 fatty acids than their conventional counterparts, challenging the skepticism surrounding grass-fed and organic products. Doug shares his experiences with cattle, emphasizing the importance of feeding cows their natural diet of grass rather than corn or soybeans, which can negatively impact their health and the quality of the meat. The conversation shifts to the evolution of farming practices, highlighting the shift from small family farms to large-scale factory farming, which Doug attributes to policies from the Nixon administration aimed at increasing agricultural efficiency. This transition has led to a decline in small farms and raised concerns about the environmental impact of large operations, including issues related to waste management and animal welfare. Doug discusses his current herd of Herefords and the differences between cattle breeds, explaining how certain breeds are more efficient in weight gain or milk production. The discussion touches on the economic pressures faced by farmers, with Doug recalling how milk prices have plummeted over the decades, making it difficult for family farms to survive. The podcast also addresses the disconnect urban dwellers have with food production, emphasizing the importance of knowing where food comes from and the reverence required in raising and processing animals for meat. Doug encourages listeners to connect with local farmers and understand the processes involved in meat production. The conversation further explores the ethical implications of hunting and farming, with Doug expressing frustration over factory farming practices and the lack of respect for animals in large operations. He contrasts this with his own practices, which focus on sustainable farming and animal welfare. As the discussion progresses, they delve into the complexities of wildlife management, including the challenges posed by overpopulation of deer and the necessity of hunting to maintain ecological balance. Doug shares anecdotes about hunting experiences and the camaraderie that comes with it, while also addressing the ethical considerations of hunting methods and the impact of human activity on wildlife. The podcast concludes with a reflection on the importance of sustainable practices in agriculture and hunting, advocating for a balanced approach to food production that respects both animals and the environment. Doug emphasizes the need for education and awareness in addressing the challenges of modern farming and wildlife management, encouraging listeners to engage in meaningful conversations about these issues.

Justin Wren discusses his experiences in the Congo, focusing on his humanitarian efforts to help the pygmy people. He shares his struggles with health issues, including malaria and parasites, which he contracted during his time in the jungle. Wren recounts a harrowing experience of being misdiagnosed multiple times before finally receiving treatment for malaria, revealing that up to 70% of his bloodstream was infected with parasites at one point. Wren emphasizes the harsh living conditions in the Congo, where diseases like malaria are rampant due to poor sanitation and lack of medical resources. He describes the brutal realities faced by the pygmies, including mob justice and accusations of witchcraft leading to violence against vulnerable individuals. He highlights the importance of providing clean water, stating that access to clean water can reduce illness by 85%. He shares his commitment to sustainable development, explaining how he collaborates with organizations like Water4 to empower local communities by teaching them to build water wells and manage resources. Wren expresses a desire to create opportunities rather than just providing charity, believing that empowerment is key to long-term change. Wren also discusses the cultural differences he encounters, including the pygmies' traditional practices and their initial fear of him as a white outsider. He shares anecdotes about their hunting techniques and the joy of introducing them to modern technology, such as cameras, which allows them to see themselves for the first time. Throughout the conversation, Wren reflects on his journey from being a UFC fighter to becoming a humanitarian advocate. He expresses a desire to return to fighting, using the platform to raise awareness and funds for his cause. He believes that by fighting again, he can bring attention to the struggles of the pygmies and continue to support their needs. Wren encourages listeners to donate to his nonprofit, Fight for the Forgotten, and emphasizes the importance of collective action in addressing the challenges faced by marginalized communities. He concludes by reaffirming his commitment to the pygmies and the belief that everyone deserves a voice and the opportunity to thrive.