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In this video, the speakers engage in a discussion covering a range of topics such as Israel, Palestine, the influence of the Jewish lobby in American politics, race, immigration, social media censorship, media bias, election fraud, and racial disparities. They express concerns about the actions of Israel and criticize the support it receives from conservatives. The speakers question mainstream narratives, highlight the importance of critical thinking, and advocate for mutual understanding and personal growth. It is important to note that the conversation contains offensive language and touches on controversial subjects. The main speaker, Nick Fuentes, denies being a white supremacist and emphasizes his belief in equality and respect for all races and backgrounds.

One speaker recounts that he did not like Bibi Netanyahu, describing Netanyahu as a destructive force and saying he was appalled by what was happening in Gaza, and that Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute wars for the benefit of his country, which he called shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States, a view he resented. He also notes that he didn’t hate Netanyahu. After that speech, there was a sharp backlash against Charlie Kirk and, to a lesser extent, the speaker, with Kirk having about $100 million in donors and being heavily dependent on them because his project was nonprofit. They went after him and tormented him, while a small, very intense group offended by the speech tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.

Speaker 1 questions the letter's truth; Speaker 2 confirms, "Yeah. I mean, it's it's real." They reference Nick Fuentes claiming Israel killed Charlie and mention "the call, like, Israel called him and told him to to to." Speaker 2 summarizes Charlie's Israel stance as nuanced: "he wanted people who controlled The Holy Land to be civilized people" and "didn't want it to be in the hands of Islam," preferring "a civilized group ... friendly to the West" over hostile Muslim nations. He was frustrated at being unable to criticize Israel without being labeled an anti Semitic, and had vehement disagreements about how the war was prosecuted and messaged; he wanted it to be over and saw more freedom to criticize America than Israel. "Even Tucker Carlson" noted Charlie Kirk's anti Semitic labeling; "BB's comments" were odd; he hosted critics like Dave Smith and recognized that "young people were much more Israeli skeptic," arguing that silencing debate would be a "huge disservice to the conservative movement."

Charlie mentioned Tucker and Candace forty eight hours earlier as they were trying to control who he's allowed to speak to. He was worried that Israel was infringing upon speech in America; "I have text messages to that effect." He was genuinely pro Israel; "there was nothing. there was not payment that was coming in." Toward the end, he was "over it towards the end because of Jewish behavior". Less than forty eight hours before he died, "Charlie announces that he has no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause because of Jewish donors and their behavior living up to these stereotypes." We never said "Israel killed Charlie Kirk." "I am uncomfortable with how many lies people that support Israel have been telling in the wake of his death."

The speaker addresses claims that Israel is involved in Charlie Kirk's death and reviews the FBI's official narrative that "it was Tyler Robinson, this 22 year old leftist with a transgender boyfriend." He discusses the circumstantial case that "Israel played some role" but admits "we don't really have the information we need" and "we can't trust the FBI." He notes "There have been some tall claims ... not fully substantiated by evidence" and points to Max Blumenthal as "the source of this idea," citing "the article with unnamed sources, anonymous sources that create this narrative that Charlie Kirk was on the verge of flipping on Israel and is effectively implying that the donors wanted him dead." He covers the Bill Ackman meeting, saying "Charlie Kirk walked away from this meeting ... feeling blackmailed, feeling afraid," yet adds "we now have receipts and testimony and names about that meeting" showing "Charlie Kirk organized the event and it was fine." "I don't trust Max Blumenthal... This guy's a left wing Jew." "And you know who's implicated in this killing? The left."

The video centers on Candace Owens and Turning Point USA, with the speaker claiming Owens 'puts the higher ups at Turning Point executives on blast' and challenges them to publicly release a statement about 'her explosive statement regarding Charlie Kirk's position on Israel.' It highlights this claim: 'About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi, that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright.' The speaker presses, 'Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself?' and notes Nick Fuentes saying, 'there was no signs Israel had no reason to want Charlie Kirk dead.' The rant attacks media figures as 'slop media' and declares 'trans slop trans shooter agenda' as 'trash,' concluding with claims that '24% of Americans' are pro Israel while '98% of our government is pro Israel,' and referencing 'Bukele Two Point O.'

The discussion centers on Nick Fuentes drawing large audiences and the perceived reluctance of Charlie Kirk to debate him. "A caller actually lied his way onto Charlie Kirk's show this last week and asked him why he won't debate Nick Fuentes." Charlie stated, "I personally do not give a platform to bad faith actors," "I don't platform trolls," and "I don't debate with people that are not good faith actors." The segment argues jealousy and donor influence, noting "They blame the Jews" and that "the opinion on Israel is colored by his donors." It highlights Fuentes's reach: "Nick Fuentes has just a few 100,000 followers on Rumble, not even on YouTube," with "in just twenty four hours, this Friday's episode was pushing 400,000 views. Last Friday's episode is getting close to a million." The piece concludes that "the mainstream avoidance of Nick Fuentes is a fear response."

This segment recounts escalating pressure on Charlie Kirk over Israel debates. A speaker says: "I'm an American citizen. Yes. I want Israel to win. Yes. I'm a Christian." Kirk says his "moral character is now being put into question" and "I am a bad person if I do this." The piece notes threats to pull funding and that he faced pressure about inviting people, asking "How could Charlie allow these debates about Israel to take place?" It describes a "duress situation" at the Hamptons, with Bill Ackman allegedly pressuring Kirk as Beebe Netanyahu offered "an intervention" and funding. "We just need you to come to Israel and we can make this better" and "We just need you to come to Auschwitz and take a picture." Kirk reportedly "denied that funding" and "Charlie said no to Bebe." Beebe's timing is claimed: "less than twenty four hours after Charlie Kirk was shot."

Nick Fuentes discusses being enemy number one to the government, citing being on the no-fly list and having bank accounts frozen. He says questioning the Israel lobby in 2017 led to backlash. He describes being blacklisted by conservatives and social media censorship, including being banned from platforms and banks due to "reputational risk." Fuentes says he was a libertarian neocon in his youth, consuming Breitbart and Prager University content. He gets his information from the New York Times, Axios, and Twitter, using background knowledge to discern truth from propaganda. He acknowledges biases but tries to be objective. He addresses accusations of antisemitism, attributing them to political correctness. He admits to "baiting" early in his career to break through censorship. Fuentes wants America to be more Christian, specifically Catholic, and more white and European. He questions when enough immigration is enough, citing assimilation concerns. He believes the 2016 and 2020 elections were referendums on America's identity. He says individual actions determine right and wrong, criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza. He claims the Israeli government's actions stem from not being Christian. Fuentes denies being a white supremacist but believes race is real. He says Jewish people are influential due to tribalism, not just IQ. He says they are allowed to work as a team in an open system. He questions their loyalty to America, citing loyalty to Israel. He says they had a long-term relationship with the US, but it is dubious how much they benefit the US. He says they are playing a very long game and have influence in many capitals. He says they are a country, we're a country, they have a distinct national interest, they're threatened by us, and we should be threatened by them. Fuentes says third-party journalists are not allowed in Israel, which is a red flag. He says if everything is what someone says it is, then why are certain third-party publications not allowed to go and report? He says it's hard to make the conclusion that something bad isn't happening or something wrong isn't happening with that being true. Fuentes says he got in contact with Ye after the DEFCON 3 tweet. He went to Mar-a-Lago with Ye, who asked Trump to be his VP. He says Trump lost his mind and said Ye could never win. He says Ye is a good man who loves everybody but is getting screwed over. He says he wants to move on, but they won't let him move forward unless he apologizes. Fuentes says he would consider being in politics, but they're gonna throw everything he's ever said in his face. He says he's not a hateful guy, but he makes jokes about black people, Polish people, Mexicans, you name it. He says he doesn't think there's any constituency. Fuentes says he hates working out because it hurts. He says the gym bro culture is so vain. He says people should work out, but some people take it a little too far. Fuentes says after the election, he got really viral, because he said, Your body, my choice. He says everybody posted his home address, his phone number, and so people started just coming to his house. He says a kid came to his house with a gun and a crossbow and killed his dogs. He says he thinks it had to do with that tweet. He says now he has security at his place. Fuentes says he's not a really social person. He reads a lot. He plays video games. He says he's a big gamer. He says he plays, like, map games, like Civilization V and Call of War. He says he's a big fan of Joseph Stalin. He says he wants to understand life. Fuentes says he's definitely a Big Mac guy. He says everything about UFOs comes from the DOD. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says there's no aliens. He says if there's aliens, we don't know about them. He says some people say aliens are demons. He says everything that we know about them or learn about them literally comes from the Department of Defense and the Pentagon, all these disclosures. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says he's not a Nordic, that's for sure. He says he's a gray. Fuentes says he's not a really social person. He reads a lot. He plays video games. He says he's a big gamer. He says he plays, like, map games, like Civilization V and Call of War. He says he's a big fan of Joseph Stalin. He says he wants to understand life. Fuentes says he's definitely a Big Mac guy. He says everything about UFOs comes from the DOD. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says there's no aliens. He says if there's aliens, we don't know about them. He says some people say aliens are demons. He says everything that we know about them or learn about them literally comes from the Department of Defense and the Pentagon, all these disclosures. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says he's not a Nordic, that's for sure. He says he's a gray. Fuentes says he had never heard from Nelk before, but he woke up at 2 PM, and his phone's blowing up. He says they said, Oh, Nelk wants you to come on the show. He says that's how he heard about it. He says they said, Yeah, we want your reaction to the to the interview. He says he washed his face, he got on, and he thinks they they were getting a lot of shit for that. He says they were getting a lot of blowback. He says they were looking for the other side to come on and kinda tell them, you know, that what they did was okay, or it wasn't that bad. He says that he was, like, the counterweight, which is kinda funny to think about. He says it's kinda funny that they bring on Netanyahu and they think, we need to hear from the other side. He says, Let's get Nick Fuentes, which is like prime minister of Israel, like livestreamer. He says that that's the two. Fuentes says he agrees with the host, and he said that to them. He says, Like, obviously, you're gonna take it. He says, Because as a content creator, it's like you say, it's gonna be a big interview. He says, But the thing is, when it comes to pushback, it's just doing your due diligence. He says, You're acting almost on behalf of the audience and saying, what would the audience say? He says, What would a skeptical mind say in this circumstance? He says, And he told them, the only way to make it right, or the way to make it fair, is you gotta interview the other side. He says, If your goal is we're gonna hear everybody out, gonna hear out Netanyahu, we're not gonna give a ton of pushback, okay. He says, But unless you interview the other side, then it's propaganda. He says, So you gotta interview the pro Palestine side, whatever. Fuentes says he doesn't wanna say it, but he heard that they got hooked up with somebody who's pro Palestine. He says that's fitting, because it's an Israel Palestine war. He says, But even an America first person, even someone like Tucker for that matter, who is up with a similar stature to Netanyahu in terms of notoriety. He says, Or you. He says, Or me. He says, But he doesn't wanna be a shameless self advocate. He says, They should talk to me. Fuentes says he didn't watch the whole interview. He says it was just clips.

Speaker labels Nick a fraud who doesn’t care about stopping Israel and suggests he recently got 'the call.' He asks whether Nick has ever urged a boycott, shown a BDS list, called to vote against Zionist politicians, funded Gaza aid, or organized his audience against Israel, and finds nothing. He claims Nick is 'a pressure valve for critics of Israel' rather than an organizer, noting Nick 'spews rhetoric' and clout-chases against pro-Israel conservatives. The speaker recalls Nick’s statement: 'The whole world is turned against Israel, and yet they're able to keep doing what they do. And the reason why is because they are more organized, more sullied than any other group.' He argues Nick has never organized his audience meaningfully, cites the Charlie Kirk shooting, and Nick’s dismissal of the 'Israel theory' as suspicious amid fan-talk connections with Ben Shapiro. He questions Nick’s motives, suggests he’s been co-opted, and plugs Substack with 'free Palestine.'

Speakers argue that people over 40 underestimate how many are listening to Nick Fuentes and waiting for a debate. A caller lied his way onto Charlie Kirk's show about debating Fuentes; Kirk says, "I personally do not give a platform to bad faith actors" and, "I don't platform trolls, and I don't debate with people that are not good faith actors." They claim the reason Kirk and Ben Shapiro won't debate Fuentes is because they know, "the only reason... they would lose dramatically." They point to Fuentes' reach: "Nick Fuentes has a few 100,000 followers on Rumble, not even on YouTube," and his episodes drew "pushing 400,000 views" in 24 hours and "close to a million" prior Friday. They call the avoidance "a fear response," say "they blame the Jews," and argue Fuentes offers "in good faith to debate you" and could make "one of the most viral moments" online.

Following the Douglas Murray debate on Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk privately texted the speaker on Sunday, April 13 at 08:01PM: "Listen to you on Rogan. You did well despite me being more on the pro Israel side. Very little I disagree with what you said. One point, when Douglas was going on about you using arguments from authority, it's a ridiculous claim. You were using original source quotes to prove their motives, all capital and motives, not their analysis of geopolitics, etcetera. Two totally different things. You were right on that point 100%. Keep up the good work. Hope to cross paths at some point soon." The speaker replied, "thanks, Charlie. I really appreciate that." Kirk later posted a public tweet about the murder of Israeli embassy staff: "They were two beautiful young people with their whole lives ahead of them, talks about how the murder senseless and evil and horrifying. It's a little bizarre to read that in the context of today." He added, "I must push back against one thing. All over X, I see claims that some people have, quote, blood on their hands." They discussed cooler heads and a potential in-person podcast: "we should do a podcast in person and have a fun, lighthearted, contrasting conversation on Israel. I bet we actually agree on most of it, truly." "I will not scold you for not being." "So he made a never being joke." "And then said, I'm gonna need that in writing. And then he said, screenshot it."

Speaker argues Charlie Kirk’s “financial stake in the future of the company” and leadership of the faith division would matter, noting that if Charlie “decided one day to become Catholic” it would have financial implications. He says, “I never had a conversation that that Charlie was in the process of converting,” but claims “Rob in particular knew for an absolute fact that Charlie was done with Israel bullying him.” He presents alleged proof via a group chat two days before Kirk’s assassination, with nine people including Charlie and Rob McCoy; seven names withheld. In the chat, Charlie writes: “just lost another huge Jewish donor. 2,000,000 a year because we won't cancel Tucker.” “I cannot and will not be bullied like this.” “Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.” A donor writes: “please do not invite Candace.” Forty eight hours before Charles was assassinated. He says Charlie “did not back down” in the Hamptons meeting or the text thread, and suggests donors may be driving the hosts, asking why Carlson and Kelly haven’t condemned them, calling it suspicious and alleging donors might be running them to “eulogize Charlie” who “never once flinched” from the Israeli cause.

One speaker believes people should be allowed to have differing views on immigration and debate the merits of the Israeli lobby's power. However, Pat Buchanan discredits this conversation because he gives the sense that he has another agenda related to personal dislike, conspiracies, and the belief that Jews are a sinister force trying to affect American politics. Another speaker questions if a certain individual exclusively targets people in the same group and makes Holocaust jokes. This speaker suggests this individual is like David Duke, who would endorse their shows. They believe David Duke is part of a campaign to discredit people on the right, and that Nick Fuentes is doing the same. They clarify that this doesn't mean everything he says is false, that he isn't talented, or that he's a bad person, but that he is clearly part of a campaign to discredit non-crazy right voices.

The host asks Nick Fuentes to clear up common misconceptions. The host asks if Fuentes hates all Jews. Fuentes answers no. The host asks if Fuentes is an anti-Semite or a noted anti-Semite. Fuentes answers no. The host asks if Fuentes believes white people are superior to all other races. Fuentes answers no. The host asks if Fuentes wants to eradicate all non-whites from the United States. Fuentes answers no. The host notes Barry Weiss may be watching. The host mentions a recurring claim that Fuentes is a Fed. The host asks Fuentes if he is a Fed. Fuentes answers no. The host references a claim by Julie Michaels that Fuentes had said that women either want or need to be raped and asks Fuentes to confirm whether he believes women should be raped as a matter of policy. Fuentes responds, “Yeah. You’re correct on that. Yes.” The host then addresses controversy about Fuentes’ view on Charlie Kirk and asks about a conspiracy theory that Fuentes blames Jews for everything, specifically whether Fuentes believes the Jews killed Charlie Kirk. Fuentes responds that he does not believe that; as it stands right now, he thinks it was Tyler Robinson. The host concludes that this topic has generated speculation and suggests many would lump Fuentes together with those conspiracies. The host then says they’ve cleared that up and notes that some listeners may be new to Fuentes’ story, asking Fuentes to share his background. Fuentes is then asked to tell “folks out here” his story, signaling a transition to a personal background recount.

I didn’t plan it this way, but I want to finish the main portion of the show today by taking one from Tucker’s book, as Tucker has shown impressive leadership. It is crucial that you do not start to become the very thing you are fighting against. It’s important that white people do not think white people are better than everyone else, because that would make you no better than the Israeli Jews you have a problem with for thinking they’re better than everyone else. Don’t repeat the cycles of history. We are all God’s people, created in His divine image, equal with equal rights, desires, dreams, families, and the ability to make our lives as best as we can. Built into that is the hard-to-apply idea that there is a pattern where a group affiliated with a foreign state conducts military covert operations and psyops on our brains every day, and a lot of them are Jews. If you start doing all Jews, you restart the cycle of history, and you don’t want to give Jews ammo for another cycle. If you’re someone who thinks it’s all Jews, you’re probably someone who thinks Jews have done all these horrible things with their power and money and influence. So don’t give them another reason to start over, because they’re clearly good at it. There’s no doubt the Crusades weren’t all Christians and the Inquisition wasn’t all Christians—there are exceptions to every rule. There are evil Muslims and there are good Muslims. There are fucked up Jews and there are good Jews. The one group with no exceptions is pedophiles; they can get fucked and fucked hard into the dirt, living or dead, it doesn’t matter to me. I hope I’m allowed to say that on YouTube. After all the owners of YouTube did visit that island, but whatever. People will clip what they clip. It’s 2025. Be nice to people. Genuinely. Treat people with respect. Judge people as individuals for their actions. It’s not that complicated. I find Christianity a pretty good way to do it; following Christ pretty much solves it all. If you’re averse to following Christ, that’s cool. These values are universal—anyone can do it. Even you, Ben Shapiro, could figure out how to do it too. You could consider that maybe the lives of Palestinians are not worth three quarters the life of a Jew. Call me old fashioned? Call me new. It’s probably why he doesn’t want to debate. It’s probably why Ben Shapiro doesn’t want to debate Nick Fuentes.

The speaker says there is a financial stake in the company tied to Charlie Kirk’s leadership of the faith division and notes concern if Charlie ever became Catholic, though conversion was not discussed. Rob McCoy allegedly knew Charlie was done with Israel bullying. He cites a group chat two days before Kirk’s assassination, with Charlie and Rob McCoy; he says he might release a name every day this week. In the chat, Charlie writes, "just lost another huge Jewish donor. 2,000,000 a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace." A second comment adds, "Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this. Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause." The speaker notes it was "forty eight hours before Charles was assassinated" and that Charlie was "very clear and he did not back down" in Hamptons meeting or thread. He questions why others haven’t vindicated these claims and suggests donor pressure may be shaping coverage toward eulogizing Charlie as never flinching in support of the Israeli cause.

Charlie Kirk faced mounting pressure about Israel debates. "I'm an American citizen. Yes. I want Israel to win. Yes. I'm a Christian." He says "the sum of the mess" and that "my moral character is now being put into question" while insisting "I love Israel. I want Israel to win." He recalls "thousands of tweets" and a pattern "similar to what my grandparents saw in nineteen thirties Germany online?" as well as threats to "pull out money" and "nasty text messages." The discussion centered on Tucker Carlson and why Charlie would allow voices like "Dave Smith, who by the way is Jewish" on stage. Beebe Netanyahu allegedly staged "an intervention" by "Bill Ackman" with "threats" after which Charlie "denied that funding" and was invited to Israel, an invitation Charlie "said no to Bebe." "Just take the last step, Charlie." Charlie was praying the rosary. Charlie was going to mass.

Over the past year and a half I became closer to Charlie Kirk, joining a group chat he called his 'brain trust.' We discussed Israel, Jewish–Christian relations, antisemitism. He was an adamant opponent of antisemitism. Campus talks exposed him to questions, including about the Talmud, and he provided 'very good answers'—'better answers than probably 98% of Jews probably could offer there.' We strategized to turn back the tide against rising antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment. Charlie said roughly half, 50% of the questions that he got asked were all on Israel, Jews. He organized a Zoom call the night before Utah Valley University event, the first stop of a tour, with me, Pesach Willicki, producers, and one Christian pastor. The fact that he was seeking our counsel... calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready to renounce his lifelong support for the Jewish people, for the state of Israel.

The speakers discuss Nick Fuentes, noting his talent for speaking and questioning his motives. They observe that Fuentes often targets sincere, non-hateful critics of neocon politics, such as J.D. Vance, Joe Kent, and Dave Smith. One speaker recounts Fuentes attacking him years ago by falsely claiming his father was in the CIA. The speakers speculate about Fuentes' funding and motivations, suggesting he may be part of a campaign to discredit credible right-wing voices. They compare him to David Duke, who would endorse figures to discredit them. They highlight Fuentes' involvement in efforts to undermine Joe Kent, a critic of neocon foreign policy. They suggest Fuentes' behavior may stem from insecurity or that he is intentionally deceiving people.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss contemporary conspiracy theories surrounding Charlie Kirk. They state they do not believe the theory that Jews killed Charlie Kirk and, as it stands right now, think it was Tyler Robinson. They both agree on this point regarding the alleged killer. Speaker 1 shifts to addressing Nick Fuentes, noting they weren’t going to come for him until he called Ian Carroll “retarded.” Ian Carroll allegedly appeared in a livestream pleading with Speaker 0 to join in on the conspiracy. Speaker 1 repeats the insult, saying, “If you think that I feel sorry for you because you are retarded.” They challenge the credibility of claims about a “furry trans lover” storyline, asserting that discord’s own statements say the furry trans motive screenshots didn’t come from their servers. The discussion moves to alleged forensic and investigative inconsistencies. They reference a father identifying his son from a grainy rooftop silhouette before police have real evidence, and claim that the FBI has four-k footage showing the shot but left that part out. They question the ballistic details: a .30-06 round, known for blowing through concrete blocks and obliterating bone, allegedly gets stopped by Charlie’s “Superman like neck.” They note the absence of visible ballistic mess or blood spatter and question how bulletproof the spine would be. They claim the rifle was “disassembled within seconds after taking the shot” yet was found “fully assembled in the woods.” They state that the shooter stuffs the rifle in his pants to jump off, which clashes with the rifle being recovered fully assembled. They express skepticism about the overall narrative, suggesting that Nick Fuentes may be paid off or had his career threatened over this issue, and conclude that whatever the truth is, it is “not a good look” for Nick Fuentes. In summary, the speakers reject the claim that Jews killed Charlie Kirk and attribute it to Tyler Robinson; they criticize Nick Fuentes for engaging with conspiratorial narratives, challenge the veracity of related forensic and anecdotal claims, highlight inconsistencies in timelines and weapon handling, and suggest possible financial or career motive implications, framing the situation as damaging for Nick Fuentes.

Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit. He wrote of his deep love for Israel. About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright. Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself? And then did he, just forty eight hours later, conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage reunion could happen?

Jonathan asks for commentary on Nick Fuentes, what countermeasures are effective, and what the government’s role should be in being critical of such a platform. The respondent explains that Nick Fuentes’ second name is Joseph, and that Fuentes is a Hispanic person described as an open, unapologetic racist, homophobe, and anti-Semite. He notes that Fuentes has been incredibly effective at spreading his message thanks to X and social media, which act as super spreaders of anti-Semitism and hate, making Fuentes like patient zero. He points out that it didn’t help when former President Trump had Fuentes over for dinner at Mar-a-Lago, and he criticizes those in power who don’t renounce Fuentes. JD Vance has done so, but the current right faces a challenge with elevated bad voices like Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens, while there are good voices on the right such as Ted Cruz, Ben Shapiro, and Mark Levin who push back on figures like Speaker Johnson and the revolting lunatics. To defeat rising anti-Semitism on the right, he believes it must come from the right; to defeat rising anti-Zionism on the left, it must come from people on the left. At AADL, the goal is to provide data and tools and to operate behind the scenes rather than publicly targeting Fuentes or Hassan Piker; the speaker even calls Hassan Piker “Hamas Piker” and notes his large platform on Twitch, Steam, YouTube, and Instagram. The speaker emphasizes working to get platforms to enforce terms of service to pull down the most offensive hate speech, or compel action from the platforms. However, he also stresses the need for people on the right to take down figures like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, and for people on the left to support similar efforts. The second speaker adds that in a sermon about the nuance of every human being, they did not mean Nick Fuentes.

The speaker condemns Ian Carroll for making videos that claim Israel is behind conspiracies about Red Lobster, Applebee's, and Burger King, and for a live stream asking, “Where are you Nick? … Why are you with them?” He asks where the evidence is and notes the tendency to attribute almost every event to Israel, stating, “the heuristic seems to be Israel is behind literally everything,” past and future, which he calls ridiculous. He points to a September 7 tweet where Carroll said Charlie Kirk is “working for the Jews that killed Jesus,” and contrasts it with Carroll’s certainty on September 11 that Israel killed him to silence him, questioning what changed in those four days and suggesting Carroll may have ESP or telepathy. He accuses Carroll of grifting, intellectual laziness, and dishonesty, and refuses to be pulled into blaming Israel for killing the number one Israel defender in America. The speaker asserts personal history and credibility, saying, “I’ve been over here. I was at Charlottesville” in 2017, and that in 2019 he led the Gruyper war against Charlie Kirk, labeling Kirk as an “Israel shill.” He claims that from Turning Point’s founding in 2012 to today, the organization has been “owned by Israel and served Israel.” He recounts a June text in which Charlie Kirk told Dinesh D’Souza, “Nick Fuentes is vermin,” and notes the ongoing fight against him for six years, including Kirk’s August statement calling him “anti Semitic garbage” and his refusal to debate. The speaker describes Charlie Kirk’s inner circle and media connections: Kirk’s right-hand man Andrew Colvin comes from Salem Media, a Christian Zionist outlet aligned with Israel, with Melissa Strait having connections to Salem and Prager University and IDF unit 12082. He notes Colvin led a “struggle session about Israel” after a Turning Point SAS conference in July. He claims that when Israel bombed Qatar in contravention of Trump’s foreign policy, Kirk invited Ben Shapiro to present Israel’s position, while Kirk acted as moderator, and on the day Kirk “was shot,” he prepared to defend Israel with his rabbi at Provo as he drafted a book on the Jewish Sabbath. The speaker emphasizes that the person accused of fighting Israel was “the guy that was murdered,” and expresses pity for those who would believe that. He asserts, “I’m right here where I’ve always been, following the facts, following the money, looking at the information,” claiming to be light years ahead of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and rejecting the idea that their ideology is about Netanyahu or Israel’s foreign policy, concluding, “No, sorry. Absolutely not. That’s totally ridiculous.”