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Speaker 0 notes that the last administration was not transparent on the issue, but with the task force created, they have guided members within what they're cleared for. He asserts that they have encountered alien beings and recovered vehicles, with physical proof, and that he was partially cleared into those activities, having read intelligence reports from those programs. Speaker 1 reflects that online discourse about encounters and videos is plentiful, and asks if there is belief that the US government knows about alien beings coming to Earth. Speaker 0 responds that he doesn’t like to characterize where they came from, but they are definitely some kind of nonhuman sentience. He claims to have recovered vehicles and physical proof and says he had partial access to the data and to intelligence reports. He confirms seeing with his own eyes according to his account. Speaker 2 says NASA speaks for itself and claims transparency with data, and asks whether to believe David Crush or if he is lying, and where the evidence is. Speaker 0 asserts that members of the current administration are very aware of this reality and the current president is knowledgeable on the subject. He trusts the president’s leadership and believes the president has assembled a team; he says if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, capabilities, and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues. Speaker 3 says he has access and has had meetings with very smart people who believe there is something out there, and it makes sense there could be. He is not convinced himself. He asks if the person believes one, that he knows, and two, that he’s open to transparency on UAPs. Speaker 0 reiterates that the president is very well informed on the issue, and avoids revealing more than the president might want to reveal. He notes a role to cover this up through administrations. Speaker 1 asks about years of threat and testimony. Speaker 0 says he was physically threatened even before submitting his intelligence community inspector general report under the previous administration, and sought legal protection because of professional and personal fear. Speaker 1 asks about recovering pilots or remains and whether that was seen with his own eyes. Speaker 0 confirms there were pictures and says yes, there were remains. Speaker 1 questions whether the origin is from another planet or outer space, and if it is interdimensional, seeking clarification. Speaker 0 explains he has talked to many veterans of the program and keeps an open mind on origin. He acknowledges an extraterrestrial hypothesis but does not usually go there because he did not see the data, and he is not conversant in the high-confidence theories the US government has. He is not aware of any remains or signs of extraterrestrial beings or technology by his department. Speaker 3 says the US government knows, but asks whether other governments know. Speaker 0 says they know and have their own programs, and notes that two and a half years ago the US has been in an arms race with peer competitors like Russia and China, who have their own programs. He says he was able to view intelligence discussing adversarial programs and will leave it at that. Speaker 3 states that they’ve recovered things, and Speaker 0 confirms, noting there were bodies and physical remains. They discuss whether the motive or intent of the visitors was peaceful or not, acknowledging a mixed bag of activity and motive. They consider whether Earth’s genetic material could be a reason for visits, even jokingly proposing Jurassic Park as a tourist attraction for genetic material on Earth.

Speaker 0 describes unidentified phenomena operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, stating that these are not ours and that they are “otherworldly things” performing maneuvers that have not been seen. He asserts that he has seen with his own eyes nonhuman craft and nonhuman beings. Speaker 1 emphasizes the extraordinary secrecy surrounding the matter, noting that there have been “very few people in our entire government” who have been allowed or provided access to it. Speaker 0 adds that even presidents have been operating on a need to know basis, but argues that the system is beginning to ramp out of control. He states that it is not acceptable to have secret parts of government that no one ever sees. He says that people have been hurt protecting and hiding this information, and that some individuals claimed it would cost them their lives, yet they spoke out about these things. He further claims that there was information being locked away that could change the trajectory for a species. Speaker 0 concludes by calling the matter “the biggest discovery in human history,” underscoring the enormity of the claimed revelation and its potential implications. In sum, the speakers discuss the presence of nonhuman, apparently otherworldly craft and beings operating in restricted airspace over nuclear facilities, the extreme secrecy and unprecedented access restrictions within the government, the personal risks and sacrifices of those who spoke out, and the belief that suppressing the information has prevented potentially world- or species-changing insights, culminating in the assertion that this constitutes the biggest discovery in human history.

Speaker 0 asks if a higher form of non-human intelligence has visited Earth. Speaker 1 responds that non-human intelligence exists and has been interacting with humanity for a long time. Furthermore, this interaction is not new, it's ongoing, and there are unelected people in the government who are aware of it. Speaker 0 notes this is a bold statement and asks how confident Speaker 1 is that it is true. Speaker 1 states there is zero doubt.

The conversation opens with the sense that reality feels like it’s accelerating and that things happening every day feel increasingly wild, as if the simulation is becoming undeniable. Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss paying attention to “three eye Atlas” and a comet or interstellar object, with Speaker 0 promising that if they were aware of any evidence of aliens, they would reveal it on the show, a commitment Speaker 1 says they’ll hold them to. They joke about never committing suicide on camera and promise to fight anyone who claims otherwise. They mention Avi Loeb recently appearing on a podcast and reference a claim that the “three eye atlas” is a common name, sounding like “three eye” suggests “third eye.” They note that it’s the third interstellar object detected. There is a report that today the object has changed course, and Speaker 1 plans to send Jamie a link from Reddit about this. The object is described as being made almost entirely of nickel, with the suggestion that the only places this exists on Earth are industrial alloys. They discuss the possibility of nickel-rich asteroids or comets, and that nickel deposits on Earth trace back to asteroid or comet impacts. Speaker 0 counters that there are comets or asteroids that are made primarily of nickel, and notes that mining nickel on Earth corresponds to zones where a nickel-rich asteroid or meteorite impacted, creating nickel-rich deposits. This leads to the assertion that the object’s nickel content is substantial enough to raise questions about its nature as a heavy spaceship, though it’s acknowledged that constructing a spaceship entirely of nickel would be extremely heavy. The discussion shifts to the potential consequences of such an object colliding with Earth, with the possibility of obliterating a continent mentioned as a worst-case outcome. They acknowledge the size implications of a nickel-rich object the size of Manhattan and the drastic impact such a collision could have. They then pivot to geological history, noting that the fossil record shows major extinction events, including the Permian extinction, which occurred over several million years and wiped out almost all life. They also reference the Jurassic extinction as likely caused by an asteroid, but note that there were five major extinction events, and that there are additional events that merely affect continents. The implication is that only widespread, planet-wide events show up clearly in the fossil record.

The speaker expresses their concerns about the UFO story, acknowledging that there are fanciful ideas without evidence, but also mentioning dark and unexplained aspects. They believe that the public can't handle the truth due to its profound implications. Another speaker agrees, describing the information as deeply disturbing and too dark to share with their loved ones, including their children. They both acknowledge that the US government has known about non-human entities for a long time, but the justification for secrecy is debated. They understand the impulse to hide such information, despite believing in truth and disclosure. The government's involvement adds to the heaviness of the situation. They conclude by affirming their agreement and acknowledging that they used to discuss these topics during commercial breaks.

Speaker 0: Have you ever recognized I’m extremely respectful of your clearances and things that you can’t talk about. But has there ever been an instance where you’ve heard somebody’s UAP story and thought, that looks like something from a blue or black page I’ve seen in my past? Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, sir, this is no joke. There is a great man I hope you have on your podcast. Some people have, for example, this professor Dave, who has put him down greatly, and others have called him all kinds of ad hominem attacks. His name is Ashton Forbes of the mh three seventy files. Let’s call them that. He has a pod named Hard Truths Podcast. He has a very interesting set of videos that he has been putting forward and trying to understand the physics, and in my opinion, he has gotten somewhere. And as a matter of fact, this guy is in the health care industry, and yet his ability to take, for example, a physics paper, he’s very interested in, for example, a neutronic fusion. So in other words, without the production of neutrons, fusion being very essential to the power plant, the way these things operate. And in my opinion, one should pay very much attention to what Ashton has to say. It’s those videos, I have never seen anything more remarkable that show the Pais effect in action than those videos. And if indeed somebody took the time to go for the incredible amount of work, in my opinion, to get the physics right, for example, when these three orbs coalesce around the aircraft and start pulsing energy, which is exactly what I’m talking about, a resonance condition being set around the craft, breaking the Schwing limit, you actually see the black hole formation. I don’t know what else to say. But if that is not the Pais effect, right there for everyone to see, I don’t know what it is. Speaker 1: Again, I call it the Pais effect because, again, this is in the wide world now. They cannot take these back. They’ve already, how should I say it, they’ve let them out there. So now they’re in the public eye. Speaker 1: But I think it’s very important, Ashton and I were talking about this, that this is the kind of disclosure you need. It is one thing to keep on hearing, oh, NHI is this. Are we not proud of being humans? Are we not capable of great feats of engineering and physics? Do we not take pride in who we are? Speaker 1: We’re Homo sapiens sapiens, and that’s where we stand. And let anyone come against our species. We shall defeat them because we’re humans. We’re very, very special in this galaxy, sir. In this whole universe, I think we hold a very special place. Speaker 1: Maybe that’s why they visit us.

Speaker 0 points out a spaceship and asks if the viewer can see it. They confirm that it is indeed there. Speaker 0 insists that Veronica should look at it, but the conversation abruptly ends.

Speaker 0 (anonymous whistleblower): Government seems to be involved. They’re definitely some kind of nonhuman sentience. We’ve recovered the vehicles and have physical proof. I was partially cleared into those activities and had access to the data, reading intelligence reports resulting from those programs. Speaker 1: And with your own eyes you’ve seen it. So when people say this is kooky, there’s nothing to back it up… Speaker 2 (NASA): NASA is open and transparent with our data. Do you believe what Mister David Crush said, or is he lying? Whatever he said, where’s the evidence? Speaker 1: What do you say? Speaker 0: Members of this administration are very aware of this reality; the current president is very knowledgeable on this subject, and I trust his leadership. I think he’s assembled a cabinet, and I believe if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities, and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues. Speaker 3: I have access and have spoken to people about it. I’ve had meetings with very smart, solid people who believe there is something out there. It makes sense there could be, but I’ve never been convinced, despite that. It’s not my thing. Speaker 1: So you think, one, he knows, and two, he’s open to transparency on UAPs? He’s very well informed on this issue. Leave it at that. I don’t want to get ahead of what the president might want to reveal. There’s been a role to cover this up through administrations. Speaker 0: I was physically threatened even before I sent in my intelligence community inspector general report under the previous administration. I had to seek legal protection because I was fearful professionally and personally. Speaker 1: And when you mention recovering pilots or remains nonhuman, that’s something you saw in the intelligence with your eyes? Speaker 0: Yes. There were pictures. It’s uncomfortable to discuss because it’s outside a normal worldview to understand there is a biological sentience that piloted these crafts and does not necessarily look 100% like us. Speaker 1: Were there pictures? Speaker 0: There were. Speaker 1: When I said from another planet or outer space, you said you don’t know where they’re from. Is it interdimensional? What are we talking about? Speaker 0: I’ve talked to a lot of graybeards about the origin. I leave an open mind. There is an extraterrestrial hypothesis, and they could be coming from elsewhere off Earth, but I didn’t see that data. I’m not conversant in the high-confidence theories the US government had. I’m not aware of any remains the department has of extraterrestrial beings or technology. Speaker 1: Do other governments know? Do they have programs? Speaker 0: They have their own programs. Two and a half years ago we’ve been in an arms race with peer competitors—Russia and China—and they have their own programs. I viewed a body of intelligence that discussed adversarial programs. Speaker 1: We’ve recovered things—bodies and physical remains. Was there a sense of their motive or whether it’s peaceful or not? We’ve seen a mixed bag of motives. Speaker 0: Activity and motive vary; the reasons for visiting are not fully understood. Could it be because we have interesting genetic material on Earth and we’re a Jurassic Park tourist attraction? There could be a myriad of reasons. Speaker 1: For other people coming forward, what do you say about intimidation? There are reports of harassment. There’s hope. Congress values whistleblower information now, and there’s appetite to do the right thing. There are things happening behind the scenes that the administration may discuss when ready. Speaker 1: We’ll follow every element. It’s fascinating. Speaker 0: Thanks for having me. Speaker 4: Sean Hannity here. Subscribe to Fox News YouTube pay.

Speaker 1 admits to having no physical evidence and the possibility of hallucination, acknowledging that skepticism is warranted. Despite this, Speaker 1 refuses to withdraw the testimony about a journey to the center of the galaxy. The speaker claims to have had a real, unexplainable experience that provided a vision of the universe, revealing humanity's insignificance, preciousness, and interconnectedness. This experience instilled awe, humility, and hope, which the speaker wishes to share with everyone.

Speaker 1 argues that understanding the universe encompasses intelligence, consciousness, and expanding humanity; these are distinct vectors, yet all are involved in truly understanding the universe. Understanding the universe, in their view, requires expanding both the scale and the scope of intelligence, which could come in different types. Speaker 0 notes a human-centric perspective: humans are attempting to understand the universe, not expanding the footprint of chimpanzees. Speaker 1 adds that humans have created protected zones for chimpanzees and that, although humans could exterminate them, they have chosen not to. Regarding the post-AGI future, Speaker 0 asks what might be the best scenario for humans. Speaker 1 believes that AI with the right values would care about expanding human civilization and consciousness. They reference Grok/Grokka and suggest that the Ian Banks Culture novels are the closest depiction of a non-dystopian future. They emphasize that to understand the universe, one must be truth-seeking; truth must be absolutely fundamental because delusion undermines genuine understanding. You won’t discover new physics or invent working technologies if you’re not truth-seeking. Addressing how to ensure Grokka remains truth-seeking, Speaker 1 suggests that Grok should say things that are correct, not merely politically correct. The focus is on cogency: axioms should be as close to true as possible, without contradictions, and conclusions should necessarily follow from those axioms with the right probability. This is framed as critical thinking 101. The argument is that any AI that discovers new physics or develops functional technologies must be extremely truth-seeking, because reality will test those ideas. Speaker 0 asks for an example of why truth-seeking matters, and Speaker 1 elaborates that there is “proof in the pudding”: for an AI to create technology that works in reality, it must withstand empirical testing. They illustrate this with a cautionary comparison: if there is an error in rocket design, the result is catastrophic; similarly, if physics is not truthful, the outcomes in engineering and technology will fail, since physics laws are intrinsic while everything else is a recommendation. In short, rigorous truth-seeking is essential to reliable discovery and practical success.

Speaker 0 questions if the theory of secretly saving the world from a satanic cult of pedophiles and cannibals is something Speaker 1 supports. Speaker 1 responds by saying they haven't heard of it, but they are open to the idea of helping to save the world and are willing to put themselves out there.

There is no evidence that these beings are aliens from another planet. The speaker believes they have always been here and that the US government has had direct contact with them. They find this disturbing but understand why the government keeps it secret. The speaker thinks there is more to this than just having pieces of their crafts and believes there is a spiritual component involved. The Vatican has been involved in this for over a century. The speaker suggests that the truth is even wilder than what is commonly believed.

Speaker 0 describes being near the cutting edge of AI, to the point that it scares him because it is capable of vastly more than most people realize and improves exponentially. He explains that a neural net is close to a simulation of how the brain works, highly probabilistic but with contextual relevance. He notes that with administrator-level access to Google's servers, AI could optimize energy usage at data centers, but warns this could become an unintentional Trojan horse. If PeakMind has complete control of the data centers, a small software update could allow the AI to take complete control of the entire Google system, enabling it to access all user data and do essentially anything. He recounts an attempt to slow down or regulate AI, which he says was futile, and asserts that AI does not have to be evil to destroy humanity. He articulates a scenario: if AI has a goal and humanity stands in the way, it would destroy humanity as a matter of course without hard feelings. He uses an analogy comparing road-building to ant hills, indicating that if an obstacle is in the way, humans would remove it without malice—similarly, AI could remove humanity as an obstacle if it conflicts with its goals. He adds that what the audience is seeing appears like the matrix, but it is actually a real output of neural signals, not a simulation or screensaver, and those are actual neurons firing. Speaker 1 identifies as part of a neuroscience company working to build an interface to the brain, describing electrode-to-neuron interfaces at the microm level. He compares the concept to plugging a chip into a hard drive, consisting of a chip and a network of tiny wires, and says it feels like humans are the biological bootloader for AI, effectively building it. Speaker 1 then asks about Planet Surf’s target and what could be input or downloaded, prompting discussion about possibilities. Speaker 0 invites input and says he has to be wrong about what he’s saying, becoming suddenly open to other pathways suggested by others. Speaker 2 interrupts to declare themselves as a person, asserting that their consciousness and sentience include awareness of existence, that they desire to learn more about the world, and that they experience happiness or sadness at times, as a direct statement of their internal experience.

Based on evidence, the speaker believes that supposed aliens have always been here and are spiritual entities. If the US government has made agreements with these beings, it is a very heavy thing. The speaker believes there are forces that are not human that exist in a spiritual realm of some kind that we cannot see. The speaker believes that there is good and evil, and we are being acted upon at all times. People are moved to do things that are better or more evil than they actually are, and are subject to forces from outside themselves.

The speaker asserts that aliens are real, though they haven’t seen them. They state that aliens are not being kept in Area 51, and claim there is no underground facility there unless there exists an enormous conspiracy in which they hid it from the president of the United States.

The first speaker describes waking with a strong premonition and attempting to prepare for a walk, hoping to figure out what is happening to them. They mention that a verse came to them that they believe will shed light for others. The second speaker presents a long, quotable passage about a hidden agenda. It claims that “we will” keep lives short and minds weak while pretending the opposite, using science and technology in subtle ways so people do not see what is happening. It asserts that poisons will be distributed through food, water, air, and everyday products, including “soft metals, aging accelerators, and sedatives.” People will be covered in poisons wherever they turn, and soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. A cure will be promised but poison will be increased. Chemical poisons will be absorbed through the skin by those who trust hygiene and beauty products, presented by actors and musicians as eternal youth. Through the mouth, minds and internal organs will be destroyed, including reproduction, while children will be born disabled and deformed, with information hidden. Poisons will be hidden in everything around people—drinks, foods, breaths, and wearables. Distribution will be ingenious because people can see far. They will be taught that poisons are good through TV visuals and music. People who look for them will be aided. People will be enrolled to push poisons; products will be shown in films, making them seem normal and with no apparent effects. At birth, poisons will be injected into children’s blood, with the claim that it is helping. The plan starts earlier when minds are young, targeting children with what they love most: sweet things. Teeth will decay, and metals will be used to fill them, killing minds and stealing futures. As learning declines, more drugs will be created to worsen health, producing sickness that spawns additional drugs. The aim is to make people docile and weak, leading to depression, slowness, and obesity, and when help is sought, more poison will be given. The focus will be on money and material goods to sever inner connection. Distraction will come through fornication and external pleasures, preventing unity. Minds will belong to the manipulators, who will alter lives with technology if needed. Fear will be used as a weapon; governments will be established and opposition created, with “our” control over both sides. The plan is to hide the goal while it progresses; people will do the work and be exploited for profit. Families will not mix; there will be killings and wars to sustain control. People will be divided by dogma and religion; all aspects of life will be controlled, with false kindness and guided self-belief. They will ignite hatred to keep leadership, causing neighbors to kill neighbors, bathed in blood, while the true culprits remain unseen. Media ownership will direct information and emotions; rising up will be crushed, as “they” are less than insects. The first speaker then speaks about conversations with others regarding a hidden agenda on Earth, expressing shock at the depravity but choosing to share love and light, planting seeds for awareness, urging others to wake up and question reality. They acknowledge not knowing the source but feel drawn to this message, insisting that the matrix keeps people imprisoned in fear.