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For years, I claimed that none of the 72 vaccines mandated for children underwent proper safety testing in placebo-controlled trials. When I confronted Fauci about this, he couldn't provide the study he claimed existed. After suing him, we received confirmation that no such study was ever conducted. The lack of liability and safety testing saves pharmaceutical companies significant costs, leading to a rush to add unnecessary vaccines to the schedule. This has resulted in a dramatic increase in chronic diseases among American children since 1989, including a rise in neurological disorders and autism, which has skyrocketed from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 34 today.

Vaccines don't cause autism. The science is clear. Vaccines don't cause autism. Vaccines do not cause autism. I do not deny that we need to do more about autism, but it has nothing to do with vaccines. We have thoroughly debunked any association between autism and these vaccines. Robert, it is nearly consensus in the scientific community that there's no link there. To deny a mountain of scientific evidence, which has already taught us that the combination of measles, mumps, rubella, or MMR vaccine doesn't cause autism, Vimerosal, an ethylmercury containing preservative that wasn't a number of vaccines doesn't cause autism, and that too many vaccines given too soon, if you will, doesn't also cause autism. We know that the schedule is safe. Are there peer reviewed scientific reports that indicate a link between No. Between vaccines and autism? No. Not only is there not a peer reviewed work, this is probably the most studied public health issue involving children. Vaccines are really the one thing we have looked at as causing autism. The Institutes of Medicine, the Centers for Disease Control have repeatedly investigated this. Vaccines do not cause autism. We don't need more research. At some point, enough is enough. It's fine to continue to collect data, but at some point, you have to take note for an answer. We're not sure what causes autism, but we know that vaccines do not. Mountains of evidence. No, you know, this has been looked at extensively. Nothing's been more studied in the world than this connection between vaccines and autism. We'd heard it. We've heard it for decades. You know, actually almost a century now, if you want to get into it. This has been the battle cry of the pharmaceutical industry and every shill that works for them. But whether you know it or not all the way back in 2020 for those of you that were watching then we actually disproved this myth right then. Debunked it with a lawsuit where we went at the CDC and said really if the head of your page on the CDC website says vaccines plural meaning all vaccines do not cause us to do we have that original website. This is what it said: vaccines do not cause autism. There it is. All vaccines doesn't say one of them or two of them all vaccines by the plural s at the end of vaccines. If vaccines do not cause autism will you please provide us with all of the evidence and studies that show that vaccines don't cause autism. Send us that evidence. Well they didn't and we sued them and we went to court. Back in 2020, we won the case. Here it looks like in the document. They gave us the list. It's actually 20 studies. 20 total studies make up the entire list of what they look to when they say that these childhood vaccines, the five, and the cumulative effects of them given in the first six months of life, do not cause autism. The first one is an MMR study. The second one an MMR and a DTaP study. The next ones are MMR, these four are MMR and Thimerosal studies. Then the next all the way through to 20 are all just Thimerosal studies. Lastly, we have one antigen study. Of the 20 studies, the first MMR studies are not in the first six months of life; Thimerosal studies show none of the vaccines in the first six months of life had Thimerosal. There was only one study relevant to the first six months of life, the IOM review of the DTaP vaccine, and it said there are no studies that prove or disprove the association with autism. Therefore, that was the only one that was relevant to the first six months of life, and it proved that they had no answers. And so for everyone that's ever sent Mountain of Evidence, that's been a lie. We won in court. It's a lie. You can take that to the bank. And actually just months after winning that lawsuit, that was in May, by August they pulled down the statement vaccines do not cause autism. We celebrated it but five months later it went back up and we've been stuck there with this propaganda statement that have no basis in science up until last night when this happened to the website. Let's see the new page. Here it is. It now says autism and vaccines and right under that it has the key points. So we read those key points. The claim vaccines do not cause autism is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism, meaning those vaccines in the first six months of life. Meaning the IOM lawsuit that proved that. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities. HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links. It does have an explanatory statement I want to read right now. It says this about why you will still see it with an asterisk the header vaccines do not cause autism has not been completely removed due to an agreement with the chair of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee that it would remain on the CDC website. Apparently, this was that backroom deal that was made with Senator Cassidy, of course, when Robert Kennedy Jr. was up there. But now you can see on the page it is clear we are making the statement or it's being made by the CDC that this is not a scientific statement and so ultimately this is a massive change. I tweeted out about it today and to every parent of an autistic child that's been out there. For every one of you that did interviews, whether in the film Vaxxed or when we toured the nation and for everyone that's ever been gaslit, the days of gaslighting are over. We are now moving into science-based, evidence-based statements on the CDC website. It's a beautiful day.

The speaker claims that the evidence around vaccines and autism in the U.S. consists of two flawed and fraudulent CDC studies. One study allegedly showed a statistically significant effect of the MMR vaccine, with 67% more boys receiving the vaccine on time being diagnosed with autism compared to those who waited until age three. The speaker says a whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward with this information in 2013 and 2014. The speaker also alleges that the Verstraten study in 2003 is flawed and fraudulent, accusing them of cherry-picking information from the Vaccine Safety Datalink. The speaker asserts there is a significant gap in the science around vaccines and autism, stating that safety cannot be determined by looking at one vaccine or component in isolation.

The speaker claims that measles was not deadly in the US after the early 1900s, citing improved nutrition and later, Vitamin A treatment. They believe contracting measles can be beneficial, leading to increased resistance to certain diseases. Regarding an outbreak in Samoa, the speaker alleges that a measles vaccine caused deaths, not measles itself, and that they did not influence policy there. They maintain that vaccines cause autism, referencing a CDC study on the hepatitis B vaccine that showed an elevated risk. They accuse the CDC of fraud, claiming a scientist named Paul Thornson produced a study to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism, stole money, and is now a fugitive. The speaker states there are hundreds of studies linking vaccines to autism and neurological injuries. They accuse the CDC of being controlled by the pharmaceutical industry.

Speaker 0 argues that the myth that vaccines are safe and necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease is false. He claims vaccines have never been tested for safety and that there are no placebo-controlled trials; in trials, the control group is given the immunogens that are in the vaccine, making the comparison deceptive. He emphasizes that vaccines typically contain a protein plus an accompanying substance—the adjuvant or immunogen—that stimulates an immune response, and that these adjuvants (such as aluminum or other substances) by themselves are dangerous. When the control group receives these adjuvants along with the experimental group, he says the side effects are similar, describing this as a “slight hand trick” and “extremely deceptive.” He notes that for the last forty years people have been shouting that there has not been a true placebo-controlled trial with saline. He then argues that if one looks at the history of all the childhood illnesses that vaccines target, they were almost all nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine. He claims that the impression vaccines stop childhood illnesses is not true; almost all illnesses had reduced to extremely low levels due to sanitation and hygiene, development, and some antibiotics. Regarding the vaccines themselves, he states that the true data and history of these vaccines are “really horrible.” He mentions a history of lack of safety and relates it to sudden infant death syndrome, asserting that it “suddenly came out of nowhere as we suspended the schedule” and asks when death occurs. He asserts that sudden infant death syndrome is reproducible in that it occurs at two months, four months, and six months, and that most of those deaths occur within days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine. He concludes with a strong personal stance: if he had his young children today, he would not give them a single vaccine.

Speaker 1 states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that while many used to die from these diseases, by 1964, only 300-400 Americans died, mostly malnourished children. They claim the World Health Organization says vitamin A is a cure for measles and that contracting measles as a child leads to greater resistance to cancers, atopic diseases, allergies, and heart disease. Speaker 1 denies causing a measles outbreak in Samoa, stating the prime minister had already banned the vaccine after deaths, and that the deaths were due to a bad vaccine from Australia given to people who already had measles. They maintain that autism is caused by vaccines, citing a CDC study that showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. They allege that studies claiming vaccines don't cause autism are fraudulent, citing a fugitive scientist, Paul Thornson, and that the CDC is dishonest and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry. They reference their book, "Let the Science Speak," which they claim contains 1,400 references and over 400 studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines.

The speaker discusses the issue of liability protection for vaccine manufacturers and the lack of safety testing for vaccines. They explain that in 1986, liability was taken away from manufacturers, leading to an increase in the number of vaccines given to children. They argue that vaccines should be tested for safety like any other pharmaceutical product, but this is not happening due to the lack of liability. The speaker also addresses the claim that vaccines do not cause injury, particularly autism, and highlights the lack of studies supporting this claim. They conclude by discussing the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development and the objections raised by religious groups.

The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.

Speaker 1 claims that measles was not deadly for healthy children in the past, citing vitamin A as a cure and suggesting that contracting measles can be beneficial for long-term health. Speaker 1 disputes the claim that they caused a measles outbreak in Samoa, stating that a measles vaccine from Australia caused deaths, not measles itself. They allege the prime minister had already banned the vaccine due to deaths, including family members. Speaker 1 asserts that vaccines cause autism, referencing a CDC study on the hepatitis B vaccine that showed an elevated risk of autism. They also claim that studies disproving this link are fraudulent, citing a fugitive scientist, Paul Thornson, and their own book with 1,400 references linking vaccines to neurological injuries. They accuse the CDC of being controlled by the pharmaceutical industry and spreading propaganda.

Checklist for summary approach: - Identify and restate the speaker’s claimed credentials (or lack thereof). - Capture the core activity described (deposing leading vaccine experts) and the basis for claims (actual evidence). - Note the courtroom principle contrasting titles versus evidence. - Outline the asserted strategic actions (legal action against specific agencies) and purported results. - Preserve the exact claim about the outcome of the lawsuits regarding vaccine safety science. - Present statements verbatim where feasible, and otherwise closely paraphrase to retain meaning. - Avoid adding judgments, external context, or evaluative commentary. Summary: The speaker introduces himself as Mister Siri and immediately clarifies that he is not a medical doctor, and not an immunologist or biologist or any kind of vaccinologist. He adds that despite lacking these titles, he “depose[s] them regularly, including the world’s leading ones with regards to vaccines,” and that he must base his claims on “actual evidence.” In describing his courtroom approach, he asserts that when he goes to court regarding vaccines, “I don’t get to rely on titles.” He then recounts a proposed strategic path he characterizes as a “genius way forward”: “We’re gonna sue the government agencies, HHS, FDA, NIH,” and he states that “we started winning.” The narrative then turns to the alleged outcomes of those legal actions, posing the question, “And what did we prove in those lawsuits?” followed by the claimed conclusion: “That the entire science behind vaccine safety was nothing but a complete fraud.” Throughout, the speaker frames the process as a shift from deference to credentials to a reliance on evidence obtained through deposition and litigation, culminating in purported victories against major federal health agencies. He presents the lawsuits as the mechanism by which the foundational science of vaccine safety was challenged, and he asserts that the result of these proceedings is a definitive statement that the science underpinning vaccine safety is fraudulent, as claimed within the transcript’s courtroom-centered account. The emphasis remains on the contrast between claimed authority and evidence-based legal challenges, as well as on the asserted procedural successes and the sweeping conclusion about vaccine-safety science.

The speaker claims that the CDC commissioned six epidemiological studies using fraudulent techniques, instead of comparing health outcomes between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. According to the speaker, a 1999 CDC study led by Thomas Verstraten compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. This study allegedly found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children. The speaker states that the CDC kept the study secret and manipulated it to bury the link by removing older children and stratifying the data. The speaker asserts that over 100 external studies indicate a link between vaccines and autism.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that deaths from measles primarily occurred in the early 1900s and among malnourished children. They allege vitamin A is a cure for measles and that contracting measles can lead to greater resistance to cancers, allergies, and heart disease. Regarding an outbreak in Samoa, the speaker claims they did not convince people to avoid the measles vaccine, asserting a ban was already in place after deaths caused by a bad vaccine imported from Australia. They state that the neighboring island of Tonga, which did not use the vaccine, had no deaths. The speaker maintains that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine. They allege that studies disproving this link were conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC and that the lead scientist, Paul Thorensen, is a fugitive wanted for fraud. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines and recommends their book with 1400 references and over 400 studies.

The speaker questions the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, particularly in relation to autism. They criticize the lack of long-term, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies on vaccines and highlight the conflict of interest between vaccine manufacturers and regulatory bodies. The speaker also discusses the high number of lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and the exorbitant markups on popular drugs. They argue that the current scientific evidence does not support the trust placed in vaccines and advocate for freedom of choice in healthcare decisions. The speaker claims to have a comprehensive review of the safety and efficacy of flu vaccines and mentions dissenting opinions on the connection between vaccines and autism.

"The myth of vaccines that, a, they are safe and, b, they are necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease, that is a myth." "They've never been tested for safety." "There are no placebo controlled trials." "They always put in the control group the immunogens that's in the vaccines." "That those adjuvants, whether it be aluminum or other substances, those by themselves are dangerous." "they refused to do a true placebo controlled trial like with saline." "they almost all were nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine." "That is not true." "It's reproducible, occurs at two months, four months, and six months." "And most of those deaths are within either days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine."

"There is not one longitudinal safety study on hepatitis b against unvaccinated kids versus vaccinated kids, inert placebo, does not exist." "The two studies that are cited most often, one is for MMR." "Hep B is not involved." "They're like, we did a huge study about this. No autism." "And I'm not suggesting there's a link. I'm simply saying that huge study is only MMR." "The other study they love to talk about involves thimerosal." "Not everything else about the hepatitis B vaccine." "There the there the reality is it's not settled science. Just it's okay." "Vaccines have like, we could but to even say that, anti vaxxer."

I asked if they could provide a single prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines required for American children. After searching, they claimed the documents were in Bethesda, but I never received them. We then sued the HHS under the Freedom of Information Act. After a year, they acknowledged they could not locate any prelicensing safety trials for the mandated vaccines. These vaccines come with zero liability. I am not anti-vaccine; I believe in honesty and good science. I've spent 30 years advocating to remove mercury from fish, and no one ever labeled me as anti-fish.

Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that measles was deadly in the early 1900s, but is now easily survivable, especially with Vitamin A. They claim studies show that contracting measles can make children healthier and more resistant to diseases later in life. The speaker denies causing a measles outbreak in Samoa, stating the Prime Minister had already banned the vaccine after deaths, and that people died from a bad vaccine imported from Australia, not measles. The speaker asserts that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism in children who received the hepatitis B vaccine within their first 30 days. They claim that studies disproving this link were fraudulent, conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC, and that the lead scientist, Paul Thorensen, is a fugitive wanted for stealing money. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking vaccines to autism and neurological injuries.

Speaker 0 believes vaccines are the cause of all disease. Speaker 1 disagrees, calling this a bogus statement, and claims that studies have only looked at two of 36 shots and one of 35 vaccines. Speaker 1 asserts that it is irrefutable that vaccines cause autism and accuses doctors of not reading studies and misleading parents. Speaker 0 says that Speaker 1 is antagonizing the medical community and Dr. Sears. Speaker 0 states the show is about helping kids and that yelling only causes anger. Speaker 0 feels attacked for being asked to defend their stance.

The speaker is questioned about his stance on childhood vaccines, with many scientific and medical organizations disagreeing with him. The audience asks how they can help him align with science. The speaker clarifies that he is not anti-vaccine, but believes vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medicines. He criticizes the lack of prelicensing placebo-controlled trials for vaccines and cites examples of potential risks and lack of long-term studies. The other speaker argues that there is evidence of vaccines preventing diseases and highlights the importance of distinguishing between association and causation. The speaker emphasizes the need for good science and questions the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies. The conversation ends with a discussion about the speaker's family not supporting his views on vaccines.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that measles was only deadly in the early 1900s due to malnutrition. They allege vitamin A is now a cure and that contracting measles can make children healthier, more resistant to diseases like cancer and heart disease. Addressing an incident in Samoa, the speaker denies convincing people to avoid the measles vaccine, asserting a ban was already in place after deaths caused by a bad vaccine imported from Australia. They claim no one died from measles itself, but from the vaccine. The speaker maintains that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism in children who received the hepatitis B vaccine. They allege that studies disproving this link were fraudulent, conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC, and that the lead scientist is now a fugitive wanted for embezzlement. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking vaccines to autism and neurological injuries.

Exhibit 22 is an excerpt from the IOM's report discussing whether DTaP or TDaP cause autism. The IOM concluded that there is inadequate evidence to determine a causal relationship. Speaker 1 points out that there are no studies showing that vaccines cause autism, except for one study by Guyer and Guyer, who lack legitimacy. They emphasize the need for a proper study involving controlled administration of vaccines. Speaker 1, as a physician, cannot definitively say vaccines do not cause autism, but they believe they do not. Speaker 0 questions if it is appropriate to make that claim without scientific evidence. Speaker 1 argues that they prioritize the child's health and are willing to say vaccines do not cause autism. The IOM did not review if DTaP causes leprosy.

If your kids were young now, would you vaccinate them for measles and mumps? No, I had measles as a child, and it was common. In the early 1900s, about 10,000 Americans died from it, mostly malnourished children. Healthy kids rarely die from measles, and studies show childhood measles can lead to better health later on. Regarding Samoa, I didn't convince anyone not to vaccinate; the prime minister had already banned it after vaccine-related deaths. No one died from measles there; it was due to a bad vaccine. I still believe vaccines cause autism. A CDC study showed a 150% increased risk of autism in children who received the hepatitis B vaccine early. Many studies, which I reference in my book, link vaccines to neurological injuries. The CDC's claims against this are propaganda influenced by the pharmaceutical industry.