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A congressional committee member questioned a USAID representative about whether the agency funded gain-of-function research, presenting a 2015 paper co-authored by the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Dr. Barrick, funded by USAID's PREDICT program through EcoHealth Alliance, as evidence. The paper described creating a novel virus by combining the SARS virus backbone with an s protein from another virus. The committee member cited expert opinions stating this research created a novel virus that grows well in human cells and poses a new risk to humanity. He also mentioned the 2018 DIFUSE project, presented to DARPA and attended by USAID, which proposed creating a coronavirus with a furin cleavage site. He requested the name of the USAID attendee to understand why this project wasn't revealed to the public, especially after COVID-19 emerged. The USAID representative stated the agency had not authorized gain-of-function research and would look into the specific claims and the DARPA meeting. She acknowledged the importance of understanding the past to prevent future risks and assured cooperation with the committee.

The speakers discuss concerns about unwanted attention on the relationships between Western virologists and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Speaker 1 claims that money was sent to a Chinese lab that was not following proper protocols and was conducting gain of function research, suggesting that this is where the virus originated. Speaker 0 agrees with this statement.

Speaker 0 believes all COVID documents under seal in the United States should be unclassified. Speaker 1 agrees and states they are complying with congressional subpoenas for all NIH documents related to COVID-19. This will reveal what the U.S. government knew and discussed leading up to the pandemic. However, the Chinese government is not providing the same level of transparency. For example, the NIH requested lab notebooks from the Wuhan experimenters, but they were not shared.

Did USAID fund coronavirus research in Wuhan? We did not fund gain of function research. The PREDICT program, which ended in 2019, did involve funding that may have gone to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. There are concerns about funding to the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in China, but records are not accessible. Despite requests for documents related to the PREDICT program, USAID has not provided them, raising suspicions about transparency. The agency claims to have shared documents with relevant committees, but there is frustration over the lack of information available to senators. There is a demand for clarity on grants related to coronaviruses, as the ongoing lack of response leads to concerns about potential hidden information regarding the origins of COVID-19.

The issue at hand is that funding was provided to a lab in China, which is now embarrassing. The lab is located near the epicenter of the pandemic and has been involved in suspicious activities. The doctors were arrested and forced to sign nondisclosure agreements, lab reports were destroyed, and sequences from the lab were deleted from the NIH database. Two top virologists initially believed the virus likely originated from the lab, but later changed their stance in the media. It is worth noting that both scientists received a significant amount of money for further research, suggesting a potential conflict of interest.

Speaker 0 asks how much USAID money went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina to create weaponized coronaviruses. Speaker 1 rejects the implicit accusation and says they don't have the specific details of USAID funding at their fingertips. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 is stating for certain that no USAID money went to the Wuhan Institute. Speaker 1 says they are happy to take questions from those in the audience who treat every person respectfully, and calls on someone else. Speaker 0 asks what Speaker 1 is denying. Speaker 0 says it's a non-denial denial.

Speaker 0 denies funding gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Speaker 1 reveals that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded research on a bat coronavirus at the Wuhan lab, making it more contagious. Speaker 2 questions Dr. Fauci about his previous statement, but he stands by it. Speaker 3 mentions a letter raising concerns about experiments in the Wuhan lab. Speaker 0 interrupts and accuses Senator Paul of lying. Speaker 2 argues that if the virus originated from the lab, those who funded it should be held responsible. Speaker 4 states that the NIH admitted funding gain of function research at the Wuhan lab, contradicting Dr. Fauci's claims. Speaker 0 maintains that he has never lied before Congress.

Speaker 1 asks the Secretary of State if he is aware that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) announced collaboration on chimeric viruses and declared coronaviruses as genetic weapons. The Secretary of State says he cannot speak to the specifics but expresses ongoing concerns about compliance. Speaker 1 questions whether American taxpayers should fund research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Academy of Military Medical Sciences, considering reports of double billing by the CCP and their alleged bioweapons program. The Secretary of State clarifies that the US is not currently funding such research, but mentions past programs that aimed to gain better understanding and ensure safety and security. Speaker 1 concludes by thanking the Secretary of State.

Republicans on the subcommittee recount two years of work aimed at linking the COVID-19 origin to a Wuhan lab, arguing that Democrats hindered the pursuit of truth by blocking hearings. They contend mounting evidence supports a lab-origin, and they frame the hearing as a step toward uncovering the truth for Americans who have suffered from COVID-19. Dr. Redfield is cited as having pointed to the lab-leak hypothesis as early as 2020, urging Fauci, Jeremy Farrar, and Tedros to take the lab-leak possibility seriously and to investigate both lab-origin and natural-origin hypotheses. Farrar convened an 11-scientist meeting across five time zones on February 1, inviting Fauci to join, with a note to treat the matter in total confidence. Redfield notes he was excluded from that call despite being included in prior discussions, and asks why he was left out. Emails following the February 1 conference show the four scientists who had attended later told Fauci that they found the genetic sequence inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. Yet, just three days later, these four scientists drafted the proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper, arguing the opposite. The subcommittee asks for the likelihood that these scientists, after making that earlier statement, could conclude with such certainty that COVID-19 came from nature instead of a lab leak, and suggests Fauci prompted the paper to discredit the lab-leak theory. Speaker 0 characterizes the February 2020 approach as antithetical to science, saying science requires debate and that this process squashed debate. They ask whether Fauci used the proximal-origin paper to hide gain-of-function research that created the virus. Speaker 1 responds that they cannot speak to Fauci’s motivation but asserts the paper is inaccurate and part of a narrative to support a natural-origin story. They state the pandemic did not start in January at the seafood market, noting infections as early as September, and allege a narrative was decided to claim a wet market origin and to negate discussion about a laboratory origin. With twenty seconds left, Speaker 0 raises a point that Fauci was told in January 2020 about NIH’s monetary relationship with the Wuhan Institute through EcoHealth Alliance and asks whether Fauci intentionally lied under oath when denying NIH funding of gain-of-function research. Speaker 1 asserts there is no doubt NIH funded gain-of-function research and adds that American tax dollars funded gain-of-function research from NIH, the State Department, USAID, and DOD. The exchange ends with Speaker 0 noting time and recognizing Ms. Dink.

Did USAID fund coronavirus research in Wuhan, China? We did not fund gain of function research. However, the PREDICT program, which ended in 2019, did involve funding that may have reached the Wuhan Institute of Virology. There are concerns about transparency regarding grants and funding, especially related to the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in China. Despite requests for records on the PREDICT program, USAID has not provided the necessary documents. The lack of information raises suspicions about what research was conducted, particularly proposals related to creating viruses similar to COVID-19. There is frustration over the perceived stonewalling by the agency, as senators seek clarity on funding and research proposals linked to coronaviruses in China.

The speaker was asked about USAID funding for research in Wuhan and at the University of North Carolina. They denied the accusation and did not have specific details. The speaker avoided directly answering if USAID money was used in Wuhan. They preferred respectful questions and moved on without giving a clear denial.

We did not fund gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The NIH has acknowledged funding research on a bat coronavirus that was enhanced in a lab, making it more contagious. Senator Paul questioned whether I wish to retract my statement from May 11, asserting that the NIH never funded gain of function research in Wuhan. I stand by my statement and have never lied before Congress. The NIH provided grants to the EcoHealth Alliance for experiments with bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. If anyone is lying, it is you, Senator. Evidence suggests the virus may have originated from the lab, and those who funded it will be held responsible. The NIH admitted to funding controversial gain of function research, contradicting my earlier claims. I maintain that I have not lied before Congress. Case closed.

According to Speaker 1, Dr. Fauci was informed via email on January 27, 2020, that NIAID had a financial connection to the Wuhan Institute through EcoHealth Alliance. Speaker 1 believes NIH was funding gain of function research. Speaker 1 also claims American tax dollars likely funded gain of function research that created the virus, not only from NIH, but also from the State Department, USAID, and DOD.

The speaker was asked about USAID funding for work in Wuhan and creating weaponized coronaviruses. They denied the accusation and stated they did not have specific details. When pressed if USAID money went to Wuhan, they avoided a direct answer and requested respectful questions. The conversation ended with the speaker being accused of giving a non-denial denial.

Did USAID fund coronavirus research in Wuhan, China? We did not fund gain of function research. The PREDICT program, which ended in 2019, did have grants that may have gone to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I have requested records from the PREDICT program to understand the funding and research conducted, but USAID has not provided these documents. Despite multiple requests and a letter from 25 senators, we have received no information. We want to know about any grants related to coronaviruses, especially those that could have led to COVID-19. The lack of transparency raises suspicions about what information is being withheld. We seek clarity on all research proposals related to coronaviruses funded by the U.S. government.

The speaker questions the amount of money that went from USAID to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and their collaborator at the University of North Carolina. The other speaker rejects the accusation and doesn't have the specific details about USAID funding. The first speaker asks if they are certain that no USAID money went to Wuhan, but the second speaker avoids answering and asks for respectful questions. The first speaker insists on a denial, but the second speaker dismisses it as a non-denial denial.

The origin of the virus is debated, with some suggesting a lab leak in China. The NIH denies funding gain of function research in Wuhan, but acknowledges funding research on a bat coronavirus. The debate centers on whether the research involved gain of function, which aims to increase transmissibility to humans. Accusations are exchanged, with one party claiming misinformation and the other calling for prosecution.

USAID denies funding gain of function research despite evidence showing otherwise. Questions raised about lack of transparency regarding dangerous research projects. Request made to interview USAID personnel present at briefing about risky virus creation. USAID emphasizes cooperation and commitment to avoiding risky research in the future.

We did not fund gain of function research in Wuhan. A bat coronavirus was enhanced in a lab. NIH funded research at Wuhan Institute, making a virus more contagious. Fauci denies lying to congress. Questions raised about experiments in Wuhan lab. NIH funded EcoHealth Alliance for bat coronavirus experiments. Fauci denies lying, blames Senator Paul. NIH admitted funding gain of function research in Wuhan lab. Fauci insists he did not lie.

Speaker 0 believes all COVID documents under seal in the United States should be unclassified. Speaker 1 agrees and states they are complying with congressional subpoenas for all NIH documents related to COVID-19. This will reveal what the U.S. government knew and discussed leading up to the pandemic. However, the Chinese government is not providing the same level of transparency. For example, the NIH requested lab notebooks from the Wuhan experimenters, but they were not shared.

The speakers discuss concerns about unwanted attention on the relationships between Western virologists and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Speaker 1 suggests that money was sent to a Chinese lab that was not following proper protocols and was conducting gain of function research, which is believed to be the origin of the current situation. Speaker 0 agrees with this statement.

Speaker 0 asks about the amount of money from USAID that went to Wuhan and their collaborator at the University of North Carolina to create weaponized coronaviruses. Speaker 1 rejects the accusation and admits to not having the specific details of USAID funding. Speaker 0 presses for a clear answer, but Speaker 1 deflects and requests respectful questions from the audience. Speaker 0 insists on a denial, calling Speaker 1's response a nondenial denial.

A member of the World Health Organization team reveals that some researchers at a Wuhan lab studying coronaviruses got sick with flu-like symptoms in the fall of 2019. However, there were only 1 or 2 cases, which is not significant. China claims that the lab researchers tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 in March-April 2020, and there is no credible evidence of a lab leak. A 300-page joint report between the WHO and China will be published soon, but concerns have been raised about the WHO team's lack of proper access and the need to clear their report with Chinese scientists. China insists it has been transparent, while the Biden administration questions its transparency.

American tax dollars likely funded gain-of-function research that created the virus, according to the speakers. They mention funding from various government agencies, including NIH, the State Department, USAID, and DOD. They argue that Dr. Fauci, under whose direction the research was conducted, is responsible for teaching Chinese military scientists how to build weapons of mass destruction. They also claim that Fauci funded a technique called seamless ligation, which hides human tampering on the virus. The speakers question the justification for funding such research and highlight the involvement of USAID, the Department of Defense, and the CIA. They suggest a cover-up and raise concerns about the origins of the virus.

The transcript revolves around claims and counterclaims regarding whether the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Dr. Anthony Fauci funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Dr. Fauci denies that the NIH and NIAID "categorically" funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan and states he has never lied to Congress. He asserts Senator Paul does not know what he is talking about. Others claim the NIH provided grant money to a research group that conducted experiments with bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. They allege the NIH acknowledged funding research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology that unexpectedly made a bat coronavirus more contagious. One speaker states that the NIH funded controversial gain-of-function research using coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab, contradicting Dr. Fauci’s claims. Another speaker suggests that evidence points to the virus originating from the lab and that those who funded the lab will be held responsible.