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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

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It is claimed that ethical concerns prevent double-blind placebo trials for childhood vaccines already on the schedule that never underwent safety testing. The first step should be honesty about the clinical trial data underlying childhood vaccines. One proposed method involves comparing health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals using existing datasets. If unvaccinated children are equally or less healthy than vaccinated children, this should be published to reassure parents. However, if vaccinated children are less healthy, the claim that these products cannot harm anyone should be reconsidered. It is asserted that comparative studies between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals have been conducted, but not published because they allegedly show that the unvaccinated are healthier. Publishing a study showing vaccinated individuals are healthier would have discredited Robert Kennedy Jr., but the fact that it wasn't published suggests a problem.

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We documented six sixty 1 trials using inert placebo controls. We confirmed that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children have been studied in placebo controlled trials. The claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebos is demonstrably false. Of the 661 trials, 567 were not a routine injected vaccine for disease on the CDC's childhood schedule; the remaining 94 studies, 70 did not involve healthy children; of the remaining 24, 21 did not involve a US licensed vaccine. That leaves us with three studies, three, that were claimed to have an inert control that were relied upon to license a routine injected childhood vaccine. One varicella trial was only a few 100 people and underpowered; it was an inert control but actually neomycin. Gardasil 4: control group mostly aluminum adjuvant; few 100 labeled inert control but not inert. Gardasil 9: saline after three Gardasil 4 doses. So, zero trials.

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The speaker asks if there has been a study comparing the health outcomes of children following the CDC vaccination schedule and those who are unvaccinated. The other speaker says they are not aware of such a study and suggests it may be considered bad malpractice not to vaccinate a child. They discuss the possibility of a retrospective study using the Vaccine Safety Datalink, but note the need to control for confounders. The speaker presents an exhibit showing higher rates of health conditions in vaccinated children and suggests the need for larger studies to confirm or refute these findings. The other speaker agrees.

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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

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We documented six sixty 1 trials using inert placebo controls. We confirmed that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children have been studied in placebo controlled trials. The claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebos is demonstrably false. 567 of these trials were not a routine injected vaccine for a disease in the CDC's childhood schedule. The remaining 94 studies, 70 of them did not involve healthy children. Of the remaining 24, 21 did not involve a US licensed vaccine. That leaves us with three studies, three, that were claimed to have a inert control that were relied upon to license a routine injected childhood vaccine out of this entire list of 661. One was a trial for the chickenpox vaccine, the varicella vaccine. It was only a few 100 people, so was underpowered anyway.

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Vaccine recommendations typically come from the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (an outside consulting committee at CDC) and VRBPAC (within FDA), which recommends vaccine licensure. These committees only adopted evidence-based medicine about twelve years ago. The speaker states that during their administration, they want safety studies prior to vaccine licensure and recommendation. They claim vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing, and the COVID vaccine was the only one tested in a full placebo trial. They assert that the other 76 shots children receive between birth and 18 have not been safety tested against a placebo, meaning the risk profile is not understood. The speaker intends to remedy this.

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"Inert should mean that the substance does not cause a chemical or biological reaction in the body." "Paul Offit routinely calls mercury and aluminum inert even though they are known neurotoxicants." "Philip Grandjean and Philip Langegon, they're the best two toxicologists in the world. They published a study in 2014 that says both aluminum and ethyl mercury are known neurotoxicants." "In the context of vaccines, placebo should mean saline as verified by independent third party testing." "FDA has no regulations concerning the contents of placebos." "manufacturers can put whatever they want into the comparator intervention and can still call it a placebo by law." "A double blind randomized controlled trial should have two groups." "That's not what the supporters of the status quo mean when they say randomized control trial." "That's why we're in this mess. That's why we have an autism and chronic disease epidemic in this country."

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None of the 72 vaccines for children have been tested against a placebo. The speaker sued HHS in 2016 to find placebo studies for vaccines, but none were found. The safety testing for the polio vaccine was only 48 hours, while the hepatitis b vaccines were tested for 4-5 days. This means that any adverse events occurring after that time period were not considered. Without placebo testing, the risk profile of current vaccines is unknown, and it cannot be determined if vaccines cause more harm than good. The speaker questions the ethics of mandating medical products with unknown risks for children.

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The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.

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The speaker claims that no childhood vaccine has ever undergone a safety trial using a double-blind, placebo-based study. They assert that this type of study, involving a saline injection as a placebo, is the only way to determine the safety of a pharmaceutical product. Furthermore, the speaker states that there has never been a study comparing the health outcomes of children who receive the full schedule of 72 (or potentially up to 90) vaccines to those who receive none. Because of the lack of safety studies and comparative data, the speaker chooses not to inject themselves or their children with vaccines. They want evidence that vaccines are safe and make people healthier.

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We couldn't find any prelicensing safety trials for the 72 vaccines doses that are recommended for American children. Unlike other medications, vaccines were exempt from conducting safety trials that compare health outcomes between a placebo group and a vaccine group. This lack of safety trials is concerning considering the widespread use of these vaccines.

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In early 2017, the speaker and Robert Kennedy Jr. met with Tony Fauci and Francis Collins at the NIH to discuss vaccine safety concerns. They questioned the absence of double-blind placebo safety trials for childhood vaccines. According to the speaker, Fauci and Collins admitted that such trials are not conducted because they would be unethical. The speaker proposed a comparative study using the Vaccine Safety Data Link (VSD) to compare the health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, assessing rates of cancer, diabetes, ADD/ADHD, autism, Tourette's, lupus, and leukemia. The speaker claims this study could be completed quickly, but alleges that NIH officials stated they would never conduct it. The speaker suggests that if vaccines were proven safe through such a study, concerns about vaccine safety would disappear. The speaker believes the study has been done, but the data was manipulated to make vaccinated people appear healthier.

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We couldn't find a prelicensing safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines doses recommended for American children. Unlike other medications, vaccines were exempt from conducting safety trials that compare health outcomes between a placebo group and a vaccine group.

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Big problem with trusting the science is not the science part, it's who's behind the science part, primarily in the area of vaccines for children. Normally, when you study a drug, you compare it with a placebo, so that way you can truly test the side effects on something, but that is not how they test children's vaccines. This so called placebo control is not really a true placebo control because it's not inert. It's an active vaccine with something called an adjuvant. The big one that they've been using for a long time is aluminum. My question is, how can you really truly test the safety and effectiveness of something if you're looking at the relative safety of an active vaccine to another active vaccine with adjuvants. That just muddies the water to this whole safe and effective claim that you keep hearing over and over and over.

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The speaker discusses the issue of unvaccinated individuals and the lack of studies conducted by the government. They argue that giving the vaccine to everyone absolves the government of understanding its effects. However, they found studies in plain sight that compared vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Over 100 such studies are featured in the book, with very few coming from the federal government. The FDA claims it is not their job to conduct these studies, but the problem lies in the funding of studies by those who stand to profit from the products. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) should be evaluating the risks associated with vaccines, especially when given together, but they have been negligent in doing so. The speaker suggests that vaccines should undergo placebo-controlled trials like other drugs.

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Kendall asks for an explanation of the process by which the MMR vaccine causes autism, referencing the movie Vaxxed. Speaker 2 responds that they are currently researching those questions, as parents and physicians have reported children developing autism immediately after the MMR vaccine. The speaker claims studies that should have been done long ago were not. Instead, the speaker alleges that captured researchers at the CDC, mainly people who work for the pharmaceutical industry, produced bad epidemiological studies. The speaker asserts that these studies deliberately avoided comparing health outcomes in vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. Speaker 0 states that this is one of the things they are studying now with gold standard science. Speaker 2 confirms they are doing gold standard science, which includes replication. They are allocating about 20% of their budget to replicating studies. Speaker 0 explains replication as an independent group repeating a study with the same parameters and data sets to achieve the same result. Speaker 2 agrees.

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The speaker states they searched for years for a pre-licensing safety trial of the 72 vaccine doses effectively mandated for American children. They claim that every other medication requires a safety trial comparing health outcomes in a placebo group versus a vaccine group before FDA licensing. The speaker assumed this was also done for vaccines. They state they found out that vaccines were exempt from this requirement.

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I challenged the claim that I was dishonest about vaccine safety trials and asked for a single prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines required for American children. After searching, I was told they were in Bethesda, but I never received them. We then sued the HHS under the Freedom of Information Law. After a year, they confirmed they could not locate any prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trials for the mandated vaccines. These vaccines have zero liability. I am not anti-vaccine; I advocate for honesty and sound science. My efforts to remove mercury from fish were never labeled as anti-fish.

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"There is not one longitudinal safety study on hepatitis b against unvaccinated kids versus vaccinated kids, inert placebo, does not exist." "The two studies that are cited most often, one is for MMR." "Hep B is not involved." "They're like, we did a huge study about this. No autism." "And I'm not suggesting there's a link. I'm simply saying that huge study is only MMR." "The other study they love to talk about involves thimerosal." "Not everything else about the hepatitis B vaccine." "There the there the reality is it's not settled science. Just it's okay." "Vaccines have like, we could but to even say that, anti vaxxer."

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I asked if they could provide a single prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines required for American children. After searching, they claimed the documents were in Bethesda, but I never received them. We then sued the HHS under the Freedom of Information Act. After a year, they acknowledged they could not locate any prelicensing safety trials for the mandated vaccines. These vaccines come with zero liability. I am not anti-vaccine; I believe in honesty and good science. I've spent 30 years advocating to remove mercury from fish, and no one ever labeled me as anti-fish.

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Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

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None of the vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have undergone proper testing. No childhood vaccine has completed a placebo-controlled clinical trial with sufficient duration and power to confirm its safety before being administered to millions of children in America. This is not an opinion; it can be verified by anyone visiting the FDA website, where the package inserts and clinical trial documents are available for review.

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We documented six sixty 1 trials using inert placebo controls and confirmed that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children have been studied in placebo controlled trials. The claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebos is demonstrably false. Drilling into the 661 trials, 567 were not a routine injected vaccine for disease on the CDC's childhood schedule; the remaining 94 studies, 70 did not involve healthy children; of the remaining 24, 21 did not involve a US licensed vaccine. That leaves three studies claimed to have an inert control used to license a routine injected childhood vaccine. One varicella trial had only a few hundred participants and, though called inert, used neomycin instead. The Gardasil 4 trial's control group largely received an aluminum adjuvant injection; a few hundred labeled inert were not inert. The Gardasil 9 trial used a saline injection only after three doses of Gardasil 4. The result: zero trials used a placebo as well as a true inert control to license a routine injected vaccine on the CDC schedule.

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VACCINES: HONEST ANSWERS with Dr. Joel Warsh
Guests: Dr. Joel Gator Warsh
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The episode presents a wide‑ranging, data‑driven discussion about vaccines with Dr. Joel Warsh, a pediatrician and epidemiology trained clinician who authored a book aimed at balancing vaccine questions with evidence. The conversation centers on how vaccine safety is communicated, the medical community’s approach to risk, and why concerns persist among parents who notice rising autoimmune and allergic conditions, chronic illnesses, and debates over autism. Warsh stresses that vaccines are not anti‑vaccine; rather, the aim is open dialogue, rigorous safety review, and better public understanding of benefits versus harms. He notes that many questions get short shrift in public discourse, and he advocates transparency, nuance, and ongoing research rather than absolutist declarations about safety being “debunked.” The dialogue dives into core concepts of safety testing and trial design, explaining the difference between inert placebo controls and comparisons against other vaccines or existing vaccines. The guests discuss how safety signals are collected, the role of VAERS, and whether long‑term, large‑scale data can convincingly rule out rare adverse events. They debate the interpretation of data around autism, noting the scarcity of comprehensive, prospective studies across all vaccines beyond MMR and thimerosal and arguing that unanswered questions should prompt more research rather than definitive dismissals. A substantial portion is devoted to the ethical and societal questions of mandates, coercion, and herd immunity. The hosts explore how individual risk assessments intersect with the social contract to protect vulnerable populations, acknowledging that definitions of “safe” and “enough” vary widely. They discuss vaccine technologies—old versus new—and adjuvants, including aluminum and trace metals, as well as the development of mRNA vaccines, their testing history, and what “emergency use” really means. Throughout, the conversation emphasizes the importance of listening to skeptical voices, testing assumptions, and pursuing healthier, safer vaccines while avoiding vilification of dissenting views. The episode concludes with calls for more balanced media coverage and collaborative dialogue among scientists, clinicians, policymakers, and parents to restore trust and improve vaccine safety in practice.
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