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The speaker asserts the American people deserve the whole truth regarding Jeffrey Epstein. They claim Donald Trump, Pam Bondi, and MAGA extremists have been fueling a conspiracy around the matter for years. The speaker questions what the Trump administration and the Department of Justice are hiding and suggests Congress should uncover the truth. They propose two possibilities: either Trump, Bondi, and MAGA extremists intentionally lied about the Epstein situation for years, or there is concealed information damaging to the Trump administration, their associates, and billionaire supporters, leading to a cover-up. The speaker concludes it is Congress's bipartisan responsibility to seek answers.

The president stated the focus on the Epstein files is a "hoax" started and run by Democrats for four years, involving figures like Christopher Wray and Comey. He likened it to the "steel dossier" and the 51 intelligence agents, claiming it's all a Democratic-led hoax that some Republicans fall for. He said Democrats are bad for policy and picking electable candidates, citing a "communist" candidate in New York. He prefers to focus on his administration's achievements, like the economy and progress in the Middle East, rather than Epstein, who he says "had some very serious problems" and died three or four years ago. He believes those pursuing the Epstein issue are "stupid people" doing the Democrats' work.

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein is dead and "was never a big factor." The speaker believes the case is "pretty boring stuff" and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. The speaker suggests that "only pretty bad people, including fake news, wanna keep something like that going." They state that if there's credible information, "let them have it." The speaker then pivots to a question about AI.

The president states that the focus on the "Epstein files" is a "hoax" perpetrated by Democrats, with some Republicans foolishly falling into the trap. He claims the "hoax" started with the Steele dossier and the 51 intelligence agents. He accuses Democrats of being bad for policy and picking electable candidates, citing a "communist" running in New York who may win and "destroy the city." He would rather discuss his administration's achievements, such as the economy and progress in the Middle East, instead of focusing on Epstein. He believes those pursuing the "Epstein hoax" are doing the Democrats' work and are "stupid people."

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

The speaker criticizes Democrats for a recent tweet they deleted, which claimed that an email proves Donald Trump spent Thanksgiving with Jeffrey Epstein in 2017 when Trump was already president. The speaker argues that a simple Google search shows exactly what Trump did that day, demonstrating he did not spend Thanksgiving with Epstein. They claim the tweet is part of a pattern of lies that the official Democrats Twitter account posts, noting they leave other lies up but deleted this one. The speaker asserts that Trump was in Mar-a-Lago, Florida, the entire day on Thanksgiving 2017, and emphasizes that Epstein had been banned from Mar-a-Lago years earlier. They state that minutes from that day exist because Trump was president, detailing where he was and what he did, reinforcing the claim that he did not spend Thanksgiving with Epstein. Despite the tweet being deleted, the speaker notes that it had already gone viral, with millions of views and many big Twitter accounts reposting the claim that Trump was with Epstein on Thanksgiving in 2017. The deletion is acknowledged as a move that will attract attention, but the speaker views it as a consequence of pushing a false narrative. The speaker contends that the pattern is harmful: once people learn they were lied to, it damages the credibility of those who spread the lie and can cause people to oppose them more. They argue that the ongoing propagation of hoaxes will continue to be debunked, and that debunking efforts will build trust with the American people while the other side destroys its own credibility. In closing, the speaker vows to keep debunking hoaxes and to continue gaining trust with the American people, asserting that the responsible action is to expose the falsehoods and highlight the supposed consequences for those who spread them.

"Your justice department is also sending some of the Epstein files over to the house oversight committee today." "Are you are you in support of them releasing all of them? It open? If they wanted to release people shouldn't be hurt, but I'm in support of keeping it totally open." "I couldn't care less." "The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax." "So we had the greatest six months, seven months in the history of the presidency." "And the Democrats don't know what to do, so they keep bringing up that stuff." "The Bill Clinton was on his plane and went to the island supposedly 28 times." "You have Larry, whatever his name is, Summers, the head of Harvard, who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend." "This is a democratic hoax to try and get the the significance of what we've done over the past seven months." "Nobody's ever seen anything like it." "They say it's number one in history."

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

The speaker states he doesn't understand why his supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor in his life. He claims he doesn't understand the interest or fascination, especially since credible information has been given. He compares the situation to the "Mueller witch hunt" and the "steel dossier," which he claims was all fake. He finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. He suggests that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep the story alive, but says that if there is credible information, "let them have it."

The speaker claims the release of the Epstein files is a psyop orchestrated by Israel because Trump is not sufficiently pro-Israel. According to the speaker, the Times of Israel suggests the files resurfaced and are overwhelming Trump because he criticized Netanyahu. The speaker says that while Trump bombed Iranian nuclear sites, he didn't bomb them for a full week as he should have. The speaker alleges that despite Trump's actions for Israel, it's not enough, and the Epstein list will be a problem for him because he messed with Israel. The speaker states that the Times of Israel implies Trump is being threatened by old files because he occasionally criticizes Netanyahu and his administration isn't fully compliant with discrimination against Christians in Israel.

The speaker doesn't understand the continued interest in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor in life. The speaker believes the credible information has already been given. They compare the situation to the Mueller investigation and the Steele dossier, which they claim was all fake. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. They suggest that only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep it going, but that any credible information should be released.

The speaker is unsure why their supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein is dead and was never a big factor. The speaker believes the credible information has been given. They contrast the Epstein case with the "Mueller witch hunt" and the Steele dossier, which they claim was all fake. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. They suggest that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep it going. They state that if there is any credible information, it should be released.

The president stated that the focus on the "Epstein files" is a "hoax" perpetrated by Democrats, with some Republicans foolishly falling into the trap. He claims the hoax has been run by Democrats for four years, referencing Christopher Wray, Comey, and the Steele dossier. He believes Democrats are bad for policy and picking electable candidates, citing a "communist" running in New York. He would rather discuss his administration's achievements, such as the economy and progress in the Middle East, instead of focusing on Epstein. He reiterated that those pursuing the "Epstein hoax" are doing the Democrats' work and are "stupid people."

The transcript centers on a long-form discussion of the Epstein case, the alleged “deep state,” FOIA operations, and political maneuvering around Trump, with frequent calls to aggressively release and pursue Epstein-related documents and other investigations. The speakers assert that the FOIA department is being used to shield deep-state ties and that many federal offices are filled with anti-Trump figures who have prevented full disclosure. - Epstein files and the role of the deep state - The speakers claim the Epstein files are being selectively redacted by FOIA departments to conceal deep-state connections. They state that FOIA personnel are controlled by deep-state actors and that Epstein’s case involves a “fleet of aircraft” and operations linked to major power centers. They argue Epstein’s activities connect to money laundering, information laundering, and a broader set of deep-state assets and operations. - They propose a remedy: appoint Tom Fitton as special counsel on the Epstein files, arguing he “knows how FOIA really works,” understands key personnel, and has litigated Epstein-related cases for years. They assert this would restore public confidence and expedite the exposure of Democratic ties and other actors alleged to be involved. - They advocate for Trump to have executive-privilege-style powers to declassify and release Epstein materials, suggesting a broad interpretation of “Epstein file law” that would allow him to disclose or appoint an ombudsman with power to release materials at will. They emphasize the need to disclose Democratic ties and to hold press conferences when releasing documents, avoiding the use of fake documents or videos. - Specific figures and institutions named - Kash Patel is cited as saying there are “open files on a dozen plus coconspirators” and as someone who has noted alleged misdirections by those handling Epstein-related material. - Kyle Serafin and Phil Kennedy are mentioned as documenting a person at the FBI capacity who is “an anti-Trump advocate,” implying that deep-state appointments control FOIA and related processes. - Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss replacing FOIA and related personnel who are deeply implicated; they specifically name Tom Fitton as the ideal choice and entertain other high-profile figures like Tulsi Gabbard as potential custodians of the Epstein disclosures. - Tulsi Gabbard is described as being in charge of broader investigations tied to the Epstein files and other major political issues (elections, COVID-19, etc.). They also reference “Epstein files” intersecting with other investigations they attribute to the deep state. - Epstein, Maxwell, and allied networks - Epstein is described as deeply embedded with Western intelligence agencies (French, Israeli, UK, and US) and tied to Robert Maxwell, with Maxwell’s daughter linked to Epstein. Epstein is portrayed as having been “recruited by Bill Barr” and as a central figure in a long-running intelligence and blackmail operation. - The discussion links Epstein to Leslie Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder) and a French talent agency, portraying these connections as part of a large, interconnected network involved in money laundering, arms trafficking, blackmail, and intelligence work. - The speakers insist that Epstein’s activities extended to the late 1990s and beyond, including alleged involvement in “Shutters” in Santa Monica and other high-profile cases, with a consistent pattern of using underage girls and blackmail to exert influence. - They emphasize a broader motive: exposing the “deep state” to vindicate Trump and indict deep-state actors who allegedly engaged in illicit operations, including foreign intelligence services and Western governments. - The broader political frame and potential indictments - The Epstein files are presented as a potential hinge for indicting a wide array of figures across political lines, including references to Comey, Mueller, Hillary Clinton-era actors, and other “rogue actors” who allegedly hindered investigations. - The conversation ties Epstein to broader themes: the 2020 election, COVID policies, and anti-Trump actions by the “deep state.” They contend that the Epstein disclosures could demonstrate the depth of state interference in political processes and media, making Democrats and their institutions targets of accountability. - They argue the Epstien files could show criminal activity by multiple national actors, including Israeli, UK, and French components, and could reveal coordinated efforts to derail Trump and manipulate media narratives. - The Candace Owens angle and related criticisms - A substantial portion of the dialogue critiques Candace Owens, alleging she is running a “CIA-style” operation that distracts from the true conspiracy around the deep state and Tarantifa, and that she manipulates narratives related to Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk. - They accuse Owens of shifting narratives, fabricating alibis, and promoting disinformation, calling her a “SIOP” (psychological operation) and alleging her behind-the-scenes connections to MI6 or other international actors through her husband (George Farmer) and other associates. - They recount multiple incidents where Owens purportedly changed stories about meetings, alibis, and involvement in various investigations, asserting she uses “receipts” selectively and inconsistently to support divergent claims. - The speakers allege that Owens’s public warfare against Trump and TP USA is part of a broader intelligence operation intended to disrupt conservative momentum, link to Royal/MI6 circles, and undermine investigations into the deep state and its networks. - Tyler Robinson case and media dynamics - They describe Tyler Robinson as a Middle American figure whose transformation into a political actor is portrayed as a product of online radicalization and Tarantifa-linked influences. They claim there was a concerted effort to spoon-feed disinformation about Robinson and Candace Owens’ involvement. - They argue this is part of a larger pattern of media manipulation and disinformation designed to distract from real conspiracies and to target Trump and conservative movements. - Strategy and messaging guidance - The speakers advocate for Trump to go on the offensive with Epstein, releasing comprehensive, verified documentation, and pushing accountability for “rogue actors” in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the NSA. - They stress the need for aggressive prosecution and the appointment of trusted figures to lead the Epstein disclosures, arguing that this could restore public confidence and pivot the political conversation toward accountability for the deep state. - They urge addressing the statute of limitations issues in COVID, January 6, and 2020 election-related cases before the window closes in early 2026, warning that delays by Bondi, Blanche, and others could jeopardize prosecutions and political support. - Promotional and logistical notes - The dialogue includes frequent mentions of promoting Alex Jones programs, products, and stores (alexjonesstore.com and infowarsstore.com) to fund operations, along with appeals to listeners to support the broadcasts financially and through purchases, framing financial support as essential to sustaining investigations, media efforts, and broader political action. In sum, the transcript presents an entangled, aggressively conspiratorial narrative: a claim that Epstein’s files illuminate a vast, deeply embedded deep-state apparatus spanning multiple nations and agencies; a call to appoint trusted figures (notably Tom Fitton) to supervise full disclosure; a push for Trump to declassify and publicly prosecute the implicated actors; a harsh critique of Candace Owens as part of a disinformation ecosystem; and a broader strategy to use Epstein, along with related investigations, to dismantle perceived institutional corruption while fueling political narratives and fundraising.

The Attorney General briefed Speaker 0 on the DOJ and FBI review of the Epstein files. Speaker 0 stated the briefing was very quick and focused on the credibility of the information. Speaker 0 claimed the files were fabricated by Comey, Obama, and the Biden administration, similar to the "Russia, Russia, Russia hoax." Speaker 0 stated the Attorney General has handled the situation well and should release whatever she deems credible. Speaker 1 then asked about Texas and how many more seats Speaker 0 wants Republicans to have.

The speaker argues that it is time for the country to shift its focus to something else. He states that nothing has emerged about him personally beyond the claim that there was a conspiracy against him, specifying that the conspiracy was “literally, by Epstein and other people.” In his view, this is evidence that there should be a move away from discussions about him and toward other national concerns. He emphasizes that the country should perhaps “get onto something else,” suggesting that public attention should be redirected to topics that matter more to the national discourse. In the same vein, the speaker raises a question about justice, addressing the question directly to the president. He asks, “Why would you say people don’t they have gotten justice,” signaling skepticism or disagreement with a statement that justice has been fully served. He frames the issue as something that matters to the public, asserting that the notion of justice is a concern “something that people care about.” The exchange implies a belief that the public’s sense of justice remains unsettled or unaddressed, despite the narrative that there has been justice or resolution. Overall, the speaker presents two intertwined points: first, a call to move the national conversation away from personal allegations and toward other issues; second, a probe into whether justice has been delivered to the people, highlighting that this is an area of public interest and concern. He references a conspiracy linked to Epstein as a central personal grievance while urging a broader national focus, and he questions the completeness of justice as perceived by the audience, urging the president to comment on whether the public has received justice. The tone combines a push for agenda-shifting with a critique of the current state of justice as seen by the speaker and, by extension, some portion of the public.

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

Speaker 0 says it's "preposterous that we were talking about Hillary Clinton's emails again in the year 2025," that "they get activated," and that Trump won't be blamed for not releasing the Epstein files, "We spent years on this story." Speaker 1 counters, "No. Let let me you you had to take this story seriously for years, and it was false. It wasn't false." He asserts that "When Trump won in 2016, the intel community concluded that Russia didn't have a hand in his victory," but "Obama determined and wanted a new conclusion," sending "Brennan" to "come up with a new collusion," and insists "There was no proof." They claim "They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016." He adds, "The Democrats never cared about Epstein until they saw a political motivation," while noting "the right is more on top of Epstein" and that "We actually cared," concluding with "Save me your selective outrage."

The president questions why his supporters are so interested in the Epstein story and says he doesn’t understand the interest or fascination. Epstein is dead a long time and was never a big factor in life, and he doesn’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. He states that credible information has been given, and mentions the Mueller witch hunt and the Steele dossier as fake, asserting that all that information was fake. He describes the Epstein case as pretty boring stuff, sorted but boring, and doesn’t understand why it keeps going. He adds that only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going, and that credible information should be let them have it.

Weed through a complete searchable database of 26,000 files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The speaker has spent hours and hours examining these files and will spend the coming days giving an inside look at them. A taste of the range of materials includes bizarre emails where Epstein is suspiciously dumping lists of names, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, and Woody Allen. There are emails over the years in which Epstein works with outside consultants to scrub Google search results and essentially bleach the Internet of bad press, claiming they can provide reinforcement from sites like Harvard and other publications they influence to meet Epstein’s needs. In another email, Epstein and Larry Summers, the former Harvard president and board member for OpenAI, are emailing about an article involving Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. Epstein mysteriously says he has some great stories after just coming back from a week of “Jeffrey style” meetings. There are also many emails related to Trump. Despite Trump’s public claim that the whole affair is a scam—with arrows pointing to the Democrats—the files show that he is mentioned in these emails more than anyone else. The speaker invites audiences to follow along as these files are examined and to work to hold everyone involved accountable.

The speaker describes a perceived flip in the political dynamic around the Epstein files, calling the current moment “political bizarro world.” They observe that on the right, voices now say to move on from the Epstein files, treating it as no big deal, while on the left, voices push for releasing and declassifying the files, with Democrats even attempting to force a floor vote. The speaker notes that during the Trump era, Epstein was a campaign issue, with Trump and several administration members stressing the importance and urgency of releasing the files, and even FBI director Cash Patel reportedly saying it should be the number-one priority. The speaker claims that a majority of Trump voters would have supported releasing the Epstein files on day one, and asserts that this topic was once central to Trump’s political base. In contrast, they point out that in the present moment, the right is urging no action and the left is demanding action, highlighting a stark reversal in public and media positions. Media coverage is described as contradictory to the past: the speaker says CNN and MSNBC are now treating the Epstein files as their biggest story, with Democrats actively calling for declassification and release. They cite Democrats writing songs and posting on social media to advocate for release, suggesting an active and vocal push from the left. A year earlier, the speaker contends, the situation was reversed: right-wing figures demanded the Epstein files, Republican Trump-era officials supported it, and Democrats were largely silent or dismissed the issue as conspiracy theory for involving Bill Clinton. Now, the speaker argues, Democrats are pursuing release while Trump-related figures and right-wing elements retort with resistance or minimal engagement. The speaker uses the juxtaposition to argue that politicians, down to voters, appear highly controlled and capable of swiftly switching sides on the Epstein issue, illustrating broader impressions of partisan manipulation. They suggest broader themes such as “no new wars,” “no new foreign entanglements,” and “no new strikes” as possible contexts for the shifting narratives, alongside reactions to Iran-related actions and Middle East involvement, though they acknowledge these as speculative links. Ultimately, the speaker emphasizes how drastic the shift around the Epstein files feels, labeling it the most political bizarro-world moment and, in their view, a return to “clown world”—now in an inverted, bizarro form.

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor. The speaker believes credible information has been given and references the Mueller investigation and steel dossier as examples of fake information. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed, suggesting only bad people and fake news want to keep it going. The speaker states that if there is credible information, it should be released. The speaker is then asked a question about AI.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”

The speaker contends that the real reason for hard efforts to prevent the release of the files for months is to protect billionaires, friends of the speaker and associated political donors. They claim Epstein had close ties to our own intelligence agencies and Israel's intelligence agencies, and argue that there will be attempts to stop this somewhere else, which they believe will backfire.

The speaker denies reports of hosting a gathering of top advisors to discuss the Epstein situation, calling it "completely fake news." He asserts the report is a "hoax" perpetrated by Democrats to divert attention from his administration's successful six months. He attributes the report to the Democrats and dismisses the situation as "total bullshit."