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The speaker claims someone is lying about a conversation and has fabricated components of it. The speaker reveres the office of the presidency and will keep the readout confidential, but asserts the individual in question has been a "stone cold liar" regarding their discussion. The speaker states the National Guard was never discussed. The speaker would like to share what was actually discussed, claiming it would be shocking, but attorneys prevent them from doing so.

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Secrecy is unacceptable in a free society. Avoiding nuclear war is crucial, as victory would be meaningless. Correspondence with Khrushchev saved the world. We face a global conspiracy that uses covert methods to expand its influence.

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Speaker 0: Our only opportunity, our only chance to save our democracy is to fight fire with fire right now. Speaker 0: So, yeah, do I bemoan the fact that, you know, we're now blowing up norms? Yes. Speaker 0: So you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country. Speaker 1: When I hear that, I wonder if Is there enough people that believe that same thing? And until you get more to believe that, that may be why the Democrats aren't rowing in the same direction yet. Speaker 0: You can't get people to believe it if you don't act like it.

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Secrecy is unacceptable in a free society, and we have historically opposed secret societies and oaths. The risks of concealing important information outweigh the reasons given for such concealment. We cannot combat a closed society by adopting its restrictions. Our nation’s survival must include the preservation of our traditions. There is a significant danger that calls for increased security will be misused to justify censorship and concealment. I will not allow this to happen, and no official in my administration should interpret my words as permission to censor news, suppress dissent, or hide facts from the public. We face a relentless conspiracy that uses covert methods to expand its influence, relying on infiltration, subversion, intimidation, and guerrilla tactics rather than open conflict.

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Speaker 1 hesitates when covering government cover-ups because they can be dangerous, unlike topics like Bigfoot or UFOs. Speaker 1 considers themself a patriot, pro-military, and pro-law enforcement, but also anti-war and pro-criminal justice reform. They value fairness and transparency and would like to think the government is good. However, their journey has shown them that it is mostly not, as it is made of flawed and selfish men. Justifications can be made for doing terrible things to stay ahead of terrible people. Speaker 1 says collateral damage is just part of it, such as giving settlements to people to stay quiet for national security.

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I want to address our responsibilities in the face of a common danger that has loomed for years. This challenge confronts us in every sphere and demands that we reconcile two seemingly contradictory needs: greater public information and greater official secrecy. Secrecy is repugnant in a free society, and we oppose unwarranted concealment. Imitating a closed society is of little value, and there's grave danger that increased security will lead to official censorship, which I will not permit. No one in my administration should use this as an excuse to censor, stifle dissent, cover up mistakes, or withhold facts from the press and public. I ask every publisher, editor, and newsman to reexamine their own standards.

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Dan Bongino posted on X that something he learned from his time at the FBI shocked him to his core, stating, "we cannot run a republic like this, and I'll never be the same after learning what I've learned." Speaker 1 responded that they have seen up close the tactics used by those who care more for themselves, their ambition, their job, their influence, their political interests, and their selfish, self-serving interests than they care about the Constitution. They stated that every law enforcement and intelligence community professional swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Speaker 1 expressed their own frustrations but affirmed their resolve is rooted in love for the country and belief in its founding values, and therefore, they feel a responsibility to do something about what they are revealing, seeing, and experiencing firsthand.

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Secrecy is not compatible with a free society. We oppose secret societies and oaths. The dangers of hiding important facts outweigh the reasons given to justify it. We shouldn't imitate a closed society's restrictions. Our nation's survival is meaningless without preserving our traditions. Increased security should not lead to censorship and concealment. No official in my administration should interpret my words as an excuse for censorship or covering up mistakes. We face a ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means to expand its influence. It's a tightly knit system that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. We must inform and alert the American people. We welcome controversy and will admit our errors. Debate and criticism are essential for success and survival. The press has a duty to inform, reflect, and lead public opinion. We need better coverage and understanding of international news. Government must provide full information within the limits of national security. The printing press is crucial for strength and assistance in maintaining freedom and independence.

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The speaker addresses publishers and editors regarding common responsibilities in the face of a common danger that has loomed for years. This challenge confronts society in every sphere and imposes two requirements that seem contradictory: greater public information and greater official secrecy. The speaker states that secrecy is repugnant in a free society, and the dangers of unwarranted concealment outweigh the dangers cited to justify it. There is little value in opposing a closed society by imitating its restrictions or ensuring national survival if traditions don't survive with it. The speaker does not intend to permit official censorship and concealment. No official should interpret these words as an excuse to censor news, stifle dissent, cover up mistakes, or withhold facts from the press and public. The speaker asks every publisher, editor, and newsman to reexamine their own standards.

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I want to address our shared duties when facing a common threat. Recent events might highlight this challenge, but its threat has been apparent for years. Regardless of our hopes for reducing or living with this threat, we cannot escape its impact on our survival and security, affecting every part of our lives. Our society faces two needs that concern both the press and the president: greater public information and greater official secrecy. Secrecy is disliked in a free society, and we oppose secret societies and proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of hiding facts outweigh the reasons for it. There's little value in fighting a closed society by copying its restrictions or saving our nation if our traditions don't survive too. There's a big risk that increased security will lead to official censorship and concealment, which I won't allow. No one in my administration should use my words to justify censoring news, suppressing disagreement, hiding mistakes, or withholding information from the press and public. I urge every publisher, editor, and newsman to reassess their standards.

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Secrecy is repugnant to a free society. We oppose secret societies, oaths, and proceedings. Excessive concealment of facts is more dangerous than the threats it claims to protect against. We shouldn't imitate a closed society's restrictions. Our nation's survival is meaningless without preserving our traditions. Increased security shouldn't lead to censorship or cover-ups. We face a ruthless conspiracy that expands through covert means, infiltration, subversion, and intimidation. This system combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. It operates in secrecy, burying mistakes and silencing dissenters. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, and no secret is revealed. Democracies must consider stricter restraints for national security against this kind of attack and invasion.

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Speaker 0 suggests that there are whispered, sacred warnings about names that could cause the entire system to collapse if revealed. Speaker 1 counters, questioning the idea that pursuing truth might destabilize the institution or that exposing misconduct to the highest levels could fracture public confidence. The conclusion should be to proceed with truth, not to be cautious or to avoid exposure. An institution worthy of loyalty does not require protection from the truth; it requires fidelity to it. Speaker 1 asserts that preserving order by concealing or sugar-coating the truth is not acceptable. They argue that a healthy system does not fear exposure; it metabolizes it, prosecutes it, survives it, adjusts, and keeps moving. When exposure is met with rage, deflection, or theatrical outrage, and when questions are treated as acts of sabotage, that behavior is described as a fever rather than true confidence. A fever implies infection, and infection does not announce itself. Speaker 0 interrupts or trails off as the conversation shifts, and Speaker 1 reiterates the concern that the system’s handling of truth reveals its true character and resilience or fragility, depending on how questions are managed. The dialogue converges on a central question: if the truth can break something, what was that thing built on? The exchange emphasizes the tension between safeguarding institutional stability and upholding uncompromising fidelity to the truth, with the latter being framed as essential for the system’s health and longevity. The speakers highlight the difference between exposure being managed as a constructive process versus being treated as an act of sabotage, underscoring that how truth is confronted determines whether the system strengthens or destabilizes. The conversation leaves the reader with the persistent question of the foundational basis of the institution in light of potential truth-telling.

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Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 thinks someone should be jailed for misrepresenting and lying to voters about Governor Nate Schatzlein asking cartel members to come into the country legally. Speaker 1 says people lie about him every day and he doesn't think that merits a year in jail, and he doesn't want to limit free speech. He'd rather people be able to lie than be jailed for it. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 sees how such a lie could significantly impact an election. Speaker 1 says the lie is refutable. Speaker 1 doesn't think someone should spend a year or even a day in jail for lying. He believes that when you run for office, people can lie about you, tell the truth, or hold you accountable. Speaker 0 argues it's about election integrity if voters decide based on fabricated information. Speaker 1's time then expires.

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Secrecy is not compatible with a free society. We oppose secret societies and oaths. The dangers of hiding important information outweigh any benefits. We shouldn't imitate closed societies. Our nation's survival depends on preserving our traditions. We must not let increased security lead to censorship and concealment. We face a powerful conspiracy that relies on covert tactics. It uses infiltration, subversion, and intimidation. It operates in secrecy and silences dissenters. We need public scrutiny and debate for a successful administration and country. The press plays a crucial role in informing and alerting the American people. We must accept responsibility for our mistakes and welcome criticism. Without debate and criticism, no country can succeed. The press must inform, reflect, and lead public opinion. International news is important, and the government must provide full information while ensuring national security. The printing press is vital for preserving freedom and independence.

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Secrecy is not welcomed in a free society. We oppose secret societies, oaths, and proceedings. Excessive concealment of facts is more dangerous than the threats it claims to protect against. We should not imitate a closed society's restrictions. Our nation's survival is meaningless without preserving our traditions. Increased security should not lead to censorship and concealment. No official should interpret this as an excuse to censor news or cover up mistakes. We are opposed by a ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means. It is a system that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations, mistakes, and dissenters are hidden. Public scrutiny is necessary for understanding and support. We welcome controversy and intend to be candid about our errors. Without debate and criticism, no administration or country can succeed. The press is protected by the First Amendment to inform and reflect our dangers and choices. International news requires greater coverage and analysis. Government must provide full information within the limits of national security. We rely on the printing press to keep us free and independent.

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Throughout history, leaders and generals have used distraction, deception, untruths, and a mix of truth in military campaigns. According to Speaker 1, the government is capable of disinformation campaigns, psychological operations, and information warfare. Speaker 1 claims to have participated in information warfare campaigns against Al Qaeda and ISIS, involving deception, lies, misinformation, and disinformation to sway the audience. Speaker 1 believes QAnon is a well-executed SIOP (Single Integrated Operational Plan) directed against the American people.

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When I was a cadet at West Point, we had a motto: "You will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do." However, as the former CIA director, I must admit that we did engage in lying, cheating, and stealing. It was a part of our training and it made me reflect on the essence of the American experiment.

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Speaker 1 believes that the person in question lied to the justice department. They also think that this person is mischaracterizing the Presidential Records Act by claiming certain privileges and rights. Speaker 1 finds it absurd that this person can consider battle plans and national security information as personal papers. The Presidential Records Act was created to prevent presidents from taking official documents out of the White House, and it restricts what a president can take. Speaker 1 argues that these documents are not purely private and that the president's argument is absurd.

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Secrecy is repugnant in a free society, and we oppose secret societies and oaths. Excessive concealment of facts is more dangerous than the threats it claims to protect against. Increased security shouldn't lead to censorship or cover-ups. We face a global conspiracy that relies on covert tactics to expand its influence. It's a system that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. We must inform and alert the American people, and I welcome criticism and debate. Our press is protected by the First Amendment to inform and reflect on our dangers and opportunities. We need better coverage of international news and improved understanding. Government must provide information within the limits of national security. We rely on the press to keep us free and independent.

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The speaker asserts that secrecy is repugnant in a free society, and the dangers of unwarranted concealment outweigh those cited to justify it. They state that increased security should not expand to official censorship, and no official should use these words to censor news, stifle dissent, or cover up mistakes. The speaker asks every publisher, editor, and newsman to reexamine their standards and recognize the country's peril. Although no war has been declared, the speaker claims the nation's way of life is under attack, and the danger has never been more clear or imminent. The speaker calls for a change in outlook and tactics by the government, people, and the press, because the nation is opposed by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means, infiltration, subversion, and intimidation. This system combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations, and conducts the Cold War with a wartime discipline.

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Secrecy is not valued in a free society. We oppose secret societies and their oaths and proceedings. The dangers of hiding important facts outweigh any justifications for secrecy. We shouldn't imitate a closed society's restrictions. Our nation's survival is meaningless without preserving our traditions. Increased security shouldn't lead to censorship or concealment. I won't allow it. We face a ruthless conspiracy that expands through covert means like infiltration and subversion. This system is highly efficient, combining military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. It conceals preparations, buries mistakes, and silences dissenters. We need public scrutiny for understanding, support, and opposition. I welcome controversy and will admit our errors. The president has been shot and killed at the intersection of Elm and Houston streets, according to a doctor from Parkland Hospital.

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Secrecy is not compatible with a free society. We oppose secret societies and oaths. Excessive concealment of facts is more dangerous than the threats it claims to protect against. We shouldn't imitate closed societies' restrictions. Our nation's survival is meaningless without preserving our traditions. Increased security should not lead to censorship or concealment. No official should interpret my words as an excuse for censorship or cover-ups. We face a ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means. It conscripts vast resources for military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations, mistakes, and dissenters are hidden. Public scrutiny is essential for understanding and support. We accept responsibility for our errors and expect you to point them out. Debate and criticism are vital for success and survival. The press is protected to inform, reflect, and lead public opinion. Government must provide information beyond national security limits. We rely on the press to uphold freedom and independence.

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The entire justice enterprise in The United States depends upon an honor system. It depends upon them telling the truth. It depends upon them abiding a promise they made to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we are long past the days when that oath was backed in most people by a fear of going to hell. And so it turns out it's an honor system. To get information, to be able to find the truth, and the truth is a real thing. There are facts. That honor system has to be enforced with an iron fist so the system will work, so the truth can be found in a reliable way.

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Secrecy is repugnant in a free society. The assassination of President Kennedy occurred at 1 PM CST. We must overcome societal divisions – racial, economic, etc. – and work together. The assassinations of both Kennedy brothers are acknowledged. The dangers of excessive concealment outweigh the justifications for it. We must not let the need for security be used to expand censorship. The CIA’s purpose was creating constant wars for the military-industrial complex. Many Americans distrust the Warren Commission report. We must protect our freedoms; they are coming after us. No official should use my words as an excuse to censor, stifle dissent, or withhold facts. Some media push personal agendas, threatening our democracy. We seek a true peace, not one enforced by American weapons; we all share this planet and our children’s future.

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Joe Rogan Experience #410 - Sam Harris
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Joe Rogan and Sam Harris discuss the complexities of criticizing Islam in a politically correct climate, highlighting the double standards in how religions are treated. Harris expresses concern over the inability to critique Islam without being labeled Islamophobic, attributing this to a mix of white guilt and political correctness. He argues that certain interpretations of Islam are directly linked to violence and extremism, and that the reluctance to address these issues hinders progress. They touch on the protests in Saudi Arabia regarding women's rights, emphasizing the risks involved in challenging oppressive systems. Rogan and Harris also discuss the role of religion in society, suggesting that while it may have provided a moral framework historically, it can also lead to harmful ideologies and behaviors. Harris shares his experiences with the backlash he faced for his views, particularly regarding the media's portrayal of his stance on Islam. He argues that the conflation of criticism of Islam with racism prevents honest discourse and understanding of the religion's more extreme interpretations. The conversation shifts to the implications of technology and surveillance, with Harris suggesting that advancements in lie detection could change how society interacts with truth and deception. They explore the potential consequences of such technology on privacy and personal freedom, debating whether the benefits of increased security outweigh the costs to individual liberties. Rogan raises concerns about the history of government deception and false flag operations, questioning the motivations behind U.S. foreign policy and military actions. Harris counters that while there are certainly instances of government misconduct, the majority of actions taken are not driven by a conspiracy but rather by the complexities of governance and the need for security. They conclude by discussing the importance of honesty in personal relationships and the broader implications of deception in society. Harris emphasizes that a commitment to truthfulness can lead to healthier interactions and a more functional society, while Rogan reflects on the challenges of navigating a world filled with misinformation and competing narratives.
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