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The speaker questions the witness about the FBI's history of violating people's rights, including fraud in forensic testimony, improper searches of US officials, and spying on activists. The witness claims to be unaware of these incidents and dismisses them as irrelevant. The speaker argues that the witness's initial reaction to the allegations against the FBI was biased and asks if she could have investigated the matter further. The witness defends her belief in a broad conspiracy involving multiple agencies but admits to not conducting any investigation.

The speaker advocates creating a twenty-four-seven declassification office in the White House that reports directly to the president and handles incoming from the United States of America. The office would pursue declassification of high-profile documents, stating a desire to obtain JFK files, the 9/11 files, and other materials. The speaker asserts that the deep state primarily uses an illegal application of the classification system to cover up its corruption. They reference the so-called “Lovebirds” texts from FBI and DOJ officials involved in the Russiagate investigation, specifically Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who allegedly were having an extramarital affair while coordinating support for their stance against Trump. The speaker claims these texts expressed hatred for Trump and discussed creating an “insurance policy” to stop him. According to the speaker, after discovering these texts, the FBI and DOJ redacted them before congressional investigators and members overseeing those agencies for an extended period. The speaker emphasizes that this is one example among broader claims of improper behavior by the agencies. The speaker then notes a recent development: Strzok and Page received a $1,500,000 payout from the Department of Justice to settle a lawsuit over the improper disclosure of their personal text messages on FBI phones. The DOJ allegedly rewarded them, despite claims that they broke the law, violated the chain of command, and weaponized the justice system against a political target they despised. The speaker claims that the text messages were eventually declassified in full when the speaker became deputy director of national intelligence, allowing the world to read them. This, they say, demonstrates the best form of transparency. With this context, the speaker reiterates the rationale for the proposed 24/7 declassification office: to provide direct access to documents, files, and memos rather than regurgitated summaries. They argue that the deep state completed a full circle by rewarding those involved and that this office would enable America to receive the truth. The speaker frames the next step as obtaining the truth for the country, with the office serving as the mechanism to accomplish that objective.

The speaker suggests that in every January 6th case, the FBI has withheld evidence that could have helped the defendant. They believe defense attorneys should have access to a whistleblower's complaint, which reveals that compensation is tied to these cases. The speaker suggests that defense attorneys should question the agents involved about whether their bosses received bonuses for opening these cases. The other speaker agrees and finds it unbelievable that there are incentives to increase the number of Americans in jail.

The discussion centers on whether January 6 violence was an FBI operation. Speaker 0 denies that the violence at the Capitol was part of any operation orchestrated by FBI sources or agents. Speaker 1 asks if the FBI had an engagement with embedded agents; Speaker 0 repeats denial. Several speakers challenge the lack of answers about how many agents were present, suggesting informants were involved. Speaker 5 says "attorneys for the Proud Boys revealed at least 40 undercover informants were doing surveillance on the defendants that day, including 13 working in the DC Metro Police." Plainclothes MPD officers on Capitol Grounds are referenced. Speaker 6 says he provided high-definition video to lawmakers and accuses the FBI/DOJ of ignoring it; he describes an open window and an operative pulling it. Speaker 7 concludes: "it was the FBI and not Trump supporters who led the insurrection of the Capitol on January 6."

Speaker 0: Listen to this clip, Hannah, of what I said that was so dangerous and controversial. K. Keen Jeffries, a progressive congressman, literally tweeted, while the trial was going on, lock up Kyle Rittenhouse and throw away the key. And he's the same guy that rails against mass incarceration, and I agree with him on some of it. But now, before the trial's even over, they're calling for this guy to be locked up and throw away the key. Like, they've already reached their conclusion. Speaker 1: No. Didn't give him a fair shake. Speaker 0: It's a very ... And they lied about it being a white supremacy thing when it's a white dude that shot three other white people. It's the entire thing is bizarre and it's Out of self defense. Speaker 1: Right. Yes. Speaker 0: In my opinion. Speaker 1: That's most important. Speaker 0: The truth is he defended himself; he wasn't some mass shooter white supremacist, and he should be acquitted. Do you feel bullied? Speaker 1: I I don't. And honestly, I think that was the most milquetoast explanation of everything that went down.

- Kibbe on Liberty hosts Congressman Thomas Massey for part one of a mega episode focusing on the FBI-identified pipe bomber in the January 6 events and the anomalies in the official narrative; Massey argues he does not believe one loner acted alone. - Massey discusses prior coverage and context, noting a Steve Baker interview that documented inconsistencies in the official narrative. He points to fallout from that interview: a Capitol Hill Police official, who was third in command, resigned the day after the interview; another whistleblower contacted Massey about that officer, suggesting misconduct unrelated to the pipe bomb but part of a larger pattern of investigations. - Massey argues that the FBI’s announcement of a suspect came about a week after that interview and after reporting by The Blaze, and suggests the timing is suspicious. He says this coincidence is surprising and potentially a red flag, given that the investigation had been deemed inconclusive or dormant for years. - Massey emphasizes his own context: his staffer on the Hill watched hours of video to identify who found the second pipe bomb; he asserts that the individuals who found the second bomb should be considered suspects, and that the FBI admitted this to him. He recounts efforts with Kevin McCarthy to release video showing how the second pipe bomb was found, noting that those who found it were very lucky to locate it quickly. - He describes other connections and leads: his staffer now works for Kash Patel; Massey has spoken with a counter-surveillance officer who found the pipe bomb and with the officer’s handler, a Capitol Hill Police member who had previously worked for the ATF and later for Metro Police and Capitol Hill Police. He also mentions conversing with the assistant FBI director in charge of the Washington field office, in a transcribed interview with Jim Jordan about why cell phone data wasn’t used to geolocate the suspect (the provider allegedly corrupted data, which the judiciary committee and Barry Loudermilk’s committee disputed). - Massey references a 100-page report from Barry Loudermilk’s committee on the pipe bomb investigation, noting leads the FBI did not follow. He mentions a lead about an individual in Falls Church, Virginia (a former military man now in government service) whose metro card was used on January 5 and January 6; this person’s childhood friend allegedly used the metro card to approach the RNC/Capitol Hill Club area and take photographs near the pipe bomb sites. Massey asserts this person of interest, plus a neighbor who shared a wall with him, could be connected to others the FBI has not fully explored. - He contends that the arrest appears to derail other investigations and interviews that were being planned. He asserts that a “pro-Trump” motive has not been established for the suspect, contrasting the media’s framing with details such as the suspect’s My Little Pony interest and parental political donations. - Massey criticizes the prosecutor in the case, Jocelyn Ballantine, and recounts concerns about her track record (including involvement in the Flynn case, the Proud Boys case, and alleged attempts to obtain confessions implicating Trump). He questions why she remains at the DOJ. - They discuss broader concerns about FBI politicization and surveillance: Massey references reporters and contact with Kash Patel’s team to argue for cleaning house at the FBI, but notes Ballantine remains in place. He describes eight senators discovering they had been spied on, leading to a legislative push: in the last continuing resolution, lawmakers added a half-million-dollar payout and standing to sue the government for surveillance abuses, a provision he characterizes as carving exemptions out of the law; he says this was supported by most lawmakers, who voted for the CR due to Trump concerns. - They debate possible explanations for the pipe bomber case: the possibility that the FBI identified the suspect and cleared him, prompting no arrest due to exonerating information; or the possibility of a false narrative crafted by others to preserve the January 6 prosecution framework; or the involvement of a patsy or rogue actor. - Massey reiterates his three things he said on Twitter: the bomber was a lone wolf (which he disputes); the FBI was unwittingly incompetent for four years (which he says he questions and calls a cover-up); and it was not a Trump supporter. He stresses the need for more transcribed interviews and explanations from the FBI and ongoing oversight to uncover the full truth. - The discussion shifts toward Epstein files coverage and the broader goal of maintaining public pressure for transparency. They indicate a plan to release a separate bonus episode focusing on Epstein files.

Speaker 1 asserts that there is a two-tier justice system weaponized to persecute people based on political beliefs, and that Director Wray has personally helped weaponize the FBI against conservatives. He references the Twitter files, Missouri v. Biden disclosures, the Durham investigation and report, and the exposure and collapse of the Russian collusion hoax. He asks Director Wray what he is prepared to do to reform federal law enforcement to earn back the trust of the American people, noting that he asked Mister Durham about this, and Durham said he did not think things can go too much further given that law enforcement, particularly the FBI or Department of Justice, runs a two-tiered system of justice. Speaker 0 responds by disagreeing with the other speaker’s characterization, saying the description of his bias against conservatives seems insane given his personal background. He explains that the approach to protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution starts with emphasizing to his staff to do the right thing in the right way, which means following the facts wherever they lead, no matter who likes it. He outlines several actions: enhanced procedures, safeguards, approvals, double checks and triple checks, record-keeping requirements, accountability policies, and funding for new functions like an Office of Internal Audit that didn’t exist before. He notes the installation of an entirely new leadership team from his predecessor and asserts that where he can take action, he will to hold people accountable by removing them from the chain of command. The exchange ends with an invitation to speak further, though the remark is truncated: “Gentlemen, ladies, time to speak to the….”

- "Do you know who Ray Epps is, and where is he? And, is he sitting behind bars like some of these other, protesters who've been sitting there without bail for so long?" - "And what we need to know is whether or not that cooperation existed on January 5 and January 6 to get people to do things that they might otherwise not do, like enter the capital." - "We already know as a consequence of reporting in revolver.news and in re really, that was confirmed by the New York Times that there were people texting their handlers from the crowd in January 5 and January 6." - "Now we just need to know whether the folks being controlled by the federal government were, in fact, the very people that were doing the worst things on January 6."

The speaker discusses how they can potentially entrap individuals, including pro-lifers, through manipulation and social media tactics. They mention targeting political commentator Alex Jones and causing financial harm to him. Additionally, they reveal that FBI agents were present undercover at the January 6th Capitol riot. The speaker implies that the FBI's involvement in such events is kept secretive.

Senator Johnson and I allege that your predecessor left the FBI politicized, and I publish whistleblower records about Arctic Frost. Arctic Frost was opened and approved by FBI agent Thibault and became Jack Smith's elector case against Trump, but it broadened to Republican organizations. The targets included the Republican National Committee, Republican Attorneys General Association, and Turning Point USA among them; 92 Republican targets were placed under Arctic Frost. Arctic Frost was not just a case to investigate Trump but a vehicle to probe entire Republican political apparatus. I have exposed 'the political way in which Peter Navarro was investigated and prosecuted.' When Thibault learned that Biden's DOJ would prosecute Navarro, he said, 'wow. Great. That's a quote, unquote.' Through whistleblowers, I obtained an audio recording of Special Agent Giogardina and Special Agent Gardner delivering a subpoena to Navarro, and I’m making audio public today.

The speaker questions the FBI's practice of tipping off the subject of a search warrant before it is executed. They inquire about the FBI's contact with the protective detail of individuals and the potential undermining of investigations. The speaker expresses frustration with the lack of answers and accuses the FBI of a cover-up. Director Wray requests a 5-minute recess. The speaker acknowledges the frustration but explains that policies prevent discussing ongoing investigations. They mention that these policies were strengthened under the previous administration. The speaker concludes by stating that there is an obligation to call out corruption.

The speaker claims that Biden's Justice Department placed mothers on FBI and terrorist watch lists for advocating against certain school curricula. They state these mothers were labeled as terrorists for their activism. The speaker urges listeners to examine the Justice Department's actions. They then mention Biden's pardon of his son and his statement that the Justice Department has been politicized.

The speaker discusses the selective evidence and rigged cases surrounding the January 6th incident at the Capitol. They argue that the prosecutors, DOJ, and FBI have created a two-tier system of justice by hiding certain evidence and distributing others to maintain a false narrative of an insurrection. They also mention the attempt to remove Donald Trump from the ballot and highlight the connections between the law firm representing the group pushing for his removal and individuals like Sally Yates, Rod Rosenstein, and Gina Haspel. The speaker questions the logic behind accusing Trump of insurrection when he did not order the deployment of the National Guard.

Ms. Monica, the number 2 person in the Department of Justice, is questioned about the partisan nature of the department and its failure to enforce certain criminal statutes. Specifically, the speaker focuses on 18 USC 1507, which prohibits influencing judges through picketing or parading near their residences. The speaker accuses the DOJ of not prosecuting violations of this statute, despite numerous protests outside Supreme Court justices' homes. Ms. Monica denies this claim, stating that the attorney general has directed the US Marshals Service to enforce all federal laws and prioritize the safety of the justices. The speaker argues that a written presentation contradicts this, emphasizing that the goal is to avoid arrests and prosecutions. Ms. Monica disagrees with this interpretation.

Mario, the head of the Proud Boys, received a 22-year prison sentence despite not being present at the January 6 protests. The media's demonization of the Proud Boys influenced the jury's decision, adding years to his sentence. The group was portrayed as a Trump-style paramilitary organization leading up to the 2020 election. Trump's refusal to disavow them during a debate further fueled negative media coverage. These media cycles shaped the jurors' perception of justice, resulting in biased trials. The constant media hate creates a lasting impact, leading to prosecution factories in places like D.C., the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York, and Delaware, where dissidents are being targeted. Prosecutions will only cease when there are prosecution factories on the opposing side.

The speaker claims "they" wanted to make an example of Garrett O'Boyle and send a message, disregarding his six years of army service, including time with the 101st Airborne and selection for a special unit. According to the speaker, "they" suspended O'Boyle the day he arrived at his new job, preventing his family from accessing their belongings, to send a message. This allegedly occurred because O'Boyle reported the first major mistake of the administration as a whistleblower, specifically regarding the school board issue and the Biden administration's actions. The speaker states that the FBI investigated 25 parents reported via a snitch line but prosecuted none. O'Boyle came forward because he believed the federal snitch line was wrong. The speaker also alleges the FBI, via a memorandum from the Richmond field office, spied on Catholics who are pro-life and pro-family, placing people inside the church to spy on fellow citizens.

The speaker claims to have found documents related to Jim Comey that were not where they should have been. The speaker says these documents are unflattering to Comey. The speaker asserts that Comey disgraced the FBI numerous times with his role in crossfire hurricane and other abominations. The speaker finds it stunning that Comey continues to attack their leadership when they are cleaning up the mess Comey created and continue to find things from his era.

Speaker 0: "What I'm saying is a reasonable suspicion is that there were agents. There's a video showing a guy with an earpiece pulling people into the building. Alright? Mhmm. You combine that with the evidence of Ray Epps, and it looks like you have a preponderance of evidence suggesting there may have been federal law enforcement involved in making that thing happen." Speaker 1: "I'll get you beyond a reasonable doubt. Two pieces of information. Ray Epps was on FBI's most wanted list one day, and the next day, he was off of the FBI's most wanted list. There are only two ways that happens. You die or your informant." Speaker 1: "Put that aside. Under congressional testimony, Jill Sanborn, who I used to work with, the head of the FBI counterintelligence division in charge of all these investigations, testified under oath when senator Cruz asked her, flat out, were there federal agents involved with January 6? And she said, quote, senator, I can't answer that at this time." Speaker 1: "The reason she said I can't answer that is because of the same stonewalling they gave us during Russergate with Christopher Steelehauper and everybody else. It's the same narrative, and and I'm telling you they were there." Speaker 0: "You're so you're saying that she said I can't answer that because the answer is yes Yeah. And that would compromise whatever their operation was. Exactly."

Speaker 0 accuses the Democrat Washington DC establishment and mainstream media of gaslighting Americans and lying to them. He says Christopher Wray appeared at congressional testimony claiming ignorance about undercover FBI agents, and alleges that people were left in solitary confinement in the DC Jail for eighteen months without family visits, shaves, or haircuts. He claims the FBI and others orchestrated events to paint Donald Trump as a domestic terrorist and to portray Trump supporters as wild extremists, while agents within the crowd agitated and destroyed a peaceful protest, turning it into chaos in which people felt they were fighting for their lives. Speaker 0 asserts that four unarmed Americans were killed that day: Ashley Babbitt, Roseanne Boylan, Kevin Greeson, and Benjamin Phillips, and says the FBI set up their murders with no accountability. He mentions that President Trump posted about the alleged lying to Congress and predicts an impending federal indictment for Wray, and he says “Read the messages I left you in the DC jail walls. You deserve it. Sleep well on that metal mattress.” Speaker 1 responds with “That’s right,” then asks about plans for legal action, noting a $25,000,000 lawsuit and asking whether it has been filed. Speaker 0 explains they filed a form 95, an official notice to the FBI and DOJ seeking recompense and reconciliation, stating they are coming for recompense and the American people deserve redress for families of January 6 detainees and others whose lives were affected, including people whose careers were destroyed. He says they will be filing an official federal court lawsuit that week. Speaker 0 contends the DOJ and FBI are complicit in a cover-up intended to overthrow the government and describes a plan from January 6 to create a false insurrection narrative to use a constitutional amendment to block Trump from running for president, labeling this a coup d'etat amounting to subversion of the will of the American people. He asserts due process violations by Christopher Wray, including Brady material violations (exculpatory evidence withheld), and claims such evidence was hidden from them. Speaker 1 asks how long Speaker 0 was held, and Speaker 0 states he was held for four years and one thousand four hundred sixty-seven days without a trial, noting he has no criminal record and repeatedly asking why federal agents, DHS agents, and confidential human sources were not disclosed, asserting these omissions violated the Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments and amounted to cruel and unusual punishment without fair due process. He reiterates the duration: four years and 1,467 days in custody without trial.

Speaker discussed frustration with Judge Cannon during hearings related to special counsel Jack Smith's case against Donald Trump. Prosecutor David Harbach got visibly upset, pounding on podium and clapping hands in anger. Judge had to ask him to calm down. The special counsel team is upset that evidence is being unveiled, revealing details about the Mar a Lago raid. They are angry at Judge Cannon for making this information public, showing the investigation's corruption. One of the prosecutors usually keeps a cooler head.

After three weeks of training, the speaker received a litigation hold and a memo granting permission to fire probationary employees from the capital c section who had been moved within the office. The speaker was unsure if they were on the list. Upon returning to the office, colleagues shared their confusion. Two hours later, termination letters arrived, dismissing 15 assistant U.S. Attorneys. The speaker's letter cited their actions in prosecuting individuals involved in the events at or near the U.S. Capitol on 01/06/2021. It referenced an executive order from 01/20/2025 characterizing that work as a grave national injustice. The letter stated that the speaker's hiring hindered the acting U.S. attorney's ability to implement President Trump's agenda. The speaker believes Mr. Martin doesn't understand that U.S. attorneys represent the United States, not the president, and that firing 15 attorneys created a deficit in the office's ability to prosecute cases.

We were federal prosecutors on the Justice Department's Capitol attack investigation until the Trump administration fired us on January 31st. Why were we fired? Because we did our job. We followed the facts and the law. What we did was justice for 140 police officers wounded on January 6th, 2021. We were hired to prosecute cases from the riot, and none of our defendants were acquitted, which shows the evidence was overwhelming. But last month, the president pardoned even the most violent convicts, calling them "hostages." Letters of termination hit the Justice Department, calling the prosecution itself a grave national injustice. Anyone who has watched videos of January 6th knows that prosecuting the rioters was not the injustice. The injustice has been the Department of Justice turning its back on law enforcement officers, members of Congress, and all the victims affected.

John Nance and Hogan DeGidley discuss a recent FBI case and press conference. Patel’s FBI has been extremely transparent, and that transparency will continue to reassure the American people that information regarding this subject will flow as appropriate without jeopardizing the prosecution of the case. A key takeaway is the suggestion that forensic evidence could be the linchpin to identifying the suspect, despite millions of data lines to review; pieces such as DNA or a fingerprint related to the pipe bombs themselves may have been the actual “smoking gun.” There is emphasis on teamwork and the idea that information had been left to collect dust rather than being newly uncovered. AG Merrick Garland’s remarks are cited, highlighting that the evidence leading to the arrest had been sitting at the FBI for years. The FBI, along with US Attorney Piro and prosecutors, worked tirelessly for months sifting through evidence that had been at the FBI with the Biden administration for four years. The point is made that there was no new tip or new witness, just diligent police work and prosecutorial effort. Hogan DeGidley asks why the case wasn’t cracked during President Biden’s four years in office. The response suggests that it either couldn’t be done or wouldn’t be done, and that the American people suffered as a result. It is stated that this did not come from new evidence but from information already in the bureau and departments being sifted through. The discussion frames the case as a win for the administration, the FBI, and the DOJ, and a step toward transparency, accountability, and justice. They note that the attackers placed pipe bombs at both the RNC and DNC locations; the motives remain unknown, and questions about a possible Antifa link or other theories are mentioned as preliminary. Cash Patel is quoted as saying the FBI has committed to being the most transparent law enforcement operation in U.S. history while ensuring accountability in the courts with U.S. Attorneys and prosecutors. The aim is to divulge information when prudent and constitutionally permissible, safeguarding the case, to secure the nation’s capital and allow Americans to live in safe, secure neighborhoods. This is attributed to leadership from the FBI Washington Field Office. John Nance comments that Patel is doing a very good job and that the director’s social-media transparency is notable. He expresses encouragement about the FBI’s reform efforts and notes that the White House press narrative around January 6 is seen as misaligned with the pipe-bomb case. The arrest took place in Woodbridge, Virginia, a wealthy DMV suburb, prompting remarks about why the dots weren’t connected sooner.

In the discussion, Congressmen Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie were shown viewing the unredacted Epstein files on Capitol Hill, including material that had been previously redacted by the DOJ. The hosts question why large portions of the files were redacted and accuse Pam Bondi’s team of noncompliance with the Epstein Transparency Act. They suggest the move to foreground Bondi is a signal of political maneuvering to manage the release of the documents. Speaker 1 presents a Super Bowl ad urging the DOJ to release what the law requires, followed by a note that Epstein’s associate and alleged child sex trafficking figure Ghislain (Ghislaine) Maxwell appeared before Congress and invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the men who allegedly abused underage girls. Ro Khanna’s reaction is shared: Maxwell should not be in a cushy setting and should be sent back to maximum security. Speaker 2 emphasizes that, of the files released, the names of clients and coconspirators in the sex trafficking ring have not been disclosed, while victims’ names have been released. This is framed as either over-redaction or omission, with a claim that government names should not be redacted under the Transparency Act. Speaker 0 introduces Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who explains her perspective. She notes the urgency of transparency and states that victims deserve the truth, accusing the DOJ of failing to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act and calling out a persistent “battle” over the release of files even after the 2025 law. Speaker 3 (Greene) describes the impact of the disclosures, noting that the files reveal “violence, possibly murder,” and that survivors’ testimonies are harrowing. She recounts facing personal and political backlash for pushing disclosure, arguing that the administration and many Republicans have shifted their positions since the revelations. She asserts that the released files show that “the DOJ breaking the law” through redactions of names of former presidents, secretaries of state, and government officials, while leaving victim information exposed. Speaker 4 asks Greene about the possibility that the information might point to a broader, deeper network. Greene responds by stating that the files include FBI forms about Epstein, implying a level of official involvement, and asserts that the Trump administration has not released the information; she claims President Trump referred to the Epstein issue as a “Democrat hoax” and that Pam Bondi, who works for Trump, controls the release. Greene suggests the “independent counsel” would be the American people themselves, explaining distrust toward political figures and the two-party system. She shares that she would not vote to support foreign aid or a central bank digital currency, and notes the chilling effect of the retaliation she and Massey have faced from party structures, including loss of campaign staff and suggestions of political blacklisting. Speaker 0 asks about potential accountability or a special counsel and whether there might be more significant revelations. Greene predicts limited accountability, arguing that the president has influence over DOJ and other agencies, and that the people are the true independent counsel. She laments the “uni-party” dynamic and predicts continued resistance to releasing the full Epstein files. Towards the end, Greene reiterates that she does not plan to run for higher office and reflects on the broader political environment, emphasizing that the public’s demand for transparency could drive change. The dialogue closes with Greene expressing willingness to return and discuss further.