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Afshin Ratansi introduces the discussion by linking Donald Trump’s upcoming meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Gaza, and past U.S.-Israel-related controversy, including claims attributed to Seymour Hersh’s account about Israel’s Dimona reactor and the idea that U.S./NATO clandestine structures have continued shaping events. Ratansi frames Operation Gladio as a CIA/MI6-linked NATO “stay-behind” system used to stage atrocities for blame and political disruption in Cold War Europe, and asks Colonel Roxantana Watkins about its scale and connections. Colonel Roxantana Watkins explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO and depended on secret agreements among NATO-aligned organizations to create stay-behind units. She says terrorism and “false flags” were used as a method to prepare battlefields and create cover operations. Watkins argues these networks were used beyond Europe, citing Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, Korea before the Korean War began, and Vietnam. She says “Operation Gladio” is a generic term because programs in different countries had different names, with Italy being the only country she says conducted an in-depth study and revealed its existence, using the “Gladio” name. Ratansi adds that Italy, with a large Communist Party after 1945, used claims of fake atrocities at railway stations to discredit the left. Watkins agrees and argues that the “communism” label functioned as a boogeyman, pointing to declassified CIA documents she references and describing how labor organizing in Italy was described in ways linked to workers’ rights suppressed under Mussolini. She claims that financial intelligence and corporate control helped track and influence people, tying it to intelligence figures and an “international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling society. Ratansi asks how Gladio could have become connected to Israeli interests, and whether James Angleton anticipated it. Watkins says Angleton was positioned at CIA desks related to Mossad and Vatican connections and links Gladio’s alleged strategy of tension to ideas from the late 1800s, describing efforts to create “left and right” camps to pit people against each other. She presents Israel as a strategy of tension focal point in the Middle East and describes other friction points, including Taiwan (“Formosa”) and Colombia, while claiming covert operations were funded through drug trafficking networks. Ratansi then pivots to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which he says was live-streamed. Watkins states she believes it fits broader vested interests, arguing Kirk promoted dialogue across divides and that “the apparatus” cannot have people talking to each other. She claims the current Gladio is connected to student youth movements, referencing alleged mechanisms in Serbia and the role of George Soros funding operations. Watkins compares Kirk’s influence to Fred Hampton’s Rainbow Coalition, saying the FBI assassinated Hampton and that authorities would not allow large movements that unite people to last. Ratansi asks what happens if public scale poverty and immiseration increase, referencing hunger in SNAP during a government shutdown, and asks about the possibility of rebellion if people are pushed too far. Watkins claims the 42 million figure is exaggerated and says she argues the system involves cutting off funding and creating conditions for radicalization, including targeted radicalization. She claims false flag operations were attempted in Venezuela in 2019 and 2020 but did not produce the intended groundswell against Maduro, which she links to U.S. company interest in oil. Ratansi raises the Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether such disclosures could shock the public enough to overthrow oligarchic power. Watkins links her broader “wheel” of operations to the need for “grease” and says blackmail is what makes the system operate, asserting Epstein and similar figures functioned as sources of control. She also claims other countries have their own blackmail operations and describes the role of filmed incidents and exposure leading to suicides, while repeatedly treating these events as part of covert mechanisms. Finally, Ratansi asks Watkins about Israeli power over the Trump administration, referencing PragerU, Alexis Wilkins, Kash Patel, and alleged funding connections. Watkins says she finds it notable that Trump publicly called out funding she associates with Israeli-linked influence and claims Israel repeatedly appears in Gladio-related research, including alleged roles in training networks, missile transfers, and weapons shipments. She also claims Israel became a major diamond seller despite not owning diamond mines, and says Israeli support for politicians is troubling because of funding influence.

The US, we want war with Iran because they're the last opponent, and they want a war with China because they’re gonna be the next great power competitor. Palantir is a CIA cutout; Palantir was founded by Peter Thiel. Palantir is a CIA cutout. They created this artif—it's basically artificial intelligence or an algorithm to interpret these vast amounts of data, and Palantir identifies the capital rioters and identifies who wasn't vaccinated, using Bluetooth contact tracing. Irving Kristol's the godfather of neoconservatism; Congress for Cultural Freedom is a project of the CIA. The CIA groom conservatives at elite universities; Palantir ties to the CIA; Thiel funds JD Vance and others. The DOJ’s top five priorities: revoking naturalized citizenship from anybody that is a threat to Israel or criticizes Israel. Epstein didn’t kill himself. On True Social, the day after he bombed Iran, he said, why wouldn’t we do regime change? We bombed Iran’s nuclear facility, and Trump’s policies and Epstein coverage dominate debate, with concerns about growing censorship and the political future.

The documentary presents a sweeping narrative that the modern era’s wars and security state are driven by deliberate, government-sponsored manipulation—false flag operations and orchestrated crises designed to terrify populations, justify expanded power, and secure global hegemony. It threads together historical examples, contemporary incidents, and testimonies to argue that the public has been misled by official narratives and that truth is being hidden behind “specters of fear.” False flag origins and early precedents - The program defines false flag operations as covert actions designed to appear as if carried out by other actors, with a long focus on the use of terror as a pretext for political ends. - Adolf Hitler’s regime is cited as a classic example: Reichstag fire in 1933, with a patsy framed for the blaze, enabling new laws that consolidated power. The film emphasizes the crisis as a vehicle to drift toward dictatorship and aggression. - The 1953 Iran coup is described as a CIA-MI6 operation (Operation Ajax) that overthrew Mohammad Mossaddegh after his nationalization of oil, with Western intelligence allegedly admitting to terror attacks and propaganda against Mossaddegh. The narrative stresses the role of MI6 and the CIA in orchestrating fear and regime change, and the long-term consequences of SAVAK and imperial influence. - Operation Gladio is presented as an umbrella for Western intelligence-led bombings in Europe (Italy, NATO states) designed to be blamed on leftists; Bologna’s 1980 bombing is highlighted as an instance where officials later spoke of Gladio’s civilian targeting. - The Gulf of Tonkin incident is recounted as a staged pretext to escalate U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia, with declassified accounts and tapes cited to show manipulated intelligence and the subsequent Tonkin Resolution enabling mass casualties. Cold War and postwar covert operations - The film cites Northwoods, a proposed plan to hijack aircraft and blame others to justify war with Cuba; it notes that President Johnson pursued some operational concepts in that vein, linking them to defense planning in the era. - The USS Liberty incident is recounted with claims of an Israeli attack that was allowed to proceed despite clear identification of the ship, and subsequent suppression of details. The narrative includes interviews with figures who allege political orders to sink the ship and to blame it on Egypt. - The 1964 Tonkin incident, the 1967-1968 war moves, and covert operations across the globe are woven into a larger claim that Western powers have repeatedly manufactured or exploited external threats to justify expansion and intervention. 7/7 and London: a modern false flag argument - The film pivots to the July 7, 2005 London bombings, arguing MI6 involvement and suggesting that Al Qaeda links were contrived or manipulated. It points to Madrid’s 2004 bombings as a precursor, noting that officials later admitted Al Qaeda had limited or no connection in some cases. - It presents testimony about MI6 involvement with operatives associated with or acting as assets, including claims about a mastermind linked to MI6 and the protection of a suspect (Aswat) by British intelligence. - The documentary emphasizes anomalies in the official narrative: a single bus diverted to Tavistock Square, eyewitness inconsistencies about the bomber, and post-event claims about surveillance footage and MO incongruities. It asserts evidence of cover-ups, whistleblowers, and political calculations aimed at maintaining fear and martial-law-like measures. - It frames the London attacks as a tool to bolster Tony Blair’s political standing, allow the passage of restrictive laws, and justify overseas military campaigns, while alleging a broader pattern of Western governments staging terror to secure interests. 9/11 and the “inside job” thesis - The centerpiece is a claim that 9/11 was an inside job, with expert and lay testimonies questioning the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, Building 7, and the presence of alternative explanations (thermite, controlled demolition). - The film cites declassified and public materials (Northwoods-like concepts; cited White House memos about luring Saddam into a war through staged actions; investigations into the Pentagon frames) to argue that the government manipulated intelligence and public opinion to justify the Iraq War. - It features a roster of notable figures—former MI5/MI6 whistleblowers, CIA veterans, and academics—who challenge the official 9/11 account, including references to Operation Northwoods, the PNAC document, and analyses suggesting a “false flag” justification for imperial aims. - Charlie Sheen’s public remarks are highlighted as a turning point in mainstream attention to alternative theories, followed by media coverage of new 9/11 footage and debates about Building 7, the Pentagon frames, and thermite evidence. - The documentary cites physicists and engineers who question official explanations, citing molten metal, traces of thermite, and expert analyses of the WTC collapse as signs of demolition rather than collapse from fire alone. Surveillance, civil liberties, and the information war - A recurring claim is that the modern battle is largely informational: psychological warfare, public relations, and control of the narrative are seen as the dominant form of warfare, with public opinion manipulation described as the real battlefield. - Edward Bernays is invoked as the architect of modern propaganda, with quotes about shaping masses and an “invisible government” pulling the strings—an “unseen mechanism” that governs democratic societies. - The film argues that fear and threats are used to erode civil liberties: expanded surveillance, identity cards, free-speech restrictions, and the use of homeland-security rhetoric to suppress dissent, including zones for demonstrations and media suppression in multiple democracies. - It mentions whistleblowers from MI5/MI6 who claim funding of extremist groups and complicity in covert actions, and it frames journalists and activists as agents of influence or targets of state pressure when challenging official narratives. Iraq, oil, and empire - Pentagon and White House documents are cited to claim that post-9/11 strategy sought to counter regional threats and secure access to oil resources, with basing and long-term occupation framed as part of a broader plan for permanent military presence and regional control. - The film argues that the “war on terror” is a pretext for a broader imperial project: redrawing borders, destabilizing regions to facilitate resource control, and exploiting crises to profit defense contractors. - It contends that the “new world order” seeks to keep populations under surveillance and compliance, with public narratives constructed around fear of terrorism and the need for security measures that erode cherished liberties. Closing call - The speakers urge viewers to uncover motive (qui bono), question official stories, and resist the expansion of government power through fear and manipulation. - They advocate for independent inquiry, whistleblowing, and public accountability to stop what they call an ongoing cycle of manufactured crises used to justify a global empire and a police-state governance model. Note: The summary mirrors the documentary’s asserted claims, statements, and testimonies as presented, without endorsing their veracity.

- The discussion centers on the Strait of Hormuz and the insurance aspect of shipping, including Lloyd’s of London and war-risk premiums, in the context of U.S. assurances to backstop insurance for ships transiting the strait. - Speaker 1 asserts that oligarchs at the top of global power structures originated in industries like insurance and banking, and historically use insurance to manage or erase liabilities when they wish to rebuild or replace assets. He cites asbestos abatement costs as a driver for rebuilding by burning down structures, with insurance stepping in to cover losses. - The conversation emphasizes that Lloyd’s of London has traditionally extended coverage in wartime, merely raising premiums, and contrasts this with the current situation, where Lloyd’s reportedly refuses to insure ships through the Strait of Hormuz. This is presented as unusual and indicative of a strategic shift. - The link between insurance and intelligence is highlighted: Lloyd’s and the Crown/MI6 allegedly have a close relationship, with insurance networks serving as a conduit for intelligence operations. The transition from a prewar structure (CV Star in Asia) to what is now AIG is discussed, with implications that insurance entities act as intelligence arms. - The UK’s stance is explored: Britain staying out of certain actions and not allowing U.S. bases signals a preference to maintain Iran as a regional counterbalance, preserving a strategic environment that benefits long-standing power dynamics. - A historical arc is drawn: after the 1953 Iranian coup, MI6, the CIA, and Mossad allegedly supported the SABAK (later the Republican Guard) to create a state security apparatus used to sustain a regime of tension. A legitimate government in Iran is portrayed as potentially destabilizing for those who profit from ongoing regional turmoil. - The strategy of tension is defined as creating chaos to implement control structures. The discussion outlines how external powers historically identify domestic fault lines (e.g., Shia, Ba’athists, Kurds) and stage false-flag incidents to justify regime change and sustain instability and influence. - The conversation extends to sleeper cells and “stay-behind” operations, arguing that the CIA has recruited and relocated personnel globally, including into the United States, via refugee programs and covert channels. Examples cited include links to prominent figures and longstanding patterns of CIA-backed displacement and recruitment. - The speakers connect these mechanisms to broader domestic turmoil, suggesting that refugee movements and urban unrest in places like Chicago and Minnesota are part of a deliberate plan to perpetuate chaos for geopolitical and financial ends. - The forum signals an upcoming discussion with Colonel Towner Watkins about Iran’s endgame and potential spirals of chaos, following the break.

The discussion outlines a close relationship in Los Angeles between Israelis and the Jewish mafia. By 1949, Mickey Cohen’s personal rabbi was Menachem Begin, described as “the father of all terrorism.” The speakers assert that Cohen was the head of the LA mob, noting that while many people think the mafia was Italian, “a lot of the mafia was actually the head mafia bosses were Jewish,” and that “the mob was run by Jews,” with Italians running the local mob and Jews running the large-scale international syndicate. They identify Meyer Lansky as “the primary crime boss” and state he led from 1931 until the end of the 1970s. Lansky allegedly never went to prison, unlike others who did; he ran major blackmail operations, described as “the original Epstein,” and there is an assertion that he had blackmail on J. Edgar Hoover. They quote a sensational line about Hoover: “Hoover sucking what's his name? Sucking on the took by Tolson's dick.” The speakers claim Lansky went on the run in the 1970s when America chased him, went to Israel, and was denied entry, though he was given a travel visa to continue on the run. They admit they are not certain how Lansky’s story ended. The conversation emphasizes the interconnection between the CIA, the mafia, and Israel, stating that this relationship helped produce a broader, intertwined network: “the CIA and the mafia, and the Israelis,” with a claim that Kennedy was killed as a consequence of these relationships. They describe the global “inter interconnected” nature of the teams and suggest that one cannot separate the CIA, the mob, and Israel, pointing to the intersections involving Meyer Lansky.

October 7 is where history changed, where the Palestinians stood up and said no more. "To pretend that suddenly October 7 is where it all begins is ludicrous. Israel was bombing Hezbollah well before this. Israel was blowing up Iranian scientists well before this." "Israel is in itself a criminal enterprise. You can't commit a crime against a criminal enterprise. And we're funding them. We own them. We fund them." "parasites have taken over our body. They own us now. They're running Congress. They're running the presidency. They run the media." "In 1948, the CIA began a relationship with the organization of Ukrainian Nationalists at Stepan Banderas' murderous Nazi allies that continues to this day, to undermine the Soviet Union, funded by the CIA." "We support murderers in Ukraine. We support murderers in Israel. We have done so from the very beginning."

In the new Epstein files, Epstein claims to represent the Rothschilds and describes the 2014 CIA-backed coup in Kiev, Ukraine as a lucrative business opportunity, according to the newly released documents. He writes in an email to Peter Thiel of Palantir: “certainly not in Saudi. Just think I will avoid the Middle East for the next, decade or so. Should be back on the East Coast in late April or May sometime in New York City on an island.” He adds, “I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has a 160,000,000,000 in it. Management can do something in tech, best clients in the world, prehistoric products, etcetera, etcetera.” Mel Kay notes that Epstein was “really laying it on thick for Peter Thiel.” Mel Kay argues that a supranational international banking cartel has run the country and the world since World War II, with a generational wealth circle that has persisted since the Federal Reserve. She notes that Ariana Rothschild was close with Epstein and says the revelations should trigger questions about the international banking system, especially the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the IMF, and the World Bank, as well as the groups at the very top. She contends that immunity under the International Immunities Act of 1945—which created immunity from audit or legal action for BIS and the 63 banks beneath it—remains in place to this day, and she believes the answers lie there. She asks why Rothschilds’ names are not widely visible yet are cited as shaping global finance, and what the “160,000,000,000” bank refers to, asserting that all roads lead to BIS. Epstein’s documents allegedly include Ariana Rothschild stating that they funded Hitler, to which Epstein and Mel Kay respond, “Yes. So did we.” The discussion centers on infiltration versus invasion, questioning whether wars have been for profit and whether much of the narrative surrounding Ukraine involves manipulation for opportunities. The speakers discuss post–World War II manipulation, arguing that after the Dulles brothers, John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, took control of the state department, USAID, and the CIA, a tentacle of a supranational global public-private partnership and international banking cartel was created. They suggest that the CIA, MI6, Mossad, and other agencies are part of a single, overarching structure, asserting that the immunity and secrecy of these institutions enable ongoing manipulation of markets and political events, including the alleged influence over Ukraine and broader global strategies. The dialogue emphasizes that the contended system operates beyond allegiance to any single country.

The conversation discusses how the Dulles brothers—John Foster Dulles (head of the Department of State) and Alan Dulles (head of the CIA)—moved into the two highest unelected positions in the United States after returning from Nazi Germany and Switzerland. The speaker argues that from that point on, the State Department became a “tentacle” of an international banking cartel and that related global public-private partnerships continued until the USAID–DOJ partnership “was the first blow.” The speaker links current events to “Dulles brothers regime change operations” initiated in 1953, specifically Operation Ajax in Iran. They describe it as a playbook that has “played out till this day” and claim it was turned on America rather than serving “we the people” of the United States or any country. They characterize CIA work as part of a broader global intelligence effort involving MI6 and 5Is, and possibly Mossad, which they say protects the international banking system while producing an “endless war for profit machine.” They then outline a structure for the regime change operations: USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy were used to create chaos on the ground in Iran through uprisings and riots, after which the regime change was pushed. The speaker adds a specific connection to business interests, saying Sullivan and Cromwell—the law firm of John Foster Dulles—represented BP Oil, and claiming Operation Ajax was about BP Oil rather than the situation in Iran presented to the public. The speaker then compares this to Guatemala, stating that Sullivan and Cromwell’s client was United Fruit, and that Alan Dulles was on the board of United Fruit. They claim Guatemala involved preventing changes to farming rules desired by Guatemala while opposing those changes by United Fruit. The speaker asserts there have been about 90 regime change operations to date, culminating—according to them—in a regime change playbook applied to the United States after Donald Trump won in 2016, and they say the United States remains in that “color revolution” to the present.

Every government in the world is controlled by a secret government that manipulates everything. The president, prime minister, and other leaders are just puppets. They control armies, nations, and all the money in the world. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers are part of this secret government, and anyone who made money quickly must be involved too. Even Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, Instagram, and Netflix were created for their manipulation. They designed World War I and II, control the Reserve, NASA, and the CIA. The Twin Towers attack was part of their agenda to go to Afghanistan. Israel was built by the Freemasons and Zionists, with the approval of the United Nations, which is actually a terror organization created by the new world order.

The discussion argues that Western European support for Ukraine in a war with Russia reflects elite efforts to control their own populations rather than protect countries from Soviet or Russian influence. Corruption in Zelensky’s Ukraine is cited as an example of how elites maintain control. The speakers claim that leaders who prioritize nationalism—using national resources to enrich their people—are targeted. Libya is presented as an example: Muammar Gaddafi is described as caring about Libyans and Africans generally, but being assassinated for defying the central banking system and relying on gold in connection with oil. Venezuela is described as having a similar pattern, where nationalistic resource-use leads to being killed or overthrown. The transcript then links these outcomes to “Gladio networks” and intelligence agencies that allegedly deploy against such leaders. Patrice Lumumba is offered as a historical case. In the early 1960s, after the Congo’s first freedom from Belgium and Lumumba’s election as prime minister, Lumumba is said to have sought a deal to provide the United States with Congo uranium previously directed to Belgium, while using the portion that would have gone to Belgium to enrich Congolese society. The claim continues that President Dwight D. Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon would not meet with him, but the secretary of state did, rejecting the request to bypass Belgium. According to the account, the refusal meant the Congo would receive “the same arrangement” as before, described as essentially nothing for building schools and hospitals. Lumumba is said to have refused to honor that deal and to have indicated that the Soviet Union would be interested in the uranium, after which he was murdered. The transcript attributes Lumumba’s killing to “Operation Gladio Elements” controlled by Otto Skorzeny, identified as a Nazi, working under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence and the BND. The speakers conclude that any prime minister or president who “stands up for their country” is portrayed as a target of an international syndicate seeking control of the world’s resources.

Afshin Ratansi hosts *Going Underground* from the UAE, saying that tomorrow Donald Trump will host Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, while Ratansi claims Gaza has been called out as genocide by the UK, U.S., and EU and that Saudi Arabia will not normalize relations with Israel. Ratansi connects this to the anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s assassination, referencing Charlie Hirsch’s *Samson Option* and claiming Kennedy tried to push Israel to open its Dimona nuclear weapons reactor for inspection while a separate clandestine apparatus, Operation Gladio, was already operating. Ratansi describes Gladio as NATO’s clandestine terrorism network run with the CIA and MI6, allegedly used to stage mass-murder atrocities blamed on the left to block legitimate parties in Cold War Europe and oppose Washington in the Global South, and claims Gladio “never truly ended.” Ratansi introduces Colonel Roxantana Watkins, a 30-year U.S. Air Force veteran who says she traced Cold War covert structures and believes they still shape the world. Watkins explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO and required NATO-aligned organizations to sign secret agreements to create stay-behind units in each country. She says the U.S. is a NATO country too and asks where its Gladio units were. She claims Gladio was used “everywhere,” including Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, Korea before the Korean War, and Vietnam “by the French.” Watkins says Gladio is a generic term and that actual programs had different names in each country—for example, Portugal’s “Jinter Press” and Turkey’s “Gray Wolves,” with Italy being the only country she says conducted an in-depth study that revealed the program existed under the name “Gladio.” Ratansi says Italy had the largest Communist Party in Europe after 1945 and that fake atrocities at railway stations discredited the left. Watkins agrees and says communism became a “boogeyman” attributed to the Soviet Union, while declassified CIA documents she cites discuss labor efforts assigned to the left. She says she stopped using “left and right” because it has no use in modern language, describing a model in which workers’ rights were abolished under Mussolini while labor organizing occurred alongside international corporations. She claims the National Cash Register took over transactions in Italy during Mussolini, and that James Jesus Angleton—father of CIA official James Angleton—was tied to the franchise owner, which she says enabled an intelligence network to control finances. Watkins says the system is orchestrated around “the international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling societies so they are not democratic. She links this to assassinations and overthrows when leaders become nationalistic and rely on resources to enrich their own people, citing Omar Gaddafi’s assassination and Venezuela’s situation. She then narrates the case of Patrice Lumumba in the early 1960s Congo, alleging Eisenhower and Nixon refused to meet him and that Belgium-linked arrangements would block Congo from enriching itself, leading Lumumba to refuse the deal and prompting his murder by “Operation Gladio Elements” controlled by Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence, the BND. Watkins argues that any prime minister or president “that stands up for their country” becomes a target. In response to whether Gladio aligned with Israeli interests, Watkins claims James Angleton sat at the Mossad desk in the CIA and at the Vatican’s desk, asserting that a “strategy of tension” governs Gladio, tracing it to the late 1800s with the Fabian Society and the idea of creating “left and right” camps to control people. She claims Israel is a strategy of tension concept controlling the Middle East, and says Taiwan was a pivotal friction point in Asia. Watkins says covert operations are funded with drug networks, citing Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan as controlling over 80% of the opium trade in Asia, and describes Paul Helliwell’s alleged role in creating Castle Bank and using front companies for property purchases in Central Florida. She also claims the UK MI6 helped set up Colombia as part of the “crystal triangle” and that London set up Israel. Ratansi asks Watkins about Watkins’ reaction to the live-streamed assassination of Charlie Kirk. Watkins says Kirk’s persona encouraged people to talk to each other across divisions and that the apparatus “cannot have” that. She says the current Gladio rests on student youth movements worldwide and references “Optor in Serbia,” student movements, and George Soros funding, claiming college-age levels include recruiting foot soldiers for Mossad, MI6, and CIA. She compares it to FBI assassinating Fred Hampton after he built the “Rainbow Coalition,” saying authorities do not want people to come together. Ratansi raises poverty and opposition to Israel, including polls after Gaza and a SNAP pause during a government shutdown, and asks what happens if people rebel. Watkins responds that she argues the “42 million” figure is exaggerated and that the strategy includes cutting off funding so people rise up, using both conditions for radicals to evolve and “planned, targeted radicalizations.” She says during the shutdown she was surprised there was not a false flag to generate opposition, and claims Venezuela had multiple false-flag-style attempts in 2019 and 2020 that failed. Watkins says she tracked over 400 attempts to overthrow governments and documented 90 successful coups. Ratansi asks about the Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether they would shock the public enough to overthrow oligarchic power. Watkins claims blackmail is “the grease” that makes operations work and says people like Jeffrey Epstein were part of enabling leverage, describing blackmail networks operating globally and citing examples involving underage videos and suicides after exposure. Ratansi asks whether Israeli power over the Trump administration is as strong as during the Biden administration. Watkins says Trump publicly called out Mary Madelson as funding various efforts and that Israel comes up frequently in Gladio research. She cites claims that the IDF created a one-year school for drug-network managers in Latin America and that Israel acted as a “cutout” for Reagan-era missile and weapons transfers, as well as involvement related to diamond mining in Africa despite Israel not owning diamond mines. She concludes that it is “very troubling” anytime Israeli support backs a politician, saying it implies significant pull over funding. Ratansi ends the show with condolences for people affected by what he calls ongoing UK-U.S. “armed genocide” across Palestine, and says the program will return on Saturday.

Speaker 0 says Western European populations support what he calls a “suicidal war on Russia through Ukraine” because elites in Zelensky’s Ukraine use corruption to maintain control over their population, rather than protecting countries from Russia or the Soviet Union. He adds that the elites aim to protect societies from becoming democratic. Speaker 1 agrees and frames the pattern as one where leaders who prioritize national interest are eliminated. He cites Libya as an example, saying Muammar Gaddafi cared about Libyans and Africans, but was assassinated for defying the central banking system and relying on gold with his own oil. He then says Venezuela today follows a similar pattern, where becoming nationalist and enriching one’s people leads to being killed or overthrown. Speaker 1 describes the mechanism as “Gladio networks” and intelligence agencies deploying operations against leaders. He recounts the Congo in the early 1960s after independence from Belgium, when Patrice Lumumba was elected prime minister. He says Lumumba approached the United States with a proposal to give the uranium that had been allocated to Belgium, but to use the portion going to Belgium to enrich Congolese people. He states that President Dwight D. Eisenhower would not meet with Lumumba and that Vice President Richard Nixon would not meet with him; Lumumba instead met with the secretary of state, who told him that he could not cut out Belgium and that Congo would receive the same arrangement as before, providing essentially nothing for building schools and hospitals. Speaker 1 says Lumumba then refused the deal, and that the Soviet Union would have been interested in uranium. Speaker 1 concludes that Lumumba was murdered by Operation Gladio elements controlled by Otto Skorzeny, described as Nazi, under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence, the BND. He ends by saying that any prime minister or president who “stands up for their country” is targeted by an “international syndicate” seeking to control the world’s resources.

Every government in the world is controlled by a secret government that runs everything. The president, prime minister, and other leaders are just puppets. They control armies, nations, and all the money in the world. The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are the richest families and anyone who made money quickly must be part of this secret group. Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, Instagram, Netflix, and other big companies were created for their manipulation. They designed World War I and II, control the missile reserve, NASA, CIA, and were behind the assassination of JFK. The Twin Towers attack was part of their agenda to go to Afghanistan. Israel was built by Freemasons and Zionists, and the United Nations approved its declaration. All the founders of Israel are Freemasons.

Israel was knee-deep in the JFK assassination. The Mossad is about having information on the United States. The payoff for the assassination was that Israel wanted a bomb. They asked Eisenhower, who told them no. Then they asked Kennedy, who also refused and demanded to inspect their nuclear program. When LBJ came in, some uranium went missing in Pennsylvania, which helped Israel start their nuclear program. The Mossad trained the four Arabs to take the planes over and run them in the building on 9/11, which led to the Patriot Act. All of this is connected to current events with Jeffrey Epstein and now Diddy. The JFK assassination goes back to the root cause which was that General Groves wanted to nuke China and Russia.

Dialogue centers on US‑Israel intelligence ties. "The CIA has never run counter to a Mossad operation. It's worked in tandem with them at times." They discuss coups: Guatemala "they were using Guatemala as a base for human trafficking as well," Chile under Pinochet with "labs there for the chemical weapons," and "Ari Ben Menachio was the guy that was making some of these deals." Israel sought "various chemicals for its nuclear program because, you know, they had to resort to South Africa as well," aided by Central America "blessed with natural resources" and "lab access." "The Golden Triangle, and it was Henry Kissinger that was overseeing that." Truman faced pressure: "I had to give up. I had to agree to this two state," and "the Zionist gangs then, whether it was, of course, Lehi Stern gang, Haganah, Ergon, etcetera, they would have killed him."

The “myth of the Holocaust” is described as being interpreted in a way that gives “the tiny hats” permission to maintain “international murder squads” and “assassins all across the world,” including against “the enemies of the tiny hats.” The transcript frames this as a claim about how this interpretation is used to justify actions taken globally, not limited by any particular set of targets, and it includes the idea of striking beyond the immediate group’s opponents. The speaker also states that “Who else do they use?” and answers that “they use this,” followed by the claim that they “use the intelligence,” and then “use these three-letter agencies against the people.” The “three-letter agencies” are presented as tools used to carry out this overall pattern, and the transcript emphasizes that the intelligence apparatus and those agencies are used “against the people.” Another central point in the transcript is that “the tiny hats treat the American goyim like their cattle.” This is presented as a specific example of how the speaker characterizes the treatment of Americans (“American goyim”) by the “tiny hats,” portraying it as dehumanizing and exploitative, and using the “cattle” comparison to describe the relationship. The speaker then adds a reported instance from military experience: “Marines soon found this out in Lebanon.” In that Lebanon scenario, the transcript claims that “the tiny hat soldiers routinely threaten them” and “offensively cut them off.” This is used as concrete supporting detail within the narrative, indicating that the behavior described earlier is said to have been observed in that location by Marines. Finally, the speaker suggests a direction for further work: “Something to kind of look into for books, you know?” This is presented as an encouragement to investigate these themes and events in written form, tying the earlier claims—about the Holocaust myth interpretation, international murder squads and assassins, use of intelligence and three-letter agencies, treatment of American goyim, and the reported Lebanon experience involving Marines—into a subject matter that the speaker suggests could be explored in books.

I've spent the last two years researching Operation Gladio, a covert program orchestrated by NATO, MI6, and the CIA, involving numerous coups and dark operations. This includes the CIA's extensive funding of covert wars without congressional approval, resulting in countless deaths under the guise of national security. Key texts like Anthony Sutton's work on the Bolshevik Revolution and Danielle Ganzer's "NATO's Secret Armies" reveal how these operations were framed as anti-communism but were actually used for domestic terrorism. The strategy involves creating division between left and right to distract from the theft of resources. Understanding Gladio is crucial to addressing these issues, and I advocate for dismantling the CIA to initiate change. More insights from my research will follow.

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Colonel Rob Manus, a retired Air Force officer, discusses Operation Gladio, a covert network established during the Cold War to resist potential Soviet invasion and prevent the spread of communism in Western Europe. Gladio recruited spies, soldiers, and assets, establishing secret underground bases across Europe. However, Gladio's activities extended beyond defense, often blurring the lines between covert action and political manipulation. The revelation of Gladio's existence in the 1990s shook public trust in governments and institutions. Today, Gladio's legacy raises questions about the balance between security and individual freedoms, the role of secrecy in governments, and the enduring influence of the Cold War.

Speaker 0: Take this in and understand what we’re actually dealing with. Many views exist—from Trump being a pedophile protecting pedophile buddies, to Israel infiltration and cover-ups, to it being a Democrat hoax. The reality, as described here, is that there is a supranational global cabal that has operated for nearly a hundred years, using money laundering, blackmail, drug trafficking, human trafficking, and other nefarious operations to fund and overthrow countries, serving as the shadow power of the world. We can see who these people are, their intentions, and the outcomes of their policies, and they are still being shoehorned into the most important positions in the world specifically because they’re part of this cabal. Main players mentioned include Larry Summers, who, per Epstein documents, was named executor of Jeffrey Epstein’s estate after his death. The money Epstein received from Les Wexner and others to create a starting fund and build a reputation as a financier is said to be returning to the coffers of Larry Summers, seen as part of this operation. The analogy is that this operation is like a corporation with Epstein as a brand under an umbrella, where if one asset (like Irish Spring) fails, its resources are absorbed back into the wider corporate structure. Summers, formerly Treasury Secretary, who helped destroy Glass-Steagall and contributed to the 2008 market crash dynamics, is said to have his bailout-money influence guided by Larry Fink at BlackRock. Summers, who was head of Harvard and later appointed to OpenAI’s board, is linked to the governance of the AI company behind ChatGPT. Larry Ellison is described as corresponding with Epstein and Ehud Barak (former Israeli prime minister) about which politicians serve their interests, including arranging a meeting between Marco Rubio and Tony Blair due to shared interests in this cabal. Epstein is depicted as a central, manipulative figure involved in selling weapons from Israel, meddling in elections, and influencing universities in Russia, raising questions about his influence and reach. The speaker emphasizes Epstein’s reach across political and corporate spheres and the question of his power, asking how such influence is possible. Speaker 1: The question is, how do you go about that? Speaker 0: He didn’t even go to school for trading; it’s all fabricated. He is a spymaster and a kingpin in a mafia. This group, including Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein, Larry Summers, Larry Ellison, Donald Trump (at this point), is part or perhaps the managing structure of the same organization discussed in the Eagle two documents from the 1960s, where the CIA sought autonomy from Congress by creating its own income streams, including drug trafficking in Vietnam. The opioid and drug-running links are tied to Iran-Contra, with George H. W. Bush involved in opium trade and the drug-running networks. Bill Gates and other figures are alleged to have involved in cover-ups during CIA-driven operations in South America, with Gary Webb’s Dark Alliance cited as exposing such networks. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, when Bill was governor of Arkansas, allegedly helped run headquarters in Mina for flights to and from Colombia, spreading drugs across the United States. The assertion is that the same group runs drugs, rigs elections, and is involved in various crises, including alleged connections to COVID-19, Russiagate, 9/11, and the assassination of Charlie Kirk, forming a pattern of the last decades of upheaval in America. The discussion moves toward Epstein’s network and the sources of his money, with emails revealing connections, against a backdrop of broad search for Trump and the prevalence of unconfirmed, baseless anonymous claims. The core claim is that the true representation is the “new world order” and a banking-based intelligence network where intelligence agencies originated from banks. The CIA’s founding from the OSS is tied to MI6, which allegedly drew on the Rothschild banking intelligence, tying the CIA, MI6, and banking elites together. The speaker concludes that the same names—running drugs, stealing elections, burning down skyscrapers, and flying airplanes—appear repeatedly, linking DEI, ESG, white discrimination claims, and Epstein to the same global web.

I outline the speaker’s central claims about George Soros, the CIA, and global political influence. The speaker contends that George Soros has been one of the CIA’s most valuable private assets for over forty years, acting as the civilian, deniable funding arm of American regime-change operations worldwide. Because of this, Soros is not only allowed in the United States but protected there, enabling him to operate with impunity, which the speaker says explains his arrogance and continued influence. The speaker traces a pattern of Soros-backed “color revolutions” starting with Serbia in 2000, refined in Georgia in 2003, Ukraine in 2004, and the Arab Spring in 2011. They assert that logos for USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and the Open Society Foundations appear in all these cases, framing Soros as central to these movements. According to the speaker, the Arab Spring served as a trial run for Europe’s migrant crisis. They claim that in 2011 the CIA and Soros turned that playbook on Libya and Syria. Gaddafi allegedly warned in March 2011 that removing him would unleash millions to flood Europe from Africa; eight months later, Gaddafi was dead, Libya descended into chaos, and migrant waves began as predicted. By 2015–2016, the speaker asserts, battle-hardened jihadists and economic migrants were crossing the Mediterranean with iPhones, prepaid cards, and Twitter guides written in Arabic, described as the same social media mobilization tactics used in Kyiv and Tahrir Square. Wayne Madsen is cited as having called this pattern out in 2015, described by the speaker as a deliberate CIA social-engineering operation to fracture Europe from within, applying the same playbook to new targets. The speaker then asserts that the United States has been subject to this strategy from 2020 to the present, pointing to the summer riots of 2020 as an example. The claim continues that Soros’s Open Society Foundations donated at least $33,000,000 to groups that organized and sustained the 2020 riots, and that Soros-backed NGOs provided lawyers, maps, and logistics for the southern border caravans, as well as funding to influence police departments and district attorneys in major cities, effectively helping to elect them. The speaker argues that Soros is implementing the color-revolution playbook “on us now,” with the target being ordinary Americans rather than foreign nations. A historical reference is made to JFK, who allegedly spoke of splintering the CIA after the Bay of Pigs betrayal, a chance JFK did not realize, leaving the world the speaker claims the CIA built. The speaker notes that Hungary, a country of 9 million, has passed Stop Soros laws and expelled his operations, asking why the United States cannot do the same, and suggests finishing what JFK started.

Ashwin Rutansi hosts Going Underground, opening with a claim that Dubai was hit harder by Iranian retaliation than anywhere else in the region outside Israel, and noting this broadcast marks 73 years since the CIA’s MKUltra program. He frames the USA and what it represents as a malign influence, and argues the US propaganda system has failed to spin defeats in multiple wars, including the Iran conflict. He says the world recognizes Israel’s genocide in Gaza despite NATO attempts to shield it, and notes that US public opinion shows disapproval of Israel. Netanyahu is accused of tightly controlling the media and cracking down on protests. Rutansi then welcomes Avram Berg (Israel’s former president, speaker in the Knesset, professor at NYU Abu Dhabi and Notre Dame Jerusalem) who speaks from Jerusalem. The discussion concentrates on the power dynamic between Netanyahu and Trump, and whether Netanyahu was surprised by Trump’s ceasefire declaration, plus how Netanyahu might retaliate if the ceasefire were sabotaged. Speaker 1 (Avram Berg) characterizes the situation as highly serious and delicate. He suggests the war’s origins and triggers are unclear, describing a “divorce” in the relationship between Trump and Israel: Trump’s ceasefire move is seen as coordinated or at least not fully aligned with Israel. Berg notes Netanyahu has not publicly spoken yet, and might frame the ceasefire as coordinated with him, but he views the immediate outcome as neither side having real winners and sees Iran as having survived strongly. He suggests China is rising in the background. Rutansi asks how secure Netanyahu is if the ceasefire persisted, recalling Israel’s aggressive actions in Lebanon after Trump’s ceasefire announcement and Trump’s retreat from conditions. Berg replies that politically, Israel has an election looming; the war was a strategic move for internal politics—Israelis rally around the government during wartime—yet Netanyahu may not gain politically from this round and could face backlash in upcoming elections. Berg also argues Netanyahu’s broader agenda—weakening Iran, disarming Hezbollah, and stopping Hamas—has failed across these fronts, leaving Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran still viable or intact. The host probes whether Netanyahu needs a false flag or propaganda to counter what Trump’s supporters might claim. Berg distinguishes substance from rhetoric, noting Hezbollah in the north is a problem for Lebanon and Syria; Iran’s threat was real but not existential for Israel, and suggests diplomacy and balancing could have handled it better. Berg emphasizes that war without political settlement is wasteful and results in casualties across many sides. Rutansi notes growing global hatred of Israel, while Berg refrains from embracing Hamas/Hezbollah as liberation movements, warning against falling into such narratives. Berg acknowledges global resentment of Israel but doubts a wholesale shift in allegiance toward Hamas or Hezbollah. The host asks about Epstein-related intelligence rumors and Trump’s leverage. Berg dismisses Epstein-related conspiracy as gossip rather than serious political leverage, insisting on reasoning over sensationalism. He does acknowledge Epstein’s notoriety but rejects tying it to concrete policy influence. When the discussion turns to nuclear weapons, Berg asserts Israel’s nuclear capability remains officially unacknowledged domestically, recounting past suppression of open debate on the topic. Berg argues that Iran’s perceived threats and regional rivalries push towards deterrence and urges a Middle East no-weapon agreement to reduce risk. He contends the broader regional security architecture must discourage all nuclear powers, including Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and neighboring states, with energy collaboration coupled with non-proliferation. On whether Netanyahu would use a nuclear weapon to stay out of jail, Berg says no, arguing the strategic logic of nuclear use deters first use and that leaders know once a nuclear device is used, it invites retaliation. He views Netanyahu as unlikely to employ a nuclear weapon. Rutansi closes, promising continued coverage of the Trump-Netanyahu-Iran dynamic, while Berg declines to dive into conspiracy theories, reiterating that discourse should be grounded in arguments, values, and policy.

Afshin Ratansi hosts *Going Underground* from the UAE and introduces guest Colonel Roxantana Watkins, a 30-year U.S. Air Force veteran researching Cold War covert structures. Ratansi frames the episode around Donald Trump hosting Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the Gaza situation, and connects these developments to earlier claims about nuclear inspection efforts, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and Operation Gladio—described as NATO’s clandestine “stay-behind” terror network run with CIA and MI6 that allegedly targeted mass murder to be blamed on the left and to block political opposition to Washington across Cold War Europe and the Global South. Watkins explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO: NATO-aligned organizations signed secret agreements to create “stay-behind units” in each country. She says the U.S. was a NATO country too and asks where its Gladio units were, arguing that Gladio shaped “terrorism as a controlling domestic audience.” She asserts Gladio-like methods were used beyond Europe, citing alleged use in Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, before the Korean War, and in Vietnam by the French. Watkins describes “Operation Gladio” as a generic umbrella term because each country’s program had different names; she claims Italy was the only country to conduct an in-depth study and reveal its existence, and that Italy’s program was called Gladio. She links the broader concept to false-flag operations meant to “prep a battlefield” and create allegations attributed to communism or other targets. Ratansi adds that post-1945 Italy had a large Communist Party and claims fake atrocities at railway stations were used to discredit the left. Watkins says “communism” functioned as a “boogeyman” attributed to the Soviet Union, pointing to declassified CIA references she describes as involving Guatemala labor efforts attributed to the left. She asserts that in Italy, workers’ rights had been abolished under Mussolini, and she claims international corporations participated in surveillance—specifically mentioning National Cash Register, and asserting that its franchise owner was connected to James Jesus Angleton, describing Angleton’s family ties. She describes the overall operation as orchestrated around an “international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling society. Watkins argues that elites maintain control by preventing democracy, using examples such as Libya under Omar Gaddafi—claimed to have been assassinated for defying a central banking system and relying on gold—and Venezuela under present-day circumstances—claimed to follow the pattern of killing or overthrowing leaders who rely on national use of resources. She describes alleged Gladio involvement in Patrice Lumumba’s assassination, including claims about Eisenhower refusing Lumumba’s requests, Nixon’s refusal, and a subsequent murder she attributes to Gladio elements controlled by Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s BND. Ratansi asks how Gladio became aligned with Israeli interests. Watkins claims James Angleton sat at a “Mossad desk” in the CIA and a Vatican desk, and she describes a “strategy of tension” originating from late-1800s Fabian Society ideas: creating “left and right” camps to control populations. She claims key nodes include Israel in the Middle East and Taiwan (Formosa) in Asia, and states covert operations were funded through drug networks, pointing to a narrative about Chiang Kai-shek and opium control. She ties funding and recruitment to CIA-linked figures and claims Israel and the UK were integral to setting up Colombia as part of a “crystal triangle,” repeating that London helped set up Israel and that this mapping controls oil. The discussion then shifts to a live-streamed assassination of Charlie Kirk. Watkins says Kirk threatened an apparatus by encouraging people to talk across divisions and claims current Gladio rests on student youth movements globally, including mention of “Optor in Serbia” and George Soros funding. She claims youths are recruited as “foot soldiers” by Mossad, MI6, and CIA, and that movements promoting unity are targeted to prevent societies from coming together. Ratansi then raises U.S. poverty and government shutdown conditions, asking what happens when people rebel. Watkins argues population figures are exaggerated and describes a strategy of tension involving cutting off funding and “planned, targeted radicalizations,” while asserting that false flags are used historically even when some attempts fail. She claims the U.S. companies want oil in Venezuela and references “over 400 attempts” to overthrow governments, with “90 successful coups” documented. Finally, Ratansi asks about Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether blackmail enables these systems. Watkins argues blackmail is “the grease” that allows the operation to function, describes Epstein as an example, and adds that each country has comparable figures. She links such networks to global travel and exposure of sexual abuse as a means of control, while noting some incidents were exposed in the UK and mentions an unnamed one-star general who allegedly killed himself after exposure. Ratansi asks whether Israeli influence over the Trump administration matches that over the Obama-era “Genocide Joe” administration, referencing PragerU and Alexis Wilkins’s lawsuit. Watkins says she finds it “intriguing” that Trump publicly called out a figure funding pro-Israel activities, but asserts the connection goes deeper, describing Israeli roles as “cutouts” in multiple covert operations involving Iran, Angola, and Africa, and claims Israel became a major diamond seller despite allegedly owning no mines. The episode closes with condolences for those affected by the alleged “UK-US” armed genocide continuing across Palestine and an announcement of the show returning on Saturday.

The speaker argues that whenever a country defends its own people, the United States asks, “Who owns the resources?” and if the answer isn’t The US, a coup follows. The claim is that over 80 foreign governments have been overthrown or destabilized by the United States, and that most of them weren’t dictatorships, but democratically elected governments that threatened US corporate profits. The described playbook involves the CIA funding opposition groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda, planting stories in the media, bribing generals, arming rebels, or collapsing a country’s economy, with the coup replacing the leader with a pro-US dictatorship. The overarching assertion is that this is not about democracy but about power and control. Key historical examples cited include: - Iran in 1953: Mosaddegh attempted to nationalize oil; the CIA launched Operation Ajax, orchestrated protests, paid off politicians, and installed the Shah, resulting in twenty-five years of dictatorship and torture under US protection. - Guatemala in 1954: President Arbenz redistributed land from the United Fruit Company, a US corporation; the CIA branded him a communist, conducted a coup, and Guatemala descended into a civil war with over 200,000 deaths. - Chile in 1973: Allende was overthrown in a US-backed military coup, and Pinochet’s regime tortured and killed thousands after Allende’s attempts to nationalize copper. - Congo in 1961: Lumumba sought African control of African resources; the CIA helped orchestrate his assassination and installed a brutal dictator who was supported for decades. The speaker adds that there are “dozens of others” beyond these cases, including Haiti, Iraq, Libya, Nicaragua, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, Bolivia, and beyond, arguing that the motive is not fighting tyranny but profits and control. When a country attempts to exit the system or nationalize resources to reduce inequality, they threaten profits and the idea that another world is possible, so the CIA sabotages such efforts to prevent successful example-making, such as Libya. The conclusion is that many nations don’t trust the United States because “we’ve been the villains throughout most of our history.” The speaker invites readers to comment to receive a “forbidden reading list” of books and documentaries that “they never wanted you to find.”

Afshin Ratansi introduces an upcoming meeting between Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, linking it to Saudi Arabia’s stance on Gaza and refusal to normalize relations with Israel. Ratansi says the anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s assassination is connected to a claim that Kennedy, as described by Cy Hirsch in *The Samson Option*, tried to push Israel to allow inspection of its Dimona nuclear reactor while “another secretive apparatus” allegedly operated in parallel, Operation Gladio—described as NATO’s clandestine terrorism network run with the CIA and MI6—used to stage mass atrocities blamed on the left to block legitimate political parties in Cold War Europe and oppose Washington’s agenda in the Global South. Ratansi also frames Charlie Kirk and broader grassroots movements as relevant to these Cold War covert structures. Colonel Roxantana Watkins says Operation Gladio ran “out of NATO” and that NATO-aligned organizations signed secret agreements to create “stay-behind” Gladio units in their countries. She argues that Gladio was used “everywhere,” not only Europe, and cites claims of use in Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, in Korea before the Korean War, and in Vietnam by the French. She describes Operation Gladio as a generic term because each country’s program had different names, such as a Jinter Press in Portugal and the Gray Wolves in Turkey, while she says Italy did an in-depth study and revealed its program called Gladio. Watkins connects Gladio to false flags and says its activities were used to “prep a battlefield” with operatives on the ground. Ratansi adds that Italy had a large Communist Party after 1945 and claims that fake atrocities at railway stations were used to discredit the left. Watkins responds by saying “communism” was turned into a boogeyman attributed to the Soviet Union, and she points to declassified CIA documents she says show the Soviet Union label masking other topics such as labor efforts. She claims Mussolini-era Italy abolished workers’ rights, and she describes labor organizing as tied to international corporations, including the National Cash Register taking over transactions in Italy. She says the franchise owner was James Jesus Angleton’s father and describes this as enabling an intelligence network tied to finances. Watkins argues that elites can control populations, which she says explains Western European backing for the war on Russia through Ukraine. She illustrates the pattern with examples including Libya, Venezuela, and the Congo. She claims Muammar Gaddafi was assassinated after defying the central banking system and relying on gold, and she claims Venezuela’s leaders are overthrown or killed when nationalistic resource enrichment challenges central arrangements. She describes Patrice Lumumba’s attempt to renegotiate uranium arrangements after Belgium’s colonial administration and says he was murdered by Operation Gladio elements associated with Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence (BND). She says “every prime minister [or] president” who stands up for their country is a target of an “international syndicate” seeking control of the world’s resources. Ratansi asks how Gladio could have become aligned with Israeli interests. Watkins claims James Jesus Angleton sat at the “Mossad desk” in the CIA and at the Vatican’s desk. She describes “the strategy of tension” as originating from late-1800s Fabian Society ideas, saying it aims to control people by creating “left and right” camps, with Israel framed as a focal point. She claims covert operations are funded through drug networks and cites Taiwan/“Formosa,” alleging Chiang Kai-shek controlled most opium trade in Asia and connected figures she says were involved in OSS/CIA operations and other institutions. In part two, Ratansi asks what Watkins thought when Charlie Kirk was assassinated on video. Watkins says the key risk to this apparatus is “us talking to each other,” and she claims Gladio rests on student youth movements, citing mechanisms like “Optor” in Serbia and George Soros funding. She says college-age recruitment is where Mossad, MI6, and CIA recruit “foot soldiers,” and she describes Charlie Kirk as an Achilles heel because she says he encouraged cross-group conversation. She also compares this to Fred Hampton and the FBI assassinating him, saying large movements that unite people are targeted. Ratansi raises poverty and hunger figures, SNAP disruptions during a government shutdown, and asks what happens when people rebel. Watkins argues numbers like “42 million” are exaggerated and says part of the strategy is to cut funding to prevent uprisings, including “planned, targeted radicalizations.” She says the shutdown period was surprising because she did not see a false flag used then, and she references Venezuela attempts in 2019–2020 that she says failed, attributing failure to U.S. companies wanting oil. When asked about Jeffrey Epstein revelations, Watkins describes Gladio-style operations as requiring “grease” and says she views blackmail as enabling the machinery. She claims Epstein was an example of that blackmail role and mentions other alleged blackmail operations across countries, including the UK, saying global travel and meetings provide opportunities for compromising imagery and coercion. Ratansi concludes by asking whether Israeli influence is as strong under Trump as it was under the previous administration. Watkins says Israel’s role repeatedly appears in Gladio research and claims Israel has acted as a “cutout” for U.S. policy in sending missiles and weapons, including in Iran-related and Angola-related contexts. She says Israel became a major diamond seller “when they don’t own a single diamond mine,” and she ends by saying it is “very troubling” to have Israeli support for politicians because she says Israel has pull over funding.