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Speaker 0 explained that he didn’t intend to equate Ukraine’s situation with coercive recruitment in a country like Russia, but acknowledged the point. He suggested showing images of open-air forced recruitment. He asked Speaker 1 to describe what is seen.
Speaker 1 said that coercive recruitment happens on the basis of the law, which was the reason for his trouble with the word itself. He described the images as hard to bear and referenced experiences from the front near Donbas, where men were mobilized in similar ways—either put into buses, pushed, or dragged on the street. He noted that some men break windows of buses and flee toward the front.
Speaker 2 interjected briefly, saying he doesn’t want to downplay it but pointed out that desertion is also normal in Western militaries, giving examples from the USA, Iraq, France, and the UK, where 5 percent plus/minus desertion occurs in any case. He acknowledged the disturbing nature of the images but offered the broader context.
Speaker 1 added that they had spoken with a psychologist on the front (not a formally trained psychologist but one who became involved over time) who said roughly 30 percent of those who actually come are in that category, noting that the situation was different in 2022-23 when many volunteered. He insisted this does not imply there is an army that does not want to fight. To illustrate, he described conversations with Ukrainian colleagues in Kyiv, who work only with Ukrainians, about those who did not volunteer yet did not want to become Russian, nor lose their country. Some who did not want to fight still did not want to lose Donbas or the country, expressing a desperate plea for help and asking what Germany stands for behind Ukraine.
Speaker 0 acknowledged the dilemma and summed up the emotional impact of speaking with exhausted soldiers on the front who say they do not want to give up Donbas, do not want to keep fighting, and are asking for external assistance. They emphasize a need for Germany’s support.
Overall, the discussion centers on the complexity of coercion versus voluntary enlistment, the experiences of front-line mobilization and desertion, the psychological perspective on who actually ends up fighting, and the desperate calls for international support, particularly from Germany.