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The speaker mentions that a former head of military intelligence in Israel was friendly with Epstein. They point out that there is no evidence provided to support the claim that Israel was involved in running Epstein. They mention that Maxwell worked for Israel and Epstein worked for Maxwell, and that Epstein was introduced to Maxwell's daughter and Israeli intelligence.

Jeffrey Epstein likely worked for non-American intelligence services, and it's acceptable to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he acquire his wealth and connections without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and it's acceptable to name Israel without being hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's behavior is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Citizens have the right to expect their government to act in their interest and to demand that foreign governments not act against their interest. Many in Washington D.C. believe Epstein was running a blackmail operation for a foreign government, possibly Mossad, but are afraid to say it. The longer this is avoided, the more hateful the conversation becomes. The question of whether this happened should be asked directly to the Israeli government, and their refusal to answer should be unacceptable as long as the U.S. provides them with money. Citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

The transcript weaves together a compilation of statements and reporting surrounding the 9/11 attacks, Israeli involvement rumors, and related investigations. - Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly said September has been good for Israel, claiming, “we're benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon and the American struggle in Iraq.” - CNN reported (and later acknowledged as false) a tape in which Osama bin Laden told his mother that something big was about to happen; bin Laden had consistently denied involvement in 9/11 and claimed Zionists were behind the attacks. Reports from Japanese, Chinese, and Indian outlets claimed bin Laden was killed in Afghanistan in 2001 and buried in an unmarked grave by his own men. There are claims from the Muslim world and some European figures that Zionist extremists staged the 9/11 attacks to ignite terrorism. - A commentator asserted that the war has targeted Israel’s Muslim enemies and is being fought and paid for with American blood, lives, and tax dollars. - A speaker argued that bin Laden, regardless of who committed the attacks, comes back to the Middle East, and urged the United States to dismantle the entire “evil empire of terrorism,” warning that without doing so, the terror network could develop nuclear capabilities and threaten the United States and its allies. - Observers described a lack of apparent shock among certain people in connection with the events, noting unusual behavior or reactions. - Five men arrested in a van were later identified as Israeli, with some connections to Israeli intelligence; they were turned over to the FBI. National security databases showed some of the men had prior Israeli intelligence or counterterrorism experience, and one admitted serving in an Israeli army anti-terrorist unit and refused a lie detector test for an extended period. A speaker emphasized loyalty to country when discussing military service. - Fox News and others reported that up to 140 Israelis had been detained prior to September 11 in an ongoing, broad investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Government documents described hundreds of incidents across U.S. cities that investigators said could indicate organized intelligence gathering. The “country A” in a General Accounting Office document was said to be Israel, described as conducting aggressive espionage against the U.S. despite being an ally, with Israel possessing substantial resources to achieve its collection objectives. - Investigators questioned the possibility that some Israeli agents had advanced knowledge of the attacks, suggesting there is explosive but not necessarily conclusive evidence when aggregated. A recurring theme was the question of how such agents could have known, given the events. - Allegations of foreknowledge included claims that Israeli agents were forewarned and filmed the event on Israeli television. Some individuals detained or questioned described their presence in Israel as journalists or documenters. The broader question centered on whether Israelis gathered intelligence in advance and whether it was shared or withheld. - The transcript also recounts the failure to account for certain details (e.g., passport survivals, disappearance of voice recorders) as well as assertions that anthrax letters, later linked to a U.S. Army lab, were used to deflect blame toward Muslims. - Two accounts describe a white Chevy van linked to Urban Moving Systems, a moving company whose employees were alleged to have connections to Israeli intelligence. The FBI issued a nationwide alert about the van, and two suspects were reported in custody after explosives were found in a vehicle near the George Washington Bridge. CBS reported that two suspects were in FBI custody and that the truck contained enough explosives to damage the bridge, with some accounts noting a prior alert about a van on the way to destroy the bridge. - Overall, the material presents a network of claims and investigations involving alleged Israeli espionage, foreknowledge of 9/11, intelligence operations in the United States, and specific incidents surrounding the George Washington Bridge and related arrests.

Israel's entire military plan was leaked, including highly confidential information about how they're going to fight, where they're going to fight, and where they're going to go. The leak was possibly from the defense department or somebody. Authorities have no idea who did it. The speaker suggests that whoever leaked the information is the enemy, possibly the enemy from within.

The speaker asserts that there are thousands of hours of tape that are child pornography, and the FBI is not releasing them because the tapes do not show underage people with third parties on Epstein Island; according to the speaker, “those tapes are just child porn,” and that is why they are not being released. Regarding the Epstein list, the speaker says sources in the federal government have seen documents and claim there is no Epstein list. Instead, there is a “black book of Jeffrey Epstein contact,” and most of the contacts are already public, with names such as Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz commonly mentioned. The speaker claims that, according to the DOJ and the FBI, there is no evidence that any of those third parties were trafficking girls to them. The speaker then references Tucker Carlson asserting that Mossad was involved, noting that this is a hot internet speculation without evidence. In addressing this, Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, is cited as stating with 100% certainty that the accusation Epstein “worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.” Bennett reportedly told the speaker that the Mossad has not been active in the United States since the Jonathan Pollard scandal of 1987, when a US army contractor working for the Navy revealed classified information to the Israeli government and was imprisoned for nearly thirty years. According to Bennett, Israel has not spied on the United States since then.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

It is claimed that the Epstein business was heavily influenced by Mossad. The speaker asserts they witnessed Mossad take over the Pentagon in February 2002. According to the speaker, Mossad agents infiltrated the Pentagon without needing identification and had access to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defenses for policy, and occasionally Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense. The speaker relays that Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, allegedly stated that Mossad, not himself, ran the Pentagon.

Mario: Daniel, after decades of diplomacy, the Middle East is now at war. Early on you suggested Hormuz and economic leverage; as the conflict evolved, US ground invasion talk, targeted Iranian leadership, and new developments—like JD Vance’s reaction to US intel and Israel striking energy infrastructure in Iran—have shaped concerns that Israel wields outsized influence. Broad question: how did we get here and why? Daniel: There’s a long history of American and Israeli influence in play. There is American agency and a geopolitical logic tying chokepoints like Hormuz to broader aims, such as reasserting US primacy vis-à-vis China. But this doesn’t fully explain how the last 10 yards into war were crossed. Netanyahu’s long effort to shape a strategic environment culminated when he found a president open to using American power in the region. Israel’s strategy appears to be to assert greater regional dominion by leveraging US military power and creating dependencies with Gulf states. Netanyahu reportedly offered the president an actionable plan, including on-the-ground assets, to decapitate Iran’s leadership and spark a broader upheaval, which helped push the White House toward a twelve-day war in June. Israel also presented a narrative of rapid US escalation to secure its aims, while the American interagency process—though deteriorated in recent years—had to interpret unusually aggressive, yet selective, Israeli intelligence and objectives. The result is a complex dynamic where US rhetoric and decisions are deeply entangled with Israeli designs for regional hegemony, an outcome that was not broadly anticipated by many regional partners. Mario: If the US administration had not fully understood Israel’s project, how did this come to pass? And how does Mossad factor in? Daniel: Israel has tremendous access to influence over an American administration through lobbying, media echo chambers, and political finance, which Netanyahu exploited to drive a course toward major confrontation with Iran. Before Trump’s term, Netanyahu was nervous about a president who could pivot against allies; he devised a strategy that culminated in Operation Midnight Hammer and subsequent US-Israeli collaboration, reinforced by the possibility of rapid decapitation of Iran’s leadership. There are reports (and debates) about Mossad presenting on-the-ground assets and the possibility of instigating a street revolution in Iran, which may not have been fully believed by Washington but was persuasive enough to shape policy. The question remains how much of Israeli intelligence makes it to Trump and his inner circle, especially given concerns about cognitive ability and decision-making in the White House at that time. Netanyahu’s aim, according to Daniel, was not simply to topple Iran but to maximize Israel’s regional leverage by using American power while reducing other regional peers’ influence. Mario: What about Gulf states and broader regional realignments? How did the Gulf respond, and what does this mean for their security calculus? Daniel: The Gulf states face a stark dilemma. They fear Iran's retaliatory capabilities but also distrust America’s consistency and question whether US support will be cost-effective. Iran’s strikes into the Gulf have forced Gulf capitals to reassess their reliance on US protection and Israel’s influence, particularly given Israel’s aggressive posture and expanded regional footprint—Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza—with potential implications for the Gulf’s own security and economic interests. Some Gulf actors worry about over-dependence on American security assurances while Israel intensifies operational reach. The GCC’s calculus is shifting: they confront a choice between continuing alignment with the US-Israel bloc or seeking more independent security arrangements. The possibility of a broader Gulf-Israel axis, or at least closer coordination, is tempered by concerns over long-term regional stability, public opinion, and the risk of escalation. Mario: How has this affected perceptions of Iran, Israel, and the broader regional order? Has the Gulf’s stance shifted? Daniel: The region’s balance has been unsettled. Iran’s actions have damaged Gulf trust in its neighbors’ security guarantees, while Israel’s aggressive posture and reliance on US power have complicated Gulf states’ calculations. Turkey’s role is pivotal as it balances concerns about Iran and Israel, while also watching how the region realigns. The possibility of a future where Iran’s power is weakened is weighed against the risk of destabilization and long-term security costs. Negotiations between the US, Iran, and regional actors—stoked by Turkish diplomacy and shifting Gulf positions—are ongoing, with Turkey signaling that diplomacy remains important, even as Gulf states reassess their security dependencies. Mario: What about Lebanon and Hezbollah, and the potential for broader spillover? Daniel: Lebanon faces severe consequences: displacement, civilian harm, and a domestic political paralysis that complicates relations with Israel. Hezbollah remains a factor, with ongoing tensions in Lebanon and the South. Israel’s goal of establishing security-control in Lebanon risks reigniting long-standing conflicts, while Lebanon’s government seeks a balance that could prevent further escalation, if possible. The broader picture is that Israel’s approach—driven by a perceived need to neutralize Iran and all potential threats—could provoke wider regional blowback, complicating already fragile domestic politics across the Levant. Mario: Final thoughts as the war unfolds? Daniel: Israel’s strategic ambitions appear to extend beyond countering Iran to shaping a broader order in which it remains the dominant regional power, aided by US military leverage. Gulf states face a difficult reorientation, reassessing longstanding alliances in light of perceptions of US reliability. The coming months will reveal whether regional actors can recalibrate toward diplomatic resolutions or wind up in a deeper, more protracted conflict. The question remains whether a political path could replace military escalation, and whether external powers can deter further aggression and stabilize the region without allowing a broader conflagration.

The speaker discusses trying to uncover what the Mossad is called when dealing with other intelligence agencies. After asking the prime minister's spokesman, it was revealed that they refer to themselves as the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, or ISIS for short. This name is used when communicating with agencies like the CIA or British intelligence.

Jonathan Pollard, a civilian working for the Navy, was charged with passing secrets to Israel over 16 years ago. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is currently serving a life sentence. Initially, Israeli leaders denied involvement, but later accepted responsibility for his actions. Recent reports suggest that some US investigators suspect Israeli individuals of engaging in spying activities within the US, potentially withholding information prior to September 11th.

The speaker asserts that the Epstein business was heavily influenced by Mossad. They claim to have watched Mossad take over the Pentagon in 2002, stating the Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad. They say Mossad did not need any identification to pass through the river entrance and went upstairs to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defense for policy, described as the third most powerful man in the Defense Department. They add that Mossad occasionally went to Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense and the second most powerful man. The speaker quotes Donald Rumsfeld telling their boss, “hell, I don't run my building. Mossad does.”

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. This person was absolutely sure that Epstein was either knowingly or unknowingly working as an intelligence asset. It's a mistake to assume that Epstein was the only one with access to the videotapes from his plane and island. The reason some people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because many assume that Epstein was the only one who had damaging information on powerful people. According to my source, that is not the case. It makes sense that the blackmail story is more widespread than people know. I do not know which Middle Eastern countries were involved.

The speaker believes Jeffrey Epstein was connected to intelligence, as Vicki Ward reported, and that the DOJ was told to leave him alone in 2008. They claim there's been a cover-up and will publish a video detailing the exact documents the DOJ should seek and individuals to question. The speaker believes the Epstein intelligence connection hasn't been investigated due to the Pandora's box it opens. They think public outrage might force some disclosure. The speaker attributes the suppression of information to a combination of donors and national security officials with intersecting interests who have influence over the White House and executive branch agencies. They claim Trump World donors were involved in Epstein's network. If Epstein's intelligence ties are confirmed, every aspect of his career would be scrutinized to determine which intelligence agency was involved, triggering intense investigation into his dealings. This, combined with donor pressure, has created a power struggle for the White House.

The speaker lays out a narrative in which Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, is intricately connected to the CIA and to a longtime insider, James Angleton. The claim is that Mossad and Angleton formed an alliance “forever,” with Angleton described as “the mole” who was aligned with Mossad. In 1960, Angleton was the head of the CIA’s Directorate of Foreign Intelligence, and he is depicted as the person who was always searching for a Russian mole. The speaker asserts that Angleton was effectively the Russian mole because of his close friendship with Mossad, to the extent that he would share information with Mossad and Mossad would not relay it to Russia. The narrative then moves to 1963, referencing David Ben-Gurion, the Israeli prime minister, arguing that Israel decided to kill John F. Kennedy. The speaker quotes Ben-Gurion as saying that Kennedy’s threats of inspections of “demonic” (interpreted as a mispronunciation or coded term for dangerous issues) were unacceptable, and that Ben-Gurion said, “It’s none of his frigging business. I don’t wanna hear anymore from Kennedy. You kill him.” According to the speaker, Ben-Gurion issued this order to Mossad and then resigned so he could not be held responsible for it. The implication is that Mossad then went to Angleton, implying that the Kennedy assassination was not a CIA job, but was “greased by the CIA” because Angleton had his connections at Mossad. From there, the speaker claims that Corsican sharpshooters were hired by Mossad for the Kennedy assassination as part of a larger operation at Dealey Plaza, including the escape. The speaker asserts that public suspicion has misattributed the blame to the mob, Lyndon Johnson, or Castro, but maintains that it was Israel that carried it out. The stated motive is tied to Israel’s desire to avoid further inspections related to their nuclear program. The speaker claims this is connected to Israel’s nuclear and biological capabilities and asserts that plutonium was stolen from the United States to support their program. In summary, the speaker contends that the Kennedy assassination was orchestrated not by the CIA alone, but through a coordinated effort involving Mossad, James Angleton, and David Ben-Gurion, with Israel acting to prevent scrutiny of its nuclear activities by eliminating Kennedy, aided by Corsican shooters and a CIA-Mossad alliance.

The speaker questions whether their hypothetical death, following a tweet about the CIA and Mossad framing and torturing them, would be considered suspicious. They mention a real story that sent chills down their spine, involving Jeffrey Epstein. According to information received, Epstein allegedly operated a blackmail ring, using his connections to powerful individuals who attended his parties on his Caribbean island. The speaker highlights allegations that Epstein was protected by intelligence agencies, which may explain why he faced no consequences. They mention Alexander Acosta's involvement and his claim that he was instructed to leave the Epstein case alone because it belonged to intelligence.

Speaker 0 says everything is “out of Israel” and relates what “Gilen” told him about her father. He claims that when she was talking to him one day, she said the Rothschilds were the greatest protectors of her family, and he says he is afraid she is still “on the loose.” He states he knows who is taking care of her, saying “I know it is the Rothschild,” and adds that “lady Rothschild is ready to kill me.” Speaker 0 asks if this is when Lynn forced her to the Rothschild and suggests “You can assume.” He then says “it helps us so much because no one’s speaking out,” and tells Speaker 1 that Speaker 1 is “the only one who cares about how it all began,” describing that as “what’s so important.” Speaker 1 responds that “that’s where it is” and says “that’s where the real story is,” adding that “that’s how you find out how extensive it is in in Story.” Speaker 1 then cites a claim that “a guy that used to work for Israeli intelligence with Robert Maxwell told me” that he had seen Jeffrey Epstein in Robert Maxwell’s office “in, like, the mid eighties,” and says “so that definitely goes back several years.” Speaker 0 replies by stating that Gilan’s “thing” was that he was assigned “to her” to protect her because her dad had died. Speaker 0 then asks: “who assigned you?” and says, “what does that mean?”

One of the largest political figures in America is assassinated on live TV, prompting the question: "was this a professional assassination?" The speaker says, "not usually are they planning out a carefully orchestrated hit that involves them getting away clean, and then giving a whole text message admission of guilt on regular old texts." He adds, "we have more than enough evidence to be asking the question, was there intelligence agencies involved." He notes, "the Israel conversation is not one. No one is claiming at this point that Israel was involved in this in any way," while claiming, "I have made that claim because I'm not involved." "This is not my case to solve. I was not involved. I didn't know Charlie." "Since day one, we have gotten more and more and more evidence that maybe we should be looking in Israel's direction." He cites, "an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the list of Israeli assassinations." He states, "Epstein worked for Israel" and asks, "Do you think there's any intel community involvement in this?" He continues, "I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story. He wasn't one of ours." "So he was an American, which leads basically three options, MI six, Saudi, or Mossad? Which one would you choose? I guess Mossad, given his connection to Ghislain Maxwell." The crowd cheers.

The speaker suggests that the person in question may not be an American operator and could be linked to Israeli intelligence. They mention that running such an operation could lead to significant consequences for any country involved. The speaker also highlights that the individual was given a substantial amount of money. When asked about similar examples, the speaker mentions the Mossad, who have previously engaged in similar activities, such as organizing orgies to obtain compromising information. However, one such operation was discovered and had to be terminated.

Yes. I I watched Mossad take over the Pentagon in 02/2002. The Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad. They did not need any identification to get through the river entrance to the building. They went upstairs to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defenses for policy, the third most powerful man in the defense department. Occasionally, they went to the second most powerful man, Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, and they had run of the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, said to my boss one time, hell, I don't run my building. Mossad does.

Doctor Chenek talks about the Epstein pedophilia network as a Mossad operative ring that supposedly goes back decades. He asserts that this ring ties to unmarked Israeli planes during the Six Day War and to the claim that Israel attacked the USS Liberty, which he says is a lie. He claims Israel has not been a great ally but our greatest enemy, and that Mossad operatives were involved in 9/11, with confirmation from operatives he interrogated and threatened, and that he put away two Mossad operatives. He states that Jeff Epstein was chosen by Mossad as the proper agent of influence because he was grandiose, had some intelligence, came from a poor Jewish background, had no real education, did not speak a foreign language, and was narcissistic, enabling a false front of wealth or influence. He says Epstein was controlled by Maxwell, daughter of Robert Maxwell, described as one of the greatest crooks and an Israeli Mossad operative, who, after Maxwell’s death in 1991, acted as the control operative for Epstein. He adds Nexium in New York City was run by a non-Jew named Ranier but controlled by two Jewish women, the Bronfman family, who propagated pedophilia. Regarding why pedophilia is lethal, Doctor Chenek explains that using a child as a honey trap terrorizes the child and prevents whistleblowing, making it a powerful method to denigrate both the operative and the issue. He claims Mossad incurred many operatives involved with pedophilia under Epstein and under Nexium, affecting thousands of people, and that the rings extend into the presidency, including the Bush family (Bush Junior, Jeb), the Clintons (Hillary, Bill Clinton), and Obama, extending “all the way down to the bushes and beyond that.” He asserts that under Mossad chiefs Kalevi and Yatom, pedophilia was used as a honey trap to encapsulate American operatives, and that Epstein was a willing operative who willingly participated in pedophilia, with Wexner as the theoretical backup man and Bear Stearns as another corrupted firm alongside Drexel Burnham. He ties this corruption back to 9/11, naming Silverstein, Lowry, Lauder, and Eisenberg as involved in the stand down and false flag of 9/11. He claims Trump later indicted Mossad operatives and Israelis on charges of pedophilia rather than spying, referencing Acosta’s comment that Epstein avoided indictment due to his work in the intelligence service. Doctor Chenek asserts involvement by the CIA (old CIA, not the present CIA) and credits a “deep state” including the NSA, NRO, NGA, CIA, and others in exposing the operation through NSA metadata. He says there is now a real problem with Israel and that an ambassador and Kushner warned Israel to make a peace treaty with the Palestinians or face consequences, with takedown of Mossad operatives as only the beginning. He closes with a personal reflection as a Jew, criticizing American Jews for arrogance and ignorance, recalling his experiences in the 1980s with Hamas and the Intifada, and ends with a rabbi’s quote about following the righteous path and avoiding evil.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story, he wasn't one of ours. So he was an American, which leads basically three options, MI six, Saudi or Mossad? Yep. Which one would you choose? Well, I mean it's possible that that's the reason everything is getting buried, that there is some treasure trove and it's getting buried because How many people here believe that? Raise your hand. Okay. I'd say about half half the hands think that it's being buried because of an Israeli thing. It could be. I I really don't know. And I no evidence to suggest that. I'm neither.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

The speaker contends that the real reason for hard efforts to prevent the release of the files for months is to protect billionaires, friends of the speaker and associated political donors. They claim Epstein had close ties to our own intelligence agencies and Israel's intelligence agencies, and argue that there will be attempts to stop this somewhere else, which they believe will backfire.

John and Mario discuss the EpsteinFiles with a focus on who is behind the cover-up, the involvement of intelligence services, and the implications for justice and power. - Epstein as Mossad asset and broader intelligence links: - John reiterates his original conclusion that Epstein was a Mossad access agent and adds that he was actively seeking contact with the CIA, the FBI, the NSC, MI5/MI6, Germany, and even Vladimir Putin, aiming to burnish his credentials with intelligence communities. Epstein allegedly requested private meetings with Putin, which were arranged with others present, and there were FOIA requests by Epstein’s attorneys to confirm associations with the CIA and NSC, which reportedly went unanswered. - Mario notes Epstein’s access to the Skiff (a highly restricted, sealed room for classified discussions) and argues Epstein’s entry suggests closer ties to American intelligence, since only Five Eyes would have access to such a space. He contrasts this with a broader view that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political classes drive the cover-up, as evidenced by congressional mandates to release documents and the DOJ’s involvement. - The discussion flags that the released files show Epstein’s attempts to connect with major intelligence actors, and hints at a possible broader Israeli involvement (Mossad) and questions about whether Israelis were spying on the CIA/NSC. - The scope of the release and accountability: - John emphasizes that Congress passed a law mandating release of these documents; the executive branch has not released all materials, with millions unreleased and only a fraction of available data being disclosed (debate around 2% of data released in some outlets). He criticizes the DOJ for surveillance-like behavior of congressional briefings (e.g., a DOJ official observing members while they review materials). He also notes the CIA/FBI/FIVE EYES redactions that obscure sources and methods, and argues that there should be little redaction since Epstein is deceased. - Mario adds that the files reveal extensive redactions and questions about what remains unreleased, comparing it to the torture report’s redactions, and suggests the redactions may be politically or strategically motivated. - Notable file threads and alleged illicit activities: - A Libyan assets subplot: An associate, Greg Brown, discusses identifying and recovering frozen Libyan assets (potentially 80+ billion dollars). The plan purportedly offered Epstein a percentage (10-25%) for recovery, with Libya’s reconstruction as a potential cost. Brown claimed connections with MI6 and Mossad to identify stolen assets, illustrating a pattern of opportunities for private actors to profit from geopolitical upheavals. - Ukraine 2014 dispatches: A tweet claimed that Epstein, in 2014, discussed opportunities arising from Ukraine upheaval, with the Rothschilds emailing Epstein to discuss asset management and Ukraine, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in exploring opportunities amid regime changes. - The role of wealth and elite involvement: Mario and John describe how Epstein’s financial power enabled him to operate at the intersection of intelligence and global finance; the “go-to” for large asset claims is a reality that would require serious governmental or intelligence ties. - Death of Epstein and questions surrounding it: - The panel discusses the widely accepted view that Epstein did not kill himself, citing multiple irregularities: the July 23 attempt, the deletion of relevant footage, Epstein’s removal from suicide watch against protocol, a mass-murderer cellmate, unmonitored calls, camera malfunctions, and a decoy body claim. They discuss the autopsy differences (ear shape, penis description) and an DOJ note dated a day earlier than the death as a potential anomaly. - John explains that in the federal system prison guards’ qualifications and camera reliability are problematic, and argues that the death raises serious questions about the suicide narrative, while acknowledging a lack of inside information to confirm any particular theory. They discuss a decoy body and the possibility that Epstein was secretly killed, with ongoing debates about whether he’s alive or dead. - They reference a note about an escape plan and a will being signed days before death, suggesting Epstein anticipated danger and attempted to plan escape, though this is balanced against the argument that prisoners often contemplate escape. - Victims, threats, and blackmail: - They recount death threats to Epstein’s victims, including threats in Hebrew and references to Mossad-like intimidation. John explains that Western intelligence rarely issues direct threats to civilians, whereas Mossad has historically used such tactics; Epstein’s circle included individuals who reportedly faced threats and harassment. - They discuss Epstein’s private security cameras and alleged blackmail operations, citing emails in which victims describe transactional sexual experiences and Epstein’s networks. They consider whether intelligence agencies exploited Epstein’s perversion to further strategic aims and whether those networks used blackmail to recruit or control powerful individuals (e.g., Prince Andrew, Les Wexner, etc.). - High-profile associations and potential redactions: - Fergie (Sarah Ferguson) is mentioned as having close ties with Epstein, including emails after his conviction and marriage-like language; Prince Andrew is highlighted as heavily implicated. They discuss whether these relationships were used for blackmail or influence, and whether such information remains usable as leverage. - The breadth of individuals implicated ranges from Trump to Clinton to business titans; John notes there is no direct evidence of crimes by Trump or Clinton in released materials, but the extent of connections complicates public perception. - Conclusion and ongoing questions: - The conversation closes with an agreement that Epstein’s death and the surrounding files reveal a web of intelligence connections, high-level influence, and potential blackmail, with substantial redactions and a continuing need for full disclosure to understand the full extent of involvement, high-level figures, and the truth behind Epstein’s death. They anticipate further file releases and ongoing analysis.

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.