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Speaker 0 expresses derogatory remarks about Palestine. Speaker 1 asks for Netanyahu's response to Palestinians, to which Speaker 0 suggests wiping out all Palestinians. Speaker 2 gestures actions towards Gaza, implying harm. Speaker 1 advocates for complete destruction of Palestinians, comparing it to a parking lot. Speaker 3 suggests erasing Gaza and killing those inside to free Israel. Speaker 0 insists on wiping out all Arabs. Speaker 1 believes the next war in Gaza should be the last.

Speaker 0 states, "I love Israel." Speaker 1 responds, "Do I look stupid? I'm not gonna say that." Speaker 1 questions why people are so "crazy" and says, "The Israeli people are so crazy." Speaker 0 asks, "You eat a dog?" and "You kill people? You babies? You keep f***ing woman. You born the hospital?" Speaker 0 asks, "Israel or Palestine?" Speaker 1 states, "Since Israel babies, people, children, and women, I choose Palestine. Of course." Speaker 1 concludes by saying, "You guys look crazy. Chill."

Speaker 1 asserts there is no genocide in Gaza and that Palestine is a name invented by the Roman Empire. Speaker 0 states this view isn't shared by the rest of the world. Speaker 1 says he is glad Speaker 0 speaks for the rest of the world. Speaker 1 questions why he should listen to the United Nations, calling it a "clown show" that should be pushed into the Hudson River. He accuses the UN of creating child prostitution rackets in Africa and asks what it has done to solve anything of late. Speaker 0 asks what Speaker 1 thinks of the UN. Speaker 1 questions Speaker 0's claim to represent the world's opinion.

Speaker 0 states that socialism, Islam, and Palestine are the three holy grail taboos in American politics. Speaker 1 responds enthusiastically. Speaker 0 asks why Palestine is a part of Speaker 1's politics. Speaker 1 answers that growing up in the third world gives a different understanding of the Palestinian struggle.

A Jew goes undercover at a free Palestine rally to understand their perspective. Some attendees blame Jews for the problem and want them to go to hell. The rally calls for a free Palestine, but the Jew wonders where the Jews would go. There is a discussion about the treatment of LGBTQ+ individuals in Gaza. The Jew questions why there is a basis for Israel to exist as a homeland when other groups don't have one. The Jew's family is from Afghanistan, a predominantly Muslim country, but they acknowledge they can't claim Israel.

A Jewish person expresses feeling unsafe around friends who display Israeli flags, emphasizing the need for change within the Jewish community. They reject the belief that Jewish people have a rightful claim over Palestinian land and criticize the Israeli government. Another speaker calls for Israeli leaders to return the land to the indigenous population. A third speaker denies being a self-hating Jew and opposes the oppression of Palestinians, highlighting the negative impact of cutting off essential resources. They differentiate between Jewish people and the state of Israel, labeling the latter as an oppressor.

Speaker 0 accuses Israelis of wanting Palestinians dead, claiming they say Palestinians aren't human and it's okay to burn them all, with the goal to destroy them and take over Palestine. Speaker 0 asserts they have seen evidence of this and demands Speaker 1 stop lying and deceiving. Speaker 0 states they have been to these places and will never be a paid killer or murder anyone to steal their land. Speaker 0 claims Speaker 1 is not a man for fighting children and random men with sticks and stones, not a military. Speaker 0 alleges that when Israel fights a military, they run and call the United States to solve their problem, calling them cowards. Speaker 0 says Speaker 1 is trying to act objective because their babies aren't dying and calls them a fool and a monster for not displaying a human reaction to murdering children.

Speaker 0 asks why the other person is spirit painting, stating that asking questions is their job. The other person questions if they support Palestine, to which Speaker 0 responds that they support free speech in the United States. Speaker 0 mentions living in Jordan for 6 months and believes America is our last hope. The conversation becomes heated, with Speaker 1 telling Speaker 0 to leave and mentioning Zion.

The speakers discuss the safety and well-being of Palestinians. Speaker 1 believes that Palestinians should be provided with shelter, food, and water, regardless of their location. Speaker 0 suggests that Palestinians could find a safe place outside of Gaza, but Speaker 1 argues that this is not the current reality. Simcha Rothman, a former Gaza settler, believes that Jews have the right to return.

The speaker questions why Western countries don't offer land in Germany for Israelis instead of Palestine. They suggest Israelis should occupy Hitler's Baghdad to understand the nature of those they are dealing with. The speaker claims Zionists are repeatedly slaughtered every few hundred years because Hitler knew how to deal with them. They allege Zionists created a program to establish Israel at the expense of Palestinian Muslim blood.

Speaker 1 states there is no genocide in Gaza and that Palestine is a name invented by the Roman Empire. Speaker 0 says this view is not shared by the rest of the world. Speaker 1 responds that they are glad Speaker 0 speaks for the rest of the world. Speaker 0 mentions the United Nations General Assembly. Speaker 1 says the United Nations sends people in blue helmets to rape little girls in Africa and that the United Nations could be pushed into the Hudson. Speaker 0 asks what Speaker 1 thinks of the UN. Speaker 1 questions Speaker 0's claim to represent the world's opinion.

Speaker 0 asserts that Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gavir are “literally talking about exterminating the entire population of Gaza.” Speaker 1 counters that they are not talking about extermination. Speaker 0 insists the statements are brazen, up front, and what they actually want to do. Speaker 0 adds that Hamas is involved in a separate context. Speaker 0 says, “The West Bank had nothing to do with what happened on October 7, but they're annexing that land anyway. They're raining terror on innocent people, innocent Palestinians.” Speaker 0 concedes, “I am willing to admit, because it's the truth, that what Hamas did on October 7 was a fucking atrocity,” specifically mentioning killing innocent people. Speaker 1 challenges acknowledgement of atrocities against civilians in Gaza. Speaker 0 asks about a hospital being tapped; Speaker 1 responds that it’s an old terrorist trick and they do it “all the time.” Speaker 0 asks whether the IDF's action was wrong. Speaker 1 concedes, “I'm sure they have committed what we would call war crimes, as every army does in every war.” Speaker 0 notes, “Including our own.” Speaker 1 agrees, giving the Civil War example: Sherman burned Atlanta and Vad, arguing that despite brutality, the North were the good guys fighting slavery, and also noting Israel is fighting to survive and is the front line in the Western world. Speaker 0 disputes this, saying much of the problems in the Middle East come from an expansionist policy and that if Israel wasn’t trying to continue expanding, they would not be dealing with the enemies they’re dealing with. Speaker 1 disagrees that they ever were expanding, arguing they “were attacked” and that they “never been trying to expand.” Speaker 0 claims Israel is trying to annex the West Bank, southern Lebanon, and Syria, and argues they have succeeded in doing so. Speaker 1 says these are lands where they were attacked from when Israel became a country in 1947; he claims Israel said, “we will accept half a loaf,” and asserts they had as much right to that land as anybody, with a historical presence since a thousand BC when King David had a lineage. Speaker 0 dismisses this lineage-based argument as irrelevant to the present. Speaker 1 counters that it’s relevant, and asserts that the notion of wiping out innocent people merely because one’s ancestors lived there centuries ago is not acceptable. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 calling Palestinians colonizers, and Speaker 1 arguing they are not colonizers; they assert that Israel is annexing land, which, in their view, is described as colonization.

For 5000 years, Jewish people faced persecution, mainly from white European Christians. Palestinians didn't contribute to atrocities like Auschwitz or turning away Jewish refugees. The real enemy is white Christian Europeans, not Palestinians. The question remains: why are 2 million Palestinians in an open-air prison?

Iran does not recognize Israel's right to exist. The speaker believes Palestinians have a right to return to their homelands and equal rights. They argue against the existence of Israel as a Jewish country, stating that separatist states do not work. The conversation also touches on the identification of countries as Christian or Muslim, contrasting them with the world's only Jewish country, which the speaker questions.

Speaker 0 defends Palestinians and criticizes Israelis, stating that the sun is not coming off and they should not be arrested. They argue that protecting Jews does not mean supporting Israeli actions, and that it is hateful to assume so. Speaker 1 expresses disapproval, but Speaker 0 urges them not to continue.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 where he is from, and Speaker 1 replies that he is from Israel and served in the IDF. Speaker 1 mentions not counting how many Palestinians he has encountered and talks about Gaza disappearing. Speaker 0 inquires if Speaker 1 has ever seen a Palestinian child, to which Speaker 1 responds that he has seen 5 and jokes about looking inexperienced.

The discussion revolves around the expulsion of Jews from Israel, with one person expressing indifference towards Israel and questioning where the Jews would go. They make a provocative remark about the fate of the Jews, which is met with a denial of advocating for violence. The conversation reflects a contentious viewpoint on the situation.

Speaker 0 argues that the Palestinian people are oppressed and suffer under the occupation. They acknowledge Hamas is an armed group, but they describe Hamas as a reaction to signals of injustice and oppression by Israel. They assert that you cannot talk about peace without justice for Palestine and express a desire to know how the other person addresses that claim. Speaker 1 responds by reframing the situation as a political conflict, stating that while there is ideology involved, the core is colonization. They describe a situation where “a fence” surrounds the people, drones fly above, and “everything is taken over there.” They insist that the people in question are not there voluntarily and describe the people breaking out of their camp as something that provokes anger, calling that a “very peculiar viewpoint.” They further claim that Hamas is largely supported and founded by Mossad, arguing that it was very handy to have Hamas to respond to reactions in the area. Speaker 0 asks for evidence to support that claim. Speaker 1 confirms that evidence exists and says they will post it on Twitter after the conversation. They add that the evidence can also be found from the Israeli government or authorities, describing it as a very specific source.

Speaker 0 states that settlers do not plan attacks in advance and do not wake up thinking about violence because their life is good. Speaker 1 claims Speaker 0 wants Palestinians to leave, but Speaker 0 denies this. Speaker 0 says what is on their mind is how to bring more people to settle the land and develop it. Speaker 0 claims to not think in terms of Beta because they think, "I'm a Jew, I'm a settler, I'm a human being." Speaker 1 suggests Speaker 0 is thinking tribally, prioritizing their own people to the exclusion of others, which Speaker 1 calls sociopathic. Speaker 0 disagrees, stating this is normal.

Speaker 0 opens with a provocative claim: “Fucked up the world is. That's a form of insanity.” The remark sets a mood of frustration and chaos. Speaker 1 then shares a personal moment: after coming home, they wrote a poem about Robbie which they intend to give him. They describe a reaction where someone took away Robbie’s property and Robbie began to blame it on the Jews, adding antisemitic rhetoric as a result. This accusation is presented as a reaction to a loss of property, with antisemitism framed as a consequence. Speaker 2 counters by specifying: “Not someone. The government. US government.” They elaborate that “the government and the Jews are one and the same,” asserting an equivalence between the government and Jewish people. Speaker 1 questions this claim, acknowledging it as “True true” and “Absolutely true. That’s never been—,” but the sentence trails as Speaker 2 presses the point: “Ask the Palestinians. The good Jews. Right? Why aren't the good Jews talking against the bad Jews? The so called good Jews out there.” Speaker 1 concedes that “There are. Very good people.” and “Wonderful people.” Yet Speaker 2 pushes back: “Why they talking” and then demands: “Why aren't the good Jews screaming against the bad Jews?” Speaker 1 suggests the reason is disagreement with the premise that there are “bad Jews,” implying that those who disagree are not such good Jews. Speaker 3 interjects with a stark comparison: “I equate the Jew and the devil together. To me, they're practically interchangeable. And I think the Catholic church did also. I think the entire concept of the devil is based on the Jews.” They reference the New Testament story where the devil shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and offers them if Jesus bows down and worships, implying this is symbolic of control and obedience for worldly wealth. Speaker 3 continues: “This is basically saying you can have all the money in the world. Do what you want. If you just do what I tell you to.” They interpret this as symbolic of the Jew. They claim: “This is symbolic of the Jew,” and even assert that “the devil is based on the Jew” and that “old pictures of the devil” resemble a Jew. Across the exchange, the conversation cycles between attributing political and financial power to Jewish groups, questioning the morality of “good Jews” versus “bad Jews,” and then offering a provocative theological claim linking the devil to Jews as a source of cunning or worldly power.

The speaker criticizes Israel for the treatment of Palestinians, comparing it to apartheid in South Africa. They argue that Israel is motivated by a desire to acquire Palestinian land and exclude Palestinians from their own property. They highlight the lack of awareness and debate on this issue in the United States. The second speaker agrees and wishes for more open discussion. They ask about the responsibility of both Israelis and Palestinians in the conflict. The first speaker blames the conflict on Israel's occupation of Palestinian land, which violates international resolutions and commitments. They acknowledge acts of violence by Palestinians but do not excuse them.

Speaker 0 argues that chanting “from the river to the sea” is in favor of a second holocaust. He suggests some students are ignorant and do not understand what they’re talking about, noting they talk about “end the occupation of Palestine” and needing a history lesson. He states that there has never been a Palestinian Arab state. Before World War I, the land experienced centuries under the Ottoman Empire and was not a Palestinian Arab state. Then came the British mandate for Palestine, followed by a UN partition plan that proposed a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the state and founded Israel, while the Arabs rejected the state and went to war to try to eradicate Israel, and they lost. He says they went to war again and lost in 1967 and 1973 and throughout the Intifadas. Consequently, he asserts that the land historically has “no stronger connection” than any group of people except the Jewish people, and that connection goes back thousands of years. He concludes with a call to “Read your bible.”

Speaker: The speaker begins by saying they used to be a Zionist and are a Holocaust survivor, noting that Zionism was very important for them as a salvation of the Jewish people until they discovered that the state was founded based on the extirpation, the explosion, and multiple massacres of the local population. They insist that this is not historically controversial. They urge taking a longer view to understand the present situation, and argue that the present occupation and the suppression of the Palestinians must not continue in order to move forward. They reference Sharon, mentioning a previous guest who spoke about fragile coexistence, and assert that there was no coexistence at all. The speaker describes oppression, periodic massacres, land occupation in the West Bank, and the continuous expulsion of the population from their homes. They recount visiting the occupied territories three times, including the first time during the first intifada when they cried every day for two weeks at what they witnessed. They state that this cannot go on. The speaker then references news about the algin marbles being returned and questions how the other person “changed your mind about that,” specifically regarding returning the land that’s been stolen from the Palestinians—clarifying they are not talking about the state of Israel, but about since 1967 and what is happening now. They insist that there must be some stop to what is happening, and frame this as being for the sake of both Israelis and Palestinians.

A speaker identifying themselves as Jewish with critical thinking skills questions where information comes from and asks to see sources. They reference opening the Torah and reading the story of how Jewish people ended up in Israel, then challenge the audience about Abraham’s origins and knowledge of his story. They state that Abraham comes from what is now present-day Iraq, and they question what the story with Abraham, the Jewish people, and God is. They assert that Jewish people are not indigenous to Israel and recount a version of the biblical narrative: God speaks to Abraham and offers a present of “free land” for the Jewish people, telling Abraham to take them to a land filled with milk and honey, and that Abraham leads the people there. They ask what happens when they get to Israel and note that there were already people there. They claim that God told Abraham to slaughter and expel those people from the land, identifying those people as the indigenous inhabitants. The speaker condemns what they describe as others on the app presenting this information as fact, expressing concern that Jewish people themselves may not know their own history or the history of their religion, culture, and land. They juxtapose this with broader historical tragedies, suggesting that if readers have wondered what they would have done during the Holocaust, civil rights movement, slavery, and Canada’s genocide of indigenous people, they should look at what people are doing in the present. They argue that worldwide tragedies and genocide continue because people are afraid to speak out due to social repercussions. Throughout, the speaker emphasizes the following core claims: - Abraham originated from a region corresponding to present-day Iraq, not Israel. - The narrative involves God presenting “free land” to the Jewish people and Abraham leading them to this land. - Upon arrival, the land already had indigenous inhabitants. - The divine instruction attributed to God to Abraham was to slaughter and expel those indigenous people. - Many individuals on the app propagate incorrect historical claims as fact, and some Jewish people may lack awareness of their own historical and religious background. - The speaker connects current fear of speaking out to historical and ongoing acts of mass violence and genocide, urging people to speak out rather than stay silent. The speaker ends by linking contemporary social fear to historical injustices, calling for greater courage to speak out.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the basis for Jewish connection to the land and who has a legitimate claim to it. Speaker 0 begins by stating that there are about 16,000,000 Jews in total worldwide, with 8,000,000 living in the area being discussed, and the remainder living mainly in New York, South Florida, and a few other places. He notes that this is a small population with historical and biblical connections to the land, and asks if such a connection exists. Speaker 1 responds that Bibi’s family lived in Eastern Europe and that there is no evidence they ever lived in the land, and that he isn’t religious. He questions whether there is a true ancestral link. Speaker 0 asks whether there is evidence of any genuine ancestral connection. Speaker 1 asks if there is a family tree for Bibi, and if not, whether anyone has one. Speaker 0 asks how they know, and Speaker 1 elaborates that the point is to establish an ancestral connection to the land. He notes that there has been a practice of Judaism and a connection to the language, suggesting that Bibi has fought for the land, and that his family has fought for it. He raises an obvious, meaningful question: where does this right come from? He explains that many people in the territory Israel controls, particularly in the West Bank, have genetic evidence of having been there for thousands of years, with many identified as Christians for two thousand years, and even if some did not practice Judaism or were Samaritan or pre-Islam, the question remains: how do they compare in terms of rights to someone whose ancestors lived in Latvia or Poland and were Jewish? He questions the basis of being “Jewish” by faith, language, or Torah. Speaker 0 challenges the question, asking how we know if Bibi’s ancestors ever lived there, and expresses confusion about what Speaker 1 is trying to determine. Speaker 1 emphasizes that a claim of rights based on ancestral presence is significant because many claims hinge on whether ancestors lived there, whether money flowed, and whether displacement occurred. He reiterates that it is not a theoretical issue like a grandparent’s distant past, but a real question of who has the right to be there. Speaker 0 remains unable to fully process Speaker 1’s point.