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The deep state's open support for Al Qaeda and the Islamic State (ISIS) is shocking, especially given their role in the Syrian conflict. Despite claiming to oppose Al Qaeda, the U.S. has provided support to groups aligned with them in Syria, raising questions about the rationale behind such actions. There are concerns about backing the wrong factions, with evidence suggesting that U.S. weapons may have ended up with ISIS. Former officials have indicated that the Obama administration ignored warnings about ISIS's rise, and even John Kerry acknowledged the situation's escalation. Historical parallels are drawn to past U.S. support for Mujahideen in Afghanistan, highlighting the long-term consequences of such interventions. The narrative emphasizes the complexity and contradictions in U.S. foreign policy regarding jihadist groups.

Ericsson, a foreign telecommunications company, has been involved in various controversial activities. They sponsored and bribed ISIS for over 17 years, leading to the deaths of American soldiers. Ericsson also controls the flow of information and data, including financial transactions and classified information, through their ownership of the portability cables. The company operates outside of US jurisdiction and has no oversight. The transfer of contracts from Neustar to Ericsson was overseen by Timothy Geithner and Hillary Clinton during the Obama administration. The Swedish British Crown took over the contract in 2013, making it difficult to hold Ericsson accountable. The Trump administration was unable to stop this due to ongoing investigations and the non-governmental nature of the contract.

The US initiated the war in Syria through the CIA Special Activity Center, seizing a significant part of the country illegally. John Kerry mentioned a Plan B involving the American seizure of northern Syria, a vital breadbasket for the Syrian people.

Benghazi was a logistics hub for arming anti-Assad terrorists. Russia exposed this operation by attacking the CIA center, putting a stop to it. The Western media didn't report on it. The efforts to overthrow Assad continue, but now weapons are primarily coming from Croatia. This poses a threat to Russia, so they are waging war against America by targeting our weak economy, specifically the oil-backed dollar.

The discussion centers on CNN’s report that the CIA is establishing a foothold in Venezuela, with the claim that the CIA has, for decades, enabled the Venezuelan drug trade. The speakers argue that the attack on Venezuela cannot be about drugs if the CIA itself facilitated drug trafficking. They cite CIA whistleblower Kevin Shipp, who said the CIA has been involved in Venezuela since at least the Cartel of the Sun, run by a general who was a CIA proxy and helped reconstitute Venezuela’s intelligence to penetrate the government; the general named Ramon Gulen allegedly ran narcotics and created the cartel of the sun. They claim the cartel is used by the Trump administration as a pretext to stage attacks on boats and in Venezuela and that the CIA, with its long history, was behind the Secret Service and the general in creating the drug trade and the cartel, with the Trump administration leveraging it to circumvent Congress. There is reference to a 60 Minutes piece from the 1990s reporting that the CIA collaborated with Venezuelan National Guard generals who moved tons of cocaine into the United States. The conversation then moves to John Kerry, who in the mid-1980s led the Contra Cocaine Investigation hearings into U.S. government complicity in the contra drug trade. The Reagan administration resisted the inquiry, attempted to discredit witnesses, and assigned the CIA to monitor the probe. Ten years later, the HITS report (the CIA Inspector General report authorized under Inspector General Frederick HITS) concluded that while the CIA did not officially participate in cocaine trafficking during the Contra War, it knowingly maintained relationships with and protected numerous contra-linked individuals and organizations involved in the drug trade when deemed operationally important, to keep the Contra War alive and to maintain U.S. objectives in Central America, even if it meant enabling and protecting drug lords; the CIA hid this from Congress, contributing to drug flow into the United States. The Iran-Contra framework is referenced as arms to Iran funding the Contras, with connections to cocaine trafficking, forming a single pipeline, allegedly placing the CIA at the center of these operations. The panel critiques CNN’s headline as suggesting the CIA’s new foothold is about establishing a presence, arguing the real aim is to block Russia and China’s influence, not democracy or drugs. Venezuela’s oil trade outside the petrodollar with BRICS nations is noted, with claims that the move away from the petrodollar spurred interference and invasion, and that Venezuela later returned to endorsing the petrodollar after a period of yuan transactions with China. The discourse asserts that the CIA’s purpose is to prevent free trade outside U.S. influence and to suppress alternative financial arrangements like BRICS or yuan-based oil transactions. The participants discuss the idea that the CIA has shifted from operating covertly to openly engaging in such activities, suggesting a normalization of “strategy of tension” and the notion that a third of the population would support the government’s actions, a third oppose, and a third are indifferent, thereby reducing public resistance. They connect these elements to broader media complicity, including Operation Mockingbird and the integration of former intelligence heads into media roles, implying entrenched deep-state influence.

Russia was initially hesitant to engage in the Syrian conflict, which began in 2011 when the U.S. coordinated with Al Qaeda and other groups. The CIA's secret operation, Timber Sycamore, provided Al Qaeda with anti-tank and anti-air weapons, making them a proxy force for U.S. interests alongside ISIS. The U.S. aimed to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government by using these proxies, including various terrorist factions. In Aleppo, the Syrian Army, supported by Hezbollah and some Iranian-organized troops, led the efforts to reclaim territory. A similar strategy is currently observed in Ukraine.

The discussion argues that identifying government corruption requires identifying the actors, and frames RussiaGate as a politically funded operation used in intelligence and law enforcement to obtain a secret-court authorization by lying about a political opponent to surveil him, taking two years to unpack. The central claim is that Gina Haspel was a leading architect of RussiaGate and remained behind the scenes, later becoming Trump’s CIA director. The transcript asserts that in 2016, when RussiaGate was launched in England, Gina Haspel was the CIA station chief for England and the top intelligence officer in the United Kingdom. It claims that, for lawful overseas intelligence and law enforcement operations, the number-one office of the DNI representation must authorize offensive operations, and that Gina Haspel, as the authorized representative in England, had to authorize such activities. The transcript states that new reporting indicates US FBI and intelligence community officials, and possibly other overseas intelligence allies, were involved in “bumpings” in England, and that this could not have happened without Haspel’s authorization. It further claims the key questions were why she did it, what legality she understood, what extent of knowledge she had, and what internal memorandums she would have written to authorize the conduct, including who she worked with, such as Comey, McCabe, Stroock, Page, and others, across England and America. A second key point is that, according to the transcript, Haspel blocked release of an ICA (Intelligence Community Assessment) report. It refers to a report by Devin Nunes and the team on John Brennan’s ICA that the transcript says was critical and should have been released during the Trump administration through the end. It claims Haspel stonewalled it and that it remains in a safe at CIA headquarters, portraying this as the reason the report is still classified and not publicly available. The transcript explains that in 2016 and 2017, John Brennan was ordered by Obama to issue the ICA on what Russia did, if anything, to interfere in US elections, and that the produced report was largely false. It states that, in parallel, Nunes and others created a classified seventeen-page report assessing what went into the ICA, who conducted interviews, what intelligence was used, whether it was false, and whether there was political motivation. The transcript says this report was not released, and calls Haspel the single most important figure blocking it. It also claims this helps demonstrate that the IC was involved and that there was “tons more corruption.” The transcript adds that the president reportedly wanted declassification, but says Haspel worked with DOJ figures including Pat Cipollone and others to argue “national security” concerns. It states the declassification fight was lost due to time constraints and links Joe Biden’s win to burying the materials. It concludes by saying that if President Trump wins, the transcript expects this and other material to be declassified, and it cites Washington Post journalist David Ignatius writing an article congratulating Haspel for blocking release, implying that the article reflected knowledge of the report’s contents and political impact.

The discussion centers on claims that the CIA has long been involved in Venezuela, has enabled drug trafficking, and now seeks a visible foothold in the country to counter Russia and China. Speaker 0 argues CNN’s report that the CIA will establish a foothold in Venezuela is emblematic of a duplicative pattern: the CIA has supposedly enabled the drug trade for decades, so the attack on Venezuela cannot be about drugs if the CIA is involved. They cite Kevin Shipp, a CIA whistleblower, who said the CIA has been involved in Venezuela since at least the Cartel of the Sun, run by a general who was a CIA proxy and helped reconstruct Venezuela’s intelligence service to penetrate the government. The general cited is General Ramon Gulen, described as running narcotics and creating and running the Cartel of the Sun. The Cartel is portrayed as a pretext used by the Trump administration to stage attacks and operate around Congress, with the CIA behind past secret dealings tied to it. Speaker 0 then references a 60 Minutes piece from the 1990s reported on by mainstream media that allegedly showed the CIA collaborating with Venezuelan National Guard generals who moved tons of cocaine into the United States. The discussion moves to John Kerry, who led the Contra Cocaine Investigation in the mid-1980s, seeking to determine US government involvement in the contra drug trade. The Reagan administration resisted, stonewalled the Senate, and monitored the probe. The HITS report (the CIA inspector general report authorized under inspector general Frederick HITS) is described as concluding in the late 1990s that while the CIA did not officially participate in cocaine trafficking during the Contra War, it knowingly maintained relationships with and protected numerous contra-linked individuals and organizations involved in the drug trade when operationally useful, to keep the contra war alive and to maintain US objectives in Central America, even if it meant enabling and protecting drug lords. It also states the CIA hid this from Congress, contributing to drugs entering the United States. The Iran-Contra connection is summarized as arms to Iran generating cash to fund the Contras, with the same network tied to cocaine trafficking, implying a single pipeline of influence and criminal activity. The speakers discuss media coverage and relationships with locals in Venezuela, questioning the claimed “relationship-building” as a cover for coercive activities, given sanctions that harm locals. They criticize the notion that the CIA is simply building positive ties, suggesting instead a pattern of disruption and control. The dialogue then shifts to geopolitics: Venezuela reportedly traded oil with BRICS outside the petrodollar since at least 2017, which is framed as undermining US global oil hegemony. A recent move to settle oil transactions in yuan is mentioned, with a snide remark that the CIA’s presence in Venezuela aims to prevent any free-trade diversification away from the petrodollar. The claim is made that the CIA’s objective is to prevent alternative global trade arrangements and maintain US influence by blocking competition from Russia, China, and BRICS members. Speaker 3 adds that the CIA’s actions align with a long-standing pattern of intervention, suggesting that the agency’s open, unapologetic approach reflects a broader strategy of tension, where a third of the population would support such actions, a third would oppose, and a third remain indifferent. They reference Operation Mockingbird and the presence of CIA-linked figures in media, including Mike Pompeo as a Fox News contributor, arguing that mainstream outlets act as channels for the deep state’s messaging, with information often flowing from the CIA to outlets like the New York Times. In sum, the discussion argues that US intervention in Venezuela is less about drugs or democracy and more about strategic counteraction to Russian, Chinese, and BRICS influence, with a long history of CIA involvement in drug trafficking and media manipulation. The speakers invite audience reactions on these points.

In 2011, Obama suggested overthrowing Bashar al Assad, leading to years of war in Syria. The US attempted regime change, obstructing a UN peace agreement. Motives for overthrowing Assad remain unclear, possibly due to arrogance or financial interests. Similar actions in Libya resulted in chaos. These decisions lack transparency and have long-lasting consequences.

Regarding the war in Syria, the CIA was tasked by Obama to overthrow the Syrian government four years before Russia intervened. This operation, known as Timber Sycamore, barely received coverage in the New York Times. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on phony pretenses. Focus groups were conducted to determine how to sell the war to the American people, using fear as a tactic. This war originated from Netanyahu's theory since 1995 that toppling governments supporting Hamas and Hezbollah (Iraq, Syria, and Iran) was necessary. He has been trying to get the US to fight Iran. He has gotten the US into endless wars because of his power in US politics. Therefore, the narrative of democracy versus dictatorship is not sensible.

There are members of Congress who are controlled by intel agencies. A high-ranking member of the House Intel Committee admitted to being spied on by the NSA. Even though he provides oversight, they still monitor him. Michael McCall, a leader among neoconservatives, accused someone of being a Russian agent based on what the intel briefers told him. When confronted, he defended himself by saying he believed the intel. This highlights the manipulation and control exerted by intel agencies over politicians.

I was shocked to learn that President Obama had programs to overthrow the Syrian regime. The CIA's Timber Sycamore program armed Al Qaeda to start another regime change war in the Middle East. The DOD's train and equip program spent over half a billion dollars training "moderate rebels" who were actually aligned with Al Qaeda. Regime change wars in Syria, like in Iraq, Libya, and Egypt, risk the rise of Islamist extremists like Al Qaeda. We now have an Islamist extremist in charge of Syria who celebrated the 9/11 attack and is persecuting religious minorities like Christians. Every American deserves to know if our government supported our enemy, Al Qaeda.

Libya became a key transit point for arms to Syrian rebels after the Arab Spring. A shipment intercepted off Lebanon contained machine guns and artillery, originating from Libya and passing through Turkey and Egypt. A 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report warned of a potential Salafist principality in Eastern Syria, which the U.S. ignored despite foreseeing the rise of ISIS. There were internal debates about supporting certain rebel groups, but policy decisions lacked clarity. President Obama initially opposed arming rebels but later provided limited support. General Flynn, who advocated for a different approach, was forced to retire in 2014. The discussion highlights the complexities of U.S. foreign policy, suggesting that actions have created more enemies than necessary, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Burisma is a for-profit gas company, not a charity, yet there are USAID emails indicating support for Burisma. CIA connections are prevalent. Hunter Biden was on the board of the National Democratic Institute, linked to the CIA's National Endowment for Democracy. Topher Black, a 30-year CIA veteran and recipient of the CIA Distinguished Medal Award, also served on Burisma's board. Black was Mitt Romney's Sherpa to the intelligence community when Romney ran for president. The Atlantic Council, with 7 CIA directors on its board, has a formal partnership with Burisma, signed on January 19, 2017, the day before Trump's inauguration.

On JFK’s inauguration day, 48% of all State Department political-section employees were not actually State Department employees at all; they were CIA operatives under diplomatic cover. While parked at a US embassy, they did not answer within the State Department chain of command and acted as covert operatives for organized political warfare conducted by the CIA. Because they dominated the political section, they could set their own political policy for the country. If the State Department did not want to overthrow a regime but the CIA did, the CIA could use the embassy’s political-section bandwidth to contact dissident groups, run money to them, provide logistical support, connect them, and run a parallel operation without observing the White House National Security Council chain of command. The speaker gave examples where in some embassies 80% of the political affairs staff were CIA, not State Department at all. The speaker then notes Joe Biden’s CIA director as Bill Burns, describing Burns as a buddy of Jeffrey Epstein. It is asserted that in the 1990s Burns was the head of the political section for the US embassy in Russia, and that Burns “never worked a day at the CIA in his whole life before he’d be handed the reins to be the CIA director.” The speaker emphasizes that Burns was a State Department figure the whole time, serving as the head of the political affairs section, and questions where he was positioned “at state” when he was the head of the political affairs section.

Russia initially resisted involvement in Syria, where the US supported Al Qaeda through covert operations. The CIA supplied weapons, including anti-tank and anti-air missiles, to Al Qaeda in Idlib province. The US used proxies like Al Qaeda and ISIS to overthrow Syria's government. In Aleppo, the Syrian Army, Hezbollah, and Iranian-backed troops were key players. Similar proxy tactics are seen in Ukraine.

After Russia invaded Ukraine, the Nord Stream pipelines exploded under the Baltic Sea. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh revealed that the US and CIA blew up the pipelines to stop Russian gas supplies to Germany. The US wanted to promote its own gas exports to Europe. The operation involved planting bombs during NATO drills and detonating them remotely. The destruction of the pipelines led to increased gas prices in Europe, benefiting US gas producers. The US government's massive financial aid to Ukraine is also questioned.

The war in Syria originated not from Bashar Al Assad, but from a decision in Washington in 02/2011 to overthrow Assad, a desire originating from Jerusalem and the Israeli government for over 25 years, with Netanyahu aiming to reshape the Middle East in Israel's image by overthrowing opposing governments. This aligned with the CIA and the U.S. government, leading to Operation Timber Sycamore, a program where the U.S. and regional countries trained rebels, including jihadists, to overthrow the Syrian regime. This resulted in chaos and 600,000 deaths. The CIA's goal in 02/2011 was for a jihad group to take power in Syria after being armed by the U.S. Peace in the region requires real diplomacy, not CIA operations, and an end to Israel's militarization of the Middle East. The Syrian war is one of six wars Israel has promoted, including in Lebanon, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan. In 02/2001, Wesley Clark was shown a Pentagon paper outlining a plan for seven wars in five years. The only war that hasn't occurred is a U.S. war with Iran.

USAID operates under the guise of humanitarian aid while advancing U.S. foreign policy. It has taken on tasks that the State Department prefers to avoid, functioning similarly to a covert operations division once managed by the CIA. Unlike the CIA, USAID is not required to obtain a presidential finding for covert operations. This has led to numerous international scandals involving USAID rather than the CIA. Understanding the CIA's history with money laundering sheds light on the issues surrounding USAID, which is resistant to congressional oversight and refuses to disclose its financial records.

One participant observes that the matter is sophisticated and implies a coordinated effort beyond a single email, noting that it involves a multi-hundred-million-dollar transaction processed through complex steps and asking how the money can be traced. The other participant explains what is known: the NSA identified senior Ukrainian government officials who were having the conversation and reportedly have some of their emails. The intercepts do not name USAID workers directly; they only mention that they are “working for USAID in Kev.” Because of that, tracing who was in contact with those officials about a clean energy grant during a war with Russia should be possible by narrowing down who was connected to those USAID-related emails. They indicate progress has been made since the story was published the previous week, suggesting early movement in identifying the involved parties. They describe the NSA intercepts as a summary of intercepts noting that the operation was designed to be so complicated that it would be hard to figure out after the fact, with money laundered multiple times until it was eventually diverted and sent to the DNC and Joe Biden. At the time this was happening, a famous person was leading USAID: Samantha Power, who is described as very close to Obama, Clinton, and Biden. The statement emphasizes that, while this does not imply involvement, it suggests examining USAID from the top down to determine who knew what and when. In summary, the discussion frames the situation as a highly sophisticated, large-scale financial operation with a chain of communication involving senior Ukrainian officials and USAID personnel. The NSA’s intercepts point to a deliberate design to obscure the trail, with potential implications involving political figures connected to USAID’s leadership. The speakers highlight ongoing progress in identifying who was in touch with the Ukrainian officials and stress the importance of tracing the funding flow, including hints about laundering patterns and the ultimate destination of funds.

A recent court filing reveals that at least two 9/11 hijackers, Khaled Almidhar and Nawaf Al Hazmi, were part of a CIA-Saudi intelligence operation. The CIA monitored them during a major Al Qaeda summit in Malaysia in January 2000 but failed to inform the FBI of their presence in the U.S. After the summit, they entered the U.S. without screening and were assisted by Omar Albayumi, a Saudi intelligence officer posing as a civil aviation employee. The CIA's Alex Station, which operated outside the FBI's oversight, aimed to recruit these hijackers. This raises serious questions about the CIA's role in the 9/11 attacks, suggesting that they may have knowingly allowed the operation to proceed without intervention.

Jeffrey Epstein negotiated the contract to move the CIA's proprietary airliner, Southern Air Transport, which was busted for drugs and guns during Iran Contra. He personally was the authorized signatory on the deal with Southern Air Transport to move it to a military base in Columbus, Ohio to service the limited. The speaker then asks how, in 1994, one would convince the Central Intelligence Agency to move its proprietary CIA airline used for covert operations, based in Miami, to Columbus, Ohio just to service Epstein’s personal company. They question whether he cold-called the CIA or schmoozed it, or if it was because he was handling Adnan Khashoggi's money during Iran Contra that purchased the guns that Southern Air Transport, a decade earlier, was moving.

For the past decade, foreign powers have sought to destroy Syria. "Israel wants to reclaim Southern Syria, Turkey wants to reclaim Northern Syria, and the Persian Gulf states want a secure route for a natural gas pipeline to Europe." The "American Empire" seeks to destroy any nation that fails to open its economy to Western corporations. The preferred method... "to destroy a nation by agitating and arming minority groups while sending thousands of foreign mercenaries" and "funded by foreign intelligence agencies via massive arms smuggling that supplied billions of dollars in weapons to so called rebels." "American weaponry included expensive shoulder fired surface to air missiles and large anti tank weapons, like the American TOW system." By the end of 2,015, the Syrian government had lost control of most of its territory. "Russia announced that any aircraft that bombed Syrian forces would be shot down." "Israel expanded its Druze militias in Southern Syria" and "American aircrafts and artillery supported Kurdish forces" into Eastern Syria. "The White Helmets" were "founded in 2013 by a British ex military officer" and "funded to the tune of $100,000,000 by The US, UK, and Europe"—they "purport to be rescuing civilians" yet "no one in Eastern Aleppo has heard of them." "The covert war on Syria killed over 400,000 people and pushed 5,000,000 refugees." "Seven years has been a disaster under Obama" with "CIA and Saudi Arabia together" fueling a "proxy war" that brought ISIS; get out. The plot to destroy Syria failed as it reconquered most of its territory.

In 2012, a secret agreement was made between the Obama and Erdogan administrations regarding the rat line. The CIA, with support from MI6, transported weapons from Gaddafi's arsenals to Syria. This operation was not disclosed to the congressional intelligence committees and leadership, as required by law. To bypass this, the CIA classified the mission as a liaison operation outsourced to MI6. This allowed them to avoid the need for a presidential finding and congressional approval. A similar scheme was used to evade congressional oversight in the Nord Stream 2 project.

Hunter Biden's ties to the CIA are highlighted, with his involvement in CIA operations through organizations like the National Democratic Institute and Burisma. The CIA's goal was to shift the gas market from Russia to NATO, with Hunter playing a role in this long-term project. The CIA's influence extends to the Justice Department, protecting its assets from investigations. Hunter's connections to CIA operations make him untouchable.