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Speaker 0 asks why Speaker 1 doesn't feel safe in the US, to which Speaker 1 responds that they believe there will soon be a wave of forced vaccinations disguised as voluntary ones. Speaker 1 mentions that the World Health Organization has been working on vaccines that cause permanent sterility and that illegally approved vaccines contain a substance called squalene. Speaker 2 explains that squalene is used to make vaccines more immunogenic but can also cause adverse reactions. Speaker 1 claims that the US government wants to provoke a pandemic using a live attenuated virus. The conversation ends abruptly.

Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

Twenty percent of Americans did not take the COVID vaccine because it was not safe enough. The mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been chemically modified to resist breakdown by enzymes. The mRNA and spike protein are found in the heart and brain, and the spike protein circulates in the blood for six to nine months post-vaccination. The speaker claims the lethal part of the virus circulates in the blood of vaccinated individuals, especially after boosters, and that it is a killer protein. The speaker asserts safety trumps efficacy and objects to claims that vaccines, specifically the COVID-19 vaccine, saved millions of lives. They state that consent forms do not guarantee the vaccine will save lives and that there has never been a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showing that COVID-19 vaccines reduce mortality or hospitalization.

The speaker believes all vaccines are suspect. As an emergency medicine physician, the speaker thought vaccines only contained a dead or attenuated virus and saline. In September 2000, after reading a package insert and researching vaccines, the speaker was mortified to learn that a child receiving all scheduled vaccines gets almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, almost 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 chemicals. The speaker states that this is why vaccines have never been proven safe, and vaccination is like injecting foreign matter into a baby.

The speakers discuss the presence of animal-derived components in vaccines, such as monkey kidney cells, pig viruses, and cow serum. They mention the use of human cells like MRC-5 and WI-38 in vaccine production, highlighting concerns about human DNA fragments. The conversation also touches on the controversial use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development, with one speaker expressing support for vaccination despite objections based on religious beliefs. The discussion ends with a debate on religious objections to vaccines and the speaker's atheistic views.

The speaker questions the necessity of the tetanus vaccine, stating that the reason given for taking it is a lie. They claim that no one has ever died from tetanus and question why the vaccine is still being administered. The speaker shares their observation that people on welfare did not receive the vaccine, while those who paid privately did, and notes a significant difference in fertility between the two groups. They mention that the tetanus vaccine has been developed as an abortion or sterilization vaccine by the World Health Organization and NIH, with the pregnancy hormone being added to the vaccine. The speaker believes this has been used in various countries, including the US, despite denials. They conclude by stating that these organizations are also supporting the COVID shot.

Speaker 0 asserts that there is no safe vaccine on the childhood schedule and labels themselves an anti-vaxxer because no vaccine has been properly tested for safety. They state that, in the book Vax Facts, you are more likely to die from the vaccine than from the disease for which there is a vaccine, and that this is true for every single vaccine on the childhood schedule. They acknowledge that death from the vaccine is still a death and “super rare,” but claim you are much more likely to die from the vaccine. They ask which do you want: a greater chance of dying from the vaccine or a lesser chance of dying from the disease, noting that for many of these diseases, the risk is zero.

During cross-examination, Speaker 1 describes fetal tissue work: the Wistar Institute study involving 76 fetuses, all three months or older when aborted and normally developed. Tissues were harvested by coworkers, cut up, and cultured, including pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, and heart (tongue probably). In his career, he says he worked with “quite a few” fetuses, but cannot recall exact numbers. He notes objections to using aborted fetal tissue in vaccines and cites that “The Catholic Church has actually issued a document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccines regardless of the fact, and that I I think it implies that I am the individual who will go to hell because of the use of aborted tissues, which I am glad.” Regarding religion, he says “Vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots who believe that the will of God includes death and disease?” and answers “Yes” and “Are you an atheist? Yes.”

Speaker 0 argues that because it’s classified as a vaccine, they don’t have to worry about being sued. Speaker 1 counters that there is immunity from liability dependent on there having been no fraud, and asserts that there clearly was fraud, so in light of that... Speaker 0 expresses surprise at known caveats to liability. Speaker 1 confirms the caveats and says it makes the situation more interesting. Speaker 0 asks how fraud is defined in this context, noting that drugs were sold with many studies but only one was good. Speaker 1 responds, “Let's try this one,” and discusses safety testing: the insufficient amount of safety testing before release was done with mRNA vaccines produced in a process that did not involve DNA. The product injected into billions of people involved DNA plasmids, with massive contamination in the shots actually delivered, including the SV40 promoter (simian virus 40). The point is that safety testing was performed on one process, but people were injected with something different that had other components not tested, which Speaker 1 calls fraudulent. Speaker 0 asks for an explanation of the SV40 issue. Speaker 1 explains production methods: techniques to generate product using a plasmid, a circular piece of DNA, allowing vats to grow the product before coating in lipid nanoparticle, with bacteria doing the work. There is a requirement to purify DNA and set standards for residual DNA contamination. In this case, not only was quality control poor, but there was a much more painstaking way to produce the same product that did not involve DNA plasmids at all. As a result, vials given to Kevin McKernan, containing material actually injected into people, showed DNA contamination across the board. Speaker 1 states that leftover DNA includes the SV40 promoter, a genetic trigger from simian virus 40, which is carcinogenic. This promoter is left over in vials from shots actually injected into people, implying that the claims about the potential for mRNA shots to integrate into the genome were incorrect. Speaker 1 asserts that there is DNA in the vials, not just some old DNA, and that it includes the SV40 promoter, a genetic engineering tool with carcinogenic potential. Therefore, Speaker 1 concludes, this seems to be clear fraud: you can’t inject a different product into the public on the basis of safety testing conducted with a product produced by a different process.

Speaker 0 states his position on vaccines has changed because he learned how they are produced. He had assumed they were produced reasonably, but discovered safety work had not been done. He says that in a book he completed in 2019, he listed vaccination as one of medicine's three great achievements, along with surgery and antibiotics. He now believes the mechanisms used by vaccine manufacturers and the methods used to obscure safety signals invalidate the products. Discovering that vaccines use a trick to hyper-activate the immune system to work, he questioned its safety and its connection to allergies. Speaker 0 says injecting aluminum to hyper-activate the immune system should come with instructions about what to avoid eating or seasons to avoid the shot, to minimize the likelihood of triggering the immune system to react to something that is not a pathogen. Speaker 1 summarizes this by saying the vaccine opens up the body so that anything present at the time can trigger an immune response.

Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

The speaker is questioned about their work with vaccines and the use of fetuses. They confirm being an author of an article that involved a study at the Wistar Institute using 76 fetuses. The fetuses were 3 months or older and were normally developed. Various organs were harvested from the fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. When asked about the total number of fetuses they have worked with, the speaker cannot provide an exact number but mentions working with quite a few. They are aware of objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but state that individuals who need vaccines should receive them regardless of this issue. The speaker also expresses disagreement with religious beliefs that oppose vaccination.

The speaker asserts that the vaccines given this morning in hospitals across America to newborns and others contain a long list of ingredients, including gelatin from boiled pig skin, chicken embryo protein, blood from the hearts of cow fetuses, human fetus DNA, oil extracted from shark liver, proteins from worm ovaries, monkey kidney DNA fragments, and then proceeds to mention the chemical ingredients formaldehyde, polysorbate eighty, potassium chloride, phenyl, borax, aluminum salts, mercury, and Triton X-100 (which is used in spermicides). The speaker emphasizes that potassium chloride is the ingredient used as the third injection when we execute people by lethal injection, noting that it is a smaller dose for infants, and explicitly states that they are not claiming it’s the same dose. The speaker then lists: formaldehyde, polysorbate eighty, and potassium chloride among the chemicals, followed by assertions that this combination includes substances the speaker believes people would not want to inject into their children. The speaker highlights the idea that parents should not inject their babies with something they don’t understand, and asserts that millions of Americans do exactly that every time they go to CVS or Long’s Drugs. The speaker paints a scenario where a 23-year-old assistant pharmacist—described as someone who doesn’t know what he’s mixing and doesn’t know what questions he’s supposed to ask—figures it out and gives your baby an injection, and notes that people go along with it.

Speaker 1, a doctor, admits to working with 2 fetuses in their personal work related to vaccines. They confirm being an author of an article that involved 76 fetuses at the Wistar Institute. Various organs, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue, were harvested from these fetuses. The doctor cannot recall the exact number of fetuses they have worked with throughout their career but mentions studying them before using them for vaccine development. They are aware of objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, including religious concerns. The doctor stands by their statement that vaccinations are often criticized by religious zealots who believe that death and disease are part of God's will.

The speaker asserts that modern vaccines contain a wide range of ingredients sourced from animals, humans, and chemicals, and that these are used in vaccines given this morning in hospitals across America to newborns and other people. He enumerates the ingredients exactly as claimed: “The modern ingredients in your current vaccines. Oh, gelatin from boiled pig skin, just like the old one. Chicken embryo protein. Blood from the hearts of cow fetuses. Human fetus DNA. Oil extracted from shark liver. Proteins from worm ovaries, you don't want to leave that out, monkey kidney DNA fragments.” He adds a set of chemical ingredients: “That stuff I just read is in the vaccines that are given this morning in hospitals all over America to newborns and other people. Now, there's the chemical ingredients. Formaldehyde. Well, who doesn't already know that formaldehyde is not, hey, give me some formaldehyde. Everybody knows that's no good for you. Polysorbate eighty, which causes infertility. And this is my favorite one. Potassium chloride.” He calls potassium chloride his favorite because it “is the ingredient used as the third injection when we execute people by lethal injection. Right? Obviously a smaller dose for infants. I'm not claiming it's the same dose.” He continues listing: “Phenyl, borox, aluminum salts, mercury, Triton X-100, which is used in spermicides.” The speaker argues that injecting such substances into babies is unacceptable, posing a rhetorical question: “You really want to inject my baby with something that's used in spermicides? No parent would let a stranger walk up to their kid and inject them with something they don't understand.” He contends that millions of Americans do this “every time they go to CVS, every time they go to Long's Drugs,” because a 23-year-old assistant pharmacist “doesn't know what he's mixing, doesn't know what questions he's supposed to ask, figures it out, and gives your baby an injection.” He concludes that people go along with it. In addition to the ingredient list, the speaker connects potassium chloride to lethal injections and emphasizes the idea that a common pharmaceutical practice involves injecting substances with controversial associations, as part of a broader critique of vaccine contents and administration.

Vaccine ingredient lists are the most important lists parents have never read. Vaccines contain viruses and bacteria that must be cultured and grown. These cultures are grown in various animal cells, including monkey, dog, chicken, rabbit, and mouse cells. Many vaccines are grown with aborted fetal cells. Individuals should consider whether they support the use of aborted baby cells in vaccine manufacturing and their subsequent injection into babies, even if they support abortion in general.

The speakers discuss the presence of animal viruses in vaccines, such as SV 40 and circovirus. They also mention the use of animal-derived ingredients like cat serum, guinea pig cell cultures, cow's milk, egg protein, gelatin from pigs, and human albumin. The use of human cell lines, specifically MRC 5 and WI 38, in vaccine production is also mentioned. The discussion touches on the fragmentation of human DNA in vaccines and the safety studies conducted. The speakers mention a study involving the harvesting of tissues from 76 aborted fetuses for vaccine development. The objection to using aborted fetal tissue in vaccines is brought up, with one speaker expressing support for vaccination regardless of religious objections. The conversation ends with a discussion on the speaker's personal vaccination history.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the hepatitis B vaccine agenda and controversy around its use for newborns. Speaker 1 describes an upcoming September meeting where hepatitis B vaccine is on the agenda, predicting an effort to change the birth dose so that children wouldn’t receive it at birth. They say that if a mother has good prenatal care and known hepatitis B status, that may not matter, but if a mother does not attend prenatal care, the child would have only one opportunity to receive the vaccine. Speaker 0 reacts strongly, arguing that the person promoting the vaccine is inappropriately chosen to advocate for it. They state that the vaccine “was made for people who partake in promiscuous sex with multiple partners or share heroin needles,” and disclaim any direct accusation about the person’s needle-sharing, while asserting that this individual fits a certain group. They question why this person should mandate a hepatitis B vaccine for their child, insisting that in the United States people should be allowed to live freely, but not have the government or advocates push a vaccine tied to a particular lifestyle onto a newborn. Speaker 0 contends that the day-one vaccination would not provide long-lasting protection, especially if the person’s argument is framed as addressing a disease tied to sexual activity. They point out that the majority of pregnant individuals in America are not hepatitis B positive (citing a statistic they recall), and ask why their child should receive an injection for a sexually transmitted infection on day one of life. Speaker 0 challenges religious leaders who support the vaccination program, asking what they would say to families who do not plan for their child to engage in the behaviors associated with hepatitis B transmission. They question the alignment with religious beliefs, asking believers of various faiths whether they intend for their child to share heroin needles. They suggest a paradox in relating the injection to the condition of being created in the image and likeness of God, and conclude with a provocative remark about losing sight of religious or moral principles. Throughout, the speakers frame the hepatitis B vaccination strategy as an ideological fight over who should decide what is injected into newborns, juxtaposing public health goals with concerns about personal freedom, lifestyle, and religious beliefs.

Various organs and tissues were harvested from fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. The speaker acknowledges objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but cites a document from the Catholic Church stating that individuals should still receive vaccines regardless. When asked about valid religious objections to vaccines, the speaker denies their existence and expresses disdain for religious beliefs, claiming that vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots. The speaker confirms being an atheist and acknowledges that some religious beliefs are inherently unprovable.

The speaker claims that the MMR vaccine contains millions of pieces from cultured cell lines derived from aborted fetuses. They allege the rubella virus is grown on these cell lines. The speaker references a study involving over 70 healthy fetuses aborted specifically for research. According to the speaker, these fetuses were dissected into small pieces, and attempts were made to culture viruses on them to determine the optimal body part for virus growth. The speaker states that some of these abortions occurred past the first trimester.

The speaker discusses the presence of animal viruses in vaccines, such as SV40 and circovirus, as well as ingredients like calf serum, guinea pig cell cultures, and human albumin. They mention the use of human diploid cells in vaccines and the fragmentation of human DNA for safety reasons. The speaker also addresses objections to vaccines containing aborted fetal tissue, stating their support for vaccination despite religious objections. They express atheistic beliefs and criticize religious opposition to vaccination. The speaker recalls receiving the diphtheria vaccine in childhood.

Speaker 1 says they believed more people were becoming aware that vaccines cause autism and sudden infant death syndrome in certain cases, that many vaccines are never proven safe or effective, and that approvals occur under “fraudulent conditions,” citing laws and authorizations such as the PREP Act and emergency use authorization for COVID vaccines. They argue the vaccine industry is “a complete and total fraud” and ask whether that realization is happening in local government or schools. Speaker 0 replies that in states including Connecticut, New York, California, Illinois, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, the situation still resembles 2019 because it is framed as a political issue. They claim left-leaning officials will “do anything” to thwart what they call an agenda, despite what they describe as “solid, peer-reviewed scientific data,” “mountains of evidence,” and congressional and Senate hearings. They reference testimony by Aaron Siri, Robert F. Kennedy as HHS, Robert Malone, and others, and say Senator Ron Johnson held hearings. Speaker 0 asserts that when they tried to testify, their testimony was muted and cut off during a public health committee process. Speaker 0 says officials on those committees continue to claim there is no evidence vaccines cause autism, that vaccines are safe and effective, and that vaccines are the best way to protect public health and achieve herd immunity. They also mention that these officials still wear masks in legislative chambers. Speaker 1 responds that the persistence of such positions raises the question of how society can function with “ignorant, illiterate people” in charge of legislative processes. Speaker 0 says they no longer live in Connecticut and presents two options: voting them out is not expected because of a supermajority and because, in their view, many voters are affected by election fraud, not alive, not legal citizens, or are “blinded followers.” They state the conflict is framed as “my team, us versus them.” They say they do not think the situation can be won politically in Connecticut, so options are moving or fighting back in courts. Speaker 0 says they moved but still wants to fight in court for states including California, Connecticut, and New York, citing friends and family who cannot leave due to circumstances such as custody arrangements and the risk of being charged with kidnapping. They state they continue lawsuits for those who cannot relocate.

Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

The speakers discuss the use of aborted fetuses in medical research. Speaker 1 confirms that various organs, including the lung, skin, kidney, spleen, and heart, were included in a study. Speaker 0 questions the number of fetuses Speaker 1 has worked with throughout their career, to which Speaker 1 admits not remembering the exact number but acknowledges studying quite a few before using them for vaccine production. When asked about the number of studies involving fetuses, Speaker 1 cannot recall. Speaker 0 then mentions that one objection to vaccination is the use of aborted fetuses.

Speaker 1 expresses concern about the presence of SV40 sequences in vaccines, suggesting it is not accidental and could lead to cancer due to insertional mutagenesis. They argue that gene therapies were delayed due to the risk of cancer from insertional mutagenesis. The speaker believes that alternative treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are safe and questions why the FDA redacted data on endotoxin levels for 75 years. They emphasize the unusual nature of the current situation and urge the protection of citizens by not administering experimental products to pregnant women and babies. The speaker pleads for one state to take a stand and set an example for others. No questions are asked.