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Carl Reibel opens the Lyceum lecture by signaling that the topic is the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, focusing on their origins and history. He notes the subject has deep ties to late 19th/early 20th‑century European history and that many people claim to know a bit about it, but there is much confusion.
He surveys common books on the protocols (Hadassah Ben-Ito, Herman Bernstein, Benjamin Seagal) and points out that the dominant modern book Norman Cohen’s War and Genocide is often cited to claim that the protocols are not real, or that they were the creation of the Russian Okhrana, a claim he says is a myth. He emphasizes that the myth that the protocols were debunked or created by the Okhrana is from the 1920s–1930s and originates with lawyers, not historians. Another prevalent claim—that the protocols were plagiarized from Maurice Joly’s 1864 Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu—is described as a myth created in 1921 by Philip Graves (Times) and Alan Dulles (CIA), rather than by historians.
Reibel discusses Norman Cohen’s supposed plagiarism by Boris Nikolayevsky, a Russian left‑wing researcher connected with the Burnt Trial (1933–35). He explains that Cohen’s book allegedly borrowed from Nikolayevsky, who relied on a Wiki witness named Alexander Dushyler. Dushyler is portrayed as a destructive figure, and Nikolayevsky’s conclusions were formed in the 1960s.
The speaker reviews Hadassah Ben-Ito’s The Lie That Wouldn’t Die (2005), noting it as another controversial work that Kaufman et al. regard as fiction rather than nonfiction, though it remains marketed as factual. He also cites Hagermeister’s monograph to cast doubt on Ben-Ito’s narrative and to argue that the protocols’ alleged connections to Zionism began to be asserted in earnest in 1917–1921, with edits (e.g., removing Old Testament references) and additions (e.g., Freemasons) between Khushivan’s original edition (1903–1904) and Nilus’ later edition.
The timeline of the protocols is outlined: the original document emerges around 1901–1902; the first publication by Pavel Khushivan in a 1903 seven‑part series; a 1904 republication in Lutychenski’s Talmud; early 1905–1907 editions by Sergei Nilus (Nilus’ version, with Ukrainianisms and heavy edits); editions by Wottheim de Khaman in 1906; significant revisions by Nilus in 1911–1912; and the pivotal 1917 edition (The Great and the Small). 1917 marks the spread of the protocols in foreign languages (notably via the Marston translation in English, whose authorship is unclear) and the parallel Gottfried Zumbieck translation in German, promoted by Theodore Fritz, linking the text to Zionism.
Reibel stresses that Nilus’ edition is longer and more redacted, with more “playful” content than Kushyvan’s edition, and that Ukrainianisms in later revisions indicate a Ukrainian influence or origin. He emphasizes that the supposed “Paris origin” (Okhrana/Paris, with figures like Golovinsky, Stepanov, and Rakhovsky) has been contested; witnesses such as Princess Catherine Rejeswald, Armand Alexandre du Blanquet du Shayla, and Stefanov are deemed unreliable or chronologically inconsistent, though their testimonies have informed anti‑Semitic and pro‑Zionist narratives. He notes that the Bern trial (1933–1935) is often misrepresented: three of five defendants were acquitted in 1935; the verdict was overturned in 1937. The trial involved a heavy production of documents, witnesses, and competing agendas, including Soviet involvement in discrediting the text. He points out that the Jewish side funded informants and witnesses, while some anti‑Semitic elements used the trial to claim a Jewish conspiracy; both sides relied on dubious sources (e.g., Dushyler, Raszewl, Stepanov) and with significant money behind the testimonies.
The Paris origin theory is treated with skepticism; the three principal witnesses proving a Paris origin (Radzowal, du Blanquet, Stepanov) are judged unreliable and contradictory, with chronology problems. The speaker argues that the Paris origin is not well supported by solid evidence, and that the Kishinev pogrom (1903) and the Ukraine/Minsk Zionist congresses (1892–1902) provide a more plausible Ukrainian/Jewish context for the protocols’ genesis. He suggests that the Kishinev pogrom and the Pan-Russian Zionist Congress in Minsk could have contributed to a milieu in which a document like the protocols could be formed and disseminated, possibly by a Zionist‑leaning faction or by Zionist activists in the Ukrainian/Russian empire.
An alternative theory by Cesar de Michalis (2004) is discussed: Galinka (Justine Kalinka) and Shaul Shapiro (Shost/Efron) in Paris may be linked to the protocols, with Shapiro as Galinka’s source. Hagemeister and others have verified that Kalinka existed and that Shapiro was a Jew in Galicia, connected to Paris’ Freemasonry networks. The debate remains unresolved; Hagemeister has conceded that the Galinka/Shapiro chain is not proven, though it remains a viable alternative to the Ukrainian origin.
Reibel asserts that the Protocols contain near direct quotations from Herzl’s texts, particularly The Jewish State and other Zionist writings, leading some to argue Zionist influence. He cautions against oversimplification: the designation of a “positive” or “negative” stance toward Jews in the protocols should not obscure the fact that the documents are redacted and edited across editions. He notes that the “Redactor” (Nilus) reshaped the content to suit ideological aims (including the explicit inclusion of Old Testament references in some editions and the removal of others in later ones).
He addresses the “translation problem” by showing Graves’ claims of a French origin are built on translations from Russian into English and on an unreliably translated “mister X” from Constantinople; the evidence for a pure French origin is weak. He argues that the analogies with Jolie’s Dialogues and other works are not as close as claimed, and that the practice of excerpting or rephrasing quotes makes direct plagiarism claims suspect. He concludes that the origin of the protocols most plausibly lies in a Ukrainian‑Russian Jewish environment in the early 1900s, with Zionist and anti‑Zionist factions vying for influence, and that the Paris/France‑based theory is less supported by verifiable sources.
In closing, Reibel previews a forthcoming publication of an original Russian text of the protocols, accompanied by an English translation, to enable a more precise comparison and analysis. He invites further study and notes that a future discussion will continue to explore the origins and the historical reception of the protocols.
The Q&A session covers: Hitler’s knowledge of the protocols (Hitler persecuted the idea but was familiar with them; he likely knew the Zumbieck edition in German), whether any protocol claim is an outright lie (the only obvious factual mischaracterization is the translator’s insertion about Darwinism and related ideas, attributed to Nilus), the scholarly approach to presenting conclusions (balanced discussion with counterevidence), and the significance of plagiarism debates (plagiarism claims are rhetorically potent but do not alone determine authenticity). Additional questions address the complexity of origins, the influence of white Russian émigrés on early Nazism, and strategic recommendations for supporters of this research and movement, including local activism and building parallel institutions. The session ends with gratitude to the audience and a note that the talk will be available for download.