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Anthony Fauci and his understanding of evidence-based medicine is questioned by Speaker 0 and Speaker 1. They both agree that he seems to lack this understanding. Speaker 0 clarifies that they don't believe Fauci is intentionally misleading, but rather that his repeated phrase "trust the science" is akin to trusting a psychopath. Speaker 1 finds the concept of "trust the science" to be vague and questions its meaning, likening it to witchcraft.

A meme showing the evolution of CNN headlines about the COVID vaccine went viral. The headlines started with positive statements about vaccine protection, but gradually changed to include recommendations for masks, additional doses, and doubts about effectiveness. The speaker questions the claim that the vaccine is effective and criticizes the idea that questioning or opposing it is anti-science. They mention a video where FDA experts admit they don't know if the vaccine is safe for children aged 5 to 11, yet it was still approved. The speaker concludes by suggesting that if this is science, then science is uncertain.

The speaker suggests distinguishing between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Another person questions this, arguing that it infringes on human rights and that new variants have little impact. They present data from the UK to support their point. The first speaker emphasizes the importance of maximizing freedom for vaccinated individuals, especially for travel, as an incentive to get vaccinated. The second person accuses the first speaker of having ulterior motives, mentioning their connections to the pharmaceutical industry and past controversies. They strongly oppose the first speaker's involvement in public health and the protection of rights. The first speaker concludes by stating that vaccination is the path to freedom.

The speaker claims the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives but acknowledges side effects and breakthrough infections. The speaker argues that the vaccine was claimed to stop transmission and infection, but it did not. An argument ensues with someone who disagrees, with accusations of being crazy and shutting up. The speaker denies using ad hominem attacks.

Speaker 1 expresses concern about musicians who opposed lockdown mandates and later died from COVID-19, questioning the knowledge of non-experts in vaccines and public health. Speaker 0 responds by presenting various statistics and personal anecdotes to support their argument. They emphasize the importance of facts and share a story about a child who died from COVID-19 complications. Speaker 1 suggests publishing the data in a peer-reviewed journal, but Speaker 0 dismisses the idea, asserting their independence of thought. Speaker 0 criticizes Speaker 1 for not thinking critically and living in a "peer-reviewed bullshit world," highlighting the reality of people dying and the impact on families.

A speaker states that a large segment of the public feels betrayed by scientists who won't admit fault regarding COVID-19. They want to know why they were lied to and no longer care about lab funding. The speaker asks what the scientific community needs to say about lockdowns, masks, and vaccines to restore trust. Another speaker responds that they were a vocal advocate against lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and the anti-scientific approach of public health during the pandemic. They also believe that scientific institutions should be transparent about their involvement in dangerous research that may have caused the pandemic, referring to the lab leak hypothesis.

I now wear two masks for more protection. It's fascinating how that guy gaslights, even in Congress. Making it difficult for people to live their lives will make them drop their ideological beliefs and get vaccinated. Fauci denies that objections to COVID vaccinations are all ideological. It's concerning that he can backtrack on his statements as the head of the NIH and America's coronavirus task force. Translation: The speaker talks about wearing two masks for added protection and discusses how certain actions can influence people to get vaccinated. Fauci denies that all objections to COVID vaccinations are based on ideology, raising concerns about his credibility as a leading figure in the fight against the virus.

The speaker criticizes Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge about electron microscopy and medicine. They accuse him and other administrative figures of having personal agendas and making up rules. The speaker believes that the public cannot distinguish between good and bad scientists, which is a problem in the scientific community. They mention a request for Dr. Fauci to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject.

The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the organizations that claim vaccines are safe to provide scientific evidence to support their claims. The speaker believes that doctors are not scientists and argues that science is based on published research papers. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's pedophile scandal, where the institution was prioritized over protecting children. The speaker offers $100,000 to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They emphasize the importance of skepticism and the need to question those in power.

Humanity's tendency to focus on details and listen is questioned by one speaker. They criticize Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge in various fields and shouldn't be in his position. The speaker believes that those in power have personal agendas and make up their own rules. They accuse Fauci of lying and state that the public cannot distinguish between good and bad scientists. Science is criticized for being judged and funded by people who don't understand it. The speaker challenges Fauci to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject. They mention an invitation from the president of the University of South Carolina to have a balanced discussion.

Speaker 0 questions the idea that Doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions, seeking clarity on the claim. Speaker 1 says they are reasonable and that Fauci is not an innocent bystander; he is aware of what he’s doing, but the extent of involvement is not known to them. Speaker 2 cites the Center for Countering Digital Hate, stating Dirashad Bhattar is one of the top spreaders of COVID disinformation, once with more than a million followers. Bhattar allegedly claimed “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” and that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID nineteen vaccine.” He posted that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025,” and promoted the overarching conspiracy that COVID was a planned operation as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 2 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 2 confirms there is a suspicion of a plan to reduce the population, though Speaker 1 says they have no idea. Speaker 2 criticizes Bhattar, saying it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous and that Qatar (Qatar’s commentary) compares COVID and the vaccine to World War II and Doctor Anthony Fauci to Adolf Hitler. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking to what extent Fauci would be equated with Hitler. Speaker 3 asserts that lies cost lives in a pandemic, and that encouraging people not to vaccinate will cause people to lose their lives. Speaker 2 describes Qatar as encouraging distrust of life-saving vaccines and using false, twisted information and unproven conspiracies to do so. Speaker 0 asks if the COVID vaccine works. Speaker 1 states the vaccine is very effective at what it was designed for, but “it’s not preventing death. Certainly not.” Speaker 2 contradicts, claiming that Bhattar believes life-saving vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself, and Speaker 1 asks why the vaccine would cause more deaths than the problem itself, noting 6,340,000,000 doses administered. Speaker 0 requests the completion of a sentence about what each vaccine is geared up for, but Speaker 1 says he’s not a vaccine developer and mentions “Scientific corruption.” Speaker 2 notes Qatar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram due to disinformation but remains on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site, filled with falsehoods. Speaker 0 recalls a September 5 retweet of a doctored AstraZeneca packaging photo suggesting the vaccine was made in 2018; Speaker 1 says the photo was perhaps fake, and questions why Speaker 0 would challenge the agencies that have caused deaths. Speaker 0 argues it’s reasonable to question agencies, noting Speaker 1 had 1,200,000 followers who received false information; Speaker 1 admits if a tweet with a doctor’s photo was sent in error, it was a mistake, and he cannot make mistakes on the numbers. Speaker 2 notes vaccine studies showing vaccines remain ninety percent effective in preventing hospitalization and death, while Qatar claims the vaccine is the danger. Speaker 1 counters that thousands are dying and the delta variant is “vaccine injured,” citing CDC data, which Speaker 0 disputes as not true. Speaker 1 asserts he does not want to be part of a mass genocide and suggests this era will be remembered as a worst time in history, even worse than World War II. Speaker 0 concludes by calling Speaker 1 crazy. Speaker 2 ends with a reference to North Carolina’s Board of Medicine reprimanding someone prior to COVID.

A lady in Canada recently held a press conference urging people to get vaccinated and wear masks. The speakers discuss their observations on the vaccine situation, including the loss of jobs for those who choose not to get vaccinated. They mention that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission or guarantee protection from the virus. They also criticize the use of masks, stating that cloth and surgical masks are ineffective. The speakers express their disbelief and question the lack of scientific evidence supporting these measures. They speculate about the motives behind these decisions.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 engage in a heated argument about vaccination and mask-wearing. Speaker 1 claims to have natural immunity and refuses to wear a mask, while Speaker 0 defends the importance of following store and state requirements. Speaker 0 mentions that their wife is a doctor specializing in infectious diseases. The argument escalates with insults and accusations of harassment. Speaker 1 mentions voting for Trump and defends their choice not to get vaccinated based on a personal experience with their vaccinated mother getting hospitalized with COVID. The argument concludes with Speaker 1 expressing gratitude for the support of other individuals present.

Speaker 0 criticizes Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge in various fields. Speaker 0 argues that administrative figures like Fauci are disconnected from the realities at the bottom and have personal agendas. They accuse Fauci of making up rules as he goes and lying to the public.

Speaker 0 asks about the accuracy of claims that asymptomatic carriers exist and that children can be super-spreaders, questioning whether these ideas are true. Speaker 1 responds that these notions are complete nonsense and have never been shown; they are claims that have been spread as facts, and they consider that “criminal.” They state that the idea of asymptomatic carrier spreading the disease Covid-nineteen—which they describe as the pneumonia, not a cough but the pneumonia Covid-nineteen—is untrue and is backed by zero data. They emphasize that there is not a single case in the world documented, and conclude that the whole business is a fake. Speaker 0 follows up by asking whether these ideas are the basis for mask-wearing and many of the associated measures. Speaker 1 confirms, stating that this is “the inhuman part” of forcing people to wear masks “because of no reason,” describing it as taking away people’s rights as humans without reason.

The speaker praises the doctor for being a reliable source of information during the pandemic. They mention that the doctor discussed the origins of the virus, the effectiveness of vaccines and masks, and always provided objective and science-based information. The speaker then brings up a conspiracy theory about the doctor getting someone kicked off Twitter for questioning the COVID vaccine. The doctor chooses not to comment directly on the accusation and expresses concerns about social media platforms not being able to police threats made against individuals. The speaker clarifies that their own experience with COVID and vaccines has been positive. The doctor reiterates their concern about threats being made against people's safety on social media platforms.

There is a discussion about how public trust in vaccination has changed since the pandemic. The speaker notes that years ago there were “five people in the world who were prepared to talk about the thorny issue of vaccination.” Post COVID, however, “half the adult population of the world are now saying, hold on, we don't trust you. You lied to us. It's not what you told us, safe and effective.” This skepticism extends to vaccines given to children, with the question, “Does this apply to all the other vaccines you're putting into my kids?” The speaker then asserts that “safety studies haven't been done,” suggesting that important research behind vaccines is incomplete or lacking. This leads to the claim that “they've created this mess for themselves.” Despite the frustration, the speaker emphasizes the moral weight of deception, stating, “it's really tough to lie. I mean, lying gets you into real trouble.”

The discussion centers on COVID-19 misinformation and the roles of public figures and disinformation spreaders. Speaker 0 questions whether doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions. Speaker 1 says he cannot confirm involvement but asserts Fauci is not an innocent bystander and is aware of his actions; he doesn’t have the information to determine the extent of Fauci’s involvement. Speaker 2 identifies Dr. Dirashid Bhattar as one of the top spreaders of COVID-19 disinformation on social media, citing the Center for Countering Digital Hate, noting Bhattar once had more than a million followers. The dialogue includes several false or debunked claims attributed to Bhattar. Speaker 1 states that “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” a claim Speaker 2 labels as not true, along with Bhattar’s assertion that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID vaccine,” and his claim that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025.” Bhattar’s broader theory is that COVID was a planned operation, politically motivated as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 1 responds affirmatively but says he has no idea who is behind it. Speaker 2 warns that praising or repeating Bhattar’s views is dangerous, noting Bhattar’s use of false or twisted information to distrust vaccines. The conversation touches on whether the COVID vaccine works; Speaker 1 says the vaccine is “very effective at what it was designed for perhaps,” but “not preventing death.” Speaker 0 challenges this, and Speaker 2 counters that Bhattar doubles down on vaccines being more dangerous than the virus, even in the face of data. A numerical claim is raised: “6,340,000,000 doses of this vaccine have been given,” with implications if the claim were true. Speaker 1 says vaccines are designed with ingredients published and that each vaccine appears to be different, though he concedes not being a vaccine developer. Speaker 2 notes Bhattar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram for disinformation but remains active on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site. Speaker 0 references a September 5 retweet of a photo suggesting AstraZeneca was made in 2018; Speaker 1 acknowledges it could have been fake and questions why Bhattar would share such content. A combined exchange discusses questioning agencies and the consequences of misinformation, with Speaker 0 accusing Bhattar of contributing to a mass misinformation problem and Speaker 1 acknowledging the existence of a large follower base that has received false information. The dialogue closes with a mention of a statement from North Carolina’s Board of Medicine prior to COVID, implying regulatory context or action.

The speaker criticizes Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge in electron microscopy and medicine. They believe that most top officials, including Fauci, have personal agendas and make up their own rules. The speaker argues that the majority of people cannot judge good scientists, which is a problem in science today. They mention that Fauci has been asked to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject, as they believe he lacks understanding.

The speaker claims the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine, but an experimental gene modification therapy that doesn't work, citing instances of vaccinated individuals contracting COVID. They state that masks are ineffective against the airborne virus and that social distancing guidelines were based on fabricated information from a 19th-century scientist. The speaker believes the regulations were not based on science but were lies, and that the government suppressed non-mRNA vaccines. They recount an incident of being forced to wear a mask by a police officer in an airport. The speaker concludes that the issue is not about regulation or etiquette, but about lies and "neo-fascism," which they believe is what younger people dislike.

The speaker is questioned about his stance on childhood vaccines, with many scientific and medical organizations disagreeing with him. The audience asks how they can help him align with science. The speaker clarifies that he is not anti-vaccine, but believes vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medicines. He criticizes the lack of prelicensing placebo-controlled trials for vaccines and cites examples of potential risks and lack of long-term studies. The other speaker argues that there is evidence of vaccines preventing diseases and highlights the importance of distinguishing between association and causation. The speaker emphasizes the need for good science and questions the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies. The conversation ends with a discussion about the speaker's family not supporting his views on vaccines.

The speaker argues that there was no informed consent regarding the COVID vaccine, as the government and pharmaceutical companies knew it wasn't a traditional vaccine. They hid potential adverse reactions and lack of evidence on transmission prevention. Despite good intentions, people were misled into taking it.

The speaker questions whether the government was guessing or lying when they said that vaccinated individuals couldn't get the virus. The other speaker, who was part of the previous administration, acknowledges that there was evidence of natural reinfection during the global pandemic and that the vaccine was based on natural immunity. They suggest that the vaccine may not necessarily outperform natural infection. The first speaker then asks if the government was lying when they said the vaccine couldn't transmit the virus, to which the second speaker responds that it was more of a hopeful belief. The first speaker concludes that the government's statements were not truthful, leaving the options of guessing, lying, or hoping as possible explanations.

Speaker 0 argues that 'the trustworthiness of the information that we actually receive from the news media' is a major problem and notes that 'the easiest thing for our democratic colleagues to do is to scare people.' He asks, 'COVID nineteen was politicized?' Speaker 1 answers, 'the whole process was politicized' and says 'we were lied to about everything... the vaccines would prevent transmission' and 'they prevent infection'—claims he says are contradicted by 'the animal studies and the clinical trial showed.' He accuses the CDC of letting 'the teachers union' write school-closure orders that 'hurt working people all over the country, and then pretend it was science based.' He adds examples: 'Martin Koldor from Harvard' was 'ejected [from COVID]... because he wasn't in the orthodoxy'; 'FDA during COVID' officials 'Gruber and Krausz' criticized Biden mandates; Biden said, 'I would never take that vaccine, the Trump vaccine' then mandated it and fired top FDA officials who said it had not been properly tested.' The exchange ends with 'Yes.'

The speaker believes COVID vaccine programs should be stopped. They are astounded by the number of papers critical of the vaccine or showing negative effects. The speaker claims a group of researchers funded by Pfizer and the NIH bullies editors to retract papers with negative findings about the vaccine. They assert the number of retractions is appalling. According to the speaker, in one instance where an editor resisted, Nature Springer bought the journal and retracted the paper. The speaker states that this is what they have been dealing with.