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"Why is it wrong to want to preserve our heritage, the country that our ancestors founded European?" I don't believe that our unifying principle was ever race, skin color, ethnicity. Our unifying principle was a essentially a doctrine. It was a the the doctrine of human rights. I think it's un American is what I would say. But why would it be immoral? It would really depend on what motivates that. And, and if you're saying that it's not motivated by bigotry, all I could do is trust you on that. I can't look inside your soul. I mean, it sounds like it, but, I don't know why you want me to to do that.

The speaker discusses the concept of "woke" and its connection to Marxism. They argue that "woke" is essentially Marxism with American characteristics, as it seeks to redistribute social and cultural capital in addition to economic and material capital. The speaker explains that various ideologies such as critical race theory, queer theory, and postcolonial theory are all species within the genus of Marxism, sharing the goal of seizing control of the means of cultural production. They warn that Europe is at risk of succumbing to this ideology and urges understanding and resistance against it.

Europe has been predominantly white throughout its history. Some bureaucrats have decided, against the people's will, to make us a minority in just one generation. If you speak out against this, you'll be attacked. But staying silent means letting it happen. The choice is yours, and I've made mine. Translation: Europe has been mostly white historically. Bureaucrats are making us a minority in one generation against our will. Speaking out leads to attacks, but staying silent allows it to happen. I've made my choice.

Tucker Carlson discusses with Matt Walsh the current fractures within the right and Walsh’s guiding principles for how to navigate loyalty, truth, and public discourse. Key points and exchanges - Leadership vacuum after Charlie’s death and its consequences - Walsh says Charlie’s death created a leadership vacuum in the right; the immediate post‑death unity faded as realities set in. - The attempt to turn Charlie’s killing into a catalyst for more Charlies backfired; Walsh notes that assassination “works” as a strategy, and the result is the loss of the glue that held the coalition together. - The organization Walsh admires—TPUSA—remains intact, but the leadership that bound people together is gone, leading to heightened internal friction. - Loyalty as a principle - Walsh asserts he will not denounce friends or disavow colleagues, arguing loyalty is a fundamental principle and a duty to those who have consistently backed him. - He defines loyalty as having a personal relationship with someone who has had his back and whom he would defend; betrayal, not disagreement, is what he rejects. - He uses examples (e.g., if a close family member committed a serious crime) to illustrate that loyalty does not require endorsing wrongful acts publicly, but it does require private accountability and support. - Leftism vs. conservatism; the core “enemy” - Walsh defines leftism as moral relativism (the idea of “my truth” and rejection of objective truth) and as an ideology that opposes civilization, Western identity, and foundational institutions like the family and marriage. - He argues leftism rejects the intrinsic value of human life, portraying life’s worth as contingent on circumstances (e.g., whether a mother wants a child), which he calls a fundamental leftist position. - He contends the fight on the right is against that leftism, and aligns with Walsh’s interpretation that preserving Western civilization, American identity, the sanctity of life, and the family are core conservative aims. - Israel, Gaza, and internal right disagreements - On Israel, Walsh says his stance is “I don’t care” (a position he reiterates as his personal view) and stresses that the debate should not be about Israel per se, but about whether right-wing conservatives share foundational values. - Walsh argues that some conservatives defend mass killing in Gaza, which he brands as a leftist argument, and he distinguishes it from more traditional right-wing concerns about strategy and casualties. - Walsh acknowledges there are conservatives who defend Israel’s actions but reject the premise that civilians are mass-killed intentionally; they may minimize or challenge casualty claims without endorsing mass murder. - He emphasizes the need to distinguish between true disagreements over policy and deeper disagreements about whether certain universal values (truth, life, and Western civilization) prevail. - The moral status of violence and justice - The conversation touches on the justification of violence for justice. Walsh acknowledges that violence can be a necessary tool for justice in some contexts but warns against endorsing violence indiscriminately. - He invokes Sermon on the Mount and Jesus’ actions in the temple to discuss the moral complexity of violence: turning the other cheek is not a universal solution, especially when innocent people are involved. - The exchange explores whether state authority should compel action or whether individuals should intervene when the state fails to protect the innocent, using examples like Daniel Penny’s subway incident as a test case. - The state, justice, and governance - The two guests discuss the legitimacy of the state and what happens when the state fails to enforce justice or protect the vulnerable. - Walsh argues that if the state does not act, it can lead to mass action by citizens—though he concedes this is a dangerous path that should be avoided if possible. - They reflect on how the state’s authority is God-ordained, but acknowledge moments when civil disobedience or private action might be morally justifiable if the state abdicates its duties. - Cultural realism and media dynamics - Walsh and Carlson discuss how political labels (left/right) obscure shared concerns and how many conservatives actually share core aims with others outside the traditional conservative coalition. - They critique the media and pundit ecosystem for being out of touch with everyday life, citing deteriorating quality of goods, services, and infrastructure as real-life issues that affect families directly. - They argue that many pundits live in insulated environments—whether expensive urban enclaves or rural enclaves—without appreciating the middle-class experience and the practical hardships faced by ordinary Americans. - Demographics and national identity - A recurring thread is the argument that modern politics has become entangled in demographic change and questions of national identity. - Walsh contends that Western civilization and American identity rest on belief in objective truth, the sanctity of life, and the family; failing to defend these leads to a broader cultural and civilizational crisis. - The discussion includes a provocative point about indigenous identity in America and the claim that “native Americans” are not native to the country as formed; Walsh argues for reclaiming the term “native American” to describe the founders’ European-descended population. - Economics and social policy - Walsh describes himself as libertarian on many economic questions, opposing the welfare state and taxes, while acknowledging that conservatives can disagree on policy tools if the underlying motivations remain aligned with preserving family, culture, and national identity. - He suggests that a welfare state is not incompatible with conservative aims if its purpose is to strengthen family formation and national viability, though he believes it ultimately undermines family stability. - Internal dynamics and personal impact - Walsh discusses the personal toll of being at the center of intra-party debates: frequent public attacks, misattributed motives, and the challenge of remaining loyal without becoming embittered. - He emphasizes prayer and structured routines as practical means to maintain perspective and resilience in the face of sustained public scrutiny. - Toward a path forward - Both speakers stress the importance of clarifying the conservative catechism: defining what conservatives want to conserve and aligning around a shared set of non-negotiables. - They suggest that if people share core commitments to objective truth, the family, and American identity, disagreements about methods can exist, but collaboration remains possible. - If, however, people reject those core commitments, they argue, conservatives may be on different sides of a fundamental civilizational divide. Notes on the interaction - The dialogue weaves personal anecdotes, philosophical stances, and political diagnostics, with both participants acknowledging complexity and evolution of views. - The emphasis repeatedly returns to loyalty, truth, and civilizational foundations as the ultimate frame for understanding intra-right tensions and for guiding future alignment. (Throughout, promotional segments and product endorsements were present in the original transcript but have been omitted here to preserve focus on substantive points and to align with the request to exclude promotional content.)

A Europe without nation states is not a peace project, but a social experiment conducted at the expense of human dignity. Historical examples include the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, and the Ottoman Empire. Europeans have been deceived into believing that mass migration from Islamic cultures is diversity. Europe was already diverse with different nations, languages, and customs rooted in Christianity, free speech, rule of law, and the sanctuary of the individual. Patriotic populism will not necessarily descend into right-wing identity politics or xenophobia because identity politics comes from the destruction of national identity, censorship, one-sided debates, and the demonization of responsibility, freedom, and truth. Freedom, truth, and accountability are the antidote to collectivism, propaganda, identity politics, and xenophobia.

The speaker challenges the idea of a unified white or European identity, noting that Europeans fought each other in two world wars and that there is no clear boundary of who is 'white' (examples: Italians vs Swedes; Turks in Europe). They warn that any imagined unity would create an Us-versus-them dynamic and inevitable division. They question the existence of a European identity and of whiteness itself, suggesting race is an American concept tied to post-slavery. They point out that Europeans have long histories of war and nationalist ambitions—fascist tendencies, Franco-like rule, a Catholic monarchy, and exclusion of Muslims or evangelicals. They argue those ideas were never American; Europe has been an immigrant country, but some now seek to overturn the constitution and create a fascist dictatorship with a Catholic government, which would be the most anti-American idea they've heard.

The speaker claims that no one has analyzed why Germany, despite being well-educated and having many Nobel Prize winners, turned on the Jews. The speaker asserts that the reason is because Jews in Germany displayed the same ethnocentrism, power grabbing, influence peddling, buying of politicians, and media domination that they allegedly display in the United States. The speaker predicts that the United States will experience "Weimar conditions" and solutions similar to what happened in Germany, including a future Holocaust. The speaker believes the U.S. is heading in the same direction as Germany due to historical trends. The only difference is that the U.S. has more guns, lawlessness, and a revolutionary spirit.

The speakers discuss the origins and identity of the United States. One speaker asserts the country's foundation is rooted in the "European mind" and Western European Christian descent, not any other group. Another speaker questions the concept of a "Chinese mind" and suggests the USA would be different if founded by another group. One speaker believes America's unifying principle is not race or ethnicity, but the doctrine of human rights. Another speaker believes that people inevitably bring their culture with them. They argue that the "Anglo Saxon culture" started the country and that culture and philosophy are inseparable. This speaker identifies with the Western Anglo-Saxon culture and philosophy as the defining characteristic of America, more so than its geography.

The speaker believes America's unifying principle was never race, skin color, or ethnicity, but rather a doctrine of human rights. They state that most other countries are unified by ethnicity or religion. The speaker thinks it is un-American to want to preserve European heritage, but acknowledges that the motivation behind such a desire is key. They state that if the motivation is not bigotry, they can only trust that to be the case, as they cannot look inside another person's soul.

The speaker believes America's unifying principle was never race, skin color, or ethnicity, but rather a doctrine of human rights. They state that most countries are unified by ethnicity or religion, but America was different. The speaker thinks it is un-American to want to preserve European heritage. Whether that desire is moral depends on the motivation behind it. The speaker can only trust that it is not motivated by bigotry, as they cannot look inside another person's soul.

The speaker addresses distortions in the press, specifically claims that their book is a white supremacist text. They state they don't believe in racial supremacy or any supremacist doctrine, and advocate for equal rights. The speaker believes the races are profoundly different physically, mentally, psychologically, historically, and culturally, and that these differences have a tremendous impact on society. They deny being motivated by hate, claiming instead a deep love for the traditions and values of Western Christian civilization.

Speaker 0: In time, Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we're gonna be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not gonna be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Speaker 1: Now, I think we have a moral and political and social and economic obligation to look after refugees. You can't you have three alternatives. Leave them on the beaches. Send them back to have their throats slit in Syria, or let them walk up to the Balkans into razor wire borders, or welcome them. Those are the only alternatives. Speaker 0: Jews are gonna be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive. Speaker 2: There are 65,000,000 displaced people in the world right now. Matthew, that number is larger than the population of The United Kingdom, and it's not getting any smaller. What we've seen here is that governments are absolutely feckless in attempting to broker peace agreements, be it Syria or anywhere else, which has created this. Speaker 3: Billionaire George Soros says he's investing $500,000,000 to start ups founded by refugees. Soros is responding to president Barack Obama's call to action initiative. That's a request for companies to help refugees and migrants. Speaker 4: And Norwegian society has a very a very short history with ethnic minorities at a scale. So there is a job to be done. So we do have rising antisemitism, and we have rising antisignism, and we have Islamophobia, and we have racism. So we have a lot to do. So we still have have a need of NGOs like the center against racism. Speaker 5: But then he dismissed out of hand what the Prime Minister is doing in relation to migration. Now, I happen to believe that people in this country don't want to pull the drawbridges up, actually. But they do want a fair system. They don't want a free fall. They don't like this sense that people can come here and take us for a ride. And the point, Evan, is this. That in other member states, they have a contributory system of social insurance. I've seen it and discussed it in different contexts. So that people are sort of working and paying their taxes and putting in before they have the right to take out. Speaker 6: The European Union was intentionally set up to give minority organizations influence on the management of Europe. Harry Truman read an article about Kalergi in 1945. He was so impressed that he adopted the Kalergi plan as US official policy as well. After 1965, the real demographic changes of European countries would be seen. Brock Schisholm, former director of the World Health Organization said, what people in all places have to do is to limit a birth rate and promote mixed marriages between different races. This aims to create a single race in the world which will be directed by a central authority. Speaker 7: Very clear that the Jews want to exterminate the European race and that the means to weakening the European race would be to dissolve all the European nations, destroy all their cultural heritage and their national traditions and replace that with the European Union and then to invite in Africans, Middle Easterners and Asians to dilute the blood of Europeans through miscegenation to the point where they became a degenerate mixed race.

The speaker believes America's unifying principle was never race, skin color, or ethnicity, but rather a doctrine of human rights. They state that most countries are unified by ethnicity or religion, while America is different. The speaker thinks it is un-American to want to preserve European heritage, but acknowledges that the motivation behind such a desire is key. They state that if the motivation is not bigotry, they can only trust that to be the case, as they cannot look inside another person's soul.

The speaker asserts that “The Bush regime was front for the Vatican” and that “The most important enemy this country has today, people will never understand it, but the biggest enemy that this nation today has is the Vatican.” They question the origin of the nation’s founders, asking, “What do you think the founding fathers … where did they come from?” and answer, “they came from Europe.” The speaker traces history back to “twenty five hundred years Rome under the Caesars of Rome,” stating that “after the fall of the Caesars in the fourth century and with the coming of the Vatican in the fifth century,” Europe has been dominated for that same span. The claim is then made that “All of Europe has been dominated for over two thousand five hundred years by Rome and Europe has dominated the world for two thousand five hundred years.” The speaker urges listeners to “start looking at the Holy father, and you better start finding out the connection between the Vatican and the Nazi party of Adolf,” tying the Vatican to broader historical influence and power. The overarching assertion is that “The Bush regime was front for the Vatican,” and that the Vatican represents “the most important enemy this country has today.”

Richard Kudenhova Kalerghi, considered the father of the European Union and funded by Jewish bankers Rothschild and Warburg, wrote in his 1925 book that Jews are a master race. He claimed Jews can only rule the world by weakening the European race through dissolving European nations, destroying their cultures, and replacing them with the European Union. According to the speaker, Kalerghi advocated inviting Africans, Middle Easterners, and Asians to dilute European blood through miscegenation, allegedly to degenerate them into a mixed race without national identity. The speaker asserts this aligns with Nikolai's writings from 1917 and is manifesting through immigration into Europe, America, and Australia. The speaker concludes that this is a deliberate effort to genocide the white race and destroy national heritage.

Our nation does not want foreign control. France is for the French, England for the English, and America for Americans. We must prevent outsiders from seizing power and displacing us. These divisions are deliberate, pitting people against each other: black versus white, men versus women through degeneracy, Republicans versus Democrats. While we fight amongst ourselves, they manipulate us from above. Originally, the goal wasn't extermination, but expulsion. Europe will remain unsettled until the Jewish issue is resolved. Workers of all nations, recognize your true, common enemy. This isn't about right versus left, but right versus wrong.

The blood in our veins is the same blood that fought at the Alamo and Valley Forge, wrote Shakespeare and Beethoven, invented electricity, and spread Christianity. This blood laid the foundations of our country, and now that heritage is in danger. The enemies of our heritage, the masters of hate, accuse us of hate. But we endure attacks and fight against the media, government, money, and political privilege, not out of hate, but out of deep love.

The media often labels us as part of the Fed to dismiss our ideas without engaging with them. Many conservatives fear being labeled as racist, which is why they use such terms against us. I don’t believe in the term racism; it lacks a solid definition. I advocate for strong immigration restrictions that serve a nation’s interests, as citizenship is a privilege granted by a country. We view the American people as an ethnic group descended from European settlers and promote cultural vitality, especially among young men. Our efforts include community-building and activism. The American identity is rooted in Anglo-Saxon culture, with other European groups assimilating into this core identity over time.

The future of Western civilization is in the balance. In Europe, political opposition is being jailed and free speech is under assault. Republicans and conservatives believe the fundamental values and tenants of Western civilization that the country has been built on are under assault. The November election was the beginning of the pushback on that assault, but it's not over.

One speaker states that 20th-century Jewish movements aimed to lessen the power of Europeans in America because they felt that power represented a threat. They wanted the United States to become less Christian and less European. According to the speaker, Jewish activists believe that a homogeneous European society could easily evolve towards Nazis. A multicultural society prevents any single ethnic group from gaining too much power, thus preventing coalitions. Multiculturalist ideology was allegedly invented by Jewish intellectuals like Horace Kallen, who favored the idea of the United States being composed of separate ethnic groups. The speaker claims that this makes the United States safer for Jews by preventing a large, dominant white majority. When Jews arrived in the US, they viewed American culture negatively, finding it too white and reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

Speaker 0: You consider the Jewish people members of the white race? Yes. I do. Of course. Do you have any platform against them as Hitler did? Not all of them. Against those of them who are mixed up with communism or who are trying to subvert The United States for the purposes of Zionism and Israel. I I have something against them. What will be the topic of your talk tonight? Mainly the fact that the the fact that communism and race mixing are Jewish operations are suppressed in the press. You can't get that information out.

Speaker 0 asserts that Jews want to exterminate the European race. He names Richard Kudenhova Kalerghi as “the father of the European Union” and claims he was funded by Jewish bankers Rothschild and Warburg. He cites a book said to be written by Kalerghi, Prektisser I De alismus, in 1925, in which the Jews are described as a master race who can only assume world rule by weakening the European race. The means to weakening, according to the claim, would be to dissolve all European nations, destroy their cultural heritage and national traditions, and replace them with the European Union. The speaker alleges that Jews would invite Africans, Middle Easterners, and Asians to dilute the blood of Europeans through miscegenation to the point where they become a degenerate mixed race. He states that at that point these people would no longer have any sense of nationhood, and that the ancient Jewish messianic prophecies of world rule from Jerusalem would be fulfilled with Jews maintaining their nationhood and national status. He connects this to Nikolai’s writings from 1917 and claims it has manifested recently with the invasion of immigrants from Africa, the Middle East, and Asia into Europe, America, and Australia. The speaker concludes that they are deliberately setting about to genocide the white race and destroy all sense of nationhood, national heritage, and national culture in each of our nations.

Europe is the cradle of Western civilization, and the cultural and religious bonds between it and the U.S. will last beyond political disagreements. However, Europe is at risk of civilizational suicide. Many European countries are unable or unwilling to control their borders, but they are starting to push back, which is good. They are also starting to limit the free speech of their own citizens, even as those citizens protest against border issues. Europe needs to respect its own people and sovereignty, something America can't do for them. If a country like Germany takes in millions of immigrants who are culturally incompatible, Germany will have killed itself. The speaker loves Germany and wants it to thrive.

Speaker 0: Argues Europe has not yet learned to be multicultural and will undergo a transformation; Europe will no longer be monolithic, and Jews will be at the center of this transformation. They claim Jews will be resented for their leading role, but without that leading role and transformation Europe will not survive. Speaker 1: States a moral, political, social, and economic obligation to look after refugees, presenting three alternatives: leave refugees on beaches, send them back to be killed in Syria, or let them walk into razor-wire borders, or welcome them. Speaker 0: Reiterates that Jews will be at the center of Europe’s transformation and that Jews will be resented for their leading role; without this leading role and transformation, Europe will not survive. Speaker 2: Cites 65,000,000 displaced people worldwide, a number larger than the UK’s population, noting that governments are feckless in broker peace agreements (e.g., Syria), which has created this situation. Speaker 3: Reports that billionaire George Soros says he is investing $500,000,000 to start-ups founded by refugees, in response to Barack Obama’s call to action initiative asking companies to help refugees and migrants. Speaker 4: Notes that Norwegian society has a short history with ethnic minorities at scale and asserts there is work to do; mentions rising antisemitism, Islamophobia, and racism, and the ongoing need for NGOs like the Center Against Racism. Speaker 5: Responds to criticism of the Prime Minister’s migration policy, suggesting that people in the country do not want to close themselves off but do want a fair system; describes a contributory social insurance system in other member states where people pay taxes before they can draw benefits, implying a preference for a sustainable, earned access to benefits. Speaker 6: States that the European Union was designed to give minority organizations influence in Europe’s management; references Kalergi and a 1945 article read by Harry Truman, claiming Truman adopted Kalergi’s plan as U.S. policy; asserts that after 1965 real demographic changes would be seen; cites Brock Chisholm, former WHO director, claiming the goal is to limit birth rates and promote mixed marriages to create a single world race under a central authority. Speaker 7: Concludes with the claim that Jews want to exterminate the European race and that the strategy to weaken Europe involves dissolving European nations, destroying cultural heritage and national traditions, replacing them with the European Union, and inviting Africans, Middle Easterners, and Asians to dilute the blood of Europeans through miscegenation to produce a degenerate mixed race.