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Speaker 0 accuses 'you and the other leaders of your death cult, particularly as it relates to COVID case rates tied to severity of lockdowns,' and says there has not yet been 'a corresponding something remotely resembling a mea culpa' or accountability. Speaker 1 notes that 'people's lives are still affected,' including 'Kids whose schooling has been delayed for years, that may be permanent, where they're having long term effects, psychological harm, depression, drug abuse,' and adds that 'Sweden... did better than we did by far. They had actually almost no excess mortality through the entire pandemic. It's incredible. The best in Europe. And they didn't do the lockdowns.' He urges planning for the next time that is 'more human' and maintaining 'lots and lots of tools' to understand and counter new viruses, while warning that 'What we don't have is a social structure that responds to that information in a rational way' and that societies are 'prone to panic' and may 'sacrifice children, the poor, the working class,' so pandemic plans must be structured to not ever do that again.

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In 2006, during the avian flu epidemic, a panel of public health officials recommended lockdowns, but their advice was rejected by Dr. Donald Henderson, a renowned expert in eradicating diseases like smallpox. He believed that communities respond best to epidemics when their normal functioning is least disrupted, and strong leadership is crucial. Today, it is forbidden to debate this issue. Lockdowns have been effective for social control but haven't changed the virus's course. People are being conditioned to passively follow government orders, and children are missing out on education and learning to trust authority.

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Treating people like adults and providing qualified information could have potentially prevented lockdowns. However, disagreeing with this perspective, the speaker argues that not knowing the outcome doesn't change the necessity of lockdowns. Lockdowns were implemented when the hospital system in New York was overwhelmed, aiming to halt the spread of the virus. While lockdowns have gained a negative reputation, they were considered a last resort and were never intended to be permanent.

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I advised the president to shut down the country, despite knowing it would have significant economic consequences. I did not recommend locking anything down, but rather made a difficult decision to protect public health.

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I advised the president to shut down the country, despite knowing it would have significant economic consequences. I did not recommend locking anything down, but rather made a difficult decision to protect public health.

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The speaker criticizes prolonged lockdowns, stating that they have disastrous consequences for healthcare, working families, and lower-income individuals. They highlight the negative impact of missed cancer diagnoses, chemotherapy and immunization appointments, and the closure of schools leading to unreported cases of child abuse. They also mention a report stating that 1 in 4 young college-age Americans contemplated suicide in June. The speaker expresses frustration with public health experts, calling them failures for not considering the broader impact of lockdown policies and accuses them of causing harm.

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During COVID, I was on the board of my kids' school and initially supported a strict lockdown policy. However, I now realize that keeping kids out of school for longer had a greater negative impact than the risks. We all operated with imperfect information, including myself, the CDC, and the governor. Let's learn from this and hold each other accountable while showing grace and forgiveness. Unfortunately, about 1 in 5 US adults are unwilling to get vaccinated, making them the global runner-up in vaccine hesitancy. This means roughly 56 million Americans are 11 times more likely to die from COVID than the rest of the population. It's embarrassing that some Americans are playing Russian roulette with their lives and the lives of others. Despite this, America's healthcare response to COVID has been a victory, thanks to the vaccines.

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Living inside the Beltway, we didn't fully consider the impact of our decisions on people like Wilk and his family in Minnesota, far from the virus hotspot. Public health officials have a narrow focus on saving lives, disregarding the consequences of disrupting lives, damaging the economy, and keeping kids out of school. This mindset led to unfortunate mistakes in our recommendations.

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When COVID hit, the initial lockdown was meant to slow the spread, but it led to unforeseen consequences like educational gaps and mental health issues. There was a lack of planning for reopening schools and addressing the collateral damage. The speaker emphasizes the need for a better readiness plan for future pandemics and questions the role of government intervention. They advocate for less government involvement and more reliance on science.

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Living inside the Beltway, we didn't fully consider the impact of our decisions on people like Wilk and his family in Minnesota, far from the virus hotspot. Public health officials, focused solely on saving lives, disregarded the potential consequences on people's lives, the economy, and education. This narrow mindset led to collateral damage and was a mistake.

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According to recent analysis by professors of medicine and economics at Imperial and Manchester, the severity and duration of the first lockdown may have resulted in costs outweighing the potential benefits. The speaker apologizes for not being aware of this analysis and does not want to delve into the topic of quality life assurance.

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The lockdowns during the COVID pandemic were unnecessary and caused significant harm, with Australia following a global trend except for Sweden. The rollout of vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, has led to severe side effects, including an increase in cancer cases. Vaccinating children, who are at low risk from COVID, was especially misguided, as it was primarily aimed at protecting others. The vaccines were misrepresented as safe and effective, despite evidence to the contrary. The pandemic response appears to have been a controlled experiment, with significant negligence from health authorities. The origins of the virus point to a lab escape, raising further concerns about accountability and transparency in the handling of the pandemic.

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Many people under 60 without other health issues have died from this illness. It's important to consider that having no other health problems doesn't guarantee survival. It's also worth noting that drowning causes more deaths annually than this illness. Every death is tragic, but we must also consider the economic impact. The current recession is predicted to be the largest in 300 years, with a 14% shrinkage in the economy. This could lead to millions more unemployed, which can have its own deadly consequences. The collateral damage of fear and lockdown includes missed medical appointments and delayed treatments for serious conditions like cancer and heart disease. Lockdown may soon cause more deaths than the virus itself. The economic impact and the burden on the healthcare system need to be taken into account.

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Speaker 0 expresses clear personal hesitation about vaccines, stating that they are not jabbed and would not touch the experimental mRNA and gene therapy experiments, asserting there is a lot of concern about these technologies from many medical people. They reference political figures and media narratives, saying Kennedy in the United States will expose much of this material and that Donald Trump is keen to see it as well. Speaker 0 then recalls personal health concerns related to vaccination, mentioning friends who have experienced myocarditis, blood clots, strokes, and other problems after receiving the COVID jab, and emphasizes the idea of long-term effects being unknown. Speaker 1 counters by saying they still believe in vaccinations, but notes that no one on that side would discuss possible problems with vaccines, and they themselves got vaccinated multiple times and are now open to the idea that there might have been problems. They acknowledge the complexity of the issue and state they do not object to vaccines inherently. Speaker 0 clarifies their stance further, stating they are not a medical expert but their instinct was not to have the vaccine, and they acknowledge how difficult it was to avoid it since the state appeared to force people to receive it. Speaker 1 adds that their own vaccination status includes having been vaxxed several times, and they feel okay today, though they recognize the complexity of the situation and that long-term effects are uncertain. Speaker 0 then discusses the notion that the state and public health authorities pressured people to vaccinate, naming the NHS, Matt Hancock, and portraying the messaging as a duty to vaccinate “because you might kill granny,” mentioning Trudeau and the World Economic Forum Brigade as part of the broader narrative. Speaker 0 proposes an alternative approach: those who are vulnerable should isolate themselves. They reference Anders Tegnell’s approach in Sweden, which did not impose lockdowns. They claim Sweden’s economy hardly missed a heartbeat, in contrast to “ours,” and argue that the pandemic greatly disrupted young people’s lives and education, with knock-on effects described as huge. Speaker 0 concludes that those who made the lockdown decisions are not ready to admit they got it wrong, for a host of reasons.

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The speaker believes criticism of them is an attack on science. They stated vaccinated people don't need to worry about serious illness or transmission, but later acknowledged fully vaccinated people can transmit the infection. Masks were described as working "at the margins, maybe ten percent." School closures were considered an appropriate approach initially, but remote learning may have "forever damaged" kids, though the speaker doesn't believe it's "irreparably damaged anyone." The speaker claims they didn't recommend lockdowns, but recommended shutting the country down to the president, knowing it would have serious economic consequences. The speaker suggests the virus originated from the animal-human interface in wet markets, but that the place of origin was not within the market itself. Another intelligence arm concluded COVID began with a lab leak in China. The speaker denies the NIH funded gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute, while others claim NIH funded research that made a bat coronavirus more contagious. The speaker denies that this is gain of function.

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I did not recommend locking down schools. The CDC, as the public health agency, makes recommendations based on their epidemiologists and science. It was a decision made to recommend to the president, not mine to implement. I advised the president to shut down the country when there were only a few cases of community spread, before the major outbreak in the northeastern corridor.

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I advised the president to shut down the country despite knowing it would have significant economic consequences. I did not recommend locking anything down, but rather made the difficult decision to shut the country down.

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Lockdowns were the worst decision made during the COVID pandemic, causing unnecessary harm. The rollout of vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, has led to significant health issues, including an alarming rise in cancers. The vaccines were not true vaccines but rather gene therapies that could integrate into human genomes, raising serious concerns about their safety and effectiveness. Children, who faced mandates to get vaccinated despite being at low risk from COVID, may suffer long-term consequences. The entire pandemic response appears to have been a controlled initiative, with many governments ignoring prior pandemic plans that did not call for lockdowns. The situation reflects a failure of accountability among health authorities and raises questions about the motivations behind these decisions.

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I did not recommend locking everything down. I advised the president to shut the country down, which was a tough decision due to the significant economic consequences it would bring.

Uncommon Knowledge

What Happened: Dr. Jay Bhattacharya on 19 Months of COVID
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Peter Robinson interviews Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya, a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford, discussing the COVID-19 pandemic's response. The timeline begins with the WHO's announcement of a pneumonia cluster in Wuhan on December 31, 2019, leading to widespread lockdowns in March 2020. Bhattacharya published a Wall Street Journal article questioning the justification for these measures, citing a lack of evidence for their necessity. Drawing from his research during the H1N1 epidemic, Bhattacharya highlights the importance of understanding true infection rates and mortality. His seroprevalence studies in Los Angeles and Santa Clara counties revealed a much lower infection fatality rate than initially reported, suggesting that COVID-19 was not as deadly as claimed. He emphasizes the need for focused protection of vulnerable populations rather than blanket lockdowns, which have caused significant harm, including economic downturns and mental health crises. The Great Barrington Declaration, co-authored by Bhattacharya, advocates for protecting the elderly while allowing the rest of society to continue functioning. He criticizes public health officials for failing to protect vulnerable groups and for the disproportionate impact of lockdowns on poorer communities. Bhattacharya argues that public health messaging should prioritize trust and transparency, rather than coercion, to encourage vaccination and effective disease management. He concludes that a reevaluation of public health strategies is necessary to prevent similar failures in the future.

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The Doctor Is In: Scott Atlas and the Efficacy of Lockdowns, Social Distancing, and Closings
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Scott Atlas discusses the need to end lockdowns, arguing that initial COVID-19 mortality projections were exaggerated. He cites a study indicating that economic losses from lockdowns correlate with increased deaths, estimating that the lockdown has caused more lost years of life than the virus itself. Atlas emphasizes the importance of protecting vulnerable populations, particularly in nursing homes, while allowing the rest of society to resume normal activities. He criticizes public health officials for failing to assess the costs of lockdowns and for relying on flawed models. Atlas advocates for reopening schools and businesses, highlighting the negative impacts of closures on children and families.

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The Man Who Talked Back: Jay Bhattacharya On the Fight against COVID Lockdowns | Uncommon Knowledge
Guests: Jay Bhattacharya, Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins
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In March 2020, public health officials implemented lockdowns in response to COVID-19, which Dr. Jay Bhattacharya criticized, arguing they caused significant harm without substantial benefit. He co-authored the Great Barrington Declaration, expressing concerns about the negative impacts of lockdowns on physical and mental health. A Johns Hopkins study found lockdowns reduced COVID deaths by only 0.2%. Bhattacharya highlighted the devastating effects on children and vulnerable populations, particularly in poorer countries. He conducted seroprevalence studies revealing a much lower mortality rate than previously stated. Despite facing censorship and backlash, he advocates for focused protection strategies and calls for an honest evaluation of pandemic responses to prevent future public health failures.

The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

Covid 19: Silencing the Opposition | Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya | EP 334
Guests: Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya
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In this conversation, Jordan Peterson and Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya discuss the implications of COVID-19 lockdowns and public health responses. Dr. Bhattacharya emphasizes that the pandemic posed a significantly higher risk to older, obese individuals with comorbidities, while younger, healthier populations faced risks comparable to the flu. He criticizes the public health narrative that treated everyone as equally vulnerable, arguing it led to immoral demands on young people to sacrifice their lives for the sake of older individuals. Dr. Bhattacharya, a professor at Stanford, became a prominent voice against lockdowns, advocating for focused protection of vulnerable groups rather than broad restrictions. He faced backlash for his views, including accusations of misconduct related to his research on infection fatality rates, which suggested COVID-19 was less deadly than initially portrayed. He highlights the importance of open debate in science, lamenting that many scientists remained silent due to fear of social ostracism and professional repercussions. The discussion also touches on the role of fear and disgust in public health messaging, suggesting that these emotions were weaponized to enforce compliance. Dr. Bhattacharya argues that the lockdowns caused significant harm, particularly to the poor and vulnerable, and that the economic and social consequences will be felt for years. He calls for a thorough investigation into the decisions made during the pandemic, advocating for accountability and reform in public health practices to prevent similar overreaches in the future. The conversation concludes with a focus on the need for honest inquiries into the pandemic response, emphasizing that lessons must be learned to ensure that lockdowns are never again considered a viable solution. Dr. Bhattacharya expresses hope that future discussions will lead to a better understanding of public health and the importance of protecting individual freedoms.

Uncommon Knowledge

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: His new MLB COVID-19 Study and the Dilemma of the Lockdown
Guests: Jay Bhattacharya
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Dr. Jay Bhattacharya discusses his recent study on antibody prevalence among Major League Baseball (MLB) employees, revealing a low infection rate of 0.7%. This contrasts with higher rates found in other regions, indicating that MLB employees, who are primarily middle to upper-middle class, have been less exposed to the virus. The study highlights a socioeconomic gradient in infection rates, with poorer populations being more affected. Bhattacharya emphasizes that the epidemic is far from over, as over 99% of MLB employees have not been infected, suggesting a long way to go before herd immunity is achieved. He critiques the lockdowns, arguing they have negative health impacts and cannot eradicate the virus. Instead, he advocates for targeted protection of high-risk groups, particularly in nursing homes. Bhattacharya also notes that while testing is crucial, the current approach may not effectively manage the virus's spread. He concludes that both the health and economic consequences of the lockdown must be carefully weighed.

Mark Changizi

Stop comparing lockdown deaths to COVID deaths. Moment 76
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Mark Changizi discusses the concept of "lockdown deaths," which arise from societal and economic changes due to lockdowns. He notes that at least one-third of excess deaths in early 2020 were not COVID-related, stemming from altered medical practices. Changizi emphasizes that the relevant comparison is between lockdown deaths and the number of lives saved by interventions, highlighting a lack of correlation between government intervention stringency and pandemic severity. Ultimately, he argues that the focus should be on the impact of interventions rather than just the death tolls.
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