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Six years ago I made a film with Kathy Newman for Channel 4 called The Prince and the Pedophile about Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. In the wake of that film, I had lengthy telephone conversations with Virginia Roberts Giuffre (Virginia Dufry), Epstein’s best known victim, who told me all the men she was farmed out to and that it would not surprise me if President Trump was striving to protect those people. I don’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It’s pretty boring stuff. These people who gathered around Epstein were not outlandish freaks or outcasts; they were a representative sample of the American business, political, and academic world, the American elite. It’s hardly surprising that both parties, when out of power, demand openness around this case, but when in power they are less interested in all the names. He’s dead. He’s gone. It’s all been a big hoax, perpetrated by the Democrats, with some foolish Republicans falling into the net. Epstein was very probably connected to the intelligence services, to American and possibly Israeli intelligence. He may have had compromising material tapes of powerful men, contributing to why he got away with his actions for so long. He illustrates the power, privilege, and impunity of a tiny elite of fabulously rich people who effectively run the world. Virginia was aware of Donald Trump as a sleazy presence around Epstein and moved in the same world. There was a period when they were close friends, though she was clear she was never abused by him. Virginia was recruited by Epstein while working at Mar-a-Lago. In a 2002 magazine profile, Trump called Epstein a terrific guy who likes women, many of them on the younger side. Trump and Epstein later had a falling out, but they were part of that world together. Epstein died in a prison cell. Today, Trump is president. After coming to power, Trump’s Justice Department released the Epstein papers; the released versions were heavily redacted, while the versions we had were unredacted. I have the flight logs and the little black book. Alexander Acosta, Epstein’s ally and Trump’s Labor Secretary-designate, reportedly said in hearings that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to be left alone. Epstein had connections to intelligence services, probably Mossad and American intelligence. Ghislain Maxwell’s father, Robert Maxwell, had extensive intelligence links; he was buried on the Mount of Olives, with eulogies by Israeli figures. Virginia described the abuse she suffered at Epstein’s hands and the enablers around him, including Ghislaine Maxwell, whom Virginia called “Mary fucking Poppins” and described as a sadistic abuser and facilitator. Virginia told me she was abused by a string of men Epstein presented to her, including prominent figures in business and politics and, obviously, Prince Andrew and world leaders. The number of them who were sadomasochistic was extraordinary; one man nearly killed her. She was angry watching Prince Andrew’s interview, angered by his arrogance and belief he would get away with it. I can tell you categorically I don’t remember meeting her; there are questions about a doctored photograph. Epstein’s smirking was noted by someone who knew him, as if he knew things others didn’t. The Little Black Book was Ghislain Maxwell’s book, as evidenced by the British numbers versus American numbers, with many entries overlapping with the flight logs. Epstein referred to Peter Mandelson as “Petey,” and Mandelson is one of the two pictured with Epstein in a casual outing and at Epstein’s birthday. There is no suggestion Mandelson was criminally involved, but he was seen in Epstein’s circle, presenting a mysterious closed world of power. Epstein’s death has raised questions about surveillance footage; three minutes are missing from the prison surveillance released by the American government. Epstein, a former Bear Stearns employee and later involved in a pyramid scheme with Steve Hoffenberg, moved into advising Les Wexner and other ventures. He received a sweetheart deal in Florida in 2006–2007, serving about a year with day release, and only faced justice again in 2019. Epstein’s circle largely walked away unscathed. Virginia’s case did not progress in the UK; Prince Andrew was reportedly settled for about £12,000,000 to Virginia’s charity, a sum funded ultimately by the public. Virginia’s recent death involved a car accident and divorce troubles; conspiracies surround her death, though her family sees nothing suspicious. Virginia’s experiences, and the stories of Epstein, Maxwell, and others, highlight the power and privilege of the wealthy and privileged, and the need for independent media outlets like Double Dan News, which I urge you to support via Patreon.

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The speakers question how someone could be convicted of 34 crimes while no one on Epstein's list has been charged, suggesting a possible effort to protect pedophiles and asking why the FBI would protect the "largest scale pederist in human history." One speaker claims everyone in politics has a vice "much worse than alcoholism." There is a call to release the Epstein list. One speaker says the DOJ may release the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients and that it is sitting on their desk to review, directed by President Trump. They claim to have flight logs and names that will come out. One speaker says they will never let the story go because of what they heard from a source about Bill Clinton on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein. Another speaker expresses disbelief that people are still talking about Epstein.

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The speaker believes Kamala Harris is like a marionette controlled by over 100 "puppet masters," many of whom the speaker claims to know. The speaker would like to see a matchup of the top 100 puppet masters and the Epstein client list, believing there would be strong overlap. The speaker finds it mind-blowing that no one on the Epstein client list has been prosecuted, while many January 6th protesters have been imprisoned. The speaker thinks part of the reason Kamala Harris is getting so much support is that some billionaires are terrified that the Epstein client list will become public if Trump wins. The speaker believes people like Reid Hoffman and Bill Gates are nervous about this possibility. The speaker notes that Reid Hoffman was his vice president of business development at PayPal 24 years ago.

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The American people wanna know what happened on Epstein Island. "I'm not gonna drop this topic." You've subpoenaed Bill Clinton. He's gonna fight you tooth and nail, with the best lawyers in the country. Do you think Bill Clinton ever actually testifies? This is a bipartisan, congressionally approved subpoena, and I think that will hold a lot of weight in court. America wants to know what went on at Epstein Island. The Oversight Committee is going back to the earliest days of Jeffrey Epstein's involvement with the Justice Department, including Acosta, who said, I was told to go easy on him because he's intel. They're going back to Mueller as FBI director. Hillary Clinton is on the list—what does she have to do with Epstein? Flight logs. This is extremely broad: everything the DOJ has except the names of the victims. How did he die? The MAGA base has been vocal; they want to know answers.

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I saw Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton on the island. Dershowitz was there for a business meeting, while Clinton was sitting with Jeffrey Epstein on the porch, Epstein's favorite spot. There were no other guests present. I was surprised to see Clinton with Epstein.

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A source told the speaker that while on temporary assignment with Bill Clinton's security detail, the source witnessed Clinton boarding a plane with underage girls. The source claimed Clinton disappeared to the back of the plane with the girls, and after landing, the source refused to continue on the detail. Shortly after, all the agents on that detail began reporting their BlackBerries as missing. Later, while at Fox, a reporter told the speaker that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East, either wittingly or unwittingly. The reporter claimed the assumption that Epstein exclusively possessed the videotapes from his plane and island is a mistake. According to the reporter, other intelligence agencies may have had his plane wired and possess the blackmail material. The speaker suggests that foreign powers could be using these videos to influence powerful people.

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Bill Clinton is mentioned in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's island, which is described as a cesspool. The speaker claims to have knowledge of the planes associated with the island, but clarifies that they are not friends with the people involved. The speaker distances themselves from Epstein, stating that they threw him out of their club many years ago and never visited his island. They mention that others, including James Patterson, have also distanced themselves from Epstein. The speaker acknowledges knowing Epstein in the past but claims to have had a falling out and not being a fan of his for about 15 years.

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The speaker believes Kamala Harris is a "marionette" controlled by over 100 "puppet masters." The speaker claims to know most of them and suggests a strong overlap between these individuals and the Epstein client list. The speaker is surprised that no one on the Epstein client list has been prosecuted, while many January 6th protesters have been imprisoned. The speaker believes a reason for Kamala Harris's support is that if Trump wins, the Epstein client list will become public, which terrifies some billionaires backing Harris. The speaker specifically names Reid Hoffman and Bill Gates as potentially nervous individuals, noting Hoffman was the speaker's VP of business development at PayPal 24 years ago.

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"I have a headline here from the Washington Post that said Trump peddles false conspiracy theories tying the Clintons to several deaths." "the death of Mark Middleton, was a former Clinton White House aide, who was found dead dead on a Clinton Foundation property." "Sometime on May 7, Mark Middleton decided to drive 30 miles away from his home to the Heifer Ranch in Perryville and both hung and shot himself with a shotgun at the same time." "Arranged at least seven of the 17 visits that Epstein made to the White House and flew on the Lolita Express several times himself, according to Daily Mail." "They have filed an injunction arguing that blocking the release of the footage would halt a proliferation of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories." "The body count of the Clintons is well over a 100 that they've killed."

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The speaker states they had an interview with Virginia Roberts three years ago, but it was not aired. They were initially told the story was "stupid" because no one knew who Jeffrey Epstein was. The palace threatened them after finding out about Roberts' allegations regarding Prince Andrew. They feared losing access to interviews with Kate and Will, which further suppressed the story. Alan Dershowitz was also implicated. The speaker says Roberts had pictures and was in hiding for twelve years. The speaker claims they convinced her to come out and talk, and that they had information implicating Clinton, among others. They express frustration that the story is only now coming out. They also mention other women backing up Roberts' claims and Brad Edwards' assertion three years ago that Epstein was the most prolific pedophile in the country.

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Speaker 0 discusses Jerry Epstein and the Lolita Express, claiming Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s planes “like, on 20 flights,” and alleging Clinton flew to a Middle Eastern country with a “chic that's admitted pedophile with multimillion dollar checks and Bill Clinton on the plane.” They state Clinton is a “known sexual predator” and reference lawsuits against Donald Trump with Jane Does alleging involvement with Epstein, saying there was no proof in the law because they log flights on private jets, and asserting Trump “had been a defuse” (likely misstatement) of these claims. Speaker 1 shifts to John Podesta, describing him as a “progressive guru” and alleging he is connected to an “underage sex slave op,” and mentions “cover upper defending unspeakable dregs.” They question what MMFA is, and Jamie asks what it means. The term MMFA is identified in the dialogue as Media Matters. The speakers then discuss Soros and connect him to ownership of a pizza place where “this all went on.” They claim Media Matters’ head guy, David Brock, has a boyfriend and that the organization hosts major Democratic Party fundraisers. They mention “rock bands there” performing “live Spoken word dissertations of the love of children,” including references to men in goth drag speaking about their love for children. The speakers acknowledge not wanting to repeat some content and suggest they could pull up more footage of these claims. Speaker 1 asks rhetorically why this is such a bizarre subject and comments on the overall strangeness of the topic. Overall, the transcript presents an interwoven set of unverified allegations involving prominent figures (Epstein’s associates, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, John Podesta, Soros, and Media Matters), claims of underage sex operations, and allegations about events at a pizza place tied to Media Matters, including reportedly graphic performances by performers discussing love of children. The speakers imply a broader conspiracy or cover-up framework linking political figures, advocacy outlets, and entertainment venues to illicit activities.

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Speaker 0: "I don't understand why it's a hostile act. I talked to president Clinton... I'm sorry, president, Trump back in 2009 and several times after that. He didn't think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He told me things that were helping our investigation." Speaker 1: "The only thing... Trump is the only person who, in 02/2009, picked up the phone and said, let's just talk. I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll tell you what you need to know and was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us. And then we didn't have to take a deposition of him." "So Do you know if there's any truth to James Patterson's claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago?" Speaker 0: "I've definitely heard that." Speaker 2: "Epstein was inappropriate with the member's daughter. I went to mister Trump and he threw him right out." Speaker 3: "So it's your understanding then that president Trump didn't know what Jeffrey Epstein was up to?" Speaker 0: "That is correct." Speaker 2: "Epstein liked stars... He loaned Clinton his plane at least on four occasions and it was, it had to do with the foundation." Speaker 4: "The pilot said Trump was on the plane; it was actually a trip from Mar A Lago to New York, not to the island." Speaker 0: "And our investigation wasn't looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn't treat this as a hoax. I want transparency." Speaker 3: "Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein? No."

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The speaker discusses public outrage following claims from the Department of Justice and FBI that there was no Epstein client list, no blackmail, and that Epstein killed himself. Pam Bondi stated she had a file to review, including JFK and MLK files. While there may not be a single client list, Bill Clinton's name appeared in Epstein's phone log 21 times, and flight logs show numerous trips to Epstein's island. Bondi said flight logs with many names would be released, but they have not been. Bondi stated that thousands of videos turned out to be child porn downloaded by Epstein, but reports indicate Epstein's residences were rigged with video cameras capturing footage of bedrooms and bathrooms. The FBI seized hundreds of hard drives, USBs, CDs, and backup servers from Epstein's properties, some labeled "nude girl pics." Bondi had no knowledge of Epstein being an agent. Epstein had over $500 million and three US passports, plus an Australian passport listing Saudi Arabia as his home country. The speaker concludes that the current narrative attempts to rewrite what is known about Epstein and that the hope for transparency has been snuffed out.

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The speaker suggests focusing on Bill Clinton, the former president of Harvard, and hedge fund managers, providing a list of individuals who allegedly lived with Jeffrey Epstein. The speaker asserts they did not live with Epstein.

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Speaker 0 states that Speaker 2 has a reputation for texting underage girls. Speaker 0 claims Bill Clinton officiated Speaker 2's wedding with someone who was a right-hand person to Hillary Clinton in 2016. Speaker 0 mentions 650,000 emails and a folder with the words "life insurance," claiming that nine out of twelve NYPD cops who saw the email committed suicide. Speaker 0 then reads a list of 46 names of people close to the Clintons who have died, including James McDougal and Mary Mahoney. Speaker 2 accuses Speaker 0 of being a bully for reading the list and says Hillary Clinton is the problem. Speaker 0 asks how people close to the Clintons keep dying. Speaker 1 suggests cutting the list out, but Speaker 0 refuses.

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Epstein victim Virginia Dufres new book has just dropped and it is atrocious, the details. Virginia Dufres passed away in April of a suicide. Supposed suicide, maybe an actual suicide. It's unclear. She had insisted before her death that this book came out no matter what happens to her. She wanted this book published. It is now published. She points out many very powerful people. She doesn't name very many names. In the book, she does name prince Andrew, but there's others that she just alludes to. She calls them billionaire one, billionaire two, billionaire three, a sadistic prime minister, soon to be governor of a Western US state, and a former US senator. These are the titles that she gave in the book probably to protect the publisher. So who is she talking about? It's all still kind of speculative, based on her prior accusations in unsealed Epstein documents, she talks about the sadistic prime minister. Dufres describes an unnamed prime minister who raped her, choked her unconscious, laughing as she bled. This is Ehud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel. And at the time, he was the prime minister when he was doing this. That is the allegation. Barak was a close Epstein associate. He visited Epstein's island and New York properties multiple times, flew on the Lolita Express, received millions from Epstein for a security firm. Who are the billionaires? She lists billionaire one, billionaire two, and billionaire three. Billionaire one is likely Glenn DuBen, the hedge fund billionaire and cofounder of Highbridge Capital. Dufres alleged in 2016 that she was trafficked to him for sex. He and his wife, Eva, were close Epstein friends. Billionaire two is likely Thomas Pritzker. She claimed in court filings that she was directed to have sex with him. And billionaire three is likely Leon Black. This is the private equity billionaire and Apollo Global Management cofounder. Soon to be governor of a Western state, I think that is probably Bill Richardson. New Mexico governor Bill Richardson. Dufry accused him in a 2016 deposition of having sex with her while underage. He was a former US energy secretary, UN ambassador, and frequent Epstein guest. He was often on the flight logs for the Lolita Express. The former US senator is likely George Mitchell of Maine who served between 1980 and 1995. Dufry alleged in 2016 testimony that she was directed to have sex with him. He was a frequent Epstein associate and later a Middle East peace envoy under Obama. She endured many horrors. It was absolutely terrible. Her book is atrocious. I mean, this young girl, here she is at 13 years old. This is when they snatched her up basically from Trump's Mar A Lago and used her and abused her. And everybody knew it. Everybody knew it. She was so young. This is why we want the Epstein files. We wanna know who was involved because they should be held accountable. But we also wanna know who was involved because we wanna know who's been compromised.

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There's a massive difference between Donald Trump who banned Epstein from Mar A Lago when he found out about his disgusting hobbies and somebody like Bill Clinton who rode shotgun to Epstein's island doing who knows what with who knows who after getting out of office. One rejected the predator and the other partied with him. And that's what Gen is frustrated with. We want accountability. We want transparency. That's not what we had under the Biden administration. And that there is exactly why we voted for Trump. He's performed CPR on the American dream. This time last year on Abiodunatics, thankfully, we have a president who's going to start addressing that, and we need to see that soon before the midterm.

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Speaker 0 claims the impeachment process was against the American people and that Obama "stole everything," leading to people being on Epstein Island "raping and eating those babies." They cite flight logs as evidence that "they all knew who he was, what he did, where he did it." Speaker 0 believes the "real problem is pedophilia" and that exposure will start "the party." Speaker 0 does not wear a mask because it is a "hoax" with a "ninety nine point seven percent survival rate." They accuse Bill Gates of trying to "cram his vaccine down my throat" and ask if he went to Epstein Island. Speaker 0 states that "Epstein and Weinstein just doesn't sound like a Presbyterian problem to us." Speaker 0 references "truck twenty twenty" and accuses someone of "throwing an octogenarian at us struggling with dementia, trying to hide liquor on his breath, dealing with a son who just got a stripper pregnant down in Arkansas, cheating on his dead brother's life."

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The transcript centers on explosive allegations and questions surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, his associates, and possible intelligence connections. It begins with a report that the Wall Street Journal obtained Epstein’s private calendar, which allegedly shows meetings with powerful figures who would seem unlikely to associate with a convicted sex offender. Epstein allegedly met Catherine Rumler, one of Barack Obama’s top lawyers, and Rumler reportedly met Epstein dozens of times. Epstein supposedly tried to set up Rumler to work for Bill Gates. The narrative raises the question: how could Epstein be a fixer between Obama’s lawyer and Gates? The account continues with Epstein meeting Joe Biden’s CIA director, though it notes that Burns was not CIA director at the time but Obama’s deputy secretary of state, working under John Kerry at the State Department, and later becoming CIA director. It is claimed that Burns went to Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse, where Epstein’s activities included sex with underage girls and video of others doing the same. The speaker speculates about whether Burns saw a portrait of Bill Clinton in a blue dress in Epstein’s parlor. The timeline suggests that Epstein was arrested and later hanged in jail with security camera failures and guards asleep, and that two years afterward Biden appointed Burns as CIA director. The implication drawn is that Epstein was an intelligence asset, potentially connected to the CIA, Israeli intelligence, and possibly Russian intelligence, and that he was allowed to traffic and molest girls for blackmail material. The speakers say they asked CIA director William Burns why he met with a convicted sex offender; Burns replies that Epstein was introduced as an expert in the financial services sector and offered general advice on a private-sector transition, and that there was no formal relationship. The narrative asserts that this interaction could explain a 2002–2006 sweetheart deal, a prison-cell cover-up, and why Epstein’s tapes went missing, with Fed seizure of tapes and only madam Ghislaine Maxwell arrested since then. There are testimonies about Epstein’s access to sex tapes and the belief that the CIA possesses them and has used them for blackmail, including “hours of video” from Epstein Island, the Manhattan townhouse, the Palm Beach estate, and a New Mexico ranch. Bill Clinton is said to have flown on Epstein’s plane multiple times and to have been close friends with him. Separately, Epstein is described as obsessed with transhumanism and life-extension technologies. The New Mexico ranch is claimed to be a base for impregnating women to seed humanity, with allegations of 20 women pregnant at once, and an 8,000-square-foot underground level at Zoro Ranch. A submarine license allegedly held by Ghislaine Maxwell and transport to Epstein Island via underwater submarine port is mentioned, as is proximity to a US military submarine base near St. Thomas and Water Island, owned by Joe Biden’s brother. The transcript also references various other strange claims: Epstein’s dinners with tech elites such as Bill Gates and attempted contacts with Elon Musk; a controversial SCNT discussion about using the DNA of “curvy, sexy black women from Africa”; questions about missing or underground locations for children; and a closing note that people may be acting under orders or threats related to tapes. Overall, the piece presents a tapestry of alleged high-level connections, missing evidence, blackmail material, and conspiratorial episodes surrounding Epstein and his network.

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There is a discussion about a potential disconnect between the Democratic Party's brand and President Biden. The term "existential threat" is used to describe Donald Trump. However, Speaker 1 brings up Hillary Clinton's involvement in a fake dossier to remove a sitting president and mentions her connection to Jeffrey Epstein. Speaker 1 questions why Epstein and his clients were not considered an existential threat, suggesting it may be due to Bill Clinton's association with Epstein. The conversation then shifts to the lack of public disclosure regarding Epstein's client list.

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Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

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Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein's infamous island are discussed in this video. The speaker mentions that the island was a cesspool and suggests asking Prince Andrew for more information. They also mention that some people are friendly with Epstein, but they are not friends themselves. The speaker considers Epstein a potential political problem for someone running for president. Another speaker denies being a fan of Epstein and claims to have distanced themselves from him many years ago. They state that they were not a fan of Epstein and had not spoken to him in about 15 years.

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Speaker 0 says it's "preposterous that we were talking about Hillary Clinton's emails again in the year 2025," that "they get activated," and that Trump won't be blamed for not releasing the Epstein files, "We spent years on this story." Speaker 1 counters, "No. Let let me you you had to take this story seriously for years, and it was false. It wasn't false." He asserts that "When Trump won in 2016, the intel community concluded that Russia didn't have a hand in his victory," but "Obama determined and wanted a new conclusion," sending "Brennan" to "come up with a new collusion," and insists "There was no proof." They claim "They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016." He adds, "The Democrats never cared about Epstein until they saw a political motivation," while noting "the right is more on top of Epstein" and that "We actually cared," concluding with "Save me your selective outrage."

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Speaker 0 asks, “How did you kill Jeffrey Epstein? … you’re not in power, but you have all the power.” Speaker 1 responds that “The things they say are so ridiculous. Honestly, I don’t know what I ever did to get them so upset.” Speaker 2 says, “My father is no different than any other powerful man. Any man who’s responsible for other people, like a senator or a president.” Speaker 1 counters that he sounds naive; Speaker 2 asks, “Why?” Speaker 1 asserts, “Senators and presidents don’t have men killed.” Speaker 2 retorts, “Oh, who’s being naive, Kaye?” Speaker 3 mentions a fellow discussing becoming their next congressman, Bill Clinton, calling him a new man. Speaker 4 delivers a hopeful closing address about trusting each other to forge a future that will enrich their lives, strengthen traditions and faith, and make them proud they gave their best; God bless you all. Speaker 5 discusses the term “Clinton body count,” saying it’s become common in pop culture. It’s based on the claim that numerous people connected to Bill Clinton—critics, opponents, associates, and witnesses—died in mysterious ways, far too many to dismiss as coincidence. The term first appeared when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, with at least 20 people connected to him murdered or dying mysteriously, mostly around the CIA’s illegal activities at Mina Intermountain Municipal Airport, part of the Iran-Contra affair, involving smuggling drugs and guns through Mina, Arkansas to fund a revolution in Nicaragua. Speaker 6 explains that the Contras were former Sandinista military officers who had been kicked out of Nicaragua in 1979 and were trying to retake the country with CIA aid. He notes the Contras were a creation of the CIA and were dealing drugs in Los Angeles and elsewhere; drug traffickers met with CIA agents, and the influx of cheap cocaine into South Central Los Angeles coincided with the rise of crack, describing a historical collision. Speaker 5 recalls it was bombshell news in the 1990s when Clinton’s involvement with Mina and the growing number of dead witnesses were covered in documentaries, and even mainstream news covered CIA drug smuggling; however, the narrative moved on to Monica Lewinsky, cigars, and oral sex, and Mina “never happened” in the mainstream. Speaker 7 recounts an encounter with a supervisor in the Saline County Criminal Investigation Division who urged him to drop the case, suggesting it could cause grief if pursued. Speaker 5 notes that the first two names on the list are women: Suzanne Coleman (or Susan Coleman) and Judy Gibbs, with Coleman allegedly pregnant with Clinton’s child and dying of a gunshot to the back of the head; Gibbs dying in a house fire amid rumors of compromising photos with Clinton. Speaker 8 asks about a lobby display. Speaker 9 asks if it’s taken care of. Speaker 5 elaborates: Judy Gibbs, a former model, left modeling to marry Bill Puterbaugh; his son Randy claims Puterbaugh’s father posed Judy for sex with Clinton to gain political favor; Judy’s death followed a fire at their home after a brother-in-law, Dale Bliss, was caught molesting a boy, with a hidden window found of Clinton having sex with Judy; Gibbs and Puterbaugh died in the fire. Judy’s sister Martha and Randy believe Clinton was responsible for Gibbs’s death. Speaker 0 reports Sundinista troops moving from Nicaragua against contras in Honduras. Speaker 8 notes a killer blow to crush freedom fighters while Congress withholds aid and they can’t be resupplied. Speaker 10: Nicaragua’s Sandinistas invade Honduran territory after taking a house vote, with about 1,500 troops; Ortega warns US intervention will lead to war. Speaker 5: On 10/05/1986, a CIA airplane was shot down over Nicaragua; pilot Eugene Hasenfuss captured; he testifies at a press conference that he was part of Operation Enterprise to supply Contras with weapons supervised by the US government. Speaker 0: Hasenfuss described being brought to Miami by former Air America pilot William Cooper and assigned to fly weapons to the Contras. Speaker 12: Hasenfuss testified that flights aimed to resupply the FDN and UNO teams of the Contras. Speaker 0: Under questioning, Hasenfuss did not repeat a charge that two Cuban Americans working with him were CIA operatives. Speaker 5: This linked to the Reagan White House, known as the Iran-Contra affair; the operation involved supplying the Nicaraguan Contras with untraceable weapons, funded by illegal weapons sales to Iran and cocaine distribution through Mina, Arkansas; profits laundered through organizations such as the Arkansas Development Finance Authority created by Webster Hubbel and signed into law by governor Bill Clinton. Oliver North took the blame during hearings; Clinton’s involvement appeared evident as the operation ran through Arkansas. Speaker 13: Barry Seal, a drug smuggler in the Mina operation, set up in Louisiana but moved to Arkansas due to a “sleazy governor,” noted as Bill Clinton being hooked on cocaine. Speaker 14: Clinton was hospitalized for cocaine abuse on at least one or two occasions. Speaker 5: The Mina case involved corrupt cops, judges, and politicians in high positions to support drug smuggling and money laundering. Things progressed until 1987’s events around Don Henry and Kevin Ives. Speaker 15: In 1982, Barry Seal set up a major drug-smuggling operation in Mina under Clinton’s oversight; Seal became an informant for the DEA after a sentencing deal. Speaker 11: Seal was killed in 1986; Milam, a witness, was decapitated in 1987; Malik, Arkansas’s medical examiner, ruled Milam’s death an ulcer and later had the head found elsewhere; questions were raised about Malik’s competence and independence. Speaker 18: The head’s disappearance and later discovery drew scrutiny toward Clinton’s influence over Malik. Speaker 19: The question remains whether stages of the investigation revealed that these deaths were connected to Mina. Speaker 20: Witnesses including Jean Duffy and Keith McCaskill faced threats and murder as investigations pursued the Mina drug operation; several witnesses and officials were murdered or died under suspicious circumstances. Speaker 3, Speaker 1, Speaker 5 discuss the breadth of cases and the idea of a Clinton body count, involving many names and alleged connections to Mina, the Iran-Contra operation, and drug smuggling and its coverups. Speaker 21: Kevin Ives and Don Henry were claimed by some to have been on a drop site; initial autopsy ruled death by train after drugging with marijuana; later autopsies contested this, showing stabbing and skull crushing before being placed on the tracks. Medical examiner Malik’s rulings were criticized; Don Henry and Kevin Ives’s deaths remained a focal point of alleged coverups; the grand jury investigation faced obstruction; witnesses died, and some investigators faced danger or were removed. Speaker 22: The narrative includes multiple other individuals—Gregory Collins, Jeff Rhodes, Richard Winters, Jordan Kettleson, Colonel James Sabo, Arkansas investigator Russell Welch—killed or attacked amid ongoing investigations into Mina’s drug operation and associated corruption; the pattern of deaths persisted through 1992. Speaker 24: A 1983 awareness of a smuggling operation at Mina Airport; 1991 anthrax infection of a government figure; journalist Danny Casalaro found dead in a hotel bathtub in 1991; 1992 security figure Gary Johnson survives a home invasion; 1992 Jennifer Flowers era and related deaths; Plane crash of Victor Razor and his son in 1992; Paul Tully’s death in a hotel room in Little Rock; Paula Grober’s death in a car accident; 1992 ski accident death of Jim Wilhite; the phrase Clinton body count remains associated with these mysteries prior to Clinton’s presidency. Speaker 9 notes Republicans blaming the existence of a small base at Mina on George Bush and Oliver North; the question of national security is raised. Speaker 12 concludes that the airport and events were primarily matters for federal jurisdiction; state had little to do with it.

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Speaker 1: "It absolutely was" for Comer to send subpoenas to the Clintons, arguing Democrats tried to redefine Epstein as anything but "the fact that Democrat billionaires and Democrat political leaders went to Epstein Island all the time." He adds, "What you saw in the House's subpoena is they are trying to investigate all of the things related to this particular case," noting "Clinton ... allegedly, he went to the island 26 times, 28 times," and calls it "totally appropriate for Comer to be asking what was going on with that island." He advocates indictments in the Russia collusion matter, claiming "they defrauded the American people" to push Hillary Clinton's campaign talking points, and "laundering" them through the intelligence services, a "violation of the people's trust." He explains: "There was no meeting at my house last night," but confirms a White House meeting not about Epstein, and says the president wants "full transparency" with "thousands and thousands of documents." He vows to focus on 2026 midterms before discussing 2028.
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