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Speaker 0: I thought it'd be great to just kind of look at some of these items because parents are encountering these food items in grocery stores everywhere. Maybe we could just start right here with seed oils. We're hearing a lot about seed oils. Why should people be worried about these kind of products? Speaker 1: "Seed oils are one of the most unhealthy ingredients that we have in foods. Seed oils, The reason they're in the foods is because they're heavily subsidized. They're very very cheap but they are associated with all kinds of very very serious illnesses including body wide inflammation Right. Which affects all of our health. It's one of the worst things you can eat, and it's almost impossible to avoid. If you eat any processed food, you're gonna be eating seed oil."

After working on political campaigns, the speaker learned that the food industry, specifically the processed food industry, was created by the cigarette industry. In the 1990s, facing scrutiny, RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris used their cash to buy food companies. These companies shifted scientists from making cigarettes addictive to creating ultra-processed foods. They also transferred their lobbying playbook to the food sector, influencing institutions to promote the food pyramid, which advocated for carbs and sugar. This led to a significant shift in the American diet towards ultra-processed foods, now comprising 70% of a child's diet. These foods contain ingredients designed to be addictive, leading to increased calorie consumption and health issues. The foundation of this diet consists of added sugars, processed grains, and seed oils. Seed oils, now the top source of American calories, were initially a byproduct of oil production and promoted for human consumption despite being inflammatory. The speaker claims the food industry aims to make food cheap and addictive, not to harm Americans.

Seed oils are considered one of the most unhealthy ingredients in foods due to subsidies that make them cheap. They are associated with serious illnesses, including body-wide inflammation, which affects overall health. Seed oils are one of the worst things a person can eat, and they are almost impossible to avoid because they are present in nearly all processed foods.

"Seed oils are called polyunsaturated fatty acids." "Poly meaning many." "Unsaturated mean a type of oil that it's very very fragile and unstable." "Now the first thing you need to know is that when they talk about vegetable oils they're really talking about seed oils." "It comes from corn, soy, canola, things like that." "They're considered one part of the ultra processed food category which they use industrial processing where they're heating, adding hexane, which is a solvent that's in gasoline." "And so they go through this incredible refining process where you end up with this very refined empty oil." "And one of the reasons they do this is so it can sit on the shelf for a long period of time." "We consume like 25 to 30% of our calories with this right here."

The speaker asserts that preservatives are toxic to the body and rejects putting any preservatives into it, stating that if what you’re consuming is not three ingredients or less (basically food), you should not put it into your body. They argue that common additives like citric acid, maltodextrin, vegetable glycerin, and soy lecithin should be avoided, describing each as problematic. Key claims include: - Citric acid is a toxic mold sprayed with aluminum, and it was created by Pfizer, so people are aware and should avoid it in supplements, food, cleaning products, and shampoos. - Maltodextrin is derived from corn that has been sprayed with pesticides and is a cheap filler. - Vegetable glycerin could come from canola, soy, or corn, and you have no idea; solvents and chemicals are used in its production. - Soy lecithin is another cheap filler used in vitamins, supplements, and foods and it causes bloating. - Xanthex gum (Xantham gum) is another additive mentioned. The speaker emphasizes keeping intake simple: if you’re eating, stick to the simplest things—meat, dairy, honey, fruit, vegetables, nuts, and superfoods. They claim all of these are single-ingredient foods. If you want to add flavor, you can use some spices, but there isn’t much needed beyond that. They criticize highly processed products, suggesting that items like cookies with many ingredients are “garbage” that will pollute the body. The speaker contends that dietary issues people encounter are often attributed to genetics, but in their view, the root cause is having “poisoned” the body with processed foods. The conclusion presented is that avoiding processed additives and focusing on simple, whole foods will lead to better gut health, whereas consuming processed, multi-ingredient products will lead to negative outcomes. The speaker closes with a blunt affirmation: “It’s great.”

We should not be subsidizing obesity. Welch juices. Got two cases of these. A box of Sam's brain chips. They got these chips. Timmy toe crunch. Ballpark hotdogs. Some teriyaki the teriyaki noodles. Some kind of A pack of ground beef. Pecos on the steaks. Seed and salt. Pecos. Powder donuts. I mean, I got hypertension just from watching it. I died of a heart attack, came back to life, and then got diabetes and died again, then came back to life again, all while we were watching that. Nothing but processed junk food. Nothing no real food. This goes on for four or five minutes. This woman is showing off all the stuff she bought. She bought a a truckload of stuff with EBT, and none of it is food.

America has an addiction crisis related to food, which is profitable for big food companies whose objective is to create cheap, addictive food. Almost every chronic condition shortening American lives is tied to food. Ultra-processed food makes up 70% of our diet and is weaponized with sugar, seed oils, and processed grains. The speaker claims the food market is rigged, and while working for the food industry, they helped pay off regulators, the media, lawmakers, and researchers to promote ultra-processed food as healthy. Coca-Cola allegedly pays organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics. The food industry is purportedly taking away humans' innate sense of what's good for them, hiring scientists from tobacco companies to shift them over to food science. Ultra-processed food is a science experiment that hijacks our evolutionary biology, making food addictive and normalized.

Checklist: - Identify the core comparison: Your breakfast (oats) vs my breakfast (organs, meat, fruit, honey, raw dairy). - Capture the chain of claims about oats: grain → seeds → plant defense chemicals → phytic acid chelation → mineral absorption interference → digestive enzyme inhibitors → DPP-4 inhibitors. - Record the speaker’s explicit judgments and rebuttals: oats are “total bullshit”; energy drink is “complete garbage” with no significant nutrients; this breakfast is presented as superior. - Preserve the strongest quoted phrases for precision: “Oats are total bullshit,” “That ain't even bullshit. That’s horseshit.” - Include the description of the speaker’s breakfast and the challenge to readers/viewers: organs, meat, fruit, honey, raw dairy; find a more nutrient rich, less toxic, more nourishing set of foods. - Note the causal claim linking breakfast choices to mood, sleep, and hormonal outcomes: “this is how you eat if you want to thrive” vs “mood issues, sleep problems, hormonal disturbances.” - Maintain high-level structure: contrast → properties of oats → bold critique → personal breakfast → challenge → health implications → emphatic closing. - Keep the summary within 370-463 words. - Translate only if needed (not needed here). Two breakfasts contrasted, with a focused chain of claims: The speaker sets up a breakfast comparison: “Your breakfast versus my breakfast. Your breakfast starts with oatmeal.” He then builds a reasoning chain: “Oats are a grain. Grains are seeds. Seeds are highly defended.” Seeds are defended with “plant defense chemicals.” Plants must do this if they want to survive and pass their DNA to the next generation. In the case of oats, oats are “full of phytic acid, a substance that chelates, that fights minerals, and prevents their absorption.” Oats are also “full of digestive enzyme inhibitors.” And for the nerds, “DPP four inhibitors.” The speaker then delivers a strong verdict: “Oats are total bullshit.” He follows with a dismissive critique of the audience’s energy drink, calling it “complete garbage and full of no significant nutrients that you can’t get in more bioavailable forms over here.” Then the speaker presents his breakfast: “This is my breakfast. Organs, meat, fruit, honey, and raw dairy.” He issues a challenge: to “find a more nutrient rich, less toxic, more nourishing set of foods on the planet.” He frames the philosophy: “This is how you eat if you want to thrive.” He reiterates the contrast to imply negative health consequences from oats: “If you want to develop mood issues, sleep problems, hormonal disturbances, this is complete bullshit.” The closing gloss reinforces the intensity of the claim with colloquial emphases: “Oh, come on now. That ain't even bullshit. That’s horseshit.”

Speaker 0 questions why seed oils are so prevalent in processed foods and whether there is deliberate push behind them due to public health harms, suggesting big pharma profits might be involved. Speaker 1 responds affirmatively to some degree, explaining the seed oil story began with Crisco in the 1910s. He says the idea was to provide a lot of energy, then they hydrogenated lawn mower lubricant oils, not believing them toxic because they came from seeds, not crude oil. They forced hydrogen back in to make them solid, giving rise to Crisco and the seed oil industry, which he implies was shocking for human health and may have heralded the age of heart disease, though early understanding of cause and effect was limited. He notes that in the seventies there was a mega tragedy around Ancel Keys and his belief that saturated fats and animal fats were bad, with the American Heart Association aligning with industry to push seed oils. The main reason seed oils dominate is that they are ultra cheap. In industry, raw material cost is prioritized, maximizing margins. The devil’s triad is ultra cheap, with sugars, seed oils, and shelf-stability. Seed oils provide shelf life, unlike natural fats which spoil. The idea of an international supply of corporate-owned junk food favors seed oils because products (e.g., a McDonald’s meal) in a car seat or in a warm environment don’t spoil; a described example shows butter melting and ants avoiding margarine, implying margarine’s perceived stability or lack of spoilage. The anecdote about ants suggests the practicality of fats in different environments. Speaker 1 argues there has been a growing understanding since the seventies and eighties among food and pharma executives that this is driving an obesity and diabetes epidemic, with big pharma profiting from the epidemic. He contends that top-level collaboration and realization led to opportunities for profit, with big pharma funding continued medical education for doctors and big food funding dietitian schools, thereby indoctrinating professionals at the top, resulting in everyone benefiting.

In this Wide Awake Media podcast conversation, host Didi Denslow and guest Ivor Cummins—a biochemical engineer, nutrition expert known as the Fat Emperor—discuss health paradigms, seed oils, geopolitics, and emerging technologies, with a recurring emphasis on waking up to structured power dynamics. Seeds oils and the “devil’s triad” - Cummins presents a framework he calls the “devil’s triad” to explain modern obesity and diabetes trends: sugars, refined grains or refined tweeds, and seed oils. He cites American data indicating 64% of adults over 45 are prediabetic or diabetic, suggesting the triad drives these conditions. Cutting out sugars, refined carbohydrates, and seed oils is portrayed as a path to reversing obesity and diabetes epidemics. - Seed oils are described as being extracted with hexane and solvents under high heat/pressure. They include sunflower, safflower, rapeseed (and other seed-derived oils). He states they are high in omega-6 fats, used as signaling molecules in inflammatory processes, and should be kept to very low dietary levels (current US intake around 15% of calories versus a recommended under 0.5%). He notes issues in processing: hydrogenation and molecular damage, plus deodorizing, bleaching, and color adjustments that mask natural signals to avoid consumption. - He contrasts seed oils with natural fats from real foods: olives (olive oil), animal fats like lard and tallow, and butter, which are deemed acceptable. He references historical and industry context: seed oils originated from lubricants used in engines (and later hydrogenated for food), with Crisco marking their rise; he attributes a shift in public health trends to decisions in the mid- to late-20th century, including influential thoughts by Ancel Keys on saturated fats. - The discussion also touches the economics and incentives: seed oils are cheap, shelf-stable, and favored by global supply chains and processed foods; this is linked to industry strategies and ties between food, pharma, and academic funding. Some guests’ positions align on seed oils as a major driver of chronic disease, though Cummins also acknowledges the role of refined carbohydrates and sugars. Diet, personal change, and practical guidance - The host shares personal experience: eliminating seed oils improved health, including belly fat reduction. - Repertoire of alternative fats suggested includes high-quality olive oil, coconut oil, tallow, lard from well-raised pigs (with caveats about omega-6 content), and avocado oil as a more expensive option. Geopolitics, digital identity, and cultural shifts - Digital ID and civil liberties: Ireland’s progress toward digital ID is discussed, illustrating a “boiling frog” dynamic: government IDs exist but may become mandatory over time. Cummins underscores civil disobedience, awareness, and lobbying as means to resist, arguing that politicians report to higher, unelected networks. He asserts EU structures (EU Commission, European Parliament) mimic Soviet-era governance, creating a centralized power apparatus. - Hate speech law in Ireland: Cummins describes an earlier hate speech framework (1986 incitement to hatred) as effective, and a proposed newer framework with broad, protected classes as a potential threat to civil rights, warning that the pre-crime model resembles Minority Report, 1984, and Brave New World. He suggests public scrutiny of whom politicians report to. - Global networks and governance: The conversation invokes a historical view of global power networks (Rhodes, Milner, Rothschilds, Rockefellers) and institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and the CIA. Cummins sees these organizations as orchestrating global policy and economy, with a current sense of tension due to BRICS dynamics, shifting American leadership, and challenges to the old oligarchies. - Immigration and demographic strategy: He cites Denmark, Hungary, Poland, and Switzerland as examples with restrictive immigration policies and self-sufficiency requirements. Denmark, for instance, is highlighted for its stringent residency rules and crime data transparency on migrants. He contrasts Ireland’s relatively permissive approach to immigration with these models, discussing the Kalergi Plan as a shorthand for a demographic strategy, and argues there has been a deliberate, years-long push to alter European demographics, partly framed by climate discourse and social narratives. - Climate narrative and AI: Cummins notes perceived weaknesses in the climate-change narrative, acknowledging growing awareness and industry signals that climate policies may be economically unsustainable. He predicts data centers and AI infrastructure will continue to drive energy demand, while asserting AI is a tool with significant rote-task capability but no true sentience. He argues the public is increasingly skeptical about climate catastrophism, while acknowledging the real-world shift toward data-driven, centralized control. Solutions and events - Awareness and education are repeatedly stressed as essential first steps. Cummins envisions a non-conspiratorial, docudrama-style approach to explain power politics and history, aiming to reach a mass audience with credible, non-fringe framing. - Concrete steps discussed include focusing on Denmark-like models for immigration policy, local and national political engagement (email campaigns to MPs, peaceful in-person events like Ireland’s IRL forum), and media reform initiatives to counterbalance globalist influence. - He promotes practical financial preparedness (physical gold and silver) as protective measures amid expected market volatility and potential fiat-currency depreciation. Closing note - The interview ends with a reiteration to avoid seed oils, stay awake, and engage in informed civic action. The speakers emphasize a broad, systemic view of health, governance, and technology, urging proactive public discourse and engagement to influence policy directions.

Ultra processed foods should come with a black box warning that they put on certain medications to warn people against the serious side effects. I mean the side effects from ultra processed food are worse than some of the drugs. It should basically say ultra processed maybe food like stuff with a black box warning so people know what's gonna happen if they eat that. That is not the solution. The solution starts with education on the basic foods that really fit this definition of the word food out of the dictionary.

The speaker claims that a regular grocery store makes it nearly impossible to find non-processed healthy food. They state that 75% of the store contains processed sugar and seed oils. The speaker points out fried banana chips, vegetable oil, canola oils, corn, soybeans, and sunflower oil as examples. They claim that even tortillas, shortening, local fried corn treats, and roasted nuts are full of seed oils. The speaker asserts that all yogurts and flavored milks contain processed sugar, as do energy drinks. They highlight the abundance of seed oils on display and question the absence of animal fats. The speaker suggests that the meat counter is the only place in the store where one can easily avoid processed sugars and seed oils, and concludes that this prevalence of unhealthy ingredients is why so many people are sick and unhealthy.

The transcript discusses seed oils as a major health risk and part of a so-called “devil’s triad” contributing to obesity and diabetes. It asserts that a large share of U.S. adults over 45 are prediabetic or diabetic—64% by some data, rising to 75–78% if insulin use were measured—and claims that removing three factors—sugars, refined grains or refined tweeds, and seed oils—would eliminate the obesity and diabetes epidemics; pharmaceutical companies would suffer as a result. Seed oils are described as being extracted with hexane and solvents under very high temperature and pressure in chemical plants. What are marketed as heart-healthy golden vegetable oils (sunflower, safflower, and other seed oils) are said to be processed with high temperature and pressure, resulting in oils that are very high in omega-6 fats, which are suggested to be inflammatory signal molecules and should only be eaten in tiny amounts as calories. The speaker claims Americans get about 15% of their calories from seed oils, versus a recommended less than 0.5%; this is described as 30 times the evolutionary level and very damaging. Further, the process is criticized for hydrogenation, damage to molecular structures, deodorization, bleaching, and coloring to give a desirable appearance and scent, after which the oils are sold. The speaker asserts that hydrogenation and processing produce “rank grey rancid muck,” and that people would be repulsed by the initial oil before deodorization. The transcript asserts that seed oils are extremely damaging in quantity, especially in processed foods, while refined carbohydrates are also highly damaging. It cites studies from the late 1990s on rat models comparing seed oils with beef tallow and lard, finding major increases in tumorigenesis and tumor growth when seed oils were included at 3–4% of the diet. It claims that from around 1993 to 1999, studies increasingly showed that seed oils drive cancer if consumed above three to four percent, but that around 1998–1999 the system stopped these findings after calls were made. The speaker concludes: “All the evidence is there. That's the tip of the iceberg. Don't touch them.”

Seed oils are prevalent in processed foods and are considered highly unhealthy. They are cheap due to heavy subsidies, but their consumption is linked to serious health issues, including widespread inflammation. This inflammation can negatively impact overall health, making seed oils one of the worst dietary choices. Avoiding them is challenging, as they are commonly found in many food products.

Reister's corn syrup is described as a "weapon of mass destruction" introduced in the 1970s and now ubiquitous in American foods like ketchup, salad dressings, bread, and sodas. High fructose corn syrup allegedly subverts hunger cues, making people feel hungrier due to its concentrated liquid form. The speaker draws a parallel to hibernating animals like bears, whose fructose-rich diets trigger insatiable hunger and fat storage by impairing mitochondrial function. Food scientists supposedly exploited this mechanism to make people "insatiable" and aggressively seek food, leading to fat accumulation. The speaker claims this is an experiment happening to American children, contributing to the statistic that 74% of Americans are overweight. The speaker alleges that much of the food science and food research done in America is paid for by the processed food industry, which slants the findings. 82% of independently funded studies show harm from ultra-processed food, while 93% of industry-sponsored studies reflect no harm.

Many heavily processed, unhealthy foods contain sugars, artificial additives, and are low in fiber and high in salt. Seed oils are often consumed through these unhealthy foods in both the UK and the US, which is a cause for concern. While it's true that many foods containing seed oils are unhealthy, the speaker disagrees with the idea that the seed oil itself is the primary cause of the unhealthiness. It's important to distinguish between the seed oil and the overall health impact of the processed foods in which they are found.

The speaker discusses surprising and specific ways processed food waste contributes to livestock feeding, highlighting how items not typically associated with animal feed end up in the system. They describe a real-world incident to illustrate the point: a truck carrying an overwhelming amount of Skittles spilled on the highway, scattering the candy across the roadway. When authorities or observers inquired about the destination of this voluminous cargo, it was identified as going to a feedlot. The implication drawn is that, beyond traditional grains, discarded products from the processed food industry—such as candy—are sometimes reused to fatten cattle before slaughter. The speaker connects this practice to broader concerns about animal health and the quality of meat available to consumers. By pointing out that fattening inputs include non-traditional feed items like candy, they suggest a chain in which animals are raised with provisions that may not be typically associated with livestock nutrition. This, in turn, is tied to outcomes described as diseased metabolically unhealthy animals, which are then slaughtered and sold to consumers, including those who shop at grocery stores. A central theme of the remarks is the relationship between feeding practices and the health status of the animals intended for human consumption. The speaker emphasizes that the quality of the food people eat matters, presenting this as a personal stance and calling attention to the potential mismatch between consumer expectations and the realities of supply chains used in animal farming. The narrative suggests that the use of processed-food byproducts in animal feed is a notable and perhaps underappreciated factor in the dietary health of livestock and, by extension, of people who consume the meat. In sum, the speaker uses the Skittles incident as a concrete example to illustrate a broader point: processed-food industry waste is sometimes repurposed as livestock feed, contributing to the production of metabolically unhealthy animals that are ultimately slaughtered for consumption, underscoring a concern about food quality and its implications for health. The overarching message is a call to recognize and consider the inputs that influence the quality of the meat people eat.

"If you wanted to make a perfect food to get people addicted, overweight, and sick, you'd create ultra processed food." "It's not just unhealthy. It's literally engineered to hijack your biology." "This leads to chronic inflammation, insulin resistance, and nutrient deficiencies." "The mix of refined carbs, fats, and sugar you find in processed foods, that combination doesn't exist in nature." "Your brain is not wired to handle it. It lights up your reward center in your brain like a slot machine, causing overeating and unending cravings." "Some of these foods even contain additives that suppress your hunger and fullness signals, so you literally don't know when you've had enough." "This isn't food. It's an engineered product."

It's nearly impossible to find non-processed healthy food in a regular grocery store because 75% of the store is processed sugar and seed oils. Fried banana chips, local fried corn treats, roasted nuts, tortillas, yogurts, flavored milks, and energy drinks are full of seed oils and processed sugar. The speaker asks, where are the animal fats? The meat counter is about the only spot in the whole store where you can easily avoid processed sugars and seed oils. This is why so many people are sick and unhealthy.

The most typical food sources of omega-six fatty acids are seed oils, which have become controversial. The speaker believes not all seed oils are bad or inflammatory, nor are they the major cause of metabolic dysfunction. However, people are consuming more oil generally, including oils with omega-six fatty acids, many of which are seed oils. The relevant omega-six fatty acid for the discussion is linoleic acid, common in many seed oils. The speaker reiterates that they are not claiming seed oils are inherently bad.

Speaker 0 raises concern about seed oils. "Seed oils are one of the most unhealthy ingredients that we have in foods." "Seed oils, The reason they're in the foods is because they're heavily subsidized. They're very very cheap but they are associated with all kinds of very very serious illnesses including body wide inflammation Right. Which affects all of our health. It's one of the worst things you can eat, and it's almost impossible to avoid." "If you eat any processed food, you're gonna be eating seed oil." The speaker emphasizes the prevalence of seed oils in processed foods today.

Soybean oil is cheaper than water and is affecting our health. There was a time when food had real values, and we consumed wholesome products. Now, we face issues like microplastics in our water and poor-quality food from stores. Many establishments serve subpar meals, with processed ingredients replacing traditional ones. Eggs come from boxes, and unhealthy oils are used instead of butter and cream. Canned soups contain additives like xanthan gum. It's time to improve our food quality and remove harmful seed oils from our environment.