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The speaker explains the difference between Jews and Zionists. They state that Zionism is the opposite of Judaism, as it mistrusts God and goes against religious beliefs. Zionists are accused of committing crimes by taking land from others through killing and robbery, which goes against the commandments of not killing and not stealing. This is the fundamental difference between Zionists and others.

Zionism, a political philosophy behind Israel, is distinct from Judaism. The founder, Theodor Herzl, was an atheist seeking a state for Jews. Zionism is labeled as satanic, imperialistic, and racist for displacing Palestinians through terrorism. The speaker urges the US to stop funding Israel and instead support the homeless domestically.

This message is for religious Jews from Jerusalem, Palestine, and around the world. True religious communities oppose the entire occupation by the State of Israel because it goes against our covenant with God. The state of Israel is a nationalist movement that started over 100 years ago, rebelling against God. They use Jewish symbols but are stealing Palestinian homes and disregarding the Torah's prohibition on Jewish sovereignty since the temple's destruction 2000 years ago. Our rabbis in Palestine support these facts.

The discussion opens with Speaker 0 noting that the first foreign visit by a New York City mayor is significant and asks where each candidate would go first. Speaker 1 (Cuomo) replies, “First visit, I would visit The Holy Land.” Speaker 2, addressing hostility and antisemitism in New York, adds, “Given the hostility and the antisemitism that has been shown in New York, I would go to Israel.” Speaker 0 then directs the question to Speaker 2 (Tilson). Tilson responds, “Yeah. I’d make my fourth trip to Israel followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine, two of our greatest allies fighting on the front lines of the global war on terror.” Speaker 0 moves to Speaker 3 (Mamdani), who says, “I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New Yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that.” Speaker 4 interjects with a follow-up to Mamdani: “Mister Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel… as mayor?” Mamdani answers that as mayor, “I'll be doing as the mayor, I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform because, ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns.” The conversation then covers a direct question: “And just yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?” Mamdani replies, “I believe Israel has the right to exist.” Speaker 4 counters, “Not Israel. State?” Mamdani responds, “Notice. As a state with equal rights.” Speaker 1 presses Mamdani further, noting, “He won't he won't say it has a right to exist. Does a Jewish state be very clear?” Speaker 2 adds, “Answer was no. He won't visit Israel.” Mamdani claims, “I I said that That's what he was trying to say. No. Unlike you, I answered unlike you, I answered the question directly. Alright.” The conversation then shifts to Speaker 5, who shares a personal rationale: “My my goal would be to take my first trip to Israel. My wife's life work in this area means a lot to our family, and it could coincide with my young son, Miles, bar mitzvah, if you'd like to have his bar mitzvah.” Speaker 2 interjects briefly, “Okay. But” before the excerpt ends.

This message is for religious Jews from Jerusalem, Palestine, and around the world. We, as religious communities, oppose the entire occupation of Israel, not just a two-state solution. Judaism is about being subservient to God, a covenant we made 3000 years ago. However, the state of Israel, which started over 100 years ago, is a nationalist movement that rebels against God. They use Jewish symbols but are stealing Palestinian homes and disregarding the Torah's prohibition on Jewish sovereignty since the temple's destruction 2000 years ago. Our rabbis in Palestine support this fact.

Speaker 1 treats the period starting 10/07/2023 as possibly the biggest turning point in Jewish history, perhaps the greatest since the fall of the temple. He notes Judaism has survived numerous catastrophes, but this could be a spiritual catastrophe for Judaism itself. He warns that events in Israel could destroy two thousand years of Jewish thinking, culture, and existence. He highlights a worst-case scenario of an ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza and the West Bank resulting in the expulsion of 2,000,000 Palestinians. He argues this would accompany the establishment of Greater Israel, the disintegration of Israeli democracy, and a new Israel based on an ideology of Jewish supremacy and on anti-Jewish values. He portrays a country worshiping power and violence, militarily strong and economically viable, and concludes that no Jew anywhere will be able to deny this would be the real Judaism.

I am Rabbi Jacob Miller of Turcata International, a group of Jewish rabbis protesting the occupation in Gaza. Creating Israel by displacing others goes against Jewish law. Judaism is not the same as Zionism. Opposing Zionism is not anti-Semitic; it's about justice and peace. Jewish people worldwide seek a free Palestine, ceasefire, and end to occupation. We pray for peace in Palestine.

The speaker emphasizes that the conflict in Israel is not due to religious differences. They argue that the state of Israel does not represent all Jews or the Jewish religion. According to Jewish beliefs, creating a sovereign state through violence and oppression is forbidden. The speaker criticizes those who misuse religion to justify crimes. They believe that the root cause of the conflict is the oppressive occupation of an entire people. The speaker advises Israeli leaders to end the occupation and return the land to the indigenous population.

Rabbi David Weiss strongly denounces the Zionist state of Israel, emphasizing that the oppression and cruelty against the Palestinian people are not in the name of Judaism or the Jewish people. He argues that Judaism forbids Jews from having their own sovereignty and entities, and that taking the land from the Palestinian people contradicts his religion. Rabbi Weiss asserts that Jews have always opposed the Zionist entity and stands in solidarity with the suffering of the Palestinian people. He criticizes the Zionist movement as a political material movement created by heretics, using religion to silence opposition. Rabbi Weiss believes that supporting the state of Israel actually exacerbates antisemitism.

Jews who adhere to the Torah oppose Zionism and the state of Israel as it contradicts their belief in a Jewish state. They view Israel's creation in 1948 as an occupation of another people's land, leading to oppression, killings, and land theft. This violates human rights and international norms, as well as the core principles of Jewish faith. We stand in solidarity with the suffering Palestinians, asserting that Israel's actions are illegitimate. The only solution, in our view, is a peaceful dismantlement of Israel, which we perceive as the obstacle to peace in Palestine. Prior to Israel's establishment, there was peace in the region.

A Jewish speaker opposes Zionism, stating that it is not anti-Semitism to be against it. They share personal experiences of facing backlash for their beliefs. They explain that Zionism is a movement that started 150 years ago by Jews who were not practicing their religion and wanted a homeland. However, Judaism forbids having their own state. They highlight the historical support and acceptance Jews received from Muslim countries. The speaker criticizes the Zionist movement for disregarding the rights of Palestinians and accuses them of using PR tactics and political pressure to silence opposition. They emphasize their belief in coexistence with Muslims and express empathy for Palestinian suffering.

"As Christians support the government of Israel, we are commanded to support Israel." "It says that those who bless you, Abraham, this was before Israel, will be blessed by God." "And those who curse you, Abraham, will be cursed by God." "For not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people." "Being descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children." "Israel didn't have a nation or a land to call their own for almost two thousand years since the destruction of the temple in the year seventy AD." "The nation of Israel was recreated through some political operatives after World War II." "I think the scripture makes it clear that it's about whether you're blessing or cursing the true children of Abraham, those who believe the promises of the gospel."

Judaism is a centuries-old religion, while Zionism is a newer movement that transformed religion into nationalism and materialism. Non-religious Jews who disliked Judaism created Zionism, initially considering Uganda as a location for a Jewish state. They used Jewish symbols and names to legitimize their existence and silence criticism by labeling it as anti-Semitic. However, this is far from the truth. Muslim countries, like Turkey, have historically been supportive of Jewish people. Zionism goes against the teachings of the Torah, which forbids Jews from having their own state. The creation of Israel in Palestine, a land already inhabited by Palestinians, contradicts the principles of compassion and non-violence. Many Jews, including rabbis, oppose Zionism and its actions.

Bible is crystal clear. Jesus said to the Jews, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. In the Old Testament, Israel was God's chosen people. God chose Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and he used the nation of Israel as a pattern; they were supposed to be a light to Gentiles. They failed in that mission. The Lord Jesus Christ came as the Messiah, and he came unto his own and his own received him not. The Bible squarely places the blame for the death of Jesus on the Jews. In Acts, the Romans protect Christians, while the Jews try to rip them apart and stone them; Romans restore law and order. This is why I reject Zionism and being pro Israel. I read the Bible cover to cover, 20 times, and I didn't see it because you're brainwashed.

I want to address who pro-Zionists are and clarify some common misconceptions. Being pro-Israel isn't about being anti-Jewish, as Jesus himself was Jewish. However, the New Testament indicates that the nation of Israel is no longer God's chosen people; that title now belongs to the church. True Jews are those who follow the Lord's laws and ethics in their hearts, not just outwardly. In fact, those who reject Jesus are like the sons of Hagar, not of Sarah. There's neither Jew nor Gentile, but Christ, and Christ's kingdom doesn't favor any human government, and we shouldn't prioritize any nation over Christ. When we see children being killed, whether Israeli or Palestinian, it breaks Jesus' heart. We should be pro-Jesus and his kingdom and remember our brothers and sisters in Christ, even Palestinian Christians.

The speaker discusses the persistence of claims that Adolf Hitler was Jewish, Zionist, or connected to Jewish heritage, and argues that these claims are unfounded and perpetuated by rumor rather than solid evidence. He notes how the Internet has changed information dissemination, making it easy for unvetted claims to spread globally. Key points: - Two prevalent themes in the Patriot movement are (1) that the Nazis took over America, with claims like Jim Mars promoting this fraud, and (2) the claim that Adolf Hitler was Jewish, used by some to distance themselves from antisemitism. - Adolf Hitler was not Jewish. The speaker cites Martin Kerr’s 1982 essay, The Myth of Hitler’s Jewish Grandfather, to outline why the Jewish-grandfather claim is unsubstantiated. - Kerr explains several versions of the myth: - The notion that Alois Hitler’s fatherhood came from a Jewish grandfather named Frankenberger or a Rothschild figure, which Kerr states are unsupported by evidence. The speaker notes that Alois Hitler’s paternity can’t be linked to such figures, and a photo does not support those genealogies. - The claim that a Polish Jew named Hitler (a name shared by a Jewish newspaper figure) was Hitler’s grandfather is invalid because that Jew was born in 1832, only five years older than Hitler’s father, making him impossible as the sire. - Claims from an anti-Hitler German who was part Jewish are dismissed as unfounded. - Hans Frank’s memoirs (In the Face of the Gallows) are discussed, where Frank claimed he investigated threats to expose Hitler’s alleged Jewish ancestor, but the speaker notes it’s impossible to document a Jewish grandfather for Hitler. Werner Maeser, a German historian, is cited: no Frankenberger family lived in Graz in the 1830s, a Jewish presence there was absent, and Maria Schickelgruber (Hitler’s mother) could not have been impregnated by a Jew in Graz prior to Alois’s birth. - Ian Kershaw is cited as noting there was no evidence of a Jewish Frankenberger in Graz; Frankenreiter existed but was not Jewish. - The speaker emphasizes that Hitler’s alleged Jewish ancestry is unsupported by credible scholarship. He mentions that some narratives arise from a book sometimes titled Hitler, Founder of Germany or Hitler, founder of Israel, which he criticizes as poorly translated and unconvincing evidence. He mentions Colonel Don DeGrand Prix referenced this questionable book, but the speaker asserts the book’s content is weak. - He distinguishes that while there were Jews in Hitler’s military due to Nuremberg Laws’ definitions, and some individuals of Jewish descent fought in German forces, this does not prove Hitler was Jewish or Zionist. - He asserts: Hitler was not Jewish, not Zionist, and not Rothschild-connected. He warns against repeating rumors and urges reliance on solid research. - He reiterates that the idea of Hitler being Jewish, a Zionist, or connected to the Rothschilds is a myth, and insists listeners should abandon it and seek verifiable evidence. He ends by stating there were elements in Hitler’s government that supported Jewish immigration to Palestine for strategic reasons, but that does not equate to Hitler being Zionist or Jewish.

The speaker emphasizes that the promise of land for the Jewish people in the Bible is conditional upon maintaining a high moral standard. Going back to the land by force is seen as a rebellion against God, and instead, they should patiently wait for the Messiah. The speaker compares this to a child disobeying a punishment, implying that going back to the land during exile shows a lack of care for God's decree. They argue that Jews should remain in exile and follow God's will, as instructed by the rabbis throughout history. The speaker questions why no previous leaders advocated for forcefully returning to Israel, suggesting that staying in exile and waiting is the way of Judaism.

The Jewish people have been attached to the land of Israel for 3,500 years. The loss of their land occurred during the Arab conquest in the 7th century when Arabs took over the land and made the Jews a minority. Despite being dispossessed and scattered, the Jews never gave up their dream of returning to their ancestral homeland. In the 19th century, they started coming back and building farms and factories. The conflict with the Palestinians arises from their refusal to accept a Jewish state, claiming it as their own. The speaker argues that while Palestinians can live alongside Jews, they cannot demand the dissolution of the Jewish state.

A Jewish individual speaks out against Zionism, stating that it is not anti-Semitism to oppose it. They mention facing backlash and vandalism for their beliefs. They explain that Zionism is a movement that started 150 years ago by Jews who were disconnected from their religion and sought a homeland. However, Judaism forbids the establishment of a Jewish state, as Jews are meant to be loyal citizens in every country they reside. They highlight the historical support and acceptance Jews received from Muslim countries. They criticize the Zionist movement for disregarding the rights of Palestinians and accuse them of using PR tactics to silence opposition. They express solidarity with Palestinians and hope for a world that recognizes the truth.

A speaker identifying themselves as Jewish with critical thinking skills questions where information comes from and asks to see sources. They reference opening the Torah and reading the story of how Jewish people ended up in Israel, then challenge the audience about Abraham’s origins and knowledge of his story. They state that Abraham comes from what is now present-day Iraq, and they question what the story with Abraham, the Jewish people, and God is. They assert that Jewish people are not indigenous to Israel and recount a version of the biblical narrative: God speaks to Abraham and offers a present of “free land” for the Jewish people, telling Abraham to take them to a land filled with milk and honey, and that Abraham leads the people there. They ask what happens when they get to Israel and note that there were already people there. They claim that God told Abraham to slaughter and expel those people from the land, identifying those people as the indigenous inhabitants. The speaker condemns what they describe as others on the app presenting this information as fact, expressing concern that Jewish people themselves may not know their own history or the history of their religion, culture, and land. They juxtapose this with broader historical tragedies, suggesting that if readers have wondered what they would have done during the Holocaust, civil rights movement, slavery, and Canada’s genocide of indigenous people, they should look at what people are doing in the present. They argue that worldwide tragedies and genocide continue because people are afraid to speak out due to social repercussions. Throughout, the speaker emphasizes the following core claims: - Abraham originated from a region corresponding to present-day Iraq, not Israel. - The narrative involves God presenting “free land” to the Jewish people and Abraham leading them to this land. - Upon arrival, the land already had indigenous inhabitants. - The divine instruction attributed to God to Abraham was to slaughter and expel those indigenous people. - Many individuals on the app propagate incorrect historical claims as fact, and some Jewish people may lack awareness of their own historical and religious background. - The speaker connects current fear of speaking out to historical and ongoing acts of mass violence and genocide, urging people to speak out rather than stay silent. The speaker ends by linking contemporary social fear to historical injustices, calling for greater courage to speak out.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the basis for Jewish connection to the land and who has a legitimate claim to it. Speaker 0 begins by stating that there are about 16,000,000 Jews in total worldwide, with 8,000,000 living in the area being discussed, and the remainder living mainly in New York, South Florida, and a few other places. He notes that this is a small population with historical and biblical connections to the land, and asks if such a connection exists. Speaker 1 responds that Bibi’s family lived in Eastern Europe and that there is no evidence they ever lived in the land, and that he isn’t religious. He questions whether there is a true ancestral link. Speaker 0 asks whether there is evidence of any genuine ancestral connection. Speaker 1 asks if there is a family tree for Bibi, and if not, whether anyone has one. Speaker 0 asks how they know, and Speaker 1 elaborates that the point is to establish an ancestral connection to the land. He notes that there has been a practice of Judaism and a connection to the language, suggesting that Bibi has fought for the land, and that his family has fought for it. He raises an obvious, meaningful question: where does this right come from? He explains that many people in the territory Israel controls, particularly in the West Bank, have genetic evidence of having been there for thousands of years, with many identified as Christians for two thousand years, and even if some did not practice Judaism or were Samaritan or pre-Islam, the question remains: how do they compare in terms of rights to someone whose ancestors lived in Latvia or Poland and were Jewish? He questions the basis of being “Jewish” by faith, language, or Torah. Speaker 0 challenges the question, asking how we know if Bibi’s ancestors ever lived there, and expresses confusion about what Speaker 1 is trying to determine. Speaker 1 emphasizes that a claim of rights based on ancestral presence is significant because many claims hinge on whether ancestors lived there, whether money flowed, and whether displacement occurred. He reiterates that it is not a theoretical issue like a grandparent’s distant past, but a real question of who has the right to be there. Speaker 0 remains unable to fully process Speaker 1’s point.