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Speaker 0 delivers a heartfelt apology and clarification surrounding a controversial statement. He begins by admitting regret for saying that he “despise[d] Christian Zionists,” explaining that the remark came from anger and informing listeners that he does not actually despise Christian Zionists, whom he then describes as among the nicest and most trustworthy people in various respects. He emphasizes that his anger was aimed at a particular line of thinking, not at individuals who identify as Christian Zionists. He specifies the core issue that provoked his comments: on at least a couple of occasions, the Israeli government bombed churches in Gaza and killed Christians. He asserts that these bombings were not accidents and notes that Israel is a high-tech military force capable of precision, to the extent that he mentions they gave pagers with bombs to Hezbollah. He states that “they didn’t accidentally bomb two churches and kill these Christians, and they never apologized for it.” In discussing responses to this grievance, he says he raised the issue with a couple of Christian leaders, including the Speaker of the House, asking how their government could be paying to bomb churches and, by extension, paying for it. He recounts the consistent reaction he received: “the Bible commands us to support Israel.” He recounts a critical question: “And I said, so Jesus is telling us that we need to get on board with murdering Christians. Is that what you’re saying?” He characterizes the response as essentially silencing him, stating that they “basically were just like, shut up,” which he found deeply distressing as a Christian. He clarifies the main point he intended to convey: one cannot support the murder of innocents, regardless of the pretext, and such an act is not allowed in his religion. He asserts that there is no justification for murder of innocents in the New Testament, and that if there were, it would not represent his religion at all. He reiterates his distress and emphasizes that he does not hate and should not have used the term “despise,” clarifying that the statement was about a specific line of thinking, not about the individuals. He concludes with a sincere apology for not being clearer in his original expression.

I've lost a lot of friends. I've particularly in the Israel question, I've never talked about Israel. I'm not a hater of Israel. Netanyahu is really hurting The United States and the world. It's completely out of control. Over twenty years, twenty five years. And, so I've always had that view, but I've kept it to myself because it's not worth it. But we've been pushed so hard and used so much by him that it's just terrible for the country that I I grew up in. And so I've said something and, you know, you do that and people you really, like, had dinner with and really liked are all of a sudden denouncing you as a Nazi or whatever. I never wanted that and it makes me sad now.

It's strange that many Christian conservatives/nationalists are anti-Israel, given Israel's importance to both Jews and Christians, especially concerning Jesus's Jewish heritage and biblical history. Organized tours to Israel often have more Christians than Jews. All Jewish and Christian people should care about preserving Israel to preserve biblical history. Christian history is tied to Jewish history; Christianity wouldn't exist without Judaism. God's covenant with Abraham remains with Israel and the Jewish people. Israel fights America's battles by pushing back radical Islamic jihadism. Judeo-Christian values connect Christianity, the Jewish people, Israel, and the United States. The threat in America is real; if pro-Israel events aren't safe in Texas, nowhere in America is safe for Jews or Christians who support Israel.

To restore balance between the United States and Israel, the speaker says we must get our theology right. This is not a message aimed at Israelis or Jews; it targets Christians, the largest group of Israel supporters in the United States. He calls the belief that God favors some people by DNA 'the oldest of the Christian heresies' and says, 'The chosen people are people who choose Jesus.' He declares, 'That is not Christianity. It is heresy.' He warns that if America pulls the plug on Israel, god will pull the plug on us, and, 'God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu.' He argues that 'The Christian message is universal' and that, 'If you find anyone leveraging the message of Jesus to justify the killing of innocents, that person is committing heresy.'

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

If Bibi Netanyahu does something I don't like and I criticize it, am I a bad Christian? Absolutely not. What I find strange is that we can criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government. To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel. When Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. You never you never once said, hey. I'm I'm out on America. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm. If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. And those two those two things beautifully coexisted." "Exactly. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

As an Israeli Jew, I believe accusations of anti-Semitism are used as a tactic to deflect criticism of Israel. The strong ties between Israel and American Jewish groups lead to labeling critics as anti-Semitic. There is a reluctance to accept criticism, with a mindset of "Israel, right or wrong." Criticism of Israeli government actions is often dismissed as anti-Semitic, invoking the Holocaust and Jewish suffering to justify actions against Palestinians.

The speaker says a figure has annoyed the Jewish community over the last few months with criticisms of Israel. He cites a Jerusalem Post piece about backlash after Tucker Carlson spoke at SAS, where people were calling him an anti Semite. "I know Charlie and here he's little do they know half the time he's on college campuses, all he's doing is Hasbara and defending Israel. And he doesn't even wanna be. He doesn't even know the issues that well, but he's forced to." "But he dutifully with a smile on his face, defends Israel left and right." We saw him in England, at the debate, passionately defending Israel. And that's not even what he wants to be doing. Now he's getting criticized as an anti Semite. So I wrote that piece in the Jerusalem Post basically saying, listen, everybody. Stop with the purity tests for every single view that he has to line up with, I don't know, B. B. Cabinet decisions. "Relax. Okay? This is our greatest ally. Yes, he has questions. Yes, he's influenced by the other side as well." "Good. I'm talking to him."

Let me explain what's going on. The elitist Jews—the woke liberal elitist Jews, the ones like the border deputies who are pro open borders—don't represent all Jews. Netanyahu and his government are conserve conservative. They're not woke. They're not liberal. They're not open borders. They're conservatives. I've been invited by the conservative government. So you'll see the woke liberal Jews upset—the ones who want mass open border immigration and have created a hostile environment for ordinary Jews, the ones that don't represent most ordinary Jews. There's a big divide, as you’ve seen with the ADL. These so called voices of the Jewish community betray the Jewish community with their hugging up and cozying up to Islam and open border mass immigration; they're the reason all these problems are happening. They're upset because the real Zionist Jews, who are strong conservatives, invited me. And they're upset about it.

Speaker 0: "We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" Speaker 1: "That's not right. Wrong headed." He says he faced blowback after saying, "Mossad, possibilities with Epstein," a comment he stands by, and that he "reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." He writes, "He says, I think he would have told me. He didn't say he had any of those connections. I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "I think all these things should be explored." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." He finishes, "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "You never you never once said, hey, I'm I'm out on America. On America's right." "And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government."

Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all. "Bibi is despised by many people, in Israel." There are "huge divisions within the Israeli government," and "parts of the intel world in Israel that do not support some things Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently." "his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it for his own political ends, particularly because what he said was completely untrue." "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He loved the state of Israel, loved going there." He "did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times, and to people around him many times." "He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force." He was "appalled by what was happening in Gaza," and he "resented Netanyahu using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States."

"And that suits the Israelis just fine." "And if you're wondering why there's an awful lot of lunatic antisemitic comment about Israel online, you have to wonder how much of that is organic." "But how much of it is not organic at all?" "How much of that is being ginned up on purpose to make legitimate questions about the US government's relationship with the government of Israel seem like crackpot stuff, like hate, like David Duke level lunacy?" "Probably some because it serves their interest." "And so the true shame here, the actual villain in the story is the leadership of The United States that is putting up with serial humiliation for decades." "You'd think every country would act that way, and most do." "And for what reason? So if there's someone to be mad at, it's our leaders."

Speaker 0 expresses that "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away" and that he is accused of being an anti-Semite despite "I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath." He notes online backlash, "thousands of tweets and text messages," and that his "moral character is now being put into question" for supporting Israel. Speaker 1 agrees the treatment is unfair, saying "Dave Smith isn't allowed to criticize Israel" and that "the Israeli side was overrepresented." They discuss Americans first, resisting accusations, and the difficulty of criticizing the Israeli government online. They reference Epstein's controversial topic and say they hosted a debate giving "equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro Israel advocate." They observe a "hyperparanoid state" online and wonder if patterns resemble "nineteen thirties Germany."

I am tired of the word genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could. They have the capability to do that. They choose not to. Hamas, they would commit genocide in thirty seconds. They just can't. Israel is our friend. They're a democracy surrounded by people who would cut their throats if they could. A word of warning, if America pulls the plug on Israel, God will pull the plug on us. October 7 was an effort to destroy the state of Israel, the largest loss of Jewish life since the holocaust, and here we are almost two years later and Israel's the bad guy. That's ridiculous. Israel is not the bad guy. They're the good guy. The bad guys are the radical Islamists who would kill everybody in this room if they could. When it comes to foreign policy, president Trump has stood up for all the right things, and he stood up against wrong things just like Reagan.

I've lost a lot of friends. And I've particularly in the Israel question, I've never talked about Israel. I'm not a hater of Israel. Certainly not a hater of Jews. But Netanyahu is really hurting The United States and the world. It's completely out of control. I've thought that for a very long time, Over twenty years, twenty five years. I never wanted that and it makes me sad now. Friends who denounce you as Nazi for your honest opinion are not really friends. I've lost one real friend Right. In the past ten years. One actual friend, and I and I feel it's painful for me. And it wasn't about Israel, but we just diverged politically and he could not be friends with me.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "And those two things beautifully coexisted." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often." "Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

I want to address who pro-Zionists are and clarify some common misconceptions. Being pro-Israel isn't about being anti-Jewish, as Jesus himself was Jewish. However, the New Testament indicates that the nation of Israel is no longer God's chosen people; that title now belongs to the church. True Jews are those who follow the Lord's laws and ethics in their hearts, not just outwardly. In fact, those who reject Jesus are like the sons of Hagar, not of Sarah. There's neither Jew nor Gentile, but Christ, and Christ's kingdom doesn't favor any human government, and we shouldn't prioritize any nation over Christ. When we see children being killed, whether Israeli or Palestinian, it breaks Jesus' heart. We should be pro-Jesus and his kingdom and remember our brothers and sisters in Christ, even Palestinian Christians.

To get into government, one faces headwinds if they oppose the US-Israel relationship, in both appointed and elected positions. The Israel lobby has incredible power over government decisions. Questioning Israeli government policies leads to accusations of antisemitism, which is unique. There are legitimate concerns about antisemitism on college campuses.

I attended a TPUSA faith event expecting politics to be shaped by biblical principles, but the experience did not meet that expectation. The event opened with a speaker who immediately criticized Candace Owens, calling her evil and antisemitic, and stating that what she’s doing is evil. I wanted to leave, but security was intense—armed men were stationed all around the venue, and there was even an armed man on stage with a hand on his gun. The security presence made me uncomfortable. Inside, the speaker talked extensively about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, portraying them as evil and antisemitic. He argued that Christians should support Israel because Jesus was a Jew and Judaism underpins Christianity, while claiming that what Israel is doing is evil and corrupt. He suggested that refusing to support Israel would be anti-Semitic. I disagree with this framing, and it struck me as not aligning with what I expect from biblical politics. I also noted that the speaker referenced Charlie Kirk (though I recall it as Charlie Cook) and suggested that Kirk would not endorse the positions being discussed, referencing Kirk’s and Owens’ friendship and his past critiques of Israel. Throughout, the speaker’s preaching style resembled name-calling rather than traditional preaching. He labeled the political left as “idiots,” “freaks,” and “losers,” and spent much of the time denigrating liberals rather than offering constructive biblical guidance. This approach felt discordant with Christian teachings I associate with Jesus, who, as the speaker himself stated he loves, “ate with sinners,” including prostitutes. I felt the message was spreading hate rather than embodying the inclusive example I expect from Christian doctrine. A major concern was the impact on young attendees. Teenagers and young Christians appeared to be absorbing the message, treating this figure as a leader and a future guide for their faith, which raised alarms about further division within the Christian community. In summary, the event did not teach the biblical political perspectives I anticipated. The emphasis was on discrediting the left and on framing Israel in terms of Jewish loyalty, rather than engaging with broader Christian concerns. The speaker’s approach—name-calling of political opponents, calls for aggressive stances, and a heavy focus on left-wing critique—left me feeling that the session did not align with constructive faith-based political discussion. The speaker also touched on issues like men in women’s sports, but stated this was not the most important topic for Christians to discuss amid broader national concerns.

Entering a discussion about Israel often leads to accusations of racism or anti-Semitism if there's any disagreement. Free speech is a fundamental right, and no one should dictate what you can say or think. When questioning U.S. support for Israel, critics are quickly labeled as bigots, regardless of their background. This tactic is used to shut down debate and deflect criticism. Every American has the right to express their views openly, and that should be respected as part of the nation's values.

Christians should support the biblical Israel, not the current state of Israel. Criticizing those who claim to be Jews but are not is mentioned in the Bible. Questioning and criticizing should be allowed, as it is a red flag when certain groups or narratives cannot be questioned.

Speaker 0 describes the backlash: "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away." He adds: "I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it." He asserts identity and support: "Yes. I'm an American citizen." "Yes. I want Israel to win." "But my moral character is now being put into question." He emphasizes the impact of online discourse: "Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first, period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation." He cites: "And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. It might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody, but we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like just some rule. You can't go there when it comes to Israel." He concludes with: "I love Israel."

The speaker asserts that the Trump administration was “the best administration I’ve ever seen,” noting it’s ten years after the Trump movement and Brexit, and that their side is in power. They express willingness for a long political run, saying they’d be happy if JD Vance could be president for eight years and Marco Rubio for another eight, with continued involvement. They remark that after Trump, the drumbeat of opposition began quickly, accusing him of starting World War III or being controlled, and they stress that those in government have different responsibilities from those in opposition. They ask how JD Vance can win the next election if the group outside has spent four years tearing each other apart. The speaker then addresses being Jewish within the NatCon movement. They state they’ve never done this before and are not particularly comfortable with it. They reflect that it was easy and great to be a leader in the nationalist movement and Jewish until about a year and a half ago, because whenever left-leaning Jews or others accused their speakers of antisemitism, the speaker could defend them, arguing people hadn’t spoken to the person, hadn’t read full statements, and were taking a sentence out of context. They found it fun and rewarding to defend against what they viewed as false, ridiculous antisemitism accusations, and it made them popular. Now, they say, it’s not that easy anymore. They acknowledge that criticism of Israel is fine as a policy discussion, but they’ve been struck by the “depth of the slander of Jews as a people” online over the last year and a half, and say they didn’t expect this on the right. They observe a transition among some on the right—people they once admired and still admire in part—who now believe that praising the Muslim Brotherhood, Islam, and the Quran is appropriate, and that Jews are a big problem. They express hope this will pass and call for reconsidering the relationship between Jews and Christians, proposing a mutual discussion and honor if possible, rather than a vile stream of accusations about Jews’ actions toward Christians in the Middle Ages. Finally, they stress that the coalition was built by Donald Trump and is broad enough to win the next election and future ones. They warn that driving coalition members out, dishonoring them, or keeping them dishonored will lead to loss: it would destroy Vance’s prospects, Rubio’s prospects, and America’s prospects. The speaker presents a choice: preserve the coalition or risk undermining it.