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Speaker 0 questions whether Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state. Speaker 1 answers yes, it was deliberate and systematic, even on record: “Whoever wants to avoid the threat of a two state solution has to support my policy of paying protection money to the Hamas.” With the prime minister’s permission, Qatar was allowed to transfer a huge amount of cash, probably more than $1,400,000,000. By doing it, they increased Hamas’s power, with the objective that Hamas would continue to control Gaza while the Palestinian Authority would control the West Bank so they would fight each other. Speaker 0 states that Netanyahu maintained the Qatar money was to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe. Having helped to build up Hamas, Netanyahu has now vowed to destroy it. He “fed the beast,” and it exploded in our face. If national security strategy is based solely on force, then one would need to win twenty four seven forever.

I oppose this resolution as a United States citizen because it harms us. We have a moral responsibility for both sides in the Middle East conflict, as we provide aid to Arab nations and Israel. However, American weapons and funds are being used to kill Palestinians. Our intervention in areas like Gaza often leads to blowback. Hamas was initially encouraged by Israel to counteract Arafat, but we wanted to impose our democratic system on the world. We encouraged Palestinians to have a free election, which resulted in Hamas becoming dominant. It doesn't make sense that we indirectly and directly helped establish Hamas and now have to kill them. In the past, we allied with Osama bin Laden and financed madrasa schools to radicalize Muslims. There are many reasons to oppose this resolution.

The speaker says the United States is Israel's last ally besides the UK and that Americans lack perspective due to lies from the political class and media. Citing Haley's 2023 remark: 'Last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them and eliminating Hamas. It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel.' They assert: 'Israel could not survive without The United States' and that 'every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from The United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people.' They claim Haley was never asked to explain how that could be true, and warn that discussing geopolitics invites accusations of antisemitism, creating a 'state of perpetual intimidation' and no honest conversation.

The speaker discusses the moral responsibility the US holds in the conflict in Gaza, as American weapons and funds are being used. They mention how US intervention has led to unintended consequences, such as the rise of Hamas. The speaker criticizes US actions in the Middle East, including supporting radical groups like Hamas and Osama bin Laden in the past. They argue against a resolution that they believe is not in the best interest of the US or Israel.

Israel is accused of deliberately starving Gaza's population, committing war crimes and endangering its own security. The speaker believes the US must stop providing weapons to Israel to end the violence, as the current government is seen as a murderous gang with a vision of controlling Palestinian lands through ethnic cleansing. The US is criticized for being the sole supporter of Israel.

Israel encouraged and started Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat. The speaker claims this served Israel's purpose at the time. The U.S. imposes its system on the world, such as invading Iraq to teach people how to be Democrats. The U.S. encouraged Palestinians to have a free election, and they elected Hamas. The speaker asserts the U.S. indirectly and directly, through Israel, helped establish Hamas. After Hamas became dominant through the election, the U.S. then had to kill them. The speaker concludes this does not make sense.

Speaker 0 argues that Israel, through its lobby, has manifested so much power over the United States Congress that the country is embroiled in wars they believe they should not be in. He states that whenever Israel is mentioned, someone claims you’re an anti-Semite, and he contends that policies in the Middle East have been one-sided and subjective, leading to many enemies and the importing of terrorists as a consequence. He asserts: “Israel through their lobby has manifested total power of the congress of the United,” and expresses a concern that taxpayers and the citizens of the United States should control their government, not a foreign entity. Speaker 1 challenges these assertions, saying: “You did. That’s not what you said. You said they’re controlling our foreign policy. They’re controlling our domestic policy.” He presses back, stating: “That quote, they are influencing and the sole control of influencing of our domestic policy is an absurdity. It sounds like you are a kook.” He explicitly disputes the idea that Israel controls the Congress and domestic policy. Speaker 0 clarifies, “I believe they control the senate and the house foreign affairs committee.” Speaker 1 repeats that claim as insane, prompting Speaker 0 to insist: “I’m not suggesting it. I served in congress for seven…,” implying a longer service and experience to support his concerns, though the sentence is cut off. The exchange centers on claims of disproportionate Israeli influence in U.S. federal policy, the objectivity of Middle East policy, and the contention that foreign lobbies, particularly related to Israel, have undue power over congressional decision-making, contrasted with direct rebuttals labeling such claims as irrational or insane.

As an American citizen, I believe resolutions like this harm us. The situation in the Middle East, particularly in Gaza, holds moral responsibility for both sides. The US provides aid to Arab nations and Israel, so we have a stake in this. However, we often overlook the political consequences of our intervention. For example, Israel initially supported Hamas to counteract a different group, but now we are dealing with the repercussions. We have a history of supporting groups that later become our enemies, like Osama bin Laden. Therefore, there are multiple reasons why we should oppose this resolution, as it is not in the best interest of the United States or Israel.

The speaker claims the Hamas Charter, written in 1988, has no status and doesn't apply anymore. They contrast this with the governing party in Israel, rooted in Herut, which they say maintains the position that the entire land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including Jordan. The speaker describes a cycle since 2005: Israel disregards ceasefire agreements, maintains the siege, and increases violence; Hamas initially complies until Israeli escalation provokes a reaction. They state Hamas is not a nice organization, but that is for the Palestinians to worry about. The speaker asserts the U.S. is not supporting Hamas. Instead, the U.S. supports massive criminal operations all over the region, blocking peace, which the speaker believes should be the focus.

In the 1980s, the United States supported the freedom fighters in Afghanistan, including Osama bin Laden. We funded them because we believed they hated the Russians more than us. However, once they defeated the Russians, they turned against us. This has been a recurring problem in our foreign policy, regardless of political party. We have seen these weapons come back to threaten Israel, and the support for Syrian rebels has also posed a threat. The War Caucus in Congress armed bin Laden and the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union, which was the official position of our State Department. It is clear that this strategy did not work out well.

The speaker argues that it is not Hamas but the Palestinians themselves who are causing problems. They provide examples of Arab countries expelling Palestinians due to their support for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and their attempts to destabilize Jordan's government. The Palestinians then allied with socialist and Marxist organizations in Lebanon, leading to a devastating civil war. The speaker suggests that Arab nations refuse to accept Palestinian refugees because they understand the historical consequences.

What's happening in The Middle East, in particular with Gaza right now, we have some more responsibility for both sides in a way because we provide help and funding for both Arab nations and Israel. And so we definitely have a moral responsibility, and especially now today, the weapons being used to kill so many Palestinians are American weapons, and American funds is essentially are being used for this. But there's a political liability, which I think is something that we fail to look at because too often there's so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn't be involved in. Hamas, if you look at the history, you'll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat. And he said, well, that was better then and served his purpose, but we didn't want Hamas to do this. Then we have election, then Hamas becomes dominant, so we have to kill him.

Israel encouraged and started Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat. The speaker claims this served Israel's purpose at the time. The U.S. imposes its system on the world, such as invading Iraq to teach people how to be Democrats. The U.S. encouraged Palestinians to have a free election, and they elected Hamas. The speaker claims the U.S. indirectly and directly through Israel helped establish Hamas. Because Hamas became dominant after the election, the U.S. then had to kill them. The speaker concludes that this does not make sense.

Israel is a democracy and an ally. One speaker believes Israel has a powerful stranglehold on the American government, controlling members of the House and Senate. They claim Israel has the U.S. involved in wars of little or no interest, bankrupting the nation and resulting in American children returning in body bags. The speaker asserts that Israel controls much of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, influencing the media and commerce, and that they "own the congress." They allege Wolfowitz, as under secretary of defense, manipulated President Bush to go back into Iraq and pushed to move into Iran. When asked if they are an anti-Semite, the speaker denies it, stating that this is what they will say. They claim the U.S. has a one-sided foreign policy in the Mideast, alienating Arabs who then export violence to America. They state Israel gets approximately $15 billion a year from American taxpayers, which is $30,000 for every man, woman, and child.

The speaker acknowledges that the Israeli government and the US are part of the problem. They mention that in 2000, the Israeli government offered a Palestinian state, but it was turned down by Arafat and the PLO. There were also unsuccessful attempts to bring Palestinians and Israelis together during the speaker's time as Secretary of State. The speaker highlights that Israel left Gaza in 2005, but Hamas destroyed the infrastructure left behind and caused harm to Palestinians. They believe it is important to dislodge Hamas and work towards a two-state solution.

Speaker argues the United States is Israel's last large ally besides the UK, with a large cost and limited perspective due to lies from the political class and media. They blame U.S. elected leaders for decades of misrepresentation. Citing Nikki Haley's 2023 Republican primary debate, the quote: "Last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them and eliminating Hamas. It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel." The speaker contends this is inverted: "Israel could not survive without The United States." American backing funds Israeli wars and social services; "every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from The United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people." Haley wasn't asked to explain, and questioning geopolitics is feared as antisemitic, leading to "a state of perpetual intimidation" and "We have not had an honest conversation about this ever."

Speaker 0 centers the discussion on “why is Israel killing Christians,” arguing that Americans and Christians fund Israel and the IDF, and that Christians’ sites are blocked or attacked. He notes Hamas may have Christian members and points out a paradox about secular groups like Fatah having Christian support, asking for a coherent explanation for why Christians are being killed in a conflict not clearly about Christianity. He claims “Hamas was funded by Israel to some extent” and distinguishes religious versus political motivations, suggesting a purely religious motive would foreclose Christian accomplices. He defines terrorism as “the act of murdering the innocent” and says “If you murder the innocent, you are engaged in terrorism.” He argues Israel is not the litmus test; the focus should be on one’s own country, and that “the worst thing you can do is punish the innocent.”

Today, the speaker discusses the common debate of being pro-Israel or pro-Arab, but suggests a third option: being pro-American. They argue that the best interest of the United States is to remain neutral and not involve themselves in conflicts they cannot solve. Instead of giving both sides money and telling them what to do, the speaker proposes defunding both sides. They believe that funding leads to unintended consequences and makes the US complicit in the violence. The speaker advocates for a policy of non-intervention, where the US does not dictate actions but can condemn violence equally. They urge against supporting the resolution.

Speaker argues Netanyahu seeks to make The Middle East in Israel's image and overthrow opponents, aided by the CIA and the United States. He claims the Syria war originated from 'a presidential order by Obama to overthrow Assad starting in the 2011' through 'Operation Timber Sycamore,' with US-led arming of rebels including jihadists, yielding '600,000 dead in Syria.' He says the CIA intended the jihadist group to take power in Syria. He calls for 'real diplomacy' not CIA operations and says the wars in the region are driven by outside powers, with 'America provides the financing' and 'Israel couldn't fight for one day without The United States backing.' He asserts there is 'no international community' and that the US blocked the peace process, leading to '500,000' dead since then, concluding that empires divide to rule and urging US withdrawal for regional self-determination.

Hamas is a resistance organization with a legal right to resist occupation, similar to the French resistance in World War II. The violence in Palestine may constitute genocide, with real-time imagery on social media showing bombings of civilian infrastructure. US policy of backing Israeli actions is creating global resentment, particularly in the Arab and Muslim world, which will negatively impact American foreign policy and national security for a generation. Current US leadership is poor, facing crises at home and abroad. Blinken and Sullivan are considered incompetent. Personal connections to Zionism by figures like Blinken and Biden are inappropriately influencing US foreign policy. The speaker recommends viewing non-US news sources to witness the devastation. A ceasefire is the optimal solution to prevent further escalation.

The discussion centers on how politicization of intelligence has manifested in different eras, comparing past and present administrations. Speaker 0 asks whether the politicized weapons claims about Iraq and the CIA’s statements in the 1990s can be compared to today’s politicization of intelligence under John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard as head of DNI, arguing it is much worse now because of the mediocrity of those in control of key agencies. Speaker 1 counters by recalling the 1980s, noting that there was significant politicization of the Soviet threat to justify Reagan’s defense buildup, and adds that this is why he testified against Robert Gates in 1991. He asserts that politicization is bad, and insists that the current situation is worse than in the past. Speaker 1 explains: “It’s Because I look at the people who are ahead of these groups. Come on. Let’s be serious.” He targets the leadership of the director of national intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA, saying, “Have you ever seen a cabinet in The United States of such mediocrity, of such venality?” He emphasizes his background, stating, “I haven’t,” and that nothing compares to what is going on now, warning that “a lot of damage is being done to The United States and to the constitution of The United States and to the importance of separation of powers and the importance of rule of law and the importance of checks and balances. This is very serious stuff.” Speaker 0 attempts to steer toward historical figures like Robert Maxwell, but Speaker 1 dismisses that concern as off point, insisting he is making a point about Israel. The exchange then shifts to U.S. support for Israel, with Speaker 1 asserting that “Israel gets what it wants from The United States. It gets it from democratic presidents and from republican presidents.” He also criticizes Barack Obama for signing what he calls “that ten year $40,000,000,000 arms aid agreement,” arguing that Obama “never should have signed” it “because they treated Obama so shabbily in the first place.”

Speaker 0 argues that “they’re making hundreds of billions of dollars a year more,” and that this funding emboldens them to give their proxies “weapons, money, and the vigor to attack the Jewish state,” which he says is unacceptable in the international community. He sets the stage for a connection between large flows of money and aggressive action by those proxies. Speaker 1 responds by asserting that “the only reason that Hamas attacked Israel, the only reason they’ll able to is because of increased Iranian funding,” and adds that Hamas is funded “in part” by Iran but that Hamas also receives funding from various other sources. He names possible funders such as Iran and Qatar and questions who funds Iran, suggesting multiple sponsors. Speaker 0 presses the point with a direct question, “Who funds Iran?” prompting Speaker 1 to identify Qatar as a potential funder. Speaker 0 repeats and confirms, expressing uncertainty about specifics by saying, “Buffans? Okay. Who from Hamasi? Of course they do. Right?” Speaker 1 continues with uncertainty, noting that “they were transferring a whole lot of money to the Gaza Strip” and references the Gaza funding issue as a major scandal associated with Netanyahu, described as “one of the big scandals that Netanyahu was involved in,” tied to letting that money pass through to the Gaza Strip, though he adds “I don’t know this is supervision.” In the dialogue’s core, Speaker 0 posits a logical implication: “If Iran gets more money, that’s good for Hamas. Right? You agree on that? Come on.” Speaker 1 responds with a cautious “Broadly speaking,” and Speaker 0 presses further, urging Speaker 1 to concede one point, addressing him by name, Steven. Overall, the exchange centers on the linkage between international funding, particularly Iranian and Gulf-state money, to Hamas and its activities, with attention to the claim that large monetary flows empower proxies to threaten Israel, and with references to past allegations about the transfer of funds to Gaza and the political fallout surrounding those funds.

A congressman from Texas opposes a resolution regarding the situation in Gaza, stating that it harms the United States and Israel. He believes that the US has a moral responsibility for both sides due to providing aid to Arab nations and Israel. However, he also highlights the political liability of intervention and mentions the history of Hamas being indirectly supported by Israel. He criticizes the US for trying to impose its system on the world and mentions the blowback from past actions. The congressman concludes that the resolution is not in the interest of the United States or Israel.

A congressman from Texas opposes a resolution regarding the situation in Gaza, stating that it harms the United States and Israel. He believes that the US has a moral responsibility for both sides due to providing aid to Arab nations and Israel. He highlights the use of American-funded weapons in the conflict. The congressman also criticizes the political liability of US intervention and mentions the history of Hamas, suggesting that it was indirectly supported by Israel. He questions the logic of supporting Hamas and then fighting against them. Additionally, he mentions past alliances with Osama bin Laden and the negative consequences of radicalizing Muslims. He concludes by stating that the resolution is not in the interest of the United States or Israel.

Speaker 0 expresses the belief that as long as Israel exists and is supported by America, there will always be Muslims who pose a threat and seek to harm us. Speaker 1 disagrees, stating that they do not support Israel and do not believe it is worth American lives or dollars. Speaker 0 questions this stance, arguing that Israel is not comparable to other countries like Saudi Arabia. Speaker 1 clarifies that their main concern is the survival of the United States and expresses concern about the influence of APAC and the lobby on American support for Israeli actions.