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Doctor Money used the original transcripts of interviews to support his theory that a boy could be raised as a girl successfully. In one session, he asked who the boss was, and Brian, the boy, was identified as the boss. When asked if he fought back, Brian said yes, while Brenda, the girl, said no because girls don't fight back. Doctor Money's theory gained attention worldwide, suggesting that nurture was more important than nature in determining gender identity. However, the Reimer family, whose daughter underwent a sex change, was unaware of Doctor Money's claims. Brenda exhibited masculine behavior, contradicting the supposed success of the gender change.

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Sage's mother, known as Nana, shares the heartbreaking story of her adopted daughter's journey. Sage faced depression and anxiety during puberty, and when she started high school, she identified as a boy named Draco. The school kept this information from Nana, and Sage experienced severe bullying and assault. Sage eventually ran away and was sex trafficked, but was rescued by the FBI. However, the legal battle continued, with the judge and attorney misgendering Sage and accusing Nana of abuse. After a long struggle, Sage is now receiving trauma care and sharing her story to raise awareness. Nana emphasizes the importance of listening to parents and not letting ideology harm children.

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In 1978, when Brenda was almost 13, Dr. Mone tried to convince her to have a vaginal surgery. He brought in a transsexual to show Brenda someone who had willingly undergone the operation, hoping it would persuade her. Some experts believe this was a reasonable approach.

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Chloe Cole, a victim of what she calls a medical scandal, shares her story in the hope of preventing others from experiencing the same harm. At 12 years old, Chloe began experiencing gender dysphoria and expressed her discomfort with puberty to her parents. However, she believes that her parents' decision to seek outside help led them down a path of deceit and coercion. Chloe was put on puberty blockers and later testosterone, resulting in irreversible changes to her body. She underwent a double mastectomy at 15 and struggles with the physical and emotional consequences. Chloe emphasizes the need for compassion and therapy rather than affirming a delusion. She urges society to stop telling children they are born wrong and to recognize the risks of this medical approach.

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A 12-year-old child assigned female at birth expresses a desire to live as a boy. The speaker believes that the law should not intervene in this matter and that parents should take care of it.

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David and Brian, twins who were subjects of a controversial experiment by Dr. Money, decided to speak out against him after realizing he had falsely portrayed their case as a success. They wanted to prevent others from going through the same trauma. The experiment involved inappropriate sexual positions and taking pictures of them when they were just 7 years old. However, after the documentary was aired, Brian's mental health worsened. David visited him frequently, trying to provide support.

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The speaker underwent a 7-hour procedure with complications, leading to pain and internal scar tissue. Despite efforts, the new organ was rejected by the body. The speaker criticizes the surgeon for misleading advice and advocates against early gender surgeries. The speaker expresses sympathy for others who have experienced similar situations.

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Clementine began puberty blockers at 12, testosterone at 13, and had a double mastectomy at 14. At 20, she is detransitioned and seeking reconstructive surgery, which her insurance denied. She may pursue legal action with the help of Campbell, Miller, Payne. Clementine says childhood sexual abuse was ignored, but counselors encouraged her to transition due to negative feelings about her body. She rejected womanhood, associating it with pain from the abuse. Therapy addressing the abuse helped her realize she didn't want to transition, and the loss of fertility and changes to her body began to sink in. Before starting puberty blockers, no one asked about the abuse. At her first appointment with Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy at Los Angeles Children's Hospital, she was prescribed puberty blockers 30 minutes in, after being out for 4 months. Dr. Olson-Kennedy told Clementine's parents that she was deeply suicidal and that she would be at high risk for suicide if they didn't let her transition.

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Clementine, a detransitioner, shares her experience with another person also named Clementine. She began puberty blockers at 12, testosterone at 13, and had a double mastectomy at 14. Testosterone caused her to experience psychosis, so she stopped taking it around age 17. Now 20, she detransitioned earlier this year and is undergoing reconstructive surgery. She notes that getting approval for reconstructive surgery has been more difficult than getting the initial double mastectomy. She expresses disbelief that people question the experiences of detransitioners.

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At Johns Hopkins Hospital, a child underwent sexual reassignment at 22 months old, becoming Brenda Lee. Despite efforts to raise her as a girl, Brenda rebelled against her female identity. She faced social rejection and struggled with her gender identity. Brenda eventually learned the truth and transitioned back to living as a boy named David at age 14. Brenda's family sought forgiveness, and she showed a compassionate heart in forgiving them.

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The speaker's four-year-old child declared, "Mom, you know I'm really a girl. I'm a girl on the inside." This prompted appointments with a psychologist and endocrinologist to rule out medical issues. The child increasingly expressed herself as a girl, wanting to wear dresses and sparkly shoes. Restricting this expression led to depression, and the speaker allowed her to attend school in girl's clothes, which improved her happiness. While the children and teachers were initially accepting, some parents reacted negatively, influenced by "adult bigotry." The family lost friends and family and went into hiding for a year while the daughter grew her hair out. They re-emerged with a happy and confident daughter.

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Josie and her mother were convinced that the irreversible treatment, despite making Josie sterile, was the right choice. However, one day, Josie had an unexpected conversation with her mother. Josie revealed that she might feel like a boy on the inside and a girl on the outside. Her mother acknowledged that only Josie knows the answer to that. Josie expressed that if she wanted to grow up as a man, she would tell her mother. Josie admitted feeling unsure about her identity, which surprised her mother. This was the first time Vanessa had heard Josie sound uncertain.

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This is the story of David, known as Jon Joan in medical journals, and his mother Janet. Janet made the difficult decision to change David's sex and raise him as a girl. They discuss the challenges they faced and the doubts they had throughout the process. David never felt like he fit in as a girl and struggled to conform to societal expectations. Janet tried to convince him that it was okay to be himself, but David felt lonely and desperate to fit in. Ultimately, David realized that he couldn't change who he was and accepted himself.

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Swiss authorities took a 16-year-old girl from her parents, who disagreed with her being treated as a boy. The school, hospital, and child protection agency supported her transition. The parents feel powerless and want their daughter back. They believe no one should tell a child they were born in the wrong body. The parents miss their daughter and are speaking out to prevent other families from going through the same ordeal.

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Admiral Rachel Levine, a pediatrician and the assistant secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services, addresses concerns about children transitioning before 18. She emphasizes the challenges of adolescence, particularly for those experiencing gender dysphoria. If a child feels female but is undergoing male puberty, it can be distressing. Critics argue that children are too young to make such decisions. Levine clarifies that for prepubertal children, no medical procedures are performed; instead, they are supported through therapy to explore their feelings.

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The speaker's four-year-old child declared, "Mom, you know I'm really a girl. I'm a girl on the inside." Following this, the child became more insistent about expressing herself as a girl. Medical professionals were consulted to rule out underlying medical issues. The child's insistence on expressing her true gender led to depression when forced to present as a boy. Allowing her to dress as a girl improved her happiness. While the children at school were accepting, some parents were not, leading to the loss of friends and family. The family went into hiding for a year while the child grew her hair out. They re-emerged with a happy and confident daughter.

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Shay, a transgender individual, shares their personal journey of transitioning. They initially identified as a feminine gay man before researching transgender ideology and deciding to transition. They underwent hormone therapy, facial feminization, and breast augmentation surgeries. However, the hormonal changes negatively affected their mental health, and they experienced complications with their surgically created vagina. They also discovered they had complex PTSD, body dysmorphia, OCD, borderline personality disorder, bipolar disorder, and internalized homophobia. Shay started detransitioning by taking testosterone but faced challenges due to their nonfunctional genitals. They now rely on synthetic hormones and feel stuck in a surgically altered body. They advocate for stricter regulations on medical transitioning, including comprehensive psychological evaluations and informed consent.

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Brenda was shown explicit birth photos to make her understand her gender, which shocked her as a young child. Doctor Money then tried to convince her to have surgery to construct a vagina, but Brenda was uncomfortable with the idea. She was told that the surgery would fix her genitalia and make it easier for her to pee. Brenda was scared and didn't understand why she needed surgery when she felt perfectly fine. She believed that the surgery would change her for the worse.

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At the age of 2, she insisted that she was a girl, not a boy, despite being called a cute little boy. She struggled with tantrums, which were initially thought to be due to sensory processing disorder. However, when she was 4 and a half, she visited the gender clinic at Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago. The doctor asked if she was a girl, and she confirmed it. From that moment, everything changed. She became the easiest kid to navigate the world with, put on clothes, and had no more tantrums.

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Josie and her mother believed that irreversible treatment was the right choice, despite the fact that it would make Josie unable to have children. However, during a conversation, Josie expressed uncertainty about their gender identity. Josie wondered if they were a boy on the inside and a girl on the outside. Their mother acknowledged that only Josie could truly know the answer. Josie was told that if they wanted to grow up as a man, they could. Josie admitted to feeling unsure about their identity, which was a surprise to their mother. This was the first time Vanessa had heard Josie express uncertainty.

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Plastic surgery couldn't help Bruce Reimer, but then the Reimer family saw hope in a TV show featuring Dr. John Money, a pioneer in sex change surgery. Dr. Money, charismatic and confident, had brought a transsexual woman who had undergone the procedure. This gave the Reimers hope, and they reached out to Dr. Money. He suggested turning their baby son into a girl, and it seemed like the solution they were looking for. However, it wasn't just the Reimers who needed Dr. Money's help; he saw them as an answer to his own prayers.

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Speaker 0: Before publicizing Brenda's case, there were concerns about potential problems. Speaker 1: Brenda showed extreme negativism and aggression during her visits. Doctor Money attempted to make her accept her new gender by discussing the differences between male and female genitalia. Speaker 2: Doctor Money asked Brenda intimate questions to help her understand the distinction between boys and girls. Speaker 3: The questions were explicit and made me uncomfortable. However, some argue that focusing on genitalia was scientifically correct at the time. Speaker 2: Knowing a child's gender based on their genital appearance is important and commonly used clinically. Note: The concise transcript is within the 150-word limit.

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A doctor states that roughly 50% of the baby girls he delivers require an operation to remove and reshape a penis and testicles, adding that five of his seven daughters had the procedure. He claims Louise, one of the first babies he delivered, has dating problems. Another doctor accuses him of mutilating over 2,000 little boys by performing this surgery. The doctor responds that they weren't boys, but little girls trapped in little boys' bodies, and that boys are bad.

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The Wounds That Won't Heal | Detransitioner Chloe Cole | EP 319

Guests: Detransitioner Chloe Cole

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Chloe Cole, an 18-year-old detransitioner, began her medical transition at age 12, experiencing gender dysphoria and undergoing therapy. She started puberty blockers at 13, testosterone at 14, and had a double mastectomy at 15. Chloe now advocates against gender ideology and seeks legal accountability for the medical professionals involved in her transition. Chloe's journey began with feelings of gender dysphoria and social difficulties, particularly in connecting with other girls. She felt more comfortable with boys and struggled with body image issues, exacerbated by social media's portrayal of femininity. Despite early puberty, she felt disconnected from her female peers and sought validation through a male identity, believing it would alleviate her distress. During therapy, Chloe felt her concerns were not thoroughly explored. Instead, her therapists quickly affirmed her male identity without addressing underlying issues such as her autism diagnosis and social anxieties. Medical professionals presented transitioning as the only viable solution, often linking non-affirmation to suicide risk, which Chloe later identified as misleading. After starting testosterone, Chloe initially felt more confident but soon faced complications, including sexual dysfunction and urinary tract issues. The physical changes did not align with her expectations, leading to increased insecurities. Following her mastectomy, she experienced regret and a longing for her previous identity, realizing the importance of motherhood and the emotional connections tied to her female body. Chloe's turning point came during a psychology class, where she learned about maternal bonding and the significance of breastfeeding, prompting her to reconsider her transition. After reflecting on her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, she decided to stop her transition and began to express her regrets to her family. Chloe's legal action stems from the belief that she was not adequately informed about the consequences of her medical decisions. She emphasizes the need for comprehensive discussions about options and risks in therapy, particularly for minors. Chloe continues to deal with the physical and emotional repercussions of her transition, including ongoing health issues and a sense of loss regarding her identity and future. She has filed a letter of intent to sue her healthcare providers for the harm caused during her transition journey.

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Irreversible Damage at Fourteen | Detransitioner Clementine Breen | EP 531

Guests: Detransitioner Clementine Breen

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Clementine Breen, a 22-year-old college student and detransitioner, shares her experience with gender transition and the subsequent challenges she faced. At 12, she received puberty blockers, began testosterone at 13, and underwent a double mastectomy at 14, all while feeling disconnected from her female peers and struggling with anxiety stemming from childhood sexual abuse. She did not disclose the abuse to her medical providers, who conducted minimal investigation into her history, leading to a swift diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Clementine highlights the role of Dr. Joanna Olsen Kennedy, a prominent figure in transgender youth healthcare, and Dr. Scott Mosser, her surgeon, in her treatment. She notes that Olsen Kennedy's research on gender-affirming care did not show improvements in mental health, yet the findings were not published to avoid political backlash. Clementine's experience reflects a broader concern about the lack of thorough psychological evaluation and the rush to affirm gender identities without addressing underlying issues like anxiety and depression. Throughout her transition, Clementine felt pressured by her guidance counselor and medical professionals to conform to a male identity, which initially provided her with social acceptance. However, as she continued her transition, she experienced severe mental health issues, including psychosis, which she attributes to both the testosterone and unresolved trauma from her past. After seeking therapy focused on her trauma, Clementine began to understand her identity differently and ultimately decided to detransition. She is now pursuing a lawsuit against the medical professionals involved in her care, aiming to raise awareness about the potential harms of gender-affirming treatments for youth. Clementine emphasizes the importance of addressing mental health issues before making irreversible medical decisions and encourages others to recognize that feelings of discomfort during puberty are common and do not necessarily indicate a need for medical intervention.