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Michael Shellenberger discusses his candidacy for governor of California on the Joe Rogan podcast, emphasizing his focus on addressing homelessness, drug addiction, and crime. He critiques the current approach, particularly the concept of "housing first," which he argues has led to a worsening situation by allowing individuals to camp in public spaces without requiring them to seek treatment or rehabilitation. He highlights the need for a centralized psychiatric and addiction care system, which he calls Cal Psych, to provide effective support for those struggling with addiction and mental health issues. Shellenberger reveals that he has reported on the existence of supervised drug use sites in San Francisco, where individuals use drugs under supervision, and criticizes the progressive ideology that promotes "radical compassion" without addressing the harms of addiction. He believes that many homeless individuals are not just victims of circumstance but are often struggling with addiction and mental illness, and he advocates for a more structured approach to rehabilitation that includes accountability and support. He contrasts California's situation with that of other countries, such as the Netherlands, which have successfully managed their homeless populations through comprehensive care and support systems. Shellenberger argues that California has the resources to tackle its homelessness crisis effectively but has been mismanaging funds, leading to a counterproductive cycle of spending that does not yield positive outcomes. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of personal responsibility, the need for effective leadership, and the necessity of reforming the state's approach to social issues. He expresses optimism about his campaign and the potential for change, asserting that he can bring a fresh perspective to governance that prioritizes practical solutions over ideological dogma.

RFK Jr. discusses his 2024 presidential bid, emphasizing that he would run as a Democrat but could pursue other options if the party blocks a fair fight. He argues that corporate power dominates America, naming BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard as funders of the Democratic Party and as owners of much of the housing market, along with actions at the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset. He claims these forces seek to own most of the single family homes and to privatize wealth away from the middle class, describing this as privatized communism or socialism for the rich. He outlines concrete policy ideas to restore homeownership and economic mobility: a three percent mortgage for every American to buy a single family home, a tax code change to curb corporate purchase of homes, and Uncle Sam backing mortgage payments to keep families in their homes if they default. He also proposes directing funds to teachers and citing Jefferson on widespread freeholds as essential to democracy. He contrasts the current housing crisis—rising prices, higher interest rates, and the dominance of a few firms—with the promise of affordable ownership. On immigration and border policy, he proposes adjudicating asylum applications at the border with a thousand asylum judges, waiving passport fees for those who cannot afford them, and requiring a government-issued passport card or ID to work, thereby closing the border and eliminating illegal employment. He argues that most people crossing are seeking work and that tightening ID helps curb voting fraud concerns while expanding civil rights leaders’ support for ID. He reflects on the campaign process, alleging the DNC has favored Biden and rigged primaries, citing Bernie Sanders’ experience and past examples. He notes his independence, his record of suing federal agencies, and his effort to stay true to his values. He emphasizes personal integrity, sobriety, and a spiritual approach, recounting recovery meetings and the value of service to others. He acknowledges security threats around his campaign and recounts a near‑armed incident, explaining his team’s security measures and his desire for Secret Service protection as an election nears. He closes by stressing that if the country regains its sense of fairness, democracy, and opportunity, Americans can reclaim the American Dream.