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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

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If we're gonna make America healthy again, we can't allow public health to be undermined. So could you explain what steps you're gonna be taking to ensure vaccine guidance is clear, evidence based, and trustworthy? We're going to make it clear evidence based and trustworthy for the first time in history. Only one of those 19 vaccines, 92 doses, only one of those vaccines has ever been tested against an inert placebo. And what we're doing now is any new vaccine that before it's approved and licensed will have to show demonstrate safety against inert placebo. And we're going to go back and do observational studies on the existing vaccines to see if they're linked to any of these chronic disease epidemics so that people can understand the risk profile of those products and make good assessments for their own health.

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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

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The discussion centers on the credibility of vaccine safety claims made by various health organizations and the FDA. One speaker argues that vaccines undergo rigorous testing, while the other contends that no vaccine has ever completed a long-term placebo-controlled trial before being licensed. They express distrust in the FDA, citing past issues with drugs like Vioxx and opioids, suggesting that the FDA misled doctors and the public about their safety. The speaker believes that pharmaceutical companies influence these agencies, leading to misinformation about vaccine safety. The goal is to address and rectify this perceived corruption.

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Paul Offit said that I'm going to do everything I can to make vaccines less available and affordable, which will hurt the vaccine infrastructure in this country. I'm supposedly joining hands with Donald Trump to march into measles land. But I'm not going to take away anyone's vaccines. People should be able to get them if they want. I want to give people good science. We don't have good safety studies on almost any of the 72 vaccines mandated for children. HHS admitted there are no pre-licensing safety studies for any of them, except the COVID vaccine. We need to know the risk profiles of these products. We also don't have good data on adverse effects from the COVID vaccine, which is a crime. The CDC's surveillance system captures less than one percent of vaccine injuries. Congress and the National Academy of Sciences have repeatedly ordered the CDC to put together a better vaccine. We will do that right away.

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All of this cannot be true. Are you lying to Congress about being pro-vaccine, or did you lie on those podcasts? We have it all on tape. Senator, that statement from the Lex Fridman podcast has been debunked. I was asked if there are safe and effective vaccines, and I said some live virus vaccines are. I also stated that no vaccine is universally safe and effective, as every medicine has individuals who may react negatively, including vaccines. I was interrupted before I could elaborate. I've clarified this multiple times, including on national TV, so bringing it up now is misleading.

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Vaccine recommendations typically come from the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (an outside consulting committee at CDC) and VRBPAC (within FDA), which recommends vaccine licensure. These committees only adopted evidence-based medicine about twelve years ago. The speaker states that during their administration, they want safety studies prior to vaccine licensure and recommendation. They claim vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing, and the COVID vaccine was the only one tested in a full placebo trial. They assert that the other 76 shots children receive between birth and 18 have not been safety tested against a placebo, meaning the risk profile is not understood. The speaker intends to remedy this.

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The speaker expresses concerns about vaccine safety and refers to a letter signed by 350 organizations supporting vaccine safety. Another speaker questions the credibility of these claims, citing the $3.3 billion paid out by the HHS to Americans injured by vaccines. They argue against the idea of sacrificing some children's health to save others and mention that more children have died from the measles vaccine than from measles itself. The first speaker acknowledges that there can be side effects but suggests striving for even safer vaccines and proposes the idea of a Vaccine Safety Commission. They question who would oppose safer vaccines and the need for additional oversight.

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You need to know the risk profile for products like the COVID vaccine. Many discuss adverse effects, but we lack sufficient data, which is unacceptable. Our surveillance system doesn't work. In 2010, the CDC had the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, meant to detect injuries. However, a CDC study revealed it captures less than 1% of vaccine injuries. This is inexcusable. Congress, the Institute of Medicine, and the National Academy of Sciences have repeatedly directed the CDC to develop a better vaccine surveillance system. We will require it and address it immediately.

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Science Magazine recently published articles about long-term effects of COVID-19 vaccines, referred to as "long vaxx." The speaker acknowledges the importance of these stories and highlights the robust post-licensure monitoring systems in place, such as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Safety Datalink. However, the speaker emphasizes that VAERS is a preliminary system and does not establish cause and effect. They mention that there are other parallel systems, including those operated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which thoroughly investigate such concerns. The speaker clarifies that they have never dismissed people's concerns and encourages listening to them, but also emphasizes the existing mechanisms for investigation.

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The speaker criticizes Mr. Kennedy for spreading disinformation about COVID vaccines. They mention an incident where Kennedy used unvetted data from VARs to claim that vaccines were killing people, leading to vaccine hesitancy and unnecessary deaths. The speaker calls this science denial and questions Kennedy's credibility. In response, Kennedy argues that VARs is an unreliable system for reporting vaccine adverse events due to voluntary reporting. He claims that CDC's own studies show that VARs undercounts vaccine injuries by a hundredfold. Kennedy also mentions a Harvard study that developed a more accurate system, but CDC allegedly shut it down and refused to address the issue. Kennedy questions why CDC doesn't have a better system in place.

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The speaker states that vaccine policy will change due to better information. They claim that none of the vaccines given in the first six months of life have been tested, except for the DTP vaccine, which a study linked to issues, but was dismissed due to problems with the CDC's surveillance system. The speaker asserts the CDC lacks a functional surveillance system to capture vaccine injuries, with their own study showing it captures less than 1% of injuries. They plan to fix this by implementing a functional surveillance system, using data management, and providing answers to the public. The speaker promises to follow the science, use gold standard science, publish all datasets, replicate studies, and publish peer reviews, which they claim the CDC has never done, to provide real answers.

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Speaker 0 argues that invoking “the science says this because CDC says it, because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it” is a “logical fallacy” and an “appeals to authority.” “You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually efforts more problems than it causes.” He says he can show many studies, “It’s in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.” “Show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.” Speaker 1 concedes the CDC isn’t perfect but notes, “There are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccine vaccines who are perfectly healthy. Perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.” “The vaccines are not all bad.” and adds, “Just because we have suspicions about some of them, and in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can and because you started this, Bobby, by saying, I am not anti vaxx.” Speaker 0 asks for “a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.” Speaker 1 says, “They say the studies show no linkage of harm.” The exchange ends: “Let's advance the discussion. Okay?”

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I spoke with a congressperson who mentioned getting Guillain Barre from a flu vaccine. When discussing vaccination, it's crucial to address concerns and focus on the benefits, data, and safety of the COVID vaccine. Listening to people's worries is essential.

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The speaker cross-examined Dr. Lourenco about the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine. They compared it to previous vaccines like pneumonia and shingles, asking if the same rigorous testing process was followed. Dr. Lourenco confirmed that animal trials and two phases of human trials were conducted for those vaccines before approval. However, she admitted that the final phase of human trials, which has been completed for all other vaccines in Canada, was not done for the COVID-19 vaccines. She tried to justify this by mentioning a new process.

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The speaker states they searched for years for a pre-licensing safety trial of the 72 vaccine doses effectively mandated for American children. They claim that every other medication requires a safety trial comparing health outcomes in a placebo group versus a vaccine group before FDA licensing. The speaker assumed this was also done for vaccines. They state they found out that vaccines were exempt from this requirement.

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Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to explain why the vaccine causes myocarditis and pericarditis. Speaker 1 mentions rare reports of myocarditis and pericarditis associated with vaccination but does not provide a clear explanation. Speaker 0 insists on understanding the mechanism and questions why the vaccine is considered safe without addressing the risks. Speaker 2 intervenes, suggesting that Speaker 1 will address the question later. Speaker 1 talks about the benefit-risk ratio and the global recommendation of health authorities. Speaker 0 reiterates the question, to which Speaker 1 agrees to provide a response later. Speaker 2 confirms this agreement.

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Vaccines have saved countless lives, but not all vaccines are safe for everyone. In the US, hundreds of children are injured by vaccines each year, leading to the government paying out $3 billion since 1986 through the vaccine injury compensation program. However, questioning this issue often results in being shut down. Let's discuss this further on Twitter.

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The speaker discusses the reliability of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which is used by the CDC to test vaccine safety. They explain that VAERS is a poor system because it relies on voluntary reporting from doctors, who often do not see the connection between a vaccine and adverse events. The speaker suggests that a machine counting system would be more effective. Despite its limitations, VAERS has reported more deaths and injuries from vaccines since 1986 than any other vaccine in history, making it the most dangerous vaccine according to CDC's measure.

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Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

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One major controversy in your candidacy is your stance on childhood vaccines, which many medical organizations deem safe and effective. An audience member highlights that vaccines have eradicated diseases like chicken pox and polio and expresses concern about your message potentially endangering public health. You clarify that you are not anti-vaccine but believe vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medications. You argue that none of the 72 mandated vaccine doses for children have been subjected to prelicensing placebo-controlled trials. You recount a meeting with Dr. Fauci, where you requested evidence of such studies, but none was provided. You assert that without these safety studies, the long-term risks of vaccines remain unknown.

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We are vaccinating millions, and while there are reports of deaths following vaccinations, there is no evidence that the vaccine causes these deaths. Adverse reactions must be reported, but many go unreported, potentially skewing data. For instance, only 5% of adverse reactions may reach the monitoring database. There have been serious cases, including hospitalizations, that are not being documented properly. Despite the numbers, experts assert that the vaccine is safe and effective. It's crucial for the public to understand that while adverse events will occur, they are often coincidental. The vaccine remains vital for public health, and getting vaccinated is strongly encouraged.

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Speaker 0 states that the committee now has over 8,000,000 pages of information. In the first tranche, they discovered that someone in the federal health agencies, through interagency communication, hid the signal and admitted there was a signal on myocarditis, but they hid it and didn’t warn the public or doctors. This is described as one instance of corruption and lies told by the CDC, with many more to be rolled out. He notes that they held their first hearing in permanent subcommittee investigation on that hiding of the signal myocarditis and that they have heard a lot of studies. He mentions that, as he has looked into science, it has been thoroughly corrupted, and he requests to enter a data sheet into the record, saying he has been publishing this chart since early 2021. He references being on talk radio shows where they get deplatformed due to censorship in the Biden administration. He then presents what he calls “the facts” about the VAERS system, which was touted in October 2020 as a great safety surveillance system on COVID. A few months later, they denigrated their own system. Despite this, VAERS shows that there have been 38,742 deaths reported on VAERS worldwide associated with the COVID vaccine. He specifies that 9,252 of those deaths occurred on the day of vaccination within one or two days.

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The speaker is questioned about his stance on childhood vaccines, with many scientific and medical organizations disagreeing with him. The audience asks how they can help him align with science. The speaker clarifies that he is not anti-vaccine, but believes vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medicines. He criticizes the lack of prelicensing placebo-controlled trials for vaccines and cites examples of potential risks and lack of long-term studies. The other speaker argues that there is evidence of vaccines preventing diseases and highlights the importance of distinguishing between association and causation. The speaker emphasizes the need for good science and questions the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies. The conversation ends with a discussion about the speaker's family not supporting his views on vaccines.

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VACCINES: HONEST ANSWERS with Dr. Joel Warsh

Guests: Dr. Joel Gator Warsh

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The episode presents a wide‑ranging, data‑driven discussion about vaccines with Dr. Joel Warsh, a pediatrician and epidemiology trained clinician who authored a book aimed at balancing vaccine questions with evidence. The conversation centers on how vaccine safety is communicated, the medical community’s approach to risk, and why concerns persist among parents who notice rising autoimmune and allergic conditions, chronic illnesses, and debates over autism. Warsh stresses that vaccines are not anti‑vaccine; rather, the aim is open dialogue, rigorous safety review, and better public understanding of benefits versus harms. He notes that many questions get short shrift in public discourse, and he advocates transparency, nuance, and ongoing research rather than absolutist declarations about safety being “debunked.” The dialogue dives into core concepts of safety testing and trial design, explaining the difference between inert placebo controls and comparisons against other vaccines or existing vaccines. The guests discuss how safety signals are collected, the role of VAERS, and whether long‑term, large‑scale data can convincingly rule out rare adverse events. They debate the interpretation of data around autism, noting the scarcity of comprehensive, prospective studies across all vaccines beyond MMR and thimerosal and arguing that unanswered questions should prompt more research rather than definitive dismissals. A substantial portion is devoted to the ethical and societal questions of mandates, coercion, and herd immunity. The hosts explore how individual risk assessments intersect with the social contract to protect vulnerable populations, acknowledging that definitions of “safe” and “enough” vary widely. They discuss vaccine technologies—old versus new—and adjuvants, including aluminum and trace metals, as well as the development of mRNA vaccines, their testing history, and what “emergency use” really means. Throughout, the conversation emphasizes the importance of listening to skeptical voices, testing assumptions, and pursuing healthier, safer vaccines while avoiding vilification of dissenting views. The episode concludes with calls for more balanced media coverage and collaborative dialogue among scientists, clinicians, policymakers, and parents to restore trust and improve vaccine safety in practice.