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Speaker 0 suggests giving a child who hasn't received any immunizations before six different injections at once. Speaker 1 confirms that a six-month-old would receive DTaP, polio, and Hep B vaccines. They discuss the use of aluminum adjuvants in vaccines to make them more effective. Speaker 1 asks about the form of aluminum used in vaccines, and Speaker 0 mentions that ingested aluminum is different from injected aluminum. They discuss the safety of injected aluminum and its ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Speaker 1 asks about antigens bound to aluminum and their role in creating antibodies. They also mention the presence of animal and human parts in vaccines. Speaker 0 is unsure about the specific details. They discuss the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine production and the presence of cellular debris in vaccines. Speaker 0 relies on CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations for vaccine safety. They consider family history factors, such as immune suppression, when determining vaccine recommendations. They clarify the type of polio vaccine used in the United States.

The speaker believes all vaccines are suspect. As an emergency medicine physician, the speaker thought vaccines only contained a dead or attenuated virus and saline. In September 2000, after reading a package insert and researching vaccines, the speaker was mortified to learn that a child receiving all scheduled vaccines gets almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, almost 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 chemicals. The speaker states that this is why vaccines have never been proven safe, and vaccination is like injecting foreign matter into a baby.

We've already taken out and are in the process of taking out mercury and aluminum now. You know what mercury is? You know what aluminum is? Who the hell wants that pumped into a body? And there were rumors about both of them for a long time, but, we're having them taken out. We're having them taken out of the vaccines.

"I don't know what happened in 1990. There was no plague that was killing children that we had tripled the amount of vaccines." "Happened after 1989? The vaccine schedule. Born to 26 more vaccines. Agreed. Are all of them absolutely necessary?" "They wanna make money." "It's twice as many as anywhere else in 30 countries in the Western world. But We give twice as many shots as any of those countries." "Should you educate yourself. We wanna empower parents to educate themselves. Do we need to have the chicken pox? Do we need the hepatitis b shot on the second day of life?" "I don't think we can afford to assume that the people who are charged with our public health any longer have our best interest at heart all the time."

Speaker 0 suggests that a child who hasn't received any immunizations will have to endure six injections at once. Speaker 1 confirms that a six-month-old would receive DTaP, polio, and Hep B vaccines. Speaker 0 mentions that the type of Hep B vaccine depends on previous sessions. The same applies to a two-and-a-half-year-old. Speaker 1 questions why aluminum adjuvants are used in vaccines, to which Speaker 0 replies that they make the vaccine more effective. Speaker 1 asks about the form of aluminum and its effects, but Speaker 0 is unsure. They discuss the quantity of ingested and injected aluminum, but Speaker 0 believes the amount in vaccines is safe. Speaker 1 questions the ability of aluminum to cross the blood-brain barrier, but Speaker 0 is unaware. They also discuss antigens, macrophages, and vaccine ingredients, but Speaker 0 lacks specific knowledge. The conversation ends with Speaker 1 asking about family history factors and the type of polio vaccine used in the US. Speaker 0 provides some clarification.

"Inert should mean that the substance does not cause a chemical or biological reaction in the body." "Paul Offit routinely calls mercury and aluminum inert even though they are known neurotoxicants." "Philip Grandjean and Philip Langegon, they're the best two toxicologists in the world. They published a study in 2014 that says both aluminum and ethyl mercury are known neurotoxicants." "In the context of vaccines, placebo should mean saline as verified by independent third party testing." "FDA has no regulations concerning the contents of placebos." "manufacturers can put whatever they want into the comparator intervention and can still call it a placebo by law." "A double blind randomized controlled trial should have two groups." "That's not what the supporters of the status quo mean when they say randomized control trial." "That's why we're in this mess. That's why we have an autism and chronic disease epidemic in this country."

- The meteoric rise in autism is among the most alarming public health developments in history. There's never been anything like this. - And now it's one in thirty one, but in some areas, it's much worse than that, if you can believe it. One in thirty one. - For boys, it's one in twelve. - And by the way, I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and don't take any pills that have no autism, that have no autism. - They're pumping it looks like they're pumping into a horse. - You have a little child, little fragile child, and he get a a vat of 80 different vaccines, I guess. - 80 different blends, and they pump it in.

The speaker argues that vaccines should be administered in smaller doses over several years: "when you go for the shot, you do it over a five time period. Take it over five times or four times, but you take it in smaller doses and you spread it out over a period of years." They describe the process as "they pump so much stuff into those beautiful little babies, it's a disgrace" and say, "they pump it looks like they're pumping into a horse." They claim, "you have a little child, little fragile child, and you get a a vat of 80 different vaccines, I guess, 80 different blends, and they pump it in." The speaker further states, "ideally, a woman won't take Tylenol." And suggests, "instead of one visit where they pump the baby, load it up with stuff. You'll do it over a period of four times or five times."

The speaker claims the six-month well baby visit is the most dangerous because babies get 10 vaccines at once. The newborn Hep B vaccine contains a dangerous form of aluminum. The one-year or 15-month visit is also risky due to the MMR vaccine's "undeniable" relationship to autism. At that visit, children may also receive chicken pox, Hep B, Prevnar, Tdap, COVID, and flu shots. The MMR and chickenpox vaccines contain four live viruses, which is a high risk for seizures. The speaker alleges vaccines load children with aluminum, creating inflammation, leaky gut, and leaky brain. Giving live viruses to children in this state causes brain inflammation and regression into autism. The vaccine schedule is a disaster and has never been studied in its entirety. Individual vaccines have not been studied with a proper placebo and only look at short-term side effects.

- "This is this is thimerosal, which is labeled very toxic." - "Has cumulative effects, can cause damage to the kidneys, to the respiratory system, skin, to the nervous system." - "Specifically warns on here that it can cause reproductive and developmental toxicity, meaning that it can cause things like autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. This is immensely toxic stuff." - "And this is what's in the vaccine." - "Vaccines are a big one because, of course, you're directly injecting it." - "the influenza vaccine is now recommended for all pregnant women, all infants, all children on a yearly basis." - "They add thimerosal at each step because the factory is not clean and not sterile." - "Thimerosal, twenty five micrograms of mercury per dose." - "They weren't aware that even the word Thimerosal meant mercury."

Why did the number of vaccines triple after 1989? Are all of them necessary, or is it about profit? The US gives twice as many shots as other Western countries. Parents should educate themselves, and decide what is absolutely necessary. Do we need the chicken pox vaccine, or the hepatitis B shot on the second day of life? We can't assume public health officials always have our best interests at heart. Parents need to make educated decisions and look at the information. Space out vaccines, delay them, and clean out the toxins. Why wouldn't doctors want to learn more about preventing disease? The AAP and medical schools are financed by drug companies, and vaccines are the fastest-growing part of the pharmaceutical industry, a 13 billion dollar business. We're asking them to take a loss for the good of our children, which is a tough sell.

Laura Logan hosts a discussion with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on vaccines, public health policy, and what they see as failures and harms within the system. The conversation weaves together personal history, policy details, scientific debates, and broader social concerns, intercut with promotional content for GiveSendGo. Key points and claims raised by Dr. Tenpenny - Vaccine ingredients and aluminum exposure: Tenpenny asserts that if someone receives every vaccine on the schedule, they would be injected with a total of about twelve thousand micrograms of aluminum, which she says is inflammatory to every organ system and can be stored in bones (60% of aluminum exposure). She notes aluminum is present in vaccines in order to replace mercury, which she describes as also a poison. - Early vaccine industry liability and the 1986 Act: The discussion explains that prior to 1986 there were liability concerns for vaccine makers due to injury lawsuits. Tenpenny recounts that in 1986 Congress passed a law giving the pharmaceutical industry liability immunity for vaccines, creating what she describes as a ramp in the vaccine schedule. She cites that by 1991 additional vaccines were introduced (Hep B at birth, Hib, chickenpox, Prevnar, Gardasil, Hep A, and more) and alleges this resulted in a rising autism incidence aligned with new vaccines. - The vaccine injury system: Tenpenny explains the Injury Compensation Act and the existence of VAERS as a tracking system, along with a separate pathway created under the PREP Act (the Preparedness and Readiness Act). She states that during the COVID era a separate program, the Covered Countermeasure Program (CICP), existed under the PREP Act, but it had no funding and a one-year statute of limitations, leading to under-compensation and very few adjudicated cases; she contrasts this with the earlier 1986 act, which funded vaccine injury compensation through the Federal Court of Claims and VAERS. - Perceived safety and effectiveness concerns: The speakers discuss studies suggesting that the flu shot might not prevent flu and that some studies indicate vaccines including pneumonia vaccines may be associated with higher risk of the conditions they aim to prevent. Tenpenny frames this as evidence of cracks in the vaccine program and argues that vaccines are linked to a broad spectrum of health issues, including autoimmune diseases, infertility, and cancers, which she says have been increasing. - Pediatric vaccination schedule and “pediatric poisoning program”: Tenpenny asserts that infants receive multiple injections early in life, with claims that by age two they will have thousands of micrograms of aluminum and other compounds that remain in the body, including in the brain. She characterizes the pediatric schedule as a systematic poisoning program for children and a parallel “adult assault program” for adults receiving vaccines. - COVID-19 vaccine controversy and health impacts: The conversation covers the COVID vaccines, including assertions about adverse effects such as myocarditis, strokes, kidney injury, autoimmune diseases, neurological issues, and cancers. Tenpenny describes long-term concerns (long COVID, autoimmune diseases) and claims of widespread injury and death, contending that the pandemic revealed how the health-care and pharmaceutical systems operate, including alleged corruption and profit motives. She discusses the difficult experiences of families during the pandemic, including restrictions on care and the use of alternate treatments like ivermectin in some cases. - The claim that COVID vaccines were not properly evaluated and that mandated vaccination reflected coercion: The speakers discuss mandates and the experiences of individuals in workplaces and educational institutions who faced pressure to receive vaccines, including religious exemptions and disputes about mandates. Tenpenny suggests a broader pattern of overreach in public health policy and questions about the balance between individual rights and mandates. - History and philosophy of public health programs: They discuss the Healthy People initiatives, arguing that the program’s goals have expanded in scope (from 15 goals to 1,200 for Healthy People 2030) and that the expansion is associated with greater surveillance and control over personal lives. Tenpenny claims that this is part of a broader trend toward data collection and governance of individual health and behavior. - The economics and incentives around vaccines: The conversation notes how physicians are compensated in part through vaccine administration, implying financial incentives influence clinical decisions. Tenpenny emphasizes the profit motive behind vaccines and the pharmaceutical industry’s financial interests, citing extreme examples like the one boy in a photo who allegedly became heavily medicated due to vaccines. - The role of media and information control: They discuss the influence of advertising in media since the 1990s and the difficulty of reporting critically on vaccines when major advertisers are pharmaceutical companies. They also mention AI and misinformation concerns, including examples of AI fabricating sources and the need to verify information. - Personal stakes, accountability, and political possibilities: Tenpenny discusses personal cost for challenging the vaccine paradigm, including an earlier period of potential licensing scrutiny and professional pushback. She names figures such as Fauci and Birx, argues that accountability has not yet occurred, and expresses hope that public interest in accountability could shift through advocacy and political leadership, citing RFK Jr. as a potential ally though acknowledging political and institutional obstacles. - Treatment and detoxification approaches: For those who have already received vaccines, Tenpenny outlines two separate tracks: detoxification for childhood vaccines and detox for COVID vaccines. For detox, she mentions products such as PureBody Extra (PBX), a zeolite-based supplement she says helps remove metals like aluminum and mercury from the body. She notes it is usable across age groups and even for pets, and she personally uses it. She also discusses non-specific detox approaches such as vitamin D optimization, lymphatic stimulation, exercise, and a diet focusing on avoiding white foods and reducing inflammation. She cautions that there is no proven blood or urine test to quantify spike protein after a COVID vaccine, and that detox strategies aim to support overall health rather than remove embedded spike protein from tissues. - The role of faith and resilience: The interview includes discussions of faith as a guiding force for Tenpenny, including her personal journey toward Christian faith in 2020. They reflect on fear, hope, forgiveness, and the idea that one can act with integrity and do the right thing even when faced with controversy or personal cost. They discuss existential questions about meaning, purpose, and moral responsibility, including the belief that life has a spiritual dimension that informs how to respond to public-health challenges. - Community and parenting: The conversation emphasizes the importance of community networks for new parents, including seeking mentorship from experienced parents and trusted health advocates, and maintaining parental agency in decisions about vaccines, medical interventions, and child-rearing. They discuss the value of critical thinking, asking questions, and avoiding blind trust in professionals or institutions. - Closing notes and resources: Tenpenny provides her websites and a Substack for ongoing information, including dr10penny.com, dr10penny.substack.com, and 10pennywalkwithgod.substack.com, as well as her X profile busy doctor t. The episode closes with a call to viewers to stay informed and to seek second opinions, while thanking the audience for supporting independent journalism. Overall, the dialogue centers on a critical, conspiratorial framing of vaccines, public-health policy, and the medical establishment; it weaves together testimonies about personal experience, policy history (notably the 1986 Act and the PREP Act), alleged systemic failures in compensation for vaccine injuries, criticisms of COVID-19 responses and vaccine mandates, and practical detoxification and faith-based guidance. The promotional content for GiveSendGo lightly interrupts the core discussion, but the majority of the exchange remains an extended argument about vaccine safety, accountability, and the perceived influence of big pharma on health care and public policy.

The speaker states they used to believe inoculations were an elegant, minimal intervention with large benefits. They now consider injecting anything into tissue with a hypodermic needle a radical intervention. They argue that comparing mercury in shots to mercury in tuna is a game of smoke and mirrors because there shouldn't be mercury in tuna, the amount in tuna isn't trivial, and there's a huge difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it. The body doesn't have mechanisms to deal with injected mercury, so the consequences are arbitrary. While they still believe vaccination is potentially valuable, they do not trust the mechanisms that generate or test these products for effectiveness or safety.

"Parents should really stick the course and make sure that their children get all of the routine childhood vaccinations." "The American Academy for Pediatrics has reaffirmed that infants, children between the ages of six months and two years should get their COVID shots." "The first encounter with COVID should be with the shot, not with the virus." "There is still a very high risk in younger children, particularly six months to two years for hospitalization and severe complications if they get COVID." "And pregnant women should be getting the COVID vaccine." "Routine childhood vaccines have actually been thimerosal free for years now." "Aluminum nudges the immune system so that you get a longer lasting, more robust immune response with fewer doses." "There's no evidence that it's harmful." "There is a very strong track record of vaccines in randomized placebo controlled trials."

I also, and we've already done this, we want no mercury in the vaccine. We want no aluminum in the vaccine.

"It's always just been extraordinary that we're afraid of the measles." "It actually bolsters your immune system." "So it prepares your immune system." "To be afraid of the measles is just really rather silly." "If you are deficient in vitamin A for example, we know that vitamin A is associated with poorer outcomes with measles." "When you talk about a measles outbreak, there are far more adverse reactions that are going to occur from vaccinating people with, we know now, dangerous vaccines like the MMR vaccine, and there's more and more coming out about the MMR vaccine that shows that it's not safe and shouldn't be used." "There's a huge push to give them more and more injections, and that push comes from corporations that couldn't care less about your children." "It's just money."

"The myth of vaccines that, a, they are safe and, b, they are necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease, that is a myth." "They've never been tested for safety." "There are no placebo controlled trials." "They always put in the control group the immunogens that's in the vaccines." "That those adjuvants, whether it be aluminum or other substances, those by themselves are dangerous." "they refused to do a true placebo controlled trial like with saline." "they almost all were nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine." "That is not true." "It's reproducible, occurs at two months, four months, and six months." "And most of those deaths are within either days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine."

- There's no proof unvaccinated children start epidemics. Some practitioners claim unvaccinated children are healthier. - Some believe vaccine dangers are becoming clearer, questioning the assumptions of protection and preventing spread. - Breast milk is claimed as sufficient vaccination. - Some vaccines contain egg protein, gelatin from pigs, and human albumin, which could be problematic if the individual is unhealthy or develops antibodies. - Some vaccines contain MRC-5 human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue. - Human DNA in vaccines is typically fragmented. - Thimerosal, a toxic substance containing mercury, is in some vaccines and can cause reproductive and developmental toxicity. - Some medical professionals were unaware that RhoGAM contained thimerosal or that thimerosal meant mercury. - Injecting aluminum into babies has never been tested for safety. - Mercury, formaldehyde, and antifreeze are claimed to be in vaccines. - These substances allegedly go to the brain, causing encephalopathy. - Over $3.5 billion has been paid in damages to children injured by vaccines. - A doctor describes a large reaction to a vaccine in a child, likely due to aluminum. - A mother shares her son's story of developing hives, joint swelling, fever, seizures, and autism after vaccinations; the vaccine court awarded $55,000. - Some medical professionals were unable to speak out against vaccines due to conflict of interest. - Some believe autism and vaccines are linked, citing a personal experience.

"There is not one longitudinal safety study on hepatitis b against unvaccinated kids versus vaccinated kids, inert placebo, does not exist." "The two studies that are cited most often, one is for MMR." "Hep B is not involved." "They're like, we did a huge study about this. No autism." "And I'm not suggesting there's a link. I'm simply saying that huge study is only MMR." "The other study they love to talk about involves thimerosal." "Not everything else about the hepatitis B vaccine." "There the there the reality is it's not settled science. Just it's okay." "Vaccines have like, we could but to even say that, anti vaxxer."

Dr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. believes that vaccines can be unsafe, but he hasn't found a safe one yet. The speaker agrees with this view, stating that all vaccines are suspect. They express concern about the presence of metals and chemicals in vaccines, which they were unaware of until reading a package insert. The speaker is shocked to learn that a child receiving the full vaccine schedule is exposed to around 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 different chemicals. They believe that vaccines have not been proven safe and compare vaccinating a child to injecting foreign matter into a precious little baby.

The speaker traces the origins and contents of vaccines from their earliest forms to modern childhood vaccines, presenting a sequence of claimed ingredients and comparisons. - The concept of a vaccine is said to have started from the word cowpox, with the idea that “cow pus” was used. Pus from cows was rubbed into wounds on people, leading to early vaccines. - They claim that practitioners experimented for a long time with various substances, including horse pus and cow pus from an infected horse’s hoof, rubbed into people. - Early vaccines are described as being steeped for years in a mix of ox bile, glycerin, and potato slices, which the speaker notes sounds like a joke but asserts to be true. - The evolution then moves to more modern-but-old-time ingredients, listing dried rabbit spinal cords, duck embryos, chicken blood, human bile (because it shouldn’t be wasted), ground-up rat spleens, and boiled pigskin as examples of earlier vaccine components. Switching to modern day vaccines, the speaker enumerates what is said to be present in today’s childhood vaccines: - Gelatin from boiled pigskin, described as similar to the old ingredient. - Chicken embryo protein. - Blood from the hearts of cow fetuses. - DNA fragments from human fetuses. - Oil extracted from shark livers. - Proteins from worm ovaries. - DNA fragments from monkey kidneys. The speaker then invokes a Shakespearean reference to Macbeth—“eye of Newt, toe of frog, lizard’s leg, tongue of dog”—to emphasize the appearance of a witch’s brew-like mixture in the composition of vaccines, suggesting that Gates, Offit, and Hotez are “sitting around in their witch’s brew putting this stuff together.” Further modern ingredients in childhood vaccines are listed: - Formaldehyde, described as bad. - Polysorbate eighty, claimed to be linked to infertility. - Potassium chloride, called out as the chemical injected as the third injection in lethal injections by executioners, noting that infants receive far less of it than executed individuals. - Sodium borate. - Triton X. - Ethyl mercury, stated as having been used “until very recently.” The speaker concludes with a strong personal stance: “I don’t want mercury injected into my kids. Period.” They recount a memory of a broken light requiring hazmat handling for mercury, contrasting that with the alleged injection of mercury into babies, and labeling the overall situation as crazy.

"I don't know what happened in 1990. There was no plague that was killing children that we had tripled the amount of vaccines." "Happened after 1989? The vaccine schedule mourn to 26 more vaccines. Agreed. Are all of them absolutely necessary? They wanna make money." "It's twice as many as anywhere else in in 30 countries in the Western world." "But We give twice as many shots as any of those countries." "Should you should educate yourself. We wanna empower parents to educate themselves." "Do we need to have the chickenpox? Do we need the hepatitis b shot on the second day of life?" "I don't think we can afford to assume that the people who are charged with our our public health any longer have our best interest at heart all the time." "Parents have to take have to make their own decisions, educated decisions."

- "I would dismantle the whole vaccine apparatus." - "destroying the health of our children and our country." - "an autistic kid who's nonverbal? Their their entire lives are altered from that moment forth." - "They're unnecessary. They're built on myths." - "Unvaccinated children are far, far healthier than others." - "Measles? It's extremely rare." - "We have antivirals and ways to treat those illnesses that you just don't need the vaccines." - "The entire legislation in 1985 came about because the vaccine manufacturers threatened to stop manufacturing vaccines." - "They were deemed unavoidably unsafe, and they could not be liable anymore for all the injuries they were causing." - "Congress gives them immunity." - "They explode our schedule and they're jabbing every kid and they're weaponizing." - "Kids can't go to school in a lot of states and communities without getting fully vaccinated. Homeschool or move." - "Dissolving Illusions by Kathleen Humphries." - "Turtles All the Way Down, written by five, anonymous Israeli scientists."

German summary: Speaker 0 äußert eine ganz konkrete, sehr gewagte These: "ich sage offen, dass ich von Impfungen bei Kindern unter 3 Jahren abrate." Speaker 1 fordert, das Buch zu lesen, das "so geschrieben ist, dass sogar Oberstufenschüler es verstehen", und sagt: "Wenn ein Arzt das liest und das nicht versteht, dann soll er seinen Titel an die Wand hängen." Er behauptet, Impfstoffe seien "lebensgefährlich" und die "größte Gefahr der Menschheit." Begründung: klassische Impfstoffe enthalten Zusatzstoffe wie Aluminiumsalze, die "Gift" seien und in die Blutbahn gelangen; der Unterschied zwischen Injektion und Verzehr sei entscheidend; in Muskeln injizierte Substanzen gelangen in die Blutbahn. Bei Kleinkindern sei die Konzentration nach einer Impfung mit Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis "unglaublich hoch." Er schlägt vor, "wartet wenigstens die 3 Jahre ab." Lebendimpfstoffe hält er für problematisch; "niemand hat's wirklich gezeigt, dass die Viren harmlos sind." Er verweist auf Polio, Tollwut und Tetanus und behauptet, "für keinen Impfung ... echte Wirksamkeit nachgewiesen worden" außer Tollwut und Tetanus. English translation: Speaker 0 asserts a very concrete, very bold thesis: "I openly say that I advise against vaccinations for children under 3." Speaker 1 urges reading the book, which is "written in a way that even high school students can understand," and says: "If a doctor reads it and does not understand it, then he should hang his title on the wall." He claims vaccines are "life-threatening" and the "greatest danger to humanity." Reasoning: classical vaccines contain additives such as aluminum salts, which are "poison" and reach the bloodstream; the difference between injection and ingestion is crucial; substances injected into muscle reach the bloodstream. In toddlers, the concentration after a vaccination with Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis is "incredibly high." He suggests "wait at least 3 years." He regards live vaccines as problematic; "no one has shown that the viruses are harmless." He references polio, rabies, and tetanus, and claims "for no vaccine has real efficacy been demonstrated" except for rabies and tetanus.

"What we're told is that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is completely safe. It's so miniscule. It would have no adverse effect on the human body." "Two hundred and fifty micrograms of aluminum are being injected into your day one old baby in that hepatitis b vaccine. Ten times the oral lethal dose in a rat study, and no one has ever checked it." "CBS reports United States Of America has the highest day one old birth rate in the world. In fact, we have more babies die in the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined."