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Every outlet is subjective, but all should be allowed. Google's search engine now prioritizes authoritative sources based on surveys, pushing away from diverse perspectives. This hierarchical approach limits access to alternative viewpoints, steering users towards mainstream sources like the New York Times over specialized sites like the world socialist website. This shift contradicts the ideal of freely exploring all information to form our own opinions.

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Wikipedians writing articles aren't focused on finding the truth, but on the best of what we can know right now. After seven years, the speaker believes this approach is valuable. For tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and convincing others of it might not be the best starting point. Our reverence for the truth may have become a distraction preventing consensus and progress.

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Every outlet is subjective, but they should all be allowed. Google's search engine now prioritizes authoritative sources over others, like showing mlb.com instead of a local Little League site. This approach limits access to diverse perspectives, favoring mainstream sources like the New York Times over specialized ones like the world socialist website. This hierarchical system goes against the idea of letting individuals make their own decisions by seeing all available information.

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People leaving universities with advanced degrees only trust peer-reviewed papers for science, ignoring observation and discussion. This narrow view stifles new scientific insights from emerging. Breakthroughs often come from outside the mainstream, not the center of the profession. Relying solely on peer review hinders progress and risks self-destruction due to ignorance.

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"There is a reliable sources group essentially that debates it." "There are PR firms, just for example, that do nothing but edit articles on Wikipedia in order to be able to insert desired factoids according to how people pay them, essentially." "It's called paid editing." "There are 833 administrators as they're called." "16 bureaucrats who can name the cops." "Only nine, fourteen point five percent are named." "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia on the editorial side are anonymous." "They can libel people with impunity as they do you." "There is no legal recourse because they are anonymous." "The Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity, which means it can't be sued in The United States."

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Larry Sanger explains Wikipedia’s origin with Jimmy Wales, stating "I coined the name Wikipedia" and that he drafted policies like "the neutrality policy" to "summarize knowledge fairly and without bias." He notes the project later aligned with center-left media, and the "neutral point of view" now "discourages giving equal validity to, minority view, fringe theory, or extraordinary claims." Conservatives were pushed out; "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia are anonymous" and "the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity." The "perennial sources page" blacklist blocks Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epic Times, Fox News, New York Post, The Federalist. Sanger’s nine theses: 1 end decision making by consensus; 2 enable competing articles; 3 abolish source blacklists; 4 revive the original neutrality policy; 5 repeal ignore all rules; 6 reveal who Wikipedia's leaders are; 7 let the public rate articles; 8 end indefinite blocking; 9 adopt a legislative process.

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Wikipedia, the web-based encyclopedia, was founded on the idea of crowd-sourced, user-generated content. However, concerns have been raised about political bias in its editing process. While Wikipedia claims to be open to anyone editing, there is evidence of left-leaning bias among its administrators. Reliable sources on the left are deemed acceptable, while conservative outlets are often rejected. Examples of bias include downplaying violence by the Antifa movement and minimizing the atrocities of socialism and communism. Attempts to correct these biases are quickly reverted. Despite its popularity, many are skeptical of the political neutrality of Wikipedia and have stopped donating to the platform.

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Wikipedia initially adopted a neutrality policy from Nootenia and made significant efforts to maintain it for its first five years. However, over the past 10 to 15 years, it has gradually shifted towards a leftist perspective, particularly in political articles. This change mirrors the broader trends in news media, which have increasingly moved to the left. As a result, Wikipedia has excluded many conservative news sources and blogs from its references. This evolution has been surprising, especially considering the noticeable shift towards a center-left viewpoint that was already evident by 2010.

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Wikipedia's model works well even in contentious areas like politics and religion because contributors focus on the best of what we can know, not necessarily "the truth." Seeking the truth and convincing others of it may not be the right approach for tricky disagreements. A reverence for the truth might distract from finding common ground. The speaker is not saying the truth doesn't exist or isn't important, but that different people have different truths. These truths often result from merging facts with beliefs, and are based on factors like background, upbringing, and how others perceive us.

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Wikipedia's model works well in contentious areas like politics and religion because contributors focus on the best of what we can know right now, not necessarily on "the truth." After working with Wikipedia contributors, the speaker believes that seeking the truth and convincing others of it might not be the right approach for tricky disagreements. Reverence for the truth may distract from finding common ground. The speaker is not saying the truth doesn't exist or isn't important, but that different people have different truths. Truth is often what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world. These differing truths are based on factors like background, upbringing, and how others perceive us.

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Free and open principles, originating from the open-source community, were initially seen as foundational. However, it's argued that this approach is limited in achieving broader goals. Despite good intentions, free and open models, particularly in Wikipedia, often replicate existing offline power structures. Wikipedia, it's claimed, reconstructed knowledge around the Western canon, leading to the exclusion of languages and communities. The emphasis on reliable sources and written tradition favors cultures with such traditions. Notability standards are said to reflect a Westernized construct, influencing whose voices are elevated. Therefore, radical openness allegedly failed to fulfill its intended potential.

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Wikipedia inherited its neutrality policy from Nupedia and initially made a strong effort to maintain it for about five years. However, over time, it has shifted towards what some perceive as leftist propaganda, particularly in political articles. This change aligns with the broader shift in news media over the past 10 to 15 years, which has seen a decline in conservative sources and an increase in left-leaning perspectives. The evolution of Wikipedia's content has mirrored this media landscape shift, leading to a noticeable center-left bias by around 2010.

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Speaker believes that China and the United States are competing at more than a peer level in AI. They argue China isn’t pursuing crazy AGI strategies, partly due to hardware limitations and partly because the depth of their capital markets doesn’t exist; they can’t raise funds to build massive data centers. As a result, China is very focused on taking AI and applying it to everything, and the concern is that while the US pursues AGI, everyone will be affected and we should also compete with the Chinese in day-to-day applications—consumer apps, robots, etc. The speaker notes the Shanghai robotics scene as evidence: Chinese robotics companies are attempting to replicate the success seen with electric vehicles, with incredible work ethic and solid funding, but without the same valuations seen in America. While they can’t raise capital at the same scale, they can win in these applied areas. A major geopolitical point is emphasized: the mismatch in openness between the two countries. The speaker’s background is in open source, defined as open code and weights and open training data. China is competing with open weights and open training data, whereas the US is largely focused on closed weights and closed data. This dynamic means a large portion of the world, akin to the Belt and Road Initiative, is likely to use Chinese models rather than American ones. The speaker expresses a preference for the West and democracies, arguing they should support the proliferation of large language models learned with Western values. They underline that the path China is taking—open weights and data—poses a significant strategic and competitive challenge, especially given the global tilt toward Chinese models if openness remains constrained in the US.

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When something becomes a common platform, it becomes open source. This applies to the internet's software infrastructure and has led to faster progress and increased safety. The rapid advancement of AI in the past decade is a result of open research and sharing of code. Open sourcing allows for collaboration and reuse, with common platforms like PyTorch benefiting the entire field. If open source is legislated out of existence due to fears, progress will be significantly slowed down.

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People leaving universities with advanced degrees only trust peer-reviewed papers, stifling new scientific insights. Breakthroughs often come from outside the mainstream, not the center of a profession. This narrow view of science is blocking progress and may lead to self-destruction.

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- Wikipedia's most powerful editors remain overwhelmingly anonymous despite wielding enormous influence over one of the world's most powerful media platforms. These leaders must be publicly identified for accountability and given liability insurance as, you know, as volunteers of nonprofits often are. - I don't think it's widely known that 85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia are anonymous. - Wikipedia should implement a public rating and feedback system allowing readers to evaluate articles. They can't do that now. They don't have a comment section. They don't have any sort of rating section. - End indefinite blocking. Wikipedia's practice of blocking accounts permanently is unjust and ideologically motivated. In a period of two weeks, 47% of the blocks that had been done by Wikipedia were indefinite. - Indefinite blocks should be extremely rare and require multiple administrators to agree, with an appeal process for permanent blocks.

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The speaker argues that a major shift from polarization to productive collaboration lies in how Wikipedians approach knowledge: they aren’t solely focused on finding an absolute truth, but on articulating “the best of what we can know right now.” After years of work, this approach is claimed to be yielding insights into our most difficult disagreements. The speaker suggests that for certain contentious issues, chasing truth and trying to persuade others of it may not be the most effective starting point for consensus or action. Acknowledging that truth matters, the speaker still emphasizes that truth can be a “fickle mistress” and its beauty often lies in the struggle. The human record of experience—our sublime chronicles—reflects many different truths to be explored. The speaker asserts that truth exists for everyone in the room and likely for the person next to them, but that the two do not necessarily share the same truth. This divergence arises because truth is formed when facts about the world are merged with our beliefs about the world. In summary, the speaker contends that individuals each hold a potentially valid truth shaped by their interpretations, and that recognizing multiple, personally constructed truths is essential to moving beyond simple factual disputes toward collaborative problem-solving.

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Wikipedia initially adopted a neutrality policy from Nootenia and maintained a genuine effort at neutrality for its first five years. However, over the past decade, it has shifted towards a leftist perspective, particularly in political articles. This change aligns with the broader leftward trend in mainstream news media, which has increasingly excluded conservative sources. As a result, Wikipedia's content has reflected this shift, moving away from a more balanced viewpoint. Even a decade ago, signs of this decline towards a center-left bias were evident.

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- Grokopedia is introduced as a new alternative to Wikipedia, built on Elon Musk’s xAI model designed for deep understanding and reasoning, not just regurgitating text. - The program suggests Wikipedia has shifted left over time. It recounts how, ten years ago, Wikipedia was praised as a dream and as a replacement for traditional encyclopedias, with Britannica’s editor deriding encyclopedias as requiring paid researchers, while Wikipedia grew to become the world’s go-to resource and Britannica stopped printing books. - The speakers claim that, although Wikipedia allows anyone to edit, politics on the site is dominated by leftists. They point to examples of editors who advertise socialist views and display images of Che Guevara and Lenin. - They state that Wikipedia’s bias is evident in who counts as reliable or not, asserting that conservative media are deemed unreliable while outlets like CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Slate, The Nation, and Mother Jones are considered reliable. They claim Fox News is treated as unreliable, while Al Jazeera is considered generally reliable. - The narrative asserts bias in topic coverage and notability decisions. They mention a controversy over an article about a Ukrainian refugee that was deleted on the grounds it might not meet notability, contrasting it with other crimes that remained in Wikipedia. They also note a case where a suspect’s name was blacked out because he hadn’t been convicted, but another case (Kyle Rittenhouse) was named despite his status as a minor and not convicted. - The discussion includes claims that public pressure can sway Wikipedia at times (e.g., Irina Zerutsko’s article staying after outcry), but overall “nothing changes.” They describe a group of editors they call the “gang of forty,” who allegedly push propaganda in the Israel-Palestine conflict by removing mentions of terror attacks by Hezbollah and Hamas, and they describe a page titled “Donald Trump and Fascism” created just before a presidential election as interfering with elections. - They argue that Wikipedia presents a single worldview on major topics, excluding other perspectives, citing Fidel Castro’s successor Raul Castro as lacking the term “authoritarian” on his page, while other leaders have such labels applied. They also discuss government censorship and state-controlled outlets influencing Wikipedia’s content, noting that Chinese government censors flood the site and that China runs state propaganda outlets cited tens of thousands of times. - The COVID-19 lab-leak theory is discussed, with the speakers claiming that while evidence later emerged suggesting a lab origin, Wikipedia still claims “no evidence supporting laboratory involvement,” calling it a conspiracy theory. - Grokopedia is presented as offering an alternative where Grok lists investigations that affirm a lab-leak as the most probable origin, and the speaker says Grok is better than Wikipedia on their own page, which they claim contains mistakes and smears on the Wikipedia platform. - They mention other competing projects like Justopedia, founded by a veteran Wikipedia editor who wanted an alternative due to perceived left-wing bias; Scienceopedia and Justopedia are described as gaining momentum to provide more source variety. - The discussion closes with perspectives on governance of Wikipedia’s editorial direction: Catherine Mayer, head of the Wikimedia Foundation, is portrayed as evolving Wikipedia toward a woke and DEI ideology, with Maurer described as shaping critical years starting in 2016 and steering the foundation toward a social justice mission. - The speakers conclude with a call for dedicated, area-specific editors to enter and influence topics, suggesting that a few dozen committed editors could make a difference, though acknowledging the time required.

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Why Is Wikipedia Broken? | Dr Larry Sanger | Modern Wisdom Podcast 118
Guests: Dr Larry Sanger
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Dr. Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, discusses the platform's flawed decision-making process regarding disputed topics, emphasizing the lack of a formalized consensus. He coined the term "ex-founder" to describe his distancing from Wikipedia due to its ideological shifts and the rise of problematic contributors. Sanger recounts the origins of Wikipedia, initially intended to be a trustworthy encyclopedia through rigorous editorial processes, which ultimately failed due to low article production. He highlights his subsequent projects, including Citizendium, which required contributors to use real names and adhere to neutrality principles, and Everipedia, a blockchain-based encyclopedia allowing articles on any topic. Sanger advocates for a new model, the "encyclosphere," where multiple articles on the same topic can coexist, allowing diverse perspectives and fostering competition for the best content. He argues that this decentralized approach could empower individuals to contribute without the constraints of Wikipedia's policies. Sanger also expresses concerns about the ideological biases in current platforms and the need for transparency and neutrality in knowledge-sharing systems. He envisions a collaborative environment that respects diverse viewpoints while maintaining a commitment to factual accuracy.

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Jimmy Wales: Wikipedia | Lex Fridman Podcast #385
Guests: Jimmy Wales
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In this conversation, Lex Fridman interviews Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia, discussing the origins, philosophy, and future of the platform. Wales emphasizes that Wikipedia has never bowed to government pressure and maintains a commitment to neutrality and community-driven content. He recounts the initial inspiration for Wikipedia, which stemmed from the success of the open-source software movement, leading to the realization that collaborative knowledge creation could extend beyond software to cultural works like encyclopedias. Wales describes the early challenges faced with Nupedia, which aimed for a rigorous academic approach but struggled to produce content. This frustration led to the creation of Wikipedia, where a more open model allowed for rapid contributions and collaboration. He highlights the excitement of early contributors who could easily add to entries, fostering a sense of community and engagement. The discussion touches on the evolution of Wikipedia's interface and the technical challenges faced in its early days, including issues with user identity and linking. Wales notes that the platform has grown to include advanced features like Wikidata, which allows for dynamic updates across multiple languages. Wales reflects on the philosophical question of what constitutes an encyclopedia, emphasizing that Wikipedia aims to summarize all human knowledge rather than provide exhaustive texts. He contrasts this with other cultural practices, such as the inclusion of recipes in French encyclopedias, which are less common in English. The conversation also addresses the impressive scale of Wikipedia, with millions of articles and billions of words, and the ongoing debate about notability and the inclusion of various topics. Wales acknowledges the challenges of maintaining neutrality and balancing diverse perspectives, especially on controversial subjects. Wales discusses the impact of social media and the importance of credible sources, expressing concern over misinformation and the challenges posed by platforms that prioritize engagement over accuracy. He emphasizes the need for Wikipedia to remain a trusted source of information, free from external pressures. The interview concludes with Wales sharing his vision for Wikipedia's future, highlighting the potential for AI and machine learning to enhance the platform's capabilities. He expresses optimism about the continued growth of Wikipedia, particularly in underrepresented languages, and the importance of fostering a diverse and inclusive community of contributors. Ultimately, Wales believes that Wikipedia's mission to provide free access to knowledge is more vital than ever in an increasingly complex information landscape.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: CIA Infiltration, Banning Conservatives, & How to Fix the Internet
Guests: Larry Sanger
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Controlling the narrative of the internet, Wikipedia looms as a modern steward of collective memory, and this interview with Larry Sanger traces how it came to shape what millions believe. Sanger explains that Jimmy Wales hired him to launch Nupedia, but a friend introduced Wikis, and the idea of open editing blossomed into Wikipedia. The project relaunched under wikipedia.com on January 15, 2001, and Sanger coined the name while shaping early policies, including a neutrality rule meant to summarize the consensus of reliable sources rather than publish original research. Over time, the neutrality framework evolved. NPOV requires representing all significant views from reliable sources, but critics note that it discourages minority or fringe views. Sanger describes how, in the early years, Wikipedia tried to be a neutral plane for diverse beliefs, yet from about 2012 onward the center-left establishment’s voice grew dominant as mainstream media itself shifted. Conservatives felt pushed out, and editors with ideological disagreements could be blocked or sidelined. The system also relies on paid editing, anonymity, and a 230 immunity shield that limits legal remedies for misconduct. Sanger enumerates the governance anatomy: 833 administrators, 16 bureaucrats, and 49 Czech users, with 15 members of an arbitration committee. He notes that 62 accounts wield key editorial power, yet only 14.5 percent are named, leaving 85 percent anonymous. He describes how the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section 230 immunity, limiting liability, while anonymous editors can libel people with impunity. He cites the perennial sources blacklist, listing Breitbart, Fox News, NY Post, and others as non-citable, and explains the influence of Google in the early era, where Wikipedia pages fed into Google’s rankings and created a feedback loop that boosted its prominence. To address these dynamics, Sanger outlines nine theses proposing structural reform: end decision by consensus, enable competing articles, abolish source blacklists, revive original neutrality, repeal ignore all rules, reveal Wikipedia’s leaders, let the public rate articles, end indefinite blocking, and adopt a legislative process with an editorial assembly. He argues for a return to a genuine, pluralistic big-tent encyclopedia, the possibility of multiple viewpoints, and accountability through identifiable leadership and institutional reform. He also urges organized reform efforts by conservatives, libertarians, and affected communities to push for a constitutional convention within Wikipedia.

Conversations with Tyler

Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives | Conversations with Tyler
Guests: Jimmy Wales
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In a conversation with Tyler Cowen, Jimmy Wales discusses the impact of contributions to Wikipedia, emphasizing that unique knowledge in obscure topics can yield significant returns. He notes that even stable articles like Shakespeare's "Hamlet" continue to evolve due to ongoing scholarship. Wales views Wikipedia as primarily an enlightenment project, advocating for a neutral and clear understanding of topics, contrasting it with the sensationalism of modern media. He identifies as a "mesopedian," valuing both knowledge and community processes. Wales highlights challenges in Wikipedia's bureaucratic nature, which can hinder new contributors. He acknowledges biases in articles, particularly in niche areas like Japanese anime, where enthusiasm can skew neutrality. Wales discusses the importance of Wikipedia's non-profit model, which avoids the pitfalls of ad-driven platforms that prioritize engagement over quality. He expresses optimism about Wikipedia's future, focusing on community health and the potential threats posed by technology shifts and legislative changes like Section 230. On the topic of paid editing, he distinguishes between acceptable contributions and those that advocate for specific interests. Wales critiques the right to be forgotten in Europe, arguing it undermines freedom of expression. He concludes by sharing his current projects, including WT.Social and a virtual Santa Claus initiative, reflecting his ongoing commitment to innovative social engagement.

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What Wikipedia Teaches Us About Balancing Truth and Beliefs | Katherine Maher | TED
Guests: Katherine Maher
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Katherine Maher, former CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation, discusses the rise in trust for Wikipedia amid a global crisis of disinformation and declining public trust in institutions. Wikipedia's model of volunteer editing and transparency fosters collaboration and deliberation, allowing it to adapt to changing perspectives. Maher emphasizes the importance of seeking "minimum viable truth" over absolute truth, which can lead to divisiveness. She highlights how productive friction in discussions can enhance understanding and trust. By prioritizing shared power, clear rules, and inclusivity, organizations can build trust and effectively address complex issues together.

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Katherine Maher on the future of trusted information
Guests: Katherine Maher
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Trust in the future of information hinges on how societies govern AI, privacy, and global tech competition. Maher reflects on her family influence, noting her mother CC Mar’s reinvention—from earning a master’s degree later in life to leading social service agencies and entering the Connecticut State Senate. She says collaboration would be possible, but it’s more often about following in her mother’s footsteps. She describes a recent meeting with Secretary of State Antony Blinken as part of the Secretary’s Advisory Board, focused on AI governance and geopolitics. The discussion highlighted a U.S.–China rivalry over regulatory primacy and model primacy, the importance of standards bodies, and the need for comprehensive data privacy regulation to clarify domestic policy and improve coherence in trade and foreign policy. On the question of neutrality and truth, Maher describes Wikipedia as aiming to present the best consensus about what is known or observable. She argues neutrality has a place but not necessarily the goal; fit-for-purpose. She emphasizes expanding who is in the room and recognizes bias in coverage due to gender, geography, and colonial perspectives. Wikipedia is open and editable, which allows correction of bias in real time, unlike many AI data sets. She notes AI relies on multilingual sources and that automated writing tools won’t replace human editors. Maher connects internet trust to governance, arguing the internet exposes fissures in institutions and calls for accountable, responsive governance. She supports spaces for constructive discourse, including citizen assemblies to deliberate on policy. She describes the challenge of scaling such processes and suggests replicable, policy-guided moderation within online spaces. She describes a hybrid model for Wikipedia, offering APIs to companies for a fee while content remains free, and stresses equitable access to data for AI training. She highlights the potential of education to empower globally: she notes the mobile revolution in public health, and argues that in the next 15 years many children could learn to code and use AI tools to create local solutions. She mentions a forthcoming book, What If We Get It Right, by Ayanna Johnson, and ends with a hopeful view that broader computer literacy could unlock opportunity worldwide.
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