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Speaker 0: The Israelites is not Israel. And as Tony and I are both Catholic, and so when we talk about the Israelites that are talked about in the Bible, there is a clear distinction between this prophecy about the Israelites and the government of Israel and white Europeans settling into the holy land. Mhmm. And so when we say this, like, the Israelites, the Israelites in the bible are actually the Palestinian people who have been there for thousands of years, not the white European from Ukraine or Poland or America. The Israelites are the people who were indigenous to that land that lived there for thousands of years, and those are not the people who have Trump wrapped around his finger. It's this, like, settler colonial white Europeans that have settled into the land of the actual Israelites that have either blackmailed him or cut deals with him financially. I mean, we go back to greed. Right? Greed is always, like, a big factor decisions. So Trump, in all senses, is wrapped in intertwined with this government and the Zionist regime and the Rothschilds and the Vanderbilts and the 13 rich families that control the world, basically. Right.

To restore balance between the United States and Israel, the speaker says we must get our theology right. This is not a message aimed at Israelis or Jews; it targets Christians, the largest group of Israel supporters in the United States. He calls the belief that God favors some people by DNA 'the oldest of the Christian heresies' and says, 'The chosen people are people who choose Jesus.' He declares, 'That is not Christianity. It is heresy.' He warns that if America pulls the plug on Israel, god will pull the plug on us, and, 'God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu.' He argues that 'The Christian message is universal' and that, 'If you find anyone leveraging the message of Jesus to justify the killing of innocents, that person is committing heresy.'

The discussion centers on the way lawmakers reference religion in foreign policy and whether that approach is effective. Speaker 0 asks the audience how many think a respected lawmaker like Ted Cruz uses the Bible to justify aid to Israel, even if he doesn’t know the verse, and whether that is the best approach. Speaker 1 responds by referencing Ted Cruz’s Genesis twelve three, and notes that many find that off-putting when contrasted with the New Testament, specifically Paul’s writings about the new flesh not being the same as the people in the old covenant. Speaker 1 asks, “Yes. Romans nine?” and agrees with the sentiment. Speaker 0 then asks Speaker 1 if they are Catholic, to which Speaker 1 replies that they are converting Catholic from Judaism, revealing that they are ethnically Jewish. The exchange confirms Speaker 1’s Jewish ethnicity. Speaker 0 brings up concerns about APAC, asking if Speaker 1 has concerns about APAC. Speaker 1 confirms that they do. Speaker 0 notes that some people tell them that criticizing APAC equates to being anti-Semitic, asking whether this is true. Speaker 1 calls that notion ridiculous and says it’s great to have concern for one’s country. The conversation shifts to APAC’s influence. Speaker 0 presents a characterization (as a possible summary of Speaker 1’s view) that APAC represents a form of prioritization that cuts in line, away from the American people. Speaker 0 asks whether this is a fair summary. Speaker 1 answers affirmatively, “100%.” Finally, they articulate the core idea: the public votes and are citizens, but a separate group is described as receiving higher priority for whatever reasons. Speaker 1’s agreement underscores a shared concern that APAC’s influence creates a prioritization that bypasses the ordinary American electorate.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. And those two those two things beautifully coexisted." "Exactly. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

The speaker argues that “Christians evangelists here in America, which almost all of them are Republicans, they probably all gonna vote for Trump” and that they are “very poor Israel.” He says, without Christianity, the U.S. has little to do with Israel, noting “The only things they are helping us is because of religion reason.” He contends they’re “not doing it for us. They are doing it only for themselves.” He warns, “Make no mistake. They all believe that once we will go back to the holy land and JC Penny will show up to redeem the world, he will put us all to be burned in hell,” because “we've never accepted him, and we won't accept him.” He questions why “a lot of the people who made Aliyah, it's Christian money,” adding “They get hundreds of millions of dollars donation from them.” He says “the Messiah would come,” but “They just have the wrong identity of the Messiah. That's it. They believe that it's actually JC.” “They would dump all the Christian symbols you know well because it would be so obvious that it's all fake. Mhmm. Rabbi Thay”

Speaker 0 states their support for Israel stems from a biblical teaching: those who bless Israel will be blessed. Speaker 1 questions if this refers to the modern government of Israel. Speaker 0 clarifies the Bible refers to the nation of Israel. Speaker 1 asks for a definition of Israel, questioning if it means the current political entity run by Benjamin Netanyahu, and Speaker 0 confirms that it does. Speaker 1 suggests the Genesis verse refers to the Jewish people, but Speaker 0 disagrees. Speaker 1 points out Speaker 0 cannot cite the exact scripture. Speaker 0 says they are explaining their personal motivation, not saying all Christians must support the modern state of Israel. Speaker 1 summarizes Speaker 0's position as being based on a Bible verse they cannot locate.

Republicans often feel pressured by APAC to vote a certain way, with each member having an "APAC person" influencing them. APAC arranges trips to Israel for congressmen, but not all have gone. Despite personal love for Israel, they differentiate between the people and the government. The speaker enjoys visiting Israel with family but emphasizes not taking orders from its government.

Hello, I'm Ted Pike, and this is my wife, Alain. Today, we discuss the powerful influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Congress, which secures nearly $5 billion annually for Israel. Elected officials avoid criticizing Israel due to fear of being labeled anti-Semitic, a serious political risk. The media, largely controlled by Jewish interests, reinforces this narrative, discouraging any dissent against Israel. As a result, politicians are constrained by political correctness regarding Israel's actions and the ongoing aid. This situation arises from deep-rooted religious beliefs within Christianity that have fostered a strong bond with Israel, blinding many to the suffering of Palestinians.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "You never you never once said, hey, I'm I'm out on America. On America's right." "And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government."

Discussion questions whether a lawmaker like Ted Cruz uses the Bible to justify aid to Israel and whether he knows the verse. The speaker cites: "Ted Cruz's Genesis twelve three." They reference "the New Testament" and "the writings of Paul where he talks about how that the new flesh is not the same as the people in the old covenant. The new flesh is everybody's." "Romans nine?" A participant "Ethnically Jewish" and "Converting Catholic from Judaism" asks: "Are you Catholic?" and says they have concerns about APAC. "I'm told that by some people Mhmm. That if I criticize APAC, I'm anti Semitic." Another adds: "I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. I I feel like it's great to have a concern for your country." They ask: "Do you think that the that APAC represents Again, I'm not saying I believe this, but I think this is what you're saying, that it represents a kind of cutting in line of prioritization away from the American people." "100%."

I think Bibi is completely evil and completely destructive, "hurting The United States" and "destroying his own country" and I think he imperils the world. They believe they're gonna try and blow up Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount to "build a third temple," risking "global war." They ask, "What's Lindsey Graham's excuse?" and "What's Ted Cruz's excuse?" They quote Cruz: "I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel." I came into congress with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate. "I've worked every day to do that." "Really? Ted, how did you get on a platform ... my main goal is to help another country? This is deranged. Where's our self respect? I don't want you to think about it. You know, I'm not interested. I'm very interested in how American leaders could betray their own country. That enrages me."

"Israel is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues." "Because APAC are Americans, therefore, they can legally donate to members of congress and senators." "Freshman, member of congress, or first year in congress, they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August." "That's Dems the and Republicans or just Republicans? They take both of them. Yes." "So they take them on this trip to Israel." "They wear the, kippah." "They and even though they're Christians. They're they're not Jewish, but yet they're adorning, Jewish attire, and they're at these Jewish, religious sites." "The Israeli government is secular." "This is not the biblical Israel." "It is the secular government of Israel."

The speaker describes meeting with prime minister Netanyahu as part of a Christian conservative Gen Z focus group, noting that Netanyahu listened attentively and heard their concerns. "APAC is not an Israeli organization. It has no ties whatsoever to the government of Israel. It's not foreign lobbying." "APAC, like, makes up less than 5% of the lobbying." "Israel is not offering to fund anybody. They're not trying to get involved in American political advocacy groups. That has never happened." "If you're about this, who you should be concerned about is Qatar because they are doing this." "Many of these protests slash riots that you see destroying our cities, a lot of that has foreign funding from Qatar." "Netanyahu's first address to congress was to say that they didn't want aid."

Speaker argues that 'you and the Likud party are cut from the same ideological cloth as Trump and the GOP in America.' They reference 'Charlie Kirk's assassination, who was a big mentor of mine' and say 'Evangelicals, from all my research, evangelicals are the reason that Israel has been supported in public sphere outside of just Jews.' They note 'So with Charlie's assassination and with the kind of trajectory that we see with, like, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.' They ask 'what's another game plan if we lose evangelical support for the state of Israel.' 'What's our backup plan to be strong, like outside of the diaspora?'

Jasmine Crockett is claimed to be misrepresented by critics. The discussion centers on U.S. support for Israel, with one speaker asserting Israel has a right to defend itself and noting that the United States has equipped Israel with armaments, referencing Crockett’s vote for a national security supplemental in April that underwrote Israel’s war effort. A defending speaker acknowledges voting for the supplemental and emphasizes diplomacy, describing the long-standing U.S.–Israel relationship as enduring beyond any one person and continuing “in perpetuity even after I’m gone.” The critique challenges why the U.S.–Israel relationship should be perpetual and questions Crockett’s positions, citing APAC Tracker’s claim that Crockett does not take money directly from the Israel lobby but that she votes to enable genocide in Palestine and supports censorship bills aiming to criminalize criticism of Israel. In response to digging further, a claim is presented that a receipt shows a sponsorship from the American Israel Education Foundation to Crockett for $24,000 to attend meetings with Israeli election officials and to visit the country’s holy and historical sites, accompanied by questions about why an American congresswoman would meet with Israeli election officials. The American Israel Education Foundation is described as a sister organization of APAC that handles education work, described with the phrase “education or reeducation,” which the speaker suggests may imply a troubling motive. The speaker asserts that Crockett “definitely passed with flying colors” by saying on Israel’s 70th birthday, “let’s continue to dedicate ourselves to peace and prosperity,” and notes that tweets like this are not free. There is a suggestion that if the name were blocked, it would be hard to tell whether this was Jasmine Crockett or Benjamin Netanyahu, implying a point about perceived similarities or influence. The overall thread questions Crockett’s alignment on Israel-related policy, juxtaposing formal statements of bipartisan support for Israel with claims of behind-the-scenes funding and influence.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "And those two things beautifully coexisted." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often." "Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

Speaker 0 asserts that they have never taken money from the Israel lobby and asks if Speaker 1 has. Speaker 1 clarifies that APAC raises a lot of money for him, but emphasizes that the fundraisers are individuals, not the PAC itself, meaning it’s a misnomer to say the PAC raises money. He describes APAC as an American lobby and explains that APAC stands for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. He admits APAC is not a “foreign lobby” and says its purpose is not effectively defined as a single objective. He states his own entry into Congress thirteen years ago with the goal of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate and says he has worked every day to that end. He notes that APAC is sometimes more effective than he wishes and then characterizes APAC as “a fever swamp of terrified of APAC.” Speaker 0 challenges the idea that APAC lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government, insisting that APAC lobbies for a foreign government. Speaker 1 responds that APAC is not lobbying for a foreign government; it is lobbying for a strong US–Israel relationship and for America and Israel to be closely allied. Speaker 0 maintains that APAC is lobbying for the interests of another country and reiterates that it is not true that APAC has nothing to do with the government. Speaker 0 asks about how much contact APAC leaders have with the government of Israel, and Speaker 1 acknowledges some contact, suggesting that the government of Israel is often frustrated with APAC, and asks whether they talk. He compares the situation to lobbying for more US–Mexico trade, noting that one would talk to both sides. Speaker 0 accepts that there are many countries that lobby Washington, including Israel, and expresses familiarity with how lobbying works, including knowing Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments and even being related to some. The central question for Speaker 0 is not whether foreign governments lobby the United States, but why it isn’t admitted as a common practice. He states that it’s true that many countries lobby Washington, including Israel, and asks why they aren’t registered as foreign lobbies. Speaker 1 responds that they are not registered as such.

Speaker 0 says, "powerful institutions are at play here, and there's a coordinated effort to spread this parasitic ideology," and asks, "Are you willing to name the group behind us? Because behind all these institutions, there seems to be a Cohen, a Berg, a Stein." He then asks, "What are your thoughts on the Jewish influence about on gender ideology?" Speaker 1 replies, "So you're you're Am I gonna do anything about the Jews is what you're asking me? No." Okay. Do I need to dignify that with a further response, do think?" He adds, "Or And Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do, a lot of decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border neoliberal quasi Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits." "This is a beast created by secular Jews."

I attended a TPUSA faith event expecting politics to be shaped by biblical principles, but the experience did not meet that expectation. The event opened with a speaker who immediately criticized Candace Owens, calling her evil and antisemitic, and stating that what she’s doing is evil. I wanted to leave, but security was intense—armed men were stationed all around the venue, and there was even an armed man on stage with a hand on his gun. The security presence made me uncomfortable. Inside, the speaker talked extensively about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, portraying them as evil and antisemitic. He argued that Christians should support Israel because Jesus was a Jew and Judaism underpins Christianity, while claiming that what Israel is doing is evil and corrupt. He suggested that refusing to support Israel would be anti-Semitic. I disagree with this framing, and it struck me as not aligning with what I expect from biblical politics. I also noted that the speaker referenced Charlie Kirk (though I recall it as Charlie Cook) and suggested that Kirk would not endorse the positions being discussed, referencing Kirk’s and Owens’ friendship and his past critiques of Israel. Throughout, the speaker’s preaching style resembled name-calling rather than traditional preaching. He labeled the political left as “idiots,” “freaks,” and “losers,” and spent much of the time denigrating liberals rather than offering constructive biblical guidance. This approach felt discordant with Christian teachings I associate with Jesus, who, as the speaker himself stated he loves, “ate with sinners,” including prostitutes. I felt the message was spreading hate rather than embodying the inclusive example I expect from Christian doctrine. A major concern was the impact on young attendees. Teenagers and young Christians appeared to be absorbing the message, treating this figure as a leader and a future guide for their faith, which raised alarms about further division within the Christian community. In summary, the event did not teach the biblical political perspectives I anticipated. The emphasis was on discrediting the left and on framing Israel in terms of Jewish loyalty, rather than engaging with broader Christian concerns. The speaker’s approach—name-calling of political opponents, calls for aggressive stances, and a heavy focus on left-wing critique—left me feeling that the session did not align with constructive faith-based political discussion. The speaker also touched on issues like men in women’s sports, but stated this was not the most important topic for Christians to discuss amid broader national concerns.

Speakers discuss Netanyahu’s influence: "He's using The United States, its economy, and its military power for his own ends." They note it's common but "remarkable how effective he's been at that and how contemptuous he is." "80% of Americans support us." They warn U.S. support is "tens of billions a year." "Phoebe Netanyahu is a foreigner." Concerns about Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz surface: "Ted Cruz says right into the camera, I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel." They argue antisemitism is "a dodge" and that "anti Semitism very often is a way to pass the buck. It's their fault." They contend Netanyahu is a threat—"I think that clearly they're gonna try and blow up Al Aqsa Mosque" to "build the third temple"—and ask, "Where's our self respect?" "I am way, way more angry at my leaders than I am at Netanyahu."

Speaker 0 criticizes Senator Cruz for not quoting the Bible correctly, saying, "god says that I will bless those who bless Israel," which is, "not what Genesis says," because it "says, I will bless those who bless Abraham." He notes it was "in that name that he said, this is why we have to do it," calling it "preposterous" and "sad." Speaker 1 argues the effect is to distort American politics. Referring to the Russia hysteria, he says it's wrong and illegal for a foreign government to control our politics, but now "our entire national conversation is about this tiny, totally irrelevant little country with a one great city, Jerusalem," at the behest of a foreign government who's openly saying, you don't agree with us? We're gonna censor you. He cites "the ADL, APAC" as satellites and says "congress obeys," calling it a red line.

Speaker discussion questions whether Ted Cruz uses the Bible to justify aid to Israel, noting 'Genesis twelve three' and that some see it as off putting when confronted with the New Testament, particularly Paul's writings about 'the new flesh is not the same as the people in the old covenant' and Romans nine. The dialogue reveals that the speaker is ethnically Jewish and converting Catholic, and has concerns about APAC. They mention being told that criticizing APAC could be labeled 'anti Semitic,' and 'I think it's ridiculous.' The group asks if APAC represents 'a kind of cutting in line of prioritization away from the American people,' to which the response is '100%,' followed by 'We vote. We're citizens, but a separate group gets higher priority because of whatever reasons.'