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If age verification is implemented for users aged 13 to 16, it will inherently require verifying the ages of all users accessing social media. This process raises privacy and data protection concerns for everyone involved. The distinction between age verification and age assurance is crucial, as this trial focuses on age assurance. Therefore, testing the age of younger users also means testing the age of all users, which has significant implications for data privacy. To address these concerns, we have commissioned consumer research to assess willingness and important factors related to this issue.

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Speaker 0 expresses intense anger, saying the situation “pisses me off” and calling it “a fucking piece of shit.” They react with frustration and describe the events as “wild,” emphasizing how upsetting and out-of-control it feels to them. Speaker 1 says the situation is “insane” and describes it as having happened “here in Europe.” They connect the incident to a broader argument about social media regulation. Speaker 1 claims this is part of why people like Steimer in the United Kingdom would want to ban platforms such as YouTube, X, Reddit, and other social media platforms. Speaker 1 frames the reason for the proposed bans as preventing people from encountering content like “something like this.” Speaker 1 also contrasts the platforms they mention with Bluesky. They state that, according to their claim, you “will never see something like this on blue sky,” and they present this contrast as central to the argument for banning other social media platforms. Speaker 1 repeats the intensity of their reaction by again calling it “insane,” and adds “y’all insane” as a concluding emphasis, reinforcing that they view both the incident and the implications around platform bans as highly shocking. Overall, the transcript centers on a highly emotional response to an incident said to have occurred in Europe, followed by a claim that the incident motivates proposals in the United Kingdom to ban major social media platforms (YouTube, X, Reddit, and others), based on an asserted belief that comparable content would not appear on Bluesky.

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Social media sites must be held responsible and understand their power. They speak directly to millions of people without oversight or regulation, and this has to stop. The same rule has to apply across platforms; there can't be one rule for Facebook and another for Twitter.

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The speaker discusses the lack of knowledge regarding what happens to our digital identities when creating new accounts or logging in through large platforms. To address this issue, the speaker mentions that the commission will soon propose a secure European digital identity. This identity can be trusted and used by citizens across Europe for various activities, such as paying taxes or renting bicycles. The speaker emphasizes the importance of a technology that allows individuals to control the data exchanged and its usage.

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The EU Digital Services Act and the government's electoral commission will regulate misinformation on social media platforms. The speaker believes it is important for Ireland and that the establishment of a regulator will protect children from harmful online content. When asked about the government and state institutions deciding what is true, the speaker emphasizes the value of reliable information and public service broadcasting. They welcome the appointment of a digital services commissioner. The interviewer questions if assessments have been done to prevent abuse or overuse of regulations, but the speaker reiterates the importance of combating misinformation. The interviewer criticizes the lack of a direct answer, highlighting the concern of regulating truth. The speaker again emphasizes the value of public service broadcasting without directly addressing the question.

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The tragic events in the Middle East, specifically the terrorist attacks by Hamas, have increased the stakes. The widespread dissemination of illegal content and misinformation related to these events poses a clear risk of stigmatizing certain communities, destabilizing our democratic structures, and exposing our children to violent content. The recent terrorist attacks in Arras, France, and Brussels serve as a grim reminder that the threat is real and present in Europe. With the Digital Services Act (DSA), we have a comprehensive toolbox that we must fully utilize to ensure online security and protect fundamental rights. We take this responsibility seriously and have been open and transparent with platforms about their new role and our expectations. They must adapt and adjust their systems to meet their new obligations regarding transparency, privacy, and the removal of illegal content and products.

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Social media platforms should be held responsible for their power, as they directly address millions without oversight. The same rules must apply across platforms like Facebook and Twitter. There needs to be a responsibility placed on these sites to understand their reach and influence. The current lack of regulation on these platforms must end.

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Social media sites should be held responsible for their power, as they directly address millions without oversight or regulation, and this must end. There can't be one rule for Facebook and another for Twitter; the same rule must apply to both.

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Other countries, such as the UK, Sweden, Finland, and Norway, have raised questions about gender affirming care for children. They conducted reviews and found that social transition can have significant effects on a child's psychological functioning. They emphasized the need for better information about outcomes and highlighted the lack of long-term data. While I don't know which side is correct, I understand Senator Laird's clarification of the bill. However, I have concerns about accepting gender affirmation as the appropriate approach, considering the conclusions of these countries. They are not restrictive societies, and their rejection of gender affirmative care raises doubts.

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Age verification is a normalisation of identification, the introduction of digital surveillance, and the end of privacy. It is described as giving the state and corporations excessive powers and creating more KYC honeypots. The speaker says we should fight that because it will start creeping into any centralised large social media website.

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Age assurance for minors on social media necessitates verifying the age of all users. Testing if someone is 13-16 also inherently tests if they are 16+. Therefore, universal age verification is required for social media access. This has privacy and data protection implications for all users, not just minors. Consumer research has been commissioned to examine consumer willingness regarding important aspects of this process.

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The EU Digital Services Act and the government's electoral commission will regulate misinformation on social media platforms. The speaker believes it is important for Ireland and that the establishment of a regulator will protect children from harmful online content. When asked about the government and state institutions deciding what is true, the speaker emphasizes the value of reliable information and public service broadcasting. They welcome the appointment of a digital services commissioner. However, when pressed further, the speaker fails to directly answer whether it is right for the government to regulate truth. The interviewer criticizes the lack of a clear response and questions the minister's ability to regulate truth effectively.

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Should the Judiciary Committee be concerned if European law results in the censorship of Americans? Absolutely, especially after recent events. I shared information this morning on X about a judicial ruling in Europe asserting their right to censor. We're seeing similar trends in Australia, where authorities believe they should censor the entire global Internet of disfavored information. This is very disturbing and really makes you question our alliance with Europe.

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The conversation centers on the core idea that democracy hinges on freedom of speech, but with in-depth debate about what that freedom should look like in the context of large platforms. Speaker 0 references the bedrock of democracy and notes a new policy posted yesterday titled “freedom of speech, not freedom of reach,” highlighting the tension between protecting speech and avoiding amplification of harmful or extremist content. Speaker 1, Jonathan, clarifies his stance: “I don't think it's about censorship. I believe in freedom of speech. The ADL is a civil rights organization, but I don't believe in freedom of reach.” He argues that Twitter, like other publishers, should have the ability to choose whom it privileges and who it doesn’t privilege, suggesting there should be a “lunatic fringe” kept on the fringe rather than algorithmically amplified. He lists examples such as “Russian propagandists, alt right crazy people, you know, violent anti Zionists,” implying that such content should not be algorithmically promoted. Speaker 2 asks whether this should be achieved through a free marketplace of ideas managed by private companies or through legal intervention in Washington, prompting Speaker 1 to respond that social media platforms should “simply obey the same rules of business that other publishers do.” Speaker 3 reframes the issue: it is not about limiting anyone's free speech but about giving people the largest platform in history to reach a third of the planet, noting that “Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach.” He asserts that there will always be racist, misogynist, anti-Semites, and child abusers, but argues that the goal is not to give bigots and pedophiles a free platform to amplify their views and target their victims. Speaker 4 shifts to the ADL’s operational stance, noting that they opened a center in Silicon Valley in 2017 and that the person running it will be “the next Facebook executive.” They describe having software engineers and data scientists monitoring online content and working with major platforms—Google, YouTube, Meta, Twitter, Reddit, Steam, Amazon, and others from Apple to Zoom. The speaker emphasizes ongoing collaboration with Twitter “since it was founded,” describing continuity with both “the old regime” and “the new regime,” and adds a provocative aside: “Like, I'm talking to Ivon. Bad guy.” The overall thread is a sustained effort to monitor, engage with, and influence platform policies through cross-platform collaboration while advocating for restraint in amplifying harmful content.

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Age verification is a normalization of identification. It's the introduction of digital surveillance. It's the end of privacy, and it's giving the state and corporation excessive powers and creating more KYC honeypots. The speaker thinks we should fight that because we're now going to start seeing this crippling in to any centralised, large social media website.

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TikTok was described as the “number one destroyer” of the ability to attend, focus, and develop executive function, and therefore as the “number one destroyer of human potential” because it is so widely used. The speaker said TikTok is the most addictive, noting that in their class of 35 students, each year there are one or two students who are on TikTok about six hours a day, which makes it difficult for them to do homework and prevents them from seeing friends. The speaker compared TikTok to “the fentanyl of social media,” and explained the reasoning by contrasting it with other social media. They said most social media developed around the idea of social networks or a “social graph,” with platforms like Facebook and Instagram recommending content based on people the user knows. In contrast, the speaker said TikTok was the first to disregard the social network and instead look at “micro delays” when a user pauses on a video. As an example, they said that if someone paused on an exercise video, the algorithm would then recommend dieting content, based on findings that girls who paused on exercise were interested in being thinner. The speaker also said that journalists have demonstrated this by setting up a fake account for a 13- or 14-year-old girl, after which the account would be quickly inundated with eating disorder content, including pro-anorexia material. They characterized TikTok as “magic” at sucking attention from a child’s brain. They concluded by stating that nobody should be on TikTok, and that certainly no one under age 18 should be on it.

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Speaker 0 emphasizes the difference between what he can solve for as a minister and what he can solve for as a parent, stating that those roles must remain distinct, while acknowledging the real impact on a generation that is being failed. He asserts that urgent action is required and that legislation is being considered, noting that this is no secret to anyone who has seen the news. He requests respect for his colleagues in the House of Commons, saying he does not share publicly details because the aim is to bring all parties together and to keep the issue non-partisan in the interest of protecting children. He argues that once children are protected, platforms must have a duty to act responsibly and to implement safety-by-design features. He calls for ensuring that AI chatbots and the platforms that support them are held responsibly accountable, highlighting the need for an all-of-Canada approach. He outlines that this approach should involve the federal government, provincial governments, and families, underscoring that this is an important discussion to be had over the next year. He frames the issue as one that requires collaboration across multiple levels of government and society to safeguard children in the context of AI and related platforms, and he signals that legislative and policy steps are anticipated as part of an urgent, nationwide strategy.

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Speaker 0: The speaker argues that digital ID is bad and that the government is coming for children by announcing digital ID cards for 13-year-olds. They claim this is not a good thing because children have the right to grow up in privacy, to come of age, to explore, to experiment, and to make mistakes, with everything they do logged, tracked, and documented into a device that will follow them for the rest of their life and potentially discriminate against them. They say digital ID will document things like skill reports, mental health issues, behavioral issues, accomplishments, and failures, and that having so much information about a person before adulthood would make it easy to build systems that profile people based on socioeconomic background, behavior, and psychology, determining what type of citizen they are before they have a chance at life. They posit that as a parent you raise your children with boundaries, ethics, and moral, but the government has its own ethics, morals, and boundaries. They claim the government will have the power to give a child a bus pass, a bank account, access into entertainment venues, and a work permit when they turn 16, and the government can decide what makes a child applicable for that. They ask who should raise the child— you or the state. They argue that assigning a QR code to enter a playground and another to go skateboarding normalizes surveillance as safety for children, and that future generations could be convinced to accept more surveillance and control because they have been conditioned since childhood to see it as normal. They acknowledge pushback, noting some may call the concerns exaggerated, but they insist there is no reason to think digital ID will be used ethically, and they insist digital ID is forever. They challenge the idea that the last 500 years of humanity justify the next 500 years as superior, and say the government cannot provide a solid explanation for this institutional change. They dismiss migration as “bollocks” and claim the only justification given is convenience. The core claim is that the refusal to provide a straight answer hides a motive: control, plain and simple. The speaker concludes that there is an opportunity to change history in a positive way, and that opportunity starts with individuals choosing not to comply and saying no, for the sake of their kids and future generations.

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Speaker 0 argues that anonymity on social media stands in contrast to everyday norms in their countries, where masks on streets, unlicensed cars, IDs for packages, and names when purchasing hunting weapons are standard requirements. They point out that social networks currently allow people to roam freely without linking profiles to real identities, which they say enables misinformation, hate speech, and cyber harassment by facilitating bot activity and reducing accountability for actions. They contend that such an anomaly cannot continue. In a democracy, they claim, citizens have the right to privacy, but not the right to anonymity or impunity, because anonymity and impunity would undermine social coexistence. Based on this premise, they advocate for pushing forward the principle of pseudonymity as the functioning element of social media, and for forcing all platforms to link every user account to a European digital identity wallet. With this system, citizens would still be able to use nicknames if they choose, but in the case of a crime, public authorities would be able to connect those nicknames to real people and hold them responsible. The underlying assertion is that accountability is not an obstacle to freedom of speech, but rather an essential complement to it.

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Kids are influenced by the Internet and are drawn to extremist groups like ISIS. This is a concerning trend, and we need to take action. Engaging with influential figures like Bill Gates could help address the issue. There are calls to consider restricting certain aspects of the Internet to prevent recruitment of vulnerable youth. While some argue for freedom of speech, it's crucial to recognize the dangers posed by this unrestricted access. We must find ways to protect our children from these harmful influences.

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Social media sites must be held responsible and understand their power. The speaker claims these sites speak directly to millions of people without oversight or regulation, and that "has to stop." The speaker asserts that the same rules must apply across platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Someone "has lost his privileges" and content "should be taken down."

The Rich Roll Podcast

The TRUTH About Social Media & Your Children | Jonathan Haidt X Rich Roll Podcast

Guests: Jonathan Haidt

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In this episode, Rich Roll speaks with Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at NYU, about the detrimental effects of social media on the mental health of younger generations. Haidt emphasizes that American kids now spend an average of five hours a day on social media, which is contributing to a decline in mental health, particularly among those born after 1996. He argues that the fear of missing out drives parents to give their children smartphones at an early age, which ultimately robs them of childhood experiences like play and social interaction. Haidt's latest work, *The Anxious Generation*, explores how social media alters children's development and social interactions. He notes that the mental health crisis among teens began around 2012, coinciding with the rise of smartphones and social media platforms. He identifies a significant shift in the technological environment during this period, leading to increased anxiety, depression, and self-harm among teenagers, especially girls. The conversation delves into the neurological impacts of social media on developing brains, particularly during puberty, a critical time for social and emotional development. Haidt highlights the role of algorithms and addictive features, such as the "like" button and notifications, in fragmenting attention and fostering dependency on devices. He argues that the current digital landscape is particularly harmful to girls, who are more susceptible to social comparison and emotional contagion through platforms like Instagram. Haidt proposes four foundational harms caused by social media: social deprivation, sleep deprivation, cognitive fragmentation, and addiction. He stresses the importance of limiting smartphone access for children, suggesting that no smartphones should be given before high school and no social media accounts until age 16. He advocates for phone-free schools to enhance focus and social interaction among students. The discussion also touches on the broader societal implications of social media, including the erosion of trust in institutions and the fragmentation of public discourse. Haidt expresses concern about the polarization of society and the challenges of maintaining a cohesive democracy in the face of misinformation and tribalism exacerbated by social media. Haidt believes that collective action is necessary to address these issues, urging parents to collaborate in setting boundaries for their children’s technology use. He highlights the potential for legislative action to enforce age restrictions on social media and protect children from harmful content. Haidt's message is clear: urgent action is needed to reclaim childhood and mitigate the mental health crisis facing the younger generation.

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Australia's Insane Social Media Ban

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The Australian government has introduced a bill to ban children under 16 from social media, citing concerns over its negative impact on youth. This legislation includes an age verification system and will affect platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. While 61% of Australians support the ban, critics argue it could lead to mass surveillance and privacy violations, as age verification may require biometric data. Concerns also arise that young users might migrate to less regulated platforms. The bill has passed, but its implementation remains unclear, raising questions about its effectiveness and potential loopholes.

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Reid riffs on tech journalism and the TikTok ban

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Criticism can fuel accountability, but a productive tech press also offers the path forward. The discussion centers on the reporter's role to speak truth to power while avoiding nihilistic doom. Criticizing founders and platforms is necessary, yet so is recognizing benefits like free search and the iPhone's utility. Journalism should balance negative stories with examples of good outcomes, and it must hold leaders and peers accountable without turning every issue into a caricature of harm. The conversation expands to TikTok and foreign ownership, arguing that countries regulate in similar ways to protect audiences. A baseline approach to open ecosystems is endorsed, paired with thoughtful safeguards for children, such as timing limits, content rules, and parental guidance. The goal is not blanket bans but shaping the platform to enhance positive civic discourse, mental health, and community while remaining accountable to democratic values and innovation.

The Megyn Kelly Show

A Culture of Fear, Social Media Toxicity, and America's Descent Into Stupidity, with Jonathan Haidt

Guests: Jonathan Haidt

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Megyn Kelly welcomes social psychologist Jonathan Haidt to discuss the perceived decline in American societal intelligence and communication over the past decade. Haidt, known for his works "The Righteous Mind" and "The Coddling of the American Mind," attributes this decline to the effects of social media, particularly its role in fragmenting communication and fostering polarization. He likens the current state of society to the biblical Tower of Babel, where people can no longer understand each other due to a confusion of language, exacerbated by social media dynamics. Haidt explains that since around 2014, there has been a significant shift in social interactions, particularly affecting Generation Z. He emphasizes that social media has not only changed how people communicate but has also amplified extreme voices while silencing moderates. This has led to a perception that society is more divided than it actually is, as most Americans are reasonable and do not support extreme views. The conversation touches on three major forces that bind successful democracies: social capital, strong institutions, and shared stories. Haidt argues that social media has undermined all three, leading to a decline in trust among individuals and institutions. He highlights the importance of social capital, which refers to the trust and networks that enable cooperation, and notes that America has seen a decline in trust since the 1970s. Haidt also discusses the impact of social media on children, particularly girls, linking increased anxiety and depression rates to their use of platforms like Instagram. He advocates for reforms that would limit children's access to social media until they are older, suggesting that the age for internet adulthood should be raised to 16. He emphasizes the need for parents to foster resilience in their children by allowing them to experience challenges and conflicts, rather than shielding them from potential harm. The discussion concludes with Haidt's proposals for reforming social media and strengthening democratic institutions. He suggests that verifying user identities on social media platforms could reduce harmful behavior and that structural reforms in governance are necessary to restore trust in democratic processes. Haidt's upcoming book, "Life After Babel: Adapting to a World We Can No Longer Share," will further explore these themes and the challenges of living in a fragmented society.