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- it's that he took the COVID vaccine off the recommended schedule for children. - 95% of parents were already rejecting that advice, and actually 85% of healthcare workers rejecting that advice. - when these people in the media say that they are standing up for science, they are saying they're going against 95% of parents, and they want every single six month old in this country to have a mandated mRNA COVID injection. - There is a memo going around at the CDC and throughout HHS about how to subvert president Trump and how to subvert secretary Kennedy. - They're saying we're gonna outlast them, that the Republicans are gonna lose the midterms, that this is gonna be a flash in the pan.

Speaker asserts that "the state, however you define that, the military, CDC, Tony Fauci, Ralph Barack at the University of North Carolina created a weaponized virus. Correct? Gain of function research. They contracted it out to China, and it caused a pandemic around the world once it was released. The government created a weaponized virus that then got out and caused a global pandemic." They ask, "When are we gonna have accountability for that?" They seek accountability for "the COVID era," and for "the CDC has known since 1999 that vaccines cause autism, and they've covered it up for twenty six years." They ask, "How do we begin to have accountability?" and conclude, "You want to call it something different? Truth Commissions, criminal trials? You're I would love to comparing"

Speaker 0 argues that anyone can file a complaint with a law enforcement authority for murder conspiracy and demand arrests and prosecutions. He points to a 2013 press release claiming that DARPA awarded Moderna Therapeutics up to $25,000,000 to develop messenger RNA therapeutics, noting that DARPA is the Pentagon and claiming the Pentagon bought, paid for, and envisioned these mRNA shots. He contends Fort Detrick was involved in developing COVID-19 at the UNC BSL-3 and asserts the Pentagon is on both sides of the argument, developing the weapon and the alleged vaccines. Speaker 1 asks whether there is any liability shield for deploying a biowarfare weapon and whether the narrative about congressional liability for Pfizer is a SIOP. Speaker 0 agrees that civil liability is separate from criminal liability, stating in his book Resisting Medical Tyranny that executives at companies developing these mRNA shots are guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder. He cites a Portugal report claiming that upwards of 300,000 Americans had been murdered by the mRNA Franken shots and invokes the JAB resolution, describing it as a Nuremberg crime against humanity and a violation of the Nuremberg Code. He defines a Nuremberg crime against humanity as murder, extermination, and other inhumane acts committed against civilians. Speaker 1 asks about liability for government officials who approved the vaccines. Speaker 0 says FDA officials who approved the shots could be indicted for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, noting the FDA’s involvement in developing COVID-19 as an offensive biological warfare weapon at UNC BSL-3, including a cited contract listing National Center for Toxicological Research and FDA as contributors. He claims the FDA, which approves the vaccines, was involved in this development. Speaker 1 questions the CDC and media accountability, noting the CDC’s recommendation of the vaccines and media promotion of boosters. Speaker 0 says the CDC, including Director Milensky (appointed by Biden, from Harvard Medical School), is complicit, and claims the CDC has a history dating back to the Reagan administration of handling offensive biological warfare projects, including shipping weaponized agents to Saddam Hussein with implications for U.S. troops after Gulf War I. Speaker 1 asks whether there are lawmakers with intel on gain-of-function biowarfare. Speaker 0 mentions Senator Rand Paul as having a strong understanding, but asserts that some lawmakers were threatened and obstructed after consulting him, recounting an experience with Walter Jones of the House Armed Services Committee who briefly engaged but then did not follow up, implying threats prevented action. Speaker 1 asks how citizens should respond, and Speaker 0 advocates reporting to sheriffs, district attorneys, and state attorneys, noting progress with a Collier County health freedom declaration. They discuss enforcement mechanisms, seizure, and incineration of stockpiles, and trial and sentencing for those responsible. Speaker 0 condemns China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology as a bioweapons lab, alleging it was a Chinese counterpart to Fort Detrick, with the Chinese president seeking his own BSL-4 program and an offensive biowarfare arsenal. Speaker 1 notes U.S. funding and international bioweapons labs, including Ukraine and Taiwan, and ends by referencing Lindsey Graham and a speaker labeled as a professor Boyle.

A speaker states that a large segment of the public feels betrayed by scientists who won't admit fault regarding COVID-19. They want to know why they were lied to and no longer care about lab funding. The speaker asks what the scientific community needs to say about lockdowns, masks, and vaccines to restore trust. Another speaker responds that they were a vocal advocate against lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and the anti-scientific approach of public health during the pandemic. They also believe that scientific institutions should be transparent about their involvement in dangerous research that may have caused the pandemic, referring to the lab leak hypothesis.

The United States government has been the main source of misinformation during the pandemic, spreading false claims about COVID transmission, vaccine immunity, and mask effectiveness. The Cochrane review, the most authoritative evidence body in medicine, disproves these claims. Myocarditis is actually more common after vaccination, and young people don't benefit from boosters. Top vaccine experts resigned from the FDA in protest over this issue. The CDC withheld hospitalization rates among vaccinated individuals under 50, and vaccine mandates didn't increase vaccination rates but created more opposition. Medical research has been weaponized, with the CDC releasing flawed studies to support their desired outcomes. Public health officials have been dishonest and lied to the American people.

Speaker 1 asks what justice looks like and what the next steps should be for families affected. Speaker 0 says the first step is to “expose it,” thanking News Nation for covering the issue. He contrasts this with what he describes as a lack of coverage from major networks such as ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, and only one interview on CBS’ streaming service with Major Garrett. He calls it “the biggest government scandal” of his lifetime, stating that people died because they were not given information and that people were permanently disabled because the government withheld information the American people had a right to know. He says he is not giving up, will begin interviewing those affected, and that those responsible “better not lie” as they work to uncover what he calls the entire plot. Speaker 1 asks whether Speaker 0 believes it is bigger than the biggest scandal of his time and bigger than Watergate. Speaker 0 responds that, unlike Watergate, “nobody died” in Watergate, while he claims “tens of thousands of people died after March 1st” from what he calls a “COVID injection.” He adds that children died and parents were convinced by “these lies” to give the injection to their children so it wouldn’t infect their grandchildren. He says they now know the injection didn’t prevent transmission, and he argues that the lies must be revealed and the people behind them must be exposed.

Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

Speaker 0 criticizes Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrician known for his views on COVID. They claim that Hotez's statements are disconnected from reality and discredit American medicine. They accuse him of spreading misinformation and politicizing medicine. Speaker 1 agrees, stating that anti-science beliefs are harmful and that various government agencies should address this issue. Speaker 0 concludes by urging Baylor, the organization associated with Hotez, to distance themselves from him. They argue that Hotez's opponents should be targeted by the justice department.

The discussion centers on the credibility of vaccine safety claims made by various health organizations and the FDA. One speaker argues that vaccines undergo rigorous testing, while the other contends that no vaccine has ever completed a long-term placebo-controlled trial before being licensed. They express distrust in the FDA, citing past issues with drugs like Vioxx and opioids, suggesting that the FDA misled doctors and the public about their safety. The speaker believes that pharmaceutical companies influence these agencies, leading to misinformation about vaccine safety. The goal is to address and rectify this perceived corruption.

The transcript alleges that multiple senior FDA officials, not just Peter Marks, are “complicit.” It claims American people believed these officials, and that each day the officials lie “compounding the lie day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.” It says this makes honesty “less likely” over time. The speaker then references a member of Congress who “cut videos” tied to “the jab,” arguing the videos would “end the pandemic.” The transcript asserts that the advocacy for the injections “killed people” and “permanently disabled them,” adding that doctors, federal health officials, and Stephen Colbert “wouldn’t want to do that.” The speaker describes what they call a “global state of denial,” saying other governments relied on federal health officials and “forced it down there,” with administration mandates requiring the injections “in complete violation” of the Nuremberg Code, which the speaker frames as prohibiting forcing medical treatment. The transcript claims that people died as a result. It contrasts political claims about the pandemic, saying Biden blamed “the pandemic of the unvaccinated” while “losing patients,” and then asserting, “Now we’re losing patients too.” The speaker says the central issue is that “your injection didn’t stop transmission” and that “your injection killed people” and “permanently disabled people.”

The speaker argues that looking up “FDA licensed vaccines” and reviewing “6.1” in vaccine inserts on the FDA website shows that placebo trials “never” occurred, including for childhood vaccines. The speaker claims that these placebo trial details are contained in insert text that was “wrapped around a vaccine” but allegedly not shown to people due to lack of “informed consent,” and that experts may cite studies that the speaker says did not exist. The speaker further alleges that Tony Fauci lied about “six foot distancing,” and that “everyone at the CDC and the regulatory agencies” lied. The speaker also claims that Robert Kennedy Jr. stated that COVID vaccine efficacy claims about stopping transmission were lied about, referencing Rachel Maddow’s claim that if you take the vaccine “it stops with you,” and the speaker asserts “the virus stops with you bull crap” and “it does. And you heard that here,” followed by a claim that it “does not” based on what “we know.” The speaker says that FDA “has already admitted” these points and emphasizes a call to “start asking people to show their work” and to “see the evidence,” saying “Do not trust experts any longer” because “we’ve been lied to long enough.” The speaker expresses hope that a documentary will not be the last made and claims they do interviews by giving their opinions directly and not worrying about being edited “to make me look crazy,” arguing that audiences will decide for themselves. The speaker then discusses the “vaxxed versus unvaxxed” study, saying they worked to build a relationship with someone who wanted to “prove me wrong.” The speaker claims they took a risk and promised to trust whatever the study shows if it is published, and asserts that the study results will show “how bad it is when you do this study the right way.” The speaker claims the CDC has “done this study a thousand times” trying to prove vaccinated people are healthier and that it “can’t” be done, and that doing it “the right way” will reveal worse outcomes. Finally, the speaker frames the “inconvenient” study as inconvenient for panels, for the pharmaceutical industry that allegedly owns television stations, and for CDC and HHS leadership, concluding that they “aren’t going to take it anymore” and claiming “evidence like they have never, ever had before.”

The speaker claims that searching the FDA website for “FDA licensed vaccines” and checking section 6.1 on vaccine insert documents will show that placebo trials “never did” occur, including for childhood vaccines. They argue that placebo trial details are included in insert materials for vaccines where the public “never got to see” certain information due to lack of informed consent, and they say experts would claim those studies were done because they rely on what the insert language indicates or what they assert based on expert testimony. The speaker further asserts that Tony Fauci lied about six-foot distancing and that “Everyone at the CDC and the regulatory agencies” lied about COVID-19 vaccine efficacy, specifically claiming the vaccine “would stop transmission” was false and that if vaccinated people contract and transmit the virus, “the virus stops with you” and they claim it “does not” stop with you. They say the FDA has “already admitted it,” and they call for people to “start asking people to show their work,” to seek evidence, and to “not trust experts any longer,” stating they have been lied to “long enough.” They express that they hope a documentary is not the last one and say they take interviews without concern about edits that could make them look “crazy,” because they believe viewers will agree. The speaker then discusses the “vaxxed versus unvaxxed study,” saying they have been addressing it “forever” and that they took a risk by agreeing to trust the study’s results if the other party published them. They say the CDC has “done this study a thousand times” in ways meant to prove vaccinators are healthier and “they can’t do it,” and they claim that results become “bad” when the study is done “the right way.” They describe an “inconvenient study” that they say is inconvenient for panelists, for the pharmaceutical industry that they say owns television stations, and for CDC leadership and HHS officials they claim were involved in “covering up the real science.” They conclude that people will “not take it anymore” and that they now have evidence “like they have never, ever had before.”

Speaker 0 questions the idea that Doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions, seeking clarity on the claim. Speaker 1 says they are reasonable and that Fauci is not an innocent bystander; he is aware of what he’s doing, but the extent of involvement is not known to them. Speaker 2 cites the Center for Countering Digital Hate, stating Dirashad Bhattar is one of the top spreaders of COVID disinformation, once with more than a million followers. Bhattar allegedly claimed “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” and that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID nineteen vaccine.” He posted that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025,” and promoted the overarching conspiracy that COVID was a planned operation as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 2 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 2 confirms there is a suspicion of a plan to reduce the population, though Speaker 1 says they have no idea. Speaker 2 criticizes Bhattar, saying it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous and that Qatar (Qatar’s commentary) compares COVID and the vaccine to World War II and Doctor Anthony Fauci to Adolf Hitler. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking to what extent Fauci would be equated with Hitler. Speaker 3 asserts that lies cost lives in a pandemic, and that encouraging people not to vaccinate will cause people to lose their lives. Speaker 2 describes Qatar as encouraging distrust of life-saving vaccines and using false, twisted information and unproven conspiracies to do so. Speaker 0 asks if the COVID vaccine works. Speaker 1 states the vaccine is very effective at what it was designed for, but “it’s not preventing death. Certainly not.” Speaker 2 contradicts, claiming that Bhattar believes life-saving vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself, and Speaker 1 asks why the vaccine would cause more deaths than the problem itself, noting 6,340,000,000 doses administered. Speaker 0 requests the completion of a sentence about what each vaccine is geared up for, but Speaker 1 says he’s not a vaccine developer and mentions “Scientific corruption.” Speaker 2 notes Qatar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram due to disinformation but remains on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site, filled with falsehoods. Speaker 0 recalls a September 5 retweet of a doctored AstraZeneca packaging photo suggesting the vaccine was made in 2018; Speaker 1 says the photo was perhaps fake, and questions why Speaker 0 would challenge the agencies that have caused deaths. Speaker 0 argues it’s reasonable to question agencies, noting Speaker 1 had 1,200,000 followers who received false information; Speaker 1 admits if a tweet with a doctor’s photo was sent in error, it was a mistake, and he cannot make mistakes on the numbers. Speaker 2 notes vaccine studies showing vaccines remain ninety percent effective in preventing hospitalization and death, while Qatar claims the vaccine is the danger. Speaker 1 counters that thousands are dying and the delta variant is “vaccine injured,” citing CDC data, which Speaker 0 disputes as not true. Speaker 1 asserts he does not want to be part of a mass genocide and suggests this era will be remembered as a worst time in history, even worse than World War II. Speaker 0 concludes by calling Speaker 1 crazy. Speaker 2 ends with a reference to North Carolina’s Board of Medicine reprimanding someone prior to COVID.

The transcript describes a contentious exchange about the COVID-19 vaccine and the roles of public health figures and political leaders. Key points include: - Speaker 0 asserts there was a “fake vaccine” pushed by Antony Fauci and Deborah Birx, accusing Trump of failing to fire them and allowing them to “destroy the said economy,” impose “fascist restrictions,” and promote a vaccine that Speaker 0 claims has “killed and maimed breathtaking numbers of people.” The vaccine is described as self-replicating and not proven safe or effective, with the period framed as Trump’s Christmas message in 2020 during Operation Warp Speed. - Speaker 1 counters that millions of doses of a safe and effective vaccine were delivered, thanking scientists, researchers, manufacturing workers, and service members, calling it a “Christmas miracle.” - Speaker 0 then reframes Trump’s stance, labeling the vaccine push as aligned with the agendas of Gates, Fauci, Klaus Schwab, and the World Economic Forum, calling them “the deep state” and asserting that Trump was pushing their agenda rather than opposing it. - A year later, in late 2021, Speaker 0 notes ongoing consequences of the vaccine and the pandemic, while Speaker 1 repeats positive messaging about the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness, and asserts that those who do not take the vaccine may experience more severe illness if they become very sick and go to the hospital. Speaker 1 emphasizes that the vaccine “worked” and that taking it provides protection, while non-vaccination is framed as a personal choice. - In the ensuing exchange, Speaker 1 makes a historical analogy, claiming the vaccine is “one of the greatest achievements of mankind,” noting that during the Spanish flu there were no vaccines, and claiming three vaccines were developed in less than nine months, whereas it would normally take five to twelve years. - Speaker 2 interjects, noting that more people died under Biden than under Trump during the year being discussed, and that more people took the vaccine that year, prompting a defense from Speaker 1 that the vaccine is effective and reduces the severity of illness, while if one contracts COVID, the illness is minor with vaccination. - The sequence ends with Speaker 0 labeling what was said as “utter, utter mendacity” and “Lying.” Overall, the transcript centers on a polarized debate over the vaccine’s safety and efficacy, the motivations and actions of public health officials and political leaders, contrasting claims that the vaccine was a dangerous, coerced plot with claims that it was a safe, efficacious public health breakthrough. It also juxtaposes Trump’s mixed public positions from 2020–2021, ranging from criticism of the vaccine push to praise of the vaccine as a major achievement.

The speaker criticizes Mr. Kennedy for spreading disinformation about COVID vaccines. They mention an incident where Kennedy used unvetted data from VARs to claim that vaccines were killing people, leading to vaccine hesitancy and unnecessary deaths. The speaker calls this science denial and questions Kennedy's credibility. In response, Kennedy argues that VARs is an unreliable system for reporting vaccine adverse events due to voluntary reporting. He claims that CDC's own studies show that VARs undercounts vaccine injuries by a hundredfold. Kennedy also mentions a Harvard study that developed a more accurate system, but CDC allegedly shut it down and refused to address the issue. Kennedy questions why CDC doesn't have a better system in place.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

The speakers claim the COVID-19 vaccination program is an ongoing mass experiment that President Trump doesn't want to stop because he is proud of Operation Warp Speed. One speaker says this is tragic because the vaccines are being given to kids. One speaker describes internal fighting and paradoxical actions, such as trying to block the vaccine rollout while simultaneously targeting new variants with updated mRNA vaccines. They assert the vaccines are killing people, referencing autopsy evidence and histopathology. One speaker highlights a leaked video where Trump suggests limiting the vaccine for kids but believes it helps older people. The other speaker refutes this, stating the vaccine kills older people, citing autopsy findings and a BMJ report by the Norwegian Health Authority that found the vaccine likely caused at least 10% and possibly up to 36% of post-vaccination deaths investigated. They claim the CDC reports zero deaths from mRNA vaccines, a claim they dispute based on histopathology slides.

The speaker claims the Biden administration covered up science related to the COVID shot. Information related to vaccine complications was allegedly censored as COVID vaccine hesitant content. The speaker alleges the heart inflammation in young, healthy men and boys was not disclosed as soon as it should have been, resulting in thousands of kids developing myocarditis unnecessarily. The speaker suggests the administration knew the shot didn't stop transmission but kept it secret. The head of the FDA is cited as saying the Biden administration suppressed information about myocarditis damage to children. The speaker believes this sounds criminal, especially considering mandates for school, work, and travel.

Speaker 0 argues that invoking “the science says this because CDC says it, because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it” is a “logical fallacy” and an “appeals to authority.” “You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually efforts more problems than it causes.” He says he can show many studies, “It’s in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.” “Show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.” Speaker 1 concedes the CDC isn’t perfect but notes, “There are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccine vaccines who are perfectly healthy. Perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.” “The vaccines are not all bad.” and adds, “Just because we have suspicions about some of them, and in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can and because you started this, Bobby, by saying, I am not anti vaxx.” Speaker 0 asks for “a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.” Speaker 1 says, “They say the studies show no linkage of harm.” The exchange ends: “Let's advance the discussion. Okay?”

The discussion centers on COVID-19 misinformation and the roles of public figures and disinformation spreaders. Speaker 0 questions whether doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions. Speaker 1 says he cannot confirm involvement but asserts Fauci is not an innocent bystander and is aware of his actions; he doesn’t have the information to determine the extent of Fauci’s involvement. Speaker 2 identifies Dr. Dirashid Bhattar as one of the top spreaders of COVID-19 disinformation on social media, citing the Center for Countering Digital Hate, noting Bhattar once had more than a million followers. The dialogue includes several false or debunked claims attributed to Bhattar. Speaker 1 states that “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” a claim Speaker 2 labels as not true, along with Bhattar’s assertion that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID vaccine,” and his claim that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025.” Bhattar’s broader theory is that COVID was a planned operation, politically motivated as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 1 responds affirmatively but says he has no idea who is behind it. Speaker 2 warns that praising or repeating Bhattar’s views is dangerous, noting Bhattar’s use of false or twisted information to distrust vaccines. The conversation touches on whether the COVID vaccine works; Speaker 1 says the vaccine is “very effective at what it was designed for perhaps,” but “not preventing death.” Speaker 0 challenges this, and Speaker 2 counters that Bhattar doubles down on vaccines being more dangerous than the virus, even in the face of data. A numerical claim is raised: “6,340,000,000 doses of this vaccine have been given,” with implications if the claim were true. Speaker 1 says vaccines are designed with ingredients published and that each vaccine appears to be different, though he concedes not being a vaccine developer. Speaker 2 notes Bhattar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram for disinformation but remains active on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site. Speaker 0 references a September 5 retweet of a photo suggesting AstraZeneca was made in 2018; Speaker 1 acknowledges it could have been fake and questions why Bhattar would share such content. A combined exchange discusses questioning agencies and the consequences of misinformation, with Speaker 0 accusing Bhattar of contributing to a mass misinformation problem and Speaker 1 acknowledging the existence of a large follower base that has received false information. The dialogue closes with a mention of a statement from North Carolina’s Board of Medicine prior to COVID, implying regulatory context or action.

The United States government has been the main source of misinformation during the pandemic, spreading false claims about COVID transmission, vaccine immunity, and mask effectiveness. The Cochrane review, the most authoritative evidence body in medicine, disproves these claims. Myocarditis is actually more common after vaccination, and young people don't benefit from boosters. Top vaccine experts resigned from the FDA in protest over this issue. The CDC withheld hospitalization rates among vaccinated individuals under 50, and vaccine mandates didn't increase vaccination rates but created more opposition. Medical research has been weaponized, with the CDC releasing flawed studies to support their desired outcomes. Public health officials have been intellectually dishonest and lied to the American people.

In the exchange, Speaker 1 advocates that a solution to vaccination uptake may require some form of mandatory vaccination, noting that federal officials resist that term. Speaker 2 adds that once people feel legally empowered, educational institutions will require vaccination, with colleges, universities, and employers like Amazon and Facebook signaling that anyone wanting to study or work there must be vaccinated. He asserts that making life difficult for people will cause them to drop ideological objections and get vaccinated. Speaker 0 challenges whether all objections to COVID vaccinations are “ideological bullshit,” insisting that is not what was being referred to and arguing that the claim about making it hard for people to live was made in a broader context about education, travel, work, and overall life, and that she takes offense at the interpretation. Speaker 0 then references Miss Allison Williams, who testified before the committee about losing her job after seeking an exemption from ESPN’s vaccine mandate. Williams’ case involved recommendations from bureaucrats and a fertility expert, highlighting that she and her husband, who were pursuing pregnancy with medical guidance, should not have been forced to vaccinate. Speaker 0 contends she was fired because “you made it hard” as described in the statement, preventing her from working, living, and making health decisions with her healthcare professional, thereby impacting American society’s ability to flourish and self-determine certain rights—stating that America should take offense at this. The dialogue shifts to Doctor Fauci. The speaker addresses him directly, calling him “doctor of fear” and stating that Americans do not hate science but hate having their freedoms taken. The speaker accuses Fauci of inspiring and creating fear through mass mandates, school closures, and vaccine mandates, claiming these policies have destroyed the American people’s trust in public health institutions and will have ripple effects for generations. It is asserted that fear has manifested in areas such as education and the economy, and the speaker concludes by separating their stance from science, saying, “I disagree with you because I disagree with fear.” The exchange ends with Speaker 0 yielding.

Speaker 1 says they believed more people were becoming aware that vaccines cause autism and sudden infant death syndrome in certain cases, that many vaccines are never proven safe or effective, and that approvals occur under “fraudulent conditions,” citing laws and authorizations such as the PREP Act and emergency use authorization for COVID vaccines. They argue the vaccine industry is “a complete and total fraud” and ask whether that realization is happening in local government or schools. Speaker 0 replies that in states including Connecticut, New York, California, Illinois, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, the situation still resembles 2019 because it is framed as a political issue. They claim left-leaning officials will “do anything” to thwart what they call an agenda, despite what they describe as “solid, peer-reviewed scientific data,” “mountains of evidence,” and congressional and Senate hearings. They reference testimony by Aaron Siri, Robert F. Kennedy as HHS, Robert Malone, and others, and say Senator Ron Johnson held hearings. Speaker 0 asserts that when they tried to testify, their testimony was muted and cut off during a public health committee process. Speaker 0 says officials on those committees continue to claim there is no evidence vaccines cause autism, that vaccines are safe and effective, and that vaccines are the best way to protect public health and achieve herd immunity. They also mention that these officials still wear masks in legislative chambers. Speaker 1 responds that the persistence of such positions raises the question of how society can function with “ignorant, illiterate people” in charge of legislative processes. Speaker 0 says they no longer live in Connecticut and presents two options: voting them out is not expected because of a supermajority and because, in their view, many voters are affected by election fraud, not alive, not legal citizens, or are “blinded followers.” They state the conflict is framed as “my team, us versus them.” They say they do not think the situation can be won politically in Connecticut, so options are moving or fighting back in courts. Speaker 0 says they moved but still wants to fight in court for states including California, Connecticut, and New York, citing friends and family who cannot leave due to circumstances such as custody arrangements and the risk of being charged with kidnapping. They state they continue lawsuits for those who cannot relocate.

The United States government has been the main source of misinformation during the pandemic, spreading false claims about COVID transmission, vaccine immunity, and mask effectiveness. The Cochrane review, the most authoritative evidence body in medicine, disproves these claims. Myocarditis is actually more common after vaccination, and young people don't benefit from boosters. Top vaccine experts resigned from the FDA in protest. Vaccine mandates didn't increase vaccination rates, but instead created a group of never vaxxers. Medical research has been weaponized, with the CDC releasing flawed studies to support their desired outcomes. Public health officials have been dishonest and lied to the American people.

The speaker discusses internal resistance to RFK Jr.’s policies and the idea that “deep staters” have been entrenched in government. They mention being forwarded an anecdote from a “good career employee.” They point to the FDA, noting that when Marty Makary came in, he had only about 10 political appointees he could choose. Jay Bhattacharya at the NIH allegedly had one political appointee. The speaker claims that every government employee is a “deep stater” who has been there a long time and that an email from a good employee circulates a CIA manual called How to Be a Bad Bureaucrat and Subvert an Institution from Within. The email supposedly asserts that 90% of employees at HHS, which has 70,000 employees, are talking in lunchrooms about the manual and telling each other that their job is to save America and save science from the agenda of President Trump and RFK Jr. The speaker asserts this reflects how people think across major departments and asks how to get rid of them, suggesting firing them as a solution, and mentions SIOP in this context. The CDC is presented as a case study of failure, described as a public health disaster in its COVID-19 response. The speaker alleges that the CDC’s guidance on school lockdowns copied directly from a teacher union document with which they were aligned, reproducing paragraphs from the teacher’s union advocating for two years of school shutdowns. It is claimed that the CDC also said that cloth masks were fine. The speaker says the CDC led the response and that the NIH funded the entire pandemic, including gain-of-function research, asserting that this constitutes “the creation of the pandemic.” In contrast, RFK Jr. is said to have fired three employees, and this action is described as national news. The overall narrative emphasizes a view of pervasive internal opposition within federal agencies, a controversial and sweeping critique of the CDC, NIH, and HHS responses to the pandemic, and a framing of RFK Jr.’s personnel decisions as transformative and newsworthy.