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The speaker admits they once believed vaccines were one of humanity's most important inventions, citing polio and smallpox eradication. However, after reading Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s book and "Turtles All the Way Down," their views shifted. The speaker notes the existence of another book with the same title and nearly identical cover that promotes vaccines, which they see as a deliberate attempt to confuse people. They initially dismissed RFK Jr. as an "anti-vaccine kook" based on a casual narrative, but now regrets that judgment after reading his book and speaking with him. They admit to succumbing to the common perception of RFK Jr. as someone with a weird voice who is ruining the world's immunity.

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The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the credibility of doctors and organizations that support vaccine safety, stating that real science is found in published research papers. The speaker offers a $100,000 reward to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's handling of the pedophile scandal, emphasizing the importance of looking at the science and being skeptical of those in power.

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"I don't know what happened in 1990. There was no plague that was killing children that we had tripled the amount of vaccines." "Happened after 1989? The vaccine schedule. Born to 26 more vaccines. Agreed. Are all of them absolutely necessary?" "They wanna make money." "It's twice as many as anywhere else in 30 countries in the Western world. But We give twice as many shots as any of those countries." "Should you educate yourself. We wanna empower parents to educate themselves. Do we need to have the chicken pox? Do we need the hepatitis b shot on the second day of life?" "I don't think we can afford to assume that the people who are charged with our public health any longer have our best interest at heart all the time."

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Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

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The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the organizations that claim vaccines are safe to provide scientific evidence to support their claims. The speaker believes that doctors are not scientists and argues that science is based on published research papers. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's pedophile scandal, where the institution was prioritized over protecting children. The speaker offers $100,000 to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They emphasize the importance of skepticism and the need to question those in power.

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I serve on the FDA's vaccine advisory committee because I don't have relationships with pharmaceutical companies, as that would be a conflict of interest. I actually agree with some of the things my counterpart says, such as we are too obese as a country, and we overmedicate our children. I wrote a book about this called Overkill When Modern Medicine Goes Too Far. However, I don't agree with claims that vaccines are harmful, as has been said. RFK Jr. continues to claim that vaccines cause autism, which is untrue, and he's now targeting childhood vaccines, which will only hurt children.

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I believe in safe vaccines, robust science, and independent regulators. The problem with vaccines is that they have become profitable, leading to an increase in the number of vaccines given to children. In 1986, a law was passed that protects vaccine companies from being sued, removing their incentive to make vaccines safer. The four companies that make all 72 mandated vaccines have a history of wrongdoing. There is a body of science that supports my position, but I won't go into it here. The few studies that exist are flawed and written by industry and the CDC. The Institute of Medicine has criticized the CDC for not properly studying the link between autism and vaccines. Big tech companies like Facebook are censoring vaccine information. I am not anti-vaccine, but I advocate for safe vaccines.

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I'm speaking out because my fully vaccinated son, Jackson, had health issues. With SB277, my perfectly healthy, vaccine-free five-year-old can't attend school in California. I cried for weeks, feeling I was meant to fight a company bigger than some countries. I used to sell Vioxx at Merck, which was later found to have manipulated data and covered up heart attack risks. This made me realize things on the market aren't always safe. If a vaccine is added to the schedule, drug companies can make billions. I cannot stay silent. Pharma influences medical education and research, leading to biased studies. The FDA and CDC are compromised, with conflicted leaders and revolving doors. Pharma creates customers for life, especially with vaccines for kids. They prioritize profit over people, and it's up to us to take back our health.

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Why did the number of vaccines triple after 1989? Are all of them necessary, or is it about profit? The US gives twice as many shots as other Western countries. Parents should educate themselves, and decide what is absolutely necessary. Do we need the chicken pox vaccine, or the hepatitis B shot on the second day of life? We can't assume public health officials always have our best interests at heart. Parents need to make educated decisions and look at the information. Space out vaccines, delay them, and clean out the toxins. Why wouldn't doctors want to learn more about preventing disease? The AAP and medical schools are financed by drug companies, and vaccines are the fastest-growing part of the pharmaceutical industry, a 13 billion dollar business. We're asking them to take a loss for the good of our children, which is a tough sell.

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Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

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The speakers discuss the increased number of vaccines since 1990 and question if all are necessary. One speaker claims the US vaccine schedule includes twice as many shots as other Western countries. They suggest parents should educate themselves, space out or delay vaccines, and clean out toxins. One speaker believes public health officials may not always have people's best interests at heart. They claim the AAP and medical schools are financed by drug companies and that vaccines are the pharmaceutical industry's largest growing division, worth $13 billion. They suggest asking pharmaceutical companies to take a loss for the good of children is a tough sell.

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Speaker 0: "the major problem in our government right now is that it's one with corporations." "corporate corruption collusion with the government" drives a lot of content. "it's easier for big pharma to do their thing if people aren't really talking about it." "they... try to make it a cultural issue." "vaccines to me is not really a cultural issue. It's a scientific medical situation." "It's insane." They discuss: "Does a newborn really need hepatitis b? What are these adjuvants in these vaccines like aluminum? Do we need these things? Are there safer alternatives?" "If you just say that, then all of a sudden, you're an anti vaxxer. That's a pejorative that's placed on you, and now you're a crazy kook, and you're not trustworthy." "If there's people out there to demonize you, that means you are pushing against something that there's a barrier that they don't want you to cross." "It's almost like China's social."

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Big problem with trusting the science is not the science part, it's who's behind the science part, primarily in the area of vaccines for children. Normally, when you study a drug, you compare it with a placebo, so that way you can truly test the side effects on something, but that is not how they test children's vaccines. This so called placebo control is not really a true placebo control because it's not inert. It's an active vaccine with something called an adjuvant. The big one that they've been using for a long time is aluminum. My question is, how can you really truly test the safety and effectiveness of something if you're looking at the relative safety of an active vaccine to another active vaccine with adjuvants. That just muddies the water to this whole safe and effective claim that you keep hearing over and over and over.

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The speaker respects Bobby but says he "turned on" him early and "flat out lied" about things. Specifically, Bobby allegedly lied about the speaker getting sick for two or three days, claiming it was due to a vaccine. The speaker says Bobby "weaponized" and "misled" about what he had. The speaker claims to have been leading the "make America healthy" cause for decades, stating it started in California. He cites the Skittles ban and past efforts to remove red dye. While admiring Bobby, the speaker believes there is a lot of "mis and disinformation" regarding vaccines that has hurt public health.

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Dr James Dunchwander, a physician with dual board certifications in emergency and integrative medicine, has spent 32 years evaluating thousands of children. He notes that parents, to their dying breath, say a vaccine caused their child to descend into autism, or a vaccine caused their child's neurologic disorder, asthma, eczema, or food allergy. He acknowledges a huge disconnect between what these parents are telling us and what is taught in the field. As an ER physician, he warns that ignoring mom or dad is perilous, but he is not here today to debate the safety and efficacy of vaccines. He will, however, challenge each member of the room to that debate and challenge the CDC, the NIH, and any university to a public forum, but he believes it will never happen because “The science isn't there.” He states that the biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy in this country is the lack of true vaccine science. He asks the committee to please the community council and to do their job. He admits he used to naively think that ASAP based all their recommendations on rigorous study of multiple trials determining safety and efficacy, but has since learned that ASAP is simply participating in an industry-wide phenomenon he terms junk science. He contends that junk science has allowed, with respect to colleagues in the room, the presentation of papers and studies that would never pass the rigors of a peer-reviewed journal if they were on any subject other than vaccines. He cites an example: a GSK paper on their MMR vaccine in which ten percent of these healthy 12-year-old babies ended up in an emergency room in six weeks, and two and a half percent of them developed a new chronic medical condition. He notes this was not compared to a placebo group or a delayed vaccine group, but to the current MMR two vaccine, describing the situation as the moral equivalent of comparing ten shots of whiskey to nine shots of whiskey and a shot of vodka, and saying vodka doesn’t cause intoxication. He also asserts that junk science allows vaccines we know don’t work to be doubled down, increasing the dose and frequency. He recalls seeing the committee in the last meeting look at the pneumococcal vaccine and say it doesn’t work, yet leave it on the schedule and leave it up to clinicians to determine whether to give it to a patient. He finishes by stating, “Please do your job.”

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"There is not one longitudinal safety study on hepatitis b against unvaccinated kids versus vaccinated kids, inert placebo, does not exist." "The two studies that are cited most often, one is for MMR." "Hep B is not involved." "They're like, we did a huge study about this. No autism." "And I'm not suggesting there's a link. I'm simply saying that huge study is only MMR." "The other study they love to talk about involves thimerosal." "Not everything else about the hepatitis B vaccine." "There the there the reality is it's not settled science. Just it's okay." "Vaccines have like, we could but to even say that, anti vaxxer."

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Speaker argues, "if this was a religion, if this was Christianity, this is their Jesus. Vaccines is their Jesus." He says Stanley Plotkin "has finally given in and admitted that ... we were all exactly right" and "We never did the safety trials on any of the vaccines." "We win lawsuits against government agencies." Aaron Siri and others testified before Congress, saying, "you've never done a proper safety trial." In cross-examination, it is asserted that "the issue of whether vaccines cause autism has been thoroughly researched and rejected" and "It's your testimony that MMR vaccine cannot cause autism." He also testifies that "hep b vaccine cannot cause autism?" "That's correct." The dialogue notes "There have been studies that have found an association between hepatitis B vaccine and autism," but "Not studies that I feel are credible." The speaker concludes: "This book is not worth the paper it's written on."

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People dismiss this guy because of his voice, it's hard to listen to sometimes. The condition he has, you would think there'd be some way to address it. He believes that the condition came from a side effect of the flu vaccine, which he used to take every year. So he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic. Those things don't work either. Even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many times more likely to catch other things. We're messing around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs. The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans.

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I support discussing issues like obesity and overmedicating children. Bobby Kennedy is fighting against the incentive for pharma to profit from sick children, and he's supporting efforts to remove soda from SNAP. The problem is that organizations like Merck don't have children's best interests at heart, considering their history of criminal penalties for misleading information. When the data isn't on their side, RFK Jr. and personal injury lawyers attack the person. My Merck chair is defined by Penn, and there's no quid pro quo. The science continually proves RFK Jr. wrong about vaccines.

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"I don't know what happened in 1990. There was no plague that was killing children that we had tripled the amount of vaccines." "Happened after 1989? The vaccine schedule mourn to 26 more vaccines. Agreed. Are all of them absolutely necessary? They wanna make money." "It's twice as many as anywhere else in in 30 countries in the Western world." "But We give twice as many shots as any of those countries." "Should you should educate yourself. We wanna empower parents to educate themselves." "Do we need to have the chickenpox? Do we need the hepatitis b shot on the second day of life?" "I don't think we can afford to assume that the people who are charged with our our public health any longer have our best interest at heart all the time." "Parents have to take have to make their own decisions, educated decisions."

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The speaker argues that the vaccine program should stop and that injecting foreign matter into babies cannot be considered an improvement to their health. They reference Peter McCullough as someone who said the program needs to halt. They criticize the expansion of vaccine policy since the 1986 Act, which granted liability protection for the trio of vaccines (MMR, DPT, and polio) at the time, and suggest there was no foresight about expanding to multiple doses of many vaccines for little babies. Now that this has happened, they insist it must end. They point to polio as an example, noting that children still receive four polio vaccines even though polio has not appeared in the Western Hemisphere since 1991, and that the World Health Organization declared the region polio-free in 1994. They question why four doses of polio vaccines, which contain monkey kidney cells and formaldehyde, are given for a disease the region is no longer exposed to. They ask, “Why? To protect against what? That’s not even here.” They extend the argument to “the same thing” with other vaccines. The speaker asserts that measles has not been deadly since 1963 and explains that the measles virus has a life cycle in which an outbreak occurs roughly every four years regardless of vaccination rates. They make a similar claim about pertussis. They argue that injecting foreign matter into children does not improve their health and is not preventing deadly diseases that are now treated with antibiotics, steroids, inhalers, and other therapies. They point out that it is not a big deal to have multiple tetanus shots and still contract tetanus, using this as evidence about the effectiveness of tetanus vaccination. Overall, the speaker contends that the concept of deadly diseases being eradicated by vaccines is a multi-generational myth and that vaccines are not reliably protective. They argue that the practice has run its course and that it is overdue for the entire vaccine program to end, suggesting that it did its job and should now be discontinued. The concluding stance is that the multi-generational myth of deadly diseases and the safety and protection of vaccines should stop, and that the program should be ended.

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The speaker is questioned about his stance on childhood vaccines, with many scientific and medical organizations disagreeing with him. The audience asks how they can help him align with science. The speaker clarifies that he is not anti-vaccine, but believes vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medicines. He criticizes the lack of prelicensing placebo-controlled trials for vaccines and cites examples of potential risks and lack of long-term studies. The other speaker argues that there is evidence of vaccines preventing diseases and highlights the importance of distinguishing between association and causation. The speaker emphasizes the need for good science and questions the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies. The conversation ends with a discussion about the speaker's family not supporting his views on vaccines.

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Speaker 0 initially considered people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. "crazy anti-vaxxers." Invited to a church event in Murrieta, California, to hear Kennedy speak, the speaker admitted to Kennedy that they were trying to determine if he was "a crazy anti vaxxer." After listening to Kennedy's presentation on vaccines and injuries, the speaker felt regret for having fully vaccinated their children. This experience led the speaker to begin reading vaccine package inserts, something they had never done before due to their complexity. Upon examining these inserts and the studies included, the speaker concluded that the studies were flawed and the benefits of the products were minimal. The speaker claims this applies to both vaccines and drugs.

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The speaker, recently retired from a local hospital, claims widespread disbelief in flu shots among colleagues due to data issues, stating "the efficacy and I won't give you data. You created the data. Ten percent one year, eighteen percent the next, forty percent at best." They describe the flu vaccine given to children aged two to eight for nearly four years as ineffective, with a claimed three percent efficacy at times. The speaker contrasts this with their hospital experience, where doctors, nurses, medical assistants, patient care, and lab staff did not believe in the flu shot, until mandates and recommendations arrived. They express relief at retirement, saying their soul was sick about what they witnessed, and that conflicts of interest prevented them from speaking out while employed. They recount working on high-volume ER days with about 300 flu cases daily and claim they never contracted the flu, attributing this to personal practices: washing hands, taking vitamin D, and using a berry syrup. The speaker criticizes the shift from physicians and nurses to pharmacists administering the vaccine, accuses the system of bribing people with Target gift cards and marketing the vaccine as free, and denounces scare tactics. They observe an increase in vaccination across generations, noting "some of you are my age," with their generation having seven shots, their daughter ten, her son around sixty, and their new grandson expected to receive seventy-two vaccines, expressing shock at this escalation. The speaker references Robert F. Kennedy Jr., saying he fights for them and goes to court for kids who suffered, noting that Kennedy's family started Special Olympics. They claim that in Kennedy’s view, autism linked to vaccines is evident since there were no autistic kids in the past four decades, and allege that vaccines have caused autism. They describe watching a perfectly healthy two-year-old become a "severe autistic child" after vaccination, expressing certainty that autism exists because of vaccines. They forecast their 10-year-old grandson becoming an adult who, at age 40, would be walking in the mall with a diaper and a helmet. The speaker ends by thanking studies they claim are not done and reiterates their stance against vaccines, including autism implications, as presented in the narrative.

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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry

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Tucker Carlson interviews Aaron Siri, Bobby Kennedy's lawyer, discussing Kennedy's nomination by President Trump for Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). Siri argues that Kennedy has a significant following, making it difficult for opponents to attack him directly, leading to preemptive discrediting efforts. The New York Times accused Siri and Kennedy of attempting to eliminate the polio vaccine, which Siri refutes, clarifying that a petition he filed questioned the safety of one specific polio vaccine licensed in 1990, not the entire vaccine itself. Siri explains that the petition sought a review of the vaccine's safety, which was based on a clinical trial that only monitored safety for three days post-injection and lacked a control group. He emphasizes that this inadequate review process raises serious safety concerns, especially given the rise in chronic health issues among children since the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which granted vaccine manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Siri highlights that the increase in childhood vaccines from three in 1986 to 29 today correlates with a rise in chronic health conditions, suggesting a need for thorough safety studies. He notes that many vaccine-injured individuals are often highly educated and informed about vaccine safety, contrasting with the public perception of vaccine skeptics. The conversation shifts to the emotional and ideological fervor surrounding vaccines, with Siri suggesting that those who demand vaccination often exhibit a religious-like belief in their efficacy. He discusses the historical decline in diseases like measles, attributing it more to improvements in sanitation and nutrition than to vaccines, and criticizes public health authorities for not acknowledging these factors. Siri also addresses the financial interests of pharmaceutical companies and the conflicts of interest within regulatory agencies like the FDA and CDC, which promote vaccines while also overseeing their safety. He argues that the current system is flawed, as it protects manufacturers from liability while leaving injured individuals with limited recourse. The discussion touches on the challenges faced by those who oppose vaccine mandates, particularly in the context of recent COVID-19 vaccine policies. Siri recounts his legal battles against vaccine mandates, emphasizing the importance of informed consent and the rights of individuals to make medical decisions for themselves and their children. In conclusion, Siri expresses hope for Kennedy's confirmation, asserting that his leadership is necessary to address the chronic health crisis in America and to promote transparency and accountability in vaccine safety.