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Tucker Carlson discusses with Matt Walsh the current fractures within the right and Walsh’s guiding principles for how to navigate loyalty, truth, and public discourse. Key points and exchanges - Leadership vacuum after Charlie’s death and its consequences - Walsh says Charlie’s death created a leadership vacuum in the right; the immediate post‑death unity faded as realities set in. - The attempt to turn Charlie’s killing into a catalyst for more Charlies backfired; Walsh notes that assassination “works” as a strategy, and the result is the loss of the glue that held the coalition together. - The organization Walsh admires—TPUSA—remains intact, but the leadership that bound people together is gone, leading to heightened internal friction. - Loyalty as a principle - Walsh asserts he will not denounce friends or disavow colleagues, arguing loyalty is a fundamental principle and a duty to those who have consistently backed him. - He defines loyalty as having a personal relationship with someone who has had his back and whom he would defend; betrayal, not disagreement, is what he rejects. - He uses examples (e.g., if a close family member committed a serious crime) to illustrate that loyalty does not require endorsing wrongful acts publicly, but it does require private accountability and support. - Leftism vs. conservatism; the core “enemy” - Walsh defines leftism as moral relativism (the idea of “my truth” and rejection of objective truth) and as an ideology that opposes civilization, Western identity, and foundational institutions like the family and marriage. - He argues leftism rejects the intrinsic value of human life, portraying life’s worth as contingent on circumstances (e.g., whether a mother wants a child), which he calls a fundamental leftist position. - He contends the fight on the right is against that leftism, and aligns with Walsh’s interpretation that preserving Western civilization, American identity, the sanctity of life, and the family are core conservative aims. - Israel, Gaza, and internal right disagreements - On Israel, Walsh says his stance is “I don’t care” (a position he reiterates as his personal view) and stresses that the debate should not be about Israel per se, but about whether right-wing conservatives share foundational values. - Walsh argues that some conservatives defend mass killing in Gaza, which he brands as a leftist argument, and he distinguishes it from more traditional right-wing concerns about strategy and casualties. - Walsh acknowledges there are conservatives who defend Israel’s actions but reject the premise that civilians are mass-killed intentionally; they may minimize or challenge casualty claims without endorsing mass murder. - He emphasizes the need to distinguish between true disagreements over policy and deeper disagreements about whether certain universal values (truth, life, and Western civilization) prevail. - The moral status of violence and justice - The conversation touches on the justification of violence for justice. Walsh acknowledges that violence can be a necessary tool for justice in some contexts but warns against endorsing violence indiscriminately. - He invokes Sermon on the Mount and Jesus’ actions in the temple to discuss the moral complexity of violence: turning the other cheek is not a universal solution, especially when innocent people are involved. - The exchange explores whether state authority should compel action or whether individuals should intervene when the state fails to protect the innocent, using examples like Daniel Penny’s subway incident as a test case. - The state, justice, and governance - The two guests discuss the legitimacy of the state and what happens when the state fails to enforce justice or protect the vulnerable. - Walsh argues that if the state does not act, it can lead to mass action by citizens—though he concedes this is a dangerous path that should be avoided if possible. - They reflect on how the state’s authority is God-ordained, but acknowledge moments when civil disobedience or private action might be morally justifiable if the state abdicates its duties. - Cultural realism and media dynamics - Walsh and Carlson discuss how political labels (left/right) obscure shared concerns and how many conservatives actually share core aims with others outside the traditional conservative coalition. - They critique the media and pundit ecosystem for being out of touch with everyday life, citing deteriorating quality of goods, services, and infrastructure as real-life issues that affect families directly. - They argue that many pundits live in insulated environments—whether expensive urban enclaves or rural enclaves—without appreciating the middle-class experience and the practical hardships faced by ordinary Americans. - Demographics and national identity - A recurring thread is the argument that modern politics has become entangled in demographic change and questions of national identity. - Walsh contends that Western civilization and American identity rest on belief in objective truth, the sanctity of life, and the family; failing to defend these leads to a broader cultural and civilizational crisis. - The discussion includes a provocative point about indigenous identity in America and the claim that “native Americans” are not native to the country as formed; Walsh argues for reclaiming the term “native American” to describe the founders’ European-descended population. - Economics and social policy - Walsh describes himself as libertarian on many economic questions, opposing the welfare state and taxes, while acknowledging that conservatives can disagree on policy tools if the underlying motivations remain aligned with preserving family, culture, and national identity. - He suggests that a welfare state is not incompatible with conservative aims if its purpose is to strengthen family formation and national viability, though he believes it ultimately undermines family stability. - Internal dynamics and personal impact - Walsh discusses the personal toll of being at the center of intra-party debates: frequent public attacks, misattributed motives, and the challenge of remaining loyal without becoming embittered. - He emphasizes prayer and structured routines as practical means to maintain perspective and resilience in the face of sustained public scrutiny. - Toward a path forward - Both speakers stress the importance of clarifying the conservative catechism: defining what conservatives want to conserve and aligning around a shared set of non-negotiables. - They suggest that if people share core commitments to objective truth, the family, and American identity, disagreements about methods can exist, but collaboration remains possible. - If, however, people reject those core commitments, they argue, conservatives may be on different sides of a fundamental civilizational divide. Notes on the interaction - The dialogue weaves personal anecdotes, philosophical stances, and political diagnostics, with both participants acknowledging complexity and evolution of views. - The emphasis repeatedly returns to loyalty, truth, and civilizational foundations as the ultimate frame for understanding intra-right tensions and for guiding future alignment. (Throughout, promotional segments and product endorsements were present in the original transcript but have been omitted here to preserve focus on substantive points and to align with the request to exclude promotional content.)

Speaker 1's initial reaction to the October 7th Hamas attack was disbelief and prayer, anticipating a disastrous Israeli revenge. During a November 9th rally, an unaffiliated individual yelled "death to Jews." Speaker 1 confronted the person, stating they didn't represent the group and then addressed the crowd, condemning the statement as antisemitic. Speaker 1 believes antisemitism is unjust. The speaker stated that the fight for Palestinian freedom and the fight against antisemitism are interconnected, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

In recent days, many Democrats and progressives have been awakened to the issue of antisemitism on the left. It is surprising that some people are more shocked by the dehumanizing language used by world leaders to describe Hamas than by the actions carried out by Hamas itself.

The discussion centers on whether pro-Palestinian marches and symbols intimidate Jewish people. One speaker claims the marches have terrorized Jewish people and the Palestinian flag symbolizes hatred of Jews, not support for Palestinians. They assert "from the river to the sea" means the end of Israel and possibly murdering Jews. They also state that the Hamas attack on October 7th cannot be compared to anything since the Holocaust. Another speaker disagrees, stating many Jewish people support the Palestinian flag, which represents a country, not terrorism. They argue focusing on the flag distracts from atrocities committed against Palestinians for decades. They also point out that Israeli figures use the phrase "from the river to the sea." They condemn the rhetoric as dangerous propaganda that puts lives at risk. They deny condoning the October 7th attack, but insist it did not start there.

Speaker 0: In February and March 2026, I'll be back on the road in Hull, Gateshead, Derby, and Colchester. 2026 is when they want to cross the line as fast as they can into an AI controlled humanity. We stand up now or we regret it forever. That's four dates. Speaker 0: I recorded an edition of a show for iconic.com called Legacy, relating the content of my books to today. A central concept is what I labeled in the 1990s as problem reaction solution, also known as a false flag. The idea is to create a situation—war, terrorist attack, banking collapse, or something similar—then present the version of the problem you want the public to believe to provoke outrage and urgency. Then you covertly create the problem, evoke a public reaction, and openly offer the solutions you’ve already prepared. Speaker 0: Nine-Eleven is given as a classic example: attack on New York and Washington, blame Arab terrorists, claim Osama bin Laden and the Taliban orchestrated it. The reaction is “do something,” followed by the invasions of Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern countries. In response to Bondi Beach, the point is made that representatives may not truly represent the people, and a global network I call the global cult drives dystopia through digital AI means, operating through governments, intelligence agencies, and militaries worldwide. Even leaders such as presidents or prime ministers may not serve their nations’ people but the global cult’s interests. Speaker 0: One center of this global cult’s operations is Israel, established in 1948 for that purpose. The claim is that leadership claiming to represent Jewish people operates for the global cult rather than Jewish communities, and may even sacrifice Jewish lives to advance its aims through problem reaction solution. The Gaza crisis since October 7 is described as the world’s large-scale trauma, with statements about the Israeli government’s psychopathy and a super psychopathology characterized by a complete lack of empathy and deletion of compassion. The question is whether such leaders can truly have compassion for fellow Jews if they are driven by a broader agenda. Speaker 0: Regarding October 7, the Gaza border fence is described as the world’s most defended border, with sensors so sensitive that even a small animal would be detected. Yet Hamas breached the fence in multiple places, and there were reports of a stand-down by the Israeli defense forces, allowing the cross-border assault and hostage-taking. The outcome, it’s claimed, was used by Netanyahu to justify mass slaughter and destruction in Gaza, with talk of plans to take over land and expel Palestinians. The narrative then shifts to global perception, with some Christian Zionists wavering in support due to Gaza atrocities, and Israel allegedly funding influence campaigns to restore its global image, including money to American politicians and media interests. Speaker 0: When a new attack—Bondi Beach in Australia—occurs, Netanyahu publicly notes a Jewish man disarmed one of the attackers (though a Muslim did so), before retracting. This is presented as part of a pattern: calls to crack down on anti-Semitism, equating anti-Semitism with criticism of Israel and Zionism. The claim is that the only beneficiary is those who use such events to justify censorship and control of information, while the victims, including Jewish people who died or were injured, gain nothing. Speaker 0: The discussion reiterates that mind-control techniques exist and could drive individuals to commit mass violence without full awareness, referencing mind-control concepts like Manchurian candidates. The speaker urges asking “who benefits?” and considering elements of problem reaction solution and false flags in analyzing events, recognizing that appearances of representation do not guarantee genuine representation. For readers interested in more, the speaker directs to their books and content.

Checklist for summary approach: - Identify and preserve the core facts, insights, and conclusions without adding new analysis. - Highlight unique or surprising elements (e.g., calls for Nuremberg II trials, journalist impact, public opinion data). - Exclude repetitions and filler; focus on the evolution of emotional and political reactions. - Translate any non-English context to English (not needed here). - Keep exact terms where possible (genocide, hostages, journalist reporting, public polls). - Aim for a concise 392–491 word summary that captures both speakers’ points and the dialogue’s tension. The transcript condensed: Speaker 0 describes a mixed emotional reaction to recent developments: Israelis held in Gaza for two years reuniting with families, and Palestinians held in Israeli dungeons—about 2,000 people—many for years or months without charges, whom he also calls hostages lacking due process. He is moved by these reunions and by the momentary halt of what he calls a genocide, preventing bombing and possible incineration of Gazans. Yet he recalls two years of genocidal violence as unspeakable and notes the lack of accountability for Western leaders who participated, observing Western leaders visiting Egypt to commemorate an end to the violence. He questions how to emotionally and intellectually react to this “mixed bag of incentives.” Speaker 1 counters by branding President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu as “two war criminals” responsible for genocide since December 2023 in Gaza, arguing they would be found guilty at Nuremberg II trials and would be hung. He asserts Trump has aided the genocide during nearly nine months in office, and that Netanyahu is guilty as well, yet both are treated as conquering heroes—eliciting his sense of sickness and frustration at the absence of accountability. He suggests that once journalists enter Gaza and report the full story, including on platforms like TikTok, global dismay could hinder Israel from restarting the genocide. He clarifies he isn’t asserting likelihood, but hopes increasing documentation and voices will pressure Israel, the United States, and Europe to shut down the genocide permanently, though he concedes uncertainty. Speaker 0 then notes global public opinion appears to be turning against Israel, particularly in Western states reliant on it, and cites military pause as a tactic to relieve pressure and allow Israel’s military to rebuild. He suggests that Western elites are incentivized to resume pro-Israel positions, aided by domestic lobbying, and questions whether the pause will relieve pressure or enable normalization. Speaker 1 responds that elites are morally bankrupt, including the Biden administration’s deep involvement in the genocide, but acknowledges pressure from below—such as shifts in the Republican Party and Democratic Party, and European actions like Italy’s general strikes and a German poll showing 62% of Germans believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. He believes the rising information will help people “wrap our heads around it” and possible pressure to act, though outcomes remain uncertain.

The speaker states their love for Jews and Israel has nothing to do with the question of whether people are killing or murdering a hundred children a day. Another person calls the speaker a terrorist.

Speaker 0 asserts that Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gavir are “literally talking about exterminating the entire population of Gaza.” Speaker 1 counters that they are not talking about extermination. Speaker 0 insists the statements are brazen, up front, and what they actually want to do. Speaker 0 adds that Hamas is involved in a separate context. Speaker 0 says, “The West Bank had nothing to do with what happened on October 7, but they're annexing that land anyway. They're raining terror on innocent people, innocent Palestinians.” Speaker 0 concedes, “I am willing to admit, because it's the truth, that what Hamas did on October 7 was a fucking atrocity,” specifically mentioning killing innocent people. Speaker 1 challenges acknowledgement of atrocities against civilians in Gaza. Speaker 0 asks about a hospital being tapped; Speaker 1 responds that it’s an old terrorist trick and they do it “all the time.” Speaker 0 asks whether the IDF's action was wrong. Speaker 1 concedes, “I'm sure they have committed what we would call war crimes, as every army does in every war.” Speaker 0 notes, “Including our own.” Speaker 1 agrees, giving the Civil War example: Sherman burned Atlanta and Vad, arguing that despite brutality, the North were the good guys fighting slavery, and also noting Israel is fighting to survive and is the front line in the Western world. Speaker 0 disputes this, saying much of the problems in the Middle East come from an expansionist policy and that if Israel wasn’t trying to continue expanding, they would not be dealing with the enemies they’re dealing with. Speaker 1 disagrees that they ever were expanding, arguing they “were attacked” and that they “never been trying to expand.” Speaker 0 claims Israel is trying to annex the West Bank, southern Lebanon, and Syria, and argues they have succeeded in doing so. Speaker 1 says these are lands where they were attacked from when Israel became a country in 1947; he claims Israel said, “we will accept half a loaf,” and asserts they had as much right to that land as anybody, with a historical presence since a thousand BC when King David had a lineage. Speaker 0 dismisses this lineage-based argument as irrelevant to the present. Speaker 1 counters that it’s relevant, and asserts that the notion of wiping out innocent people merely because one’s ancestors lived there centuries ago is not acceptable. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 calling Palestinians colonizers, and Speaker 1 arguing they are not colonizers; they assert that Israel is annexing land, which, in their view, is described as colonization.

- Speaker 0, John, announces: “A Muslim shooter out of Bondi Beach is apprehended by another Muslim. Could it be a false flag? Of course not. That would be crazy.” He hands off to Jessica. - Jessica reports: “The shooting took place at a Hanukkah celebration on Sunday, leaving 15 people dead. However, there was one lucky chosen person who survived not only October 7, but also a bullet grazing his head.” - Speaker 2 (unnamed in this excerpt) says: “I survived October 7. I lived in Israel the last thirteen years. We came here only two weeks ago to work with a Jewish community to fight anti Semitism, to fight this bloodthirsty, ravaging hatred. That’s why you’re here. That’s why I’m here.” - Speaker 3 quips: “Wow, who bandages a wound without cleaning it?” Speaker 4 replies: “Nobody, but it’s better theatrics that way after all. He is the chosen victim.” - Inside the hospital, Speaker 3 describes the chosen victim being treated for a bullet to the head, “turns out it’s just stage blood, corn syrup. You guys actually fell for that? Ridiculous. Oy, Ve, please don’t air this.” - Speaker 3 then identifies the “chosen victim” as “the president of the Australian Jewish Council and moved there two weeks ago.” Another speaker, Speaker 4, retorts: “Thanks, Ching Chong. I’m pretty sure Satan told him this would happen.” - The discussion continues with insinuations: “Right. Perfect way to take their guns too.” “I’m like 90% sure he was in the IDF.” “Every single time.” - Speaker 5 argues: “Your call for a Palestinian state pures full fuel on the antisemitic fire. It rewards Hamas terrorism. It emboldens those who menace Australian Jews and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. Antisemitism is a cancer.” - Speaker 3 responds: “Thanks, Satan. Blame the sand people. Am I right? Exactly. Let's all just forget about the fake weapons of mass destruction and genocide you committed.” - Speaker 5 adds: “This is the punishment that God gave us. We killed the Jews. We got instead of the Jews that were very good for us, we got these Muslim refugees from all over the world who destroying us, and the Christians cannot even celebrate Christmas now.” - Speaker 4 comments: “Holy victim. I don’t really trust people who only talk about what happened to them.” Speaker 3 counters: “But never what they did to anyone else. Right? That’s called accountability.” - Speaker 0 interjects: “Seriously, let's start with the 60,000,000 Christians in Russia they slaughtered.” Speaker 3: “Don’t get me started about the Rothschilds and nine eleven.” Speaker 4 supplies: “Let’s see what our investigation team thinks.” - Speaker 4 notes: “So official story says investigators found an ISIS flag in his car, which makes you think, why do they never attack Israel? Eric Warsaw, break it down for us. Israel actually admitted to funding and giving small arms to ISIS affiliated groups, and people still refused to see his controlled opposition.” - Speaker 3 asks: “What do you think of what happened today?” Speaker 4 responds: “Absolute tragedy, but I saw that Navid Akram was trending in Israel just days before.” - Speaker 2 signs off with thanks, and Speaker 3 introduces: “And this is the hero who risked everything, but the media refuses to talk about it. His name is Ahmed El Ahmed, which is obviously very sandy, so let's go ahead and change subjects.”

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a sequence of war-related scenarios, making provocative comparisons and extreme claims about Israel, Hamas, and broader conflicts. Speaker 0 asserts that if Mexico occupied their land and then decided to cut off electricity and control inputs, it would be akin to Israel’s actions against Palestinians; he imagines a scenario where an occupying force could slaughter people for allegedly throwing rocks. Speaker 1 counters by noting Israel has nuclear weapons and that the world’s military power backs Israel. Speaker 0 asserts that Israel has nuclear weapons and that they do not use them, while Speaker 1 suggests Hamas would use a nuclear weapon in seconds if they had one, stating three seconds as the answer because it’s in Hamas’s charter. Speaker 0 asks how anyone could know that, and Speaker 1 cites the charter as justification. Speaker 0 argues that Hamas would be martyrs if they used a nuclear weapon against Israel, describing Hamas as having a death-cult view and noting that they strap suicide vests sometimes on children. He says people cannot see the moral difference between Hamas and Israel. Speaker 1 pushes back, saying they are not talking about extermination and notes that Basilel Smotrich and Ben Gavir have talked about exterminating the entire population of Gaza, while Speaker 0 claims the West Bank is another example and states that despite the West Bank having nothing to do with October 7, it is being annexed and that terror is being rained on innocent Palestinians, driving them from their homes. Speaker 0 acknowledges that what Hamas did on October 7 was a “fucking atrocity,” killing innocent people. He says he is willing to admit that atrocity, but he emphasizes his belief that the atrocities against civilians in Gaza are also significant. Speaker 1 concedes that the IDF and all armies commit war crimes in war and that “all wars are going to have atrocity.” Speaker 0 asks for acknowledgment of a double tap on a hospital; Speaker 1 describes the hospital incident as an old terrorist trick and confirms that such acts occur in war, but he emphasizes that all wars involve atrocities. The exchange references first responders and a vague memory of the event, with Speaker 0 asserting that first responders’ deaths and hospital strikes are part of the ongoing discussion, while Speaker 1 frames them within the broader context of war crimes by all sides. Overall, the dialogue juxtaposes occupation, nuclear deterrence, and moral atrocity claims on both sides, with explicit references to statements by Israeli political figures, Hamas, and the general conduct of war by all parties.

The discussion centers on the fragile peace deal and the ongoing conflict with Hamas, with emphasis on Hamas’ true nature, disarmament, hostage issues, humanitarian aid, and regional dynamics including Lebanon and Iran. - Hamas remains a terrorist organization. The interlocutor states that Hamas has not changed its stripe and is using the ceasefire to reassert control in Gaza through mass executions of those opposed or suspected of working with Israel, while attempting to rebuild its strength. The plan, in partnership with Netanyahu, is to disarm Hamas, dismantle its terror infrastructure, and build Gaza into something different, a top priority under the Trump plan. - The peace deal is a work in progress. Neither Israel, the United States, nor other actors expect Hamas to act in good faith. The discussion emphasizes that if Hamas does not disarm, it will be eradicated, a statement framed as a serious US commitment reflecting the nature of the war and regional determination to end Hamas as a threat. - The 20-stage plan and pathway forward. The plan provides a pathway to end Hamas as a regime and terror army in Gaza and to prevent Gaza from threatening Israel going forward. The goal is to disarm Hamas, dismantle its infrastructure, and transform Gaza into a stable, peaceful entity, though it remains a “work in progress.” - Hostages and displaced persons. A central issue is the status of hostages: Hamas holds 13 of the 28 people Hamas allegedly murdered and held, with 18 returned so far, and 25 originally cited in discussions (the transcript mentions 28 total murdered and 18 returned, with 13 still in Hamas control). The speaker argues that Hamas knows the whereabouts of several more hostages and should deliver them; the claim is that some hostages who were said to be unlocated could be found even if debris removal is slow. The Red Cross and humanitarian organizations say recovering bodies will be a massive, decades-long challenge, but the speakers argue that locating hostages does not require full debris removal. Aid and humanitarian access are discussed, including a suspension of aid after the killing of Israeli soldiers that was brief and then reinstated; aid trucks are allowed through to humanitarian zones controlled by Israel in Gaza, with concerns about Hamas siphoning aid for its own purposes. - Aid leakage and Hamas control of aid. The speakers contend that Hamas stole or redirected up to 95% of aid in Gaza prior to the ceasefire, using it to fund its war against Israel. They argue that UN agencies operating in Gaza are often under Hamas influence, whether willingly or unwillingly, and thus aid distribution has been compromised when Hamas governs. - Hamas’ current behavior in Gaza and security concerns. Hamas is described as reasserting control by mass executions and intimidation; there is concern about how much control they exert over the areas they govern and the potential for continued war if they disarm remains unactioned. The discussion stresses that the longer Hamas can control areas, the more they can pursue their war. - Trump–Kushner–Witkoff diplomatic leverage. The discussion credits President Trump’s diplomacy with changing Hamas’s calculus. The Qatar strike that nearly targeted Hamas negotiators is acknowledged as a turning point; Kushner and Witkoff claimed that Hamas wanted peace when engaged directly in Egypt, and that the strike on Qatar frightened Hamas into reconsidering its position. The interlocutor suggests that palace diplomacy, allied pressure in the Arab and Islamic world, and the military pressure on Gaza City converged to push Hamas toward releasing hostages and engaging with the peace process. - Israel’s regional strategy and deterrence. The speaker emphasizes that Israel must be able to defend itself and maintain power in the region. The Abraham Accords are cited as a success, with normalization continuing because partners recognize Israel’s stability and the advantages of cooperation. The Palestinian statehood question is reframed as a broader test of Palestinian willingness to accept Israel’s existence; the speaker notes parliamentary support in Israel opposing a Palestinian state and argues that Palestinian society must change its stance toward recognizing a Jewish state. - Lebanon and Hezbollah. Optimism is tempered by caution. In Lebanon, there is some movement toward demilitarization, with the Lebanese army involved and Hezbollah’s power being re-evaluated. The speaker stresses that even if conflict ends, Israel will remain vigilant and prepared to prevent a rebuilt Hezbollah threat along the border, citing past upheavals and the need to protect border towns like Kiryat Shmona. - Iran and the wider threat. Iran’s missile program and its nuclear ambitions are described as two cancers threatening Israel: missiles capable of delivering heavy payloads and a nuclear program. The strategic aim is to prevent Iran from creating a “ring of fire” around Israel (Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, Iraq) and to prevent metastasis of Iran’s influence from spreading. - Global sentiment and demonization. The speaker acknowledges growing global antisemitism and demonization of Israel post-October 7, but argues that Israel’s demonstrated ability to defend itself strengthens its position and that support should endure as the conflict recedes from prominence. The Palestinian leadership’s stance and the broader regional dynamics remain central to whether a two-state solution can emerge, with a tempered expectation that the peace plan will proceed step by step.

Mario opened by asking Professor (Speaker 1) for his initial reaction to the horrific shooting in Australia, noting Iran’s spokesperson condemned the attack. Professor 1 said the Iranians were swift to respond and suggested the western media’s speed benefits the Israeli regime; he noted early suggestions that one of the alleged culprits has a Salafi Wahhabi background, which he tied to allies of the United States and Israel, and said the Israeli regime has historically supported ISIS and Al Qaeda. He added that the immediate accusations against Iran by Israel and some Western outlets raise questions. Mario pressed Professor 1 on his tweets, asking whether he genuinely believes Mossad could be behind the Sydney attack or if he was critiquing others’ blaming Iran. Professor 1 replied that he wouldn’t put anything beyond Mossad and the Israeli regime, citing the Hannibal directive during October 7 and noting past high-profile conspiracies and investigations where insiders seemed to know more than the public. He referenced 9/11, claiming the attackers’ backgrounds and stock market movements suggested possible foreknowledge, and argued that a regime that carries out genocide could do anything. He asserted that the obsession with blaming Iran in various cases is a frequent pattern, and that the Australian media had started implying Iran’s involvement in the Sydney attack. Michael interrupted to challenge the framing, asking Professor 1 to distinguish between critiquing Israeli actions and endorsing unfounded claims about Iran. Professor 1 argued that for nearly fifty years accusations have often targeted Iran, while Israel’s actions — including genocidal traits and hospital bombings — have not faced equivalent condemnation, though he clarified he had not claimed Israel carried out every conspiracy. He asserted that ISIS and Al Qaeda were created by Western interests and Gulf regimes, and alleged U.S. and Israeli involvement in supporting extremist groups. He claimed Western policy and Saudi/Wahhabi influence underpin these groups, and argued Israeli and Western power shapes Middle East outcomes. Michael commented that the discussion should avoid knee-jerk conspiracism and noted the pattern of blaming Israel for many attacks, while acknowledging legitimate grievances against Israel’s conduct. He cited a May Washington, DC attack linked to Gaza motivations and argued this blowback results from Western support for extremist groups, including ISIS and Al Qaeda. He criticized using blanket attribution to Israel, stressing that this rhetoric crowds out rational critique of Israel and U.S. policy. He referenced Epstein as an example of alleged intelligence connections and warned activists to beware of being portrayed in compromising footage. The conversation shifted to Netanyahu’s statement blaming Australia’s recognition of a Palestinian state for the attack. Professor 1 condemned Netanyahu’s framing, calling him anti-Semitic for conflating Judaism with Zionism and arguing that Palestinians are Semites; he claimed the Israeli regime’s influence in Washington is substantial and that accusations against Iran distract from Israel’s genocide. He argued that many Jews oppose the Israeli regime, and that Zionism cannot be equated with Judaism. He reiterated that the regime’s policies, including alleged use of Wahhabism and Western support for extremists, have fueled blowback. Mario asked for final reaction on Netanyahu’s claim and the broader role of Western policy. Michael acknowledged the complexity and described Western-Israeli influence as significant, while insisting on avoiding unfounded accusations about any single actor. Professor 1 condemned terrorism in all forms but argued that the main culprits are those carrying out genocide in Palestine, with the slave-vs-oppressor framing underscoring his view of the Palestinian situation. The discussion closed with a note that both guests view Western policy and Israeli actions as central to global blowback, while cautioning against simplistic attributions of attacks to Iran or Israel without solid evidence.

Hamas agreed to a ceasefire. Israel should go in, destroy them and their infrastructure. Americans should kill those holding Americans. The speaker believes Israel is the terrorist, killing Palestinians with American tax dollars. The other speaker accuses them of being heartless and soulless, referencing Holocaust Remembrance Day. The conversation ends with accusations of hate and being a crime against humanity. Translation: Hamas agreed to a ceasefire. Israel should go in and destroy them and their infrastructure. Americans should kill those holding Americans. The speaker believes Israel is the terrorist, killing Palestinians with American tax dollars. The other speaker accuses them of being heartless and soulless, referencing Holocaust Remembrance Day. The conversation ends with accusations of hate and being a crime against humanity.

The speaker was asked if they believed students protesting were motivated by anti-Semitism or horror at the Gaza slaughter. The speaker dismissed the idea of students being driven by horror and refused to continue the conversation if it was being recorded.

Speaker 0 explains that Netanyahu evokes Jewish history in his religious text and sentiment to rally support for attacks, and that Nurode explains this increases right-wing sentiment in Israel. Speaker 1 notes that when Netanyahu announced the offensive against Iran, he did not just discuss threats but invoked Jewish history, drawing parallels with Jews rising up against Persian enslavement more than two thousand years ago. Speaker 2 adds: “My brothers and sisters, in two days, we celebrate the holiday of Purim. Two thousand five hundred years ago in ancient Persia, an enemy rose against us with the exact same goal of destroying our people.” Speaker 1 continues: “A day later, Netanyahu invoked scripture describing the government in Tehran as Amalek, the ultimate enemy in the Old Testament, the enemy whose memory and existence must be erased.” Speaker 2: “We read in this week's Torah portions. Remember what Amalek did to you. We remember and we act.” Speaker 1 remarks that this is not the first time Netanyahu has used the Amalek reference to justify violence against an adversary. In fact, his reference to Palestinians as Amalek was cited during hearings in the genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice. Speaker 0 states that inciting religious fervor is not unique to Netanyahu; it’s a popular tactic among right-wing and populist leaders to rally support, and it often pays off. She cites opinion polls to illustrate how widespread these sentiments are: a Hebrew University poll on Israel’s war on Gaza found 75% of Jewish Israelis believe there are no innocence in Gaza; a survey by the Institute for National Security released last month shows 78% of Israelis consider Iran a serious threat. Speaker 1 adds that mixing scripture with mainstream politics is playing with fire and has led to talk of a greater Israel spanning from the Euphrates to the Nile River and erasing existing Arab countries in the process, an ambition referenced not only by Netanyahu but also by the head of the opposition in Israel. Speaker 0 concludes with the attribution: Jahan Bin.

Speaker 0 argues that for years the radical left have compared Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers, and that this rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism seen in the country today and must stop right now. Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 describe the unfolding World Trade Center attacks. They say they cannot confirm that a plane hit one of the two towers, but live pictures are showing events. They report seeing another plane and state, “We just saw another one apparently go” and “into the 2nd Tower,” suggesting the second plane’s impact and calling it deliberate. They note, “Now given what has been going on around the world, some of the key suspects come to mind, Osama bin Laden. Who knows who knows what?” Speaker 3 and Speaker 4 respond to the crisis, with one expressing concern about the attackers and implying a confrontation with the culprits. Speaker 4 adds, “But he said, you can you can come and debate me. He invited that debate. He certainly didn't invite the violence,” and comments on the global nature of the problem, identifying “the people on the extremes, the Islamists, the radical Islamists, and their union with the ultra progressives.” They state that these groups “often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech, but they use violence to try to take down their enemies.” Speaker 5 reiterates a personal, contextual stance with the line, “I'm Israeli. And I …” (implying a personal perspective on the conflict). The dialogue collectively frames the incident as a large-scale terrorist attack and discusses the broader ideological landscape, contrasting claims of human rights and free speech with the use of violence by extreme groups.

Speaker 0 opens with "we wanna see the maniacs of Hamas be defeated" and notes "Israel, bombed Qatar, which houses a lot of Hamas officials," asking "What happened here? ... Will this potentially endanger America's own interest in The Middle East?" He contrasts Israel's aims with "unconditional surrender" and asks, "Is that what Israel is aiming for here?" He wonders what "success look[s] like" in Gaza after about twenty-three months and what could have been done differently "on the PR front" or "conduct front." A claim heard is "Israel is committing genocide." The discussion touches on media skepticism, accusations that Israel wants to "ethnically cleanse," and asks for a five-year outlook. The remark "you can't be MAGA if you're anti Israel" prompts Ben Shapiro's response: "And it is totally fine to say to people who wish to destroy our civilization, no, your values suck, and they don't belong here."

Smith onto the space. Harrison, thanks for joining. We’ve got questions about your tweet. How are you? Harrison: I’m pretty good. I just got home, trying to do Advent with my kids, so I have about ten minutes. I heard Matt Baker defending me, so I came to settle objections. What’s up? Smith: First of all, I appreciate you coming on. We’ve had disagreements on X. The first question is about your original tweet about someone telling you Charlie Kirk was going to be assassinated. Explain that, because I’ve got a question about your second tweet. Harrison: That’s it. There’s no further explanation. Somebody with knowledge of the situation told me that, and I tweeted it in response to something Ian Carroll had said, a month before. I told the story again on Moonbase Live when I talked to Jake Shields, a week before the shooting. I won’t tell you who told me because they asked me not to, but it’s basically corroborated. The person I talked to was not the same as those who talked to people like Max Blumenthal. So apparently, multiple people are telling the same story. Only I published it before the event. Did the FBI or TC or something ask you any questions about it? Smith: Nope. Harrison: And that’s the problem, Soleiman. That’s the problem right there. Smith: We’ll move on. He’s got ten minutes. The tweet today said: “the assassination of Charlie Kirk has been a resounding success for the left, they got to kill one of our shining lights, divide the right and normalise political violence and the only backlash they received was Jimmy Kimmel show got suspended for two days.” That seems to contradict your first statement, since the first tweet was before the assassination. How does that message come across? Harrison: The first tweet was before the assassination, so it couldn’t have anything to do with who I thought did it. It was before the assassination, a month earlier, and I had heard the rumor that Charlie Kirk feared for his life. The second tweet reflects the world view that most left people have: “we killed Charlie Kirk. We got away with.” It’s about the left believing they did it and got away with it, and it’s about the weakness of the right to treat threats against us with seriousness. Whether or not it was a leftist is still up in the air; I have unanswered questions about the patsy they have now. Still, the left has benefited. The left acts like they did it. The official story is the left did it, personally. I have questions about that story, but what matters is the widespread perception that the left did it and got away with it, and that informs their behavior. Smith: Do you think the widespread opinion matters? Harrison: I can’t hear you both at once. Matt? Smith: How do you feel about the genocide in Gaza? Harrison: I’m strongly against the genocide in Gaza. Vocally. Since before October 7. I’m against it as an Israeli shill? Smith: No one said that. The argument was that you’ve spoken out against genocide in Gaza before October 7, but Infowars promotes Zionist agendas and Zionist talking points, attacking Muslims in the United States and the UK. Zionist billionaires like Robert Shillman, etc. Harrison: I get it. Zionist interests overlap with mine, but it has nothing to do with Zionism in our calculus. I am for Western culture, America, heritage Americans of all backgrounds, and I’m fighting for Christianity. I’m against Muslims infiltrating Western countries, and I’m against Zionists controlling Western countries. These are not contradictory. There’s nothing Zionist about not wanting Muslims to take over your country, just like there’s nothing Muslim about not wanting Zionists to control your country. Infowars is anti-Zionist recently, and Alex condemns what Israel and Netanyahu are doing. But there’s a deliberate message of unity of all Americans who aren’t trying to dominate or subvert others. Unless they’re Christians, of course. Smith: So you’re saying you’re not arguing for a single team; it’s two enemies, rock, paper, scissors? Harrison: It’s two enemies, not one. I’m against both. I’m against Muslims taking over and against Zionists dominating. It’s not contradictory. It’s not about a single team. Smith: The point isn’t that you must pick sides; the issue is you’ve pushed claims that there is a Muslim takeover, which isn’t supported by numbers or power. People argue this is propaganda. Harrison: Okay. I don’t care whether the takeover has progressed. If I said it’s fake, I’d say that. I’ve got to go, but I appreciate the clarification. Smith: Posted on the day Jake Lang went; you were clearly talking about him. Harrison: I was talking about why Dearborn was the location of the march and why it was appropriate. Jake Lang is Jewish and Zionist; he’s not a Christian. He’s ethnically Jewish. He says he’s Christian, and in Christianity you can convert. I’ll call him a Christian man if that’s how he defines himself. Thanks.

The speaker discusses how the Israel lobby and some Congress members labeled Tucker Carlson “literally Hitler” and argue he’s the greatest threat since Hitler to Jewish people, prompting calls for censorship. He then references a leaked video, reportedly from good people in Israel, showing Israeli troops committing mass anal gang rapes, and notes that Netanyahu described the ensuing disclosure as the worst PR attack and disaster in Israeli history, though not condemning the acts themselves but criticizing the leak and the Israeli media for publicizing them. He argues that the exposure is, in his view, a positive development for Israel because it reveals wrongdoing, while condemning Netanyahu for framing it as a PR disaster. The speaker questions why the focus is on PR rather than the morality of the acts, asking why perpetrators aren’t imprisoned and criticizing pundits on Israeli TV who allegedly suggest normalizing or endorsing such violence. He asserts that Hamas and similar groups are morally condemned, but emphasizes that Netanyahu’s reaction is more about public relations than moral concern. He asserts that evil exists broadly, including in communist China and within the US government, and argues for exposing corruption rather than covering it up, insisting that a moral code is necessary—“a creed to live by,” citing John Wayne and declaring Christian and America-first principles. He presents examples of what he characterizes as “truly disgusting” mainline Israeli TV content, including statements endorsing violence against Muslims, and claims that such rhetoric demonstrates a lack of moral authority. He asserts that there is global scrutiny and that certain Israelis who expose wrongdoing should be in charge, not those who defend or hide it. The speaker then shifts to promoting his platform and legal battles to shut down his show, directing listeners to the AlleyShowStore.com (not his ownership), describing it as funding InfoWars and the Alley Show network. He promotes products, including ultra methylene red and methylene blue, claiming strong, quick effects, non-stimulant feelings, and high customer satisfaction (an 80-plus percent reorder rate for methylene blue). He advertises a sale with autoship options, 50% off future orders, and 25% sitewide discounts through a Black Friday/Cyber Monday-style promotion, noting the deals are time-limited and could end at any moment. He mentions the availability of methylene red on alexjonesstore.com and asserts a broader “disturbance in the force” motif, inviting wide access to these products.

If the Mossad had the October plans a year prior, why wasn't Israel prepared? The speaker questions why this hasn't been earnestly asked due to the "fog of war." Referencing Tom Friedman, the speaker suggests the Israeli government may be the "worst thing" to happen to Jewish people globally, citing rising antisemitism and the implication that being Jewish equates to supporting Netanyahu, not Israel's right to exist. Netanyahu is described as a "monster" for discussing personal sacrifices on TV while hostages remain unnegotiated for. The speaker supports Israel and a two-state solution, noting past efforts to curtail Netanyahu, like restricting bunker-busting bombs and opening aid lanes. Now, aid is blocked, and journalists are being killed at unprecedented rates. The speaker asks where are the protestors who previously chanted "Genocide Joe," as the situation has worsened, and the end is near.

Why is it that Jewish people in this country get blamed for what a nation on the other side of the world is doing constantly? He cites incidents: 'a couple weeks ago, we had, an individual show up at a synagogue in San Antonio with a knife, yelling at the people who came out of services, f all you Jews, go back to your country.' We had a Jewish man assaulted in broad daylight in San Francisco. He continues, 'Anti Zionism, I've long said is anti Semitism. I was wrong. Anti Zionism is genocide.' 'And what I mean is if you so dehumanize Zionists, by the way, every Jewish person is a Zionist.' 'So the idea that our national anthem would be the Hatikva, would be the hope. I should say our. It's the Israel's national anthem.'