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Speaker 1 administered COVID-19 vaccinations but is unsure of the number. Speaker 0 suggests COVID is a hoax for depopulation, causing deaths and disabilities worldwide. Speaker 1 took responsibility to protect their company. Speaker 0 finds the revelations interesting.

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The speaker claims that the evidence around vaccines and autism in the U.S. consists of two flawed and fraudulent CDC studies. One study allegedly showed a statistically significant effect of the MMR vaccine, with 67% more boys receiving the vaccine on time being diagnosed with autism compared to those who waited until age three. The speaker says a whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward with this information in 2013 and 2014. The speaker also alleges that the Verstraten study in 2003 is flawed and fraudulent, accusing them of cherry-picking information from the Vaccine Safety Datalink. The speaker asserts there is a significant gap in the science around vaccines and autism, stating that safety cannot be determined by looking at one vaccine or component in isolation.

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In August 2014, Bill Thompson made an admission that the CDC had lied and hidden the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism. The account describes the interaction as unfolding “like a spy movie,” leading the narrator to secretly record phone conversations with doctor William Thompson. The recordings were made in Oregon because it is illegal to secretly record phone conversations in California. Doctor Thompson allegedly freely admitted that he had covered it up and that his associates at the CDC had also covered it up. Doctor William Thompson also stated that “Thimerosal causes autism like features,” and said that he was completely ashamed of what he did. He described that “the higher ups wanted to do certain things,” and that he went along with it. He named Colleen as the center director, Frank as the director of immunization safety, and Marshall as the branch chief, saying they were still all much more senior than him. Another claim stated that Doctor Julie Gerberding was the head of the CDC at the time, and that she later went on to a lucrative career at Merck, a manufacturer of the MMR vaccine. The transcript ends with an expression of disbelief at what was done, saying, “I cannot believe we did what we did, but we did.”

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Speaker asserts that "the state, however you define that, the military, CDC, Tony Fauci, Ralph Barack at the University of North Carolina created a weaponized virus. Correct? Gain of function research. They contracted it out to China, and it caused a pandemic around the world once it was released. The government created a weaponized virus that then got out and caused a global pandemic." They ask, "When are we gonna have accountability for that?" They seek accountability for "the COVID era," and for "the CDC has known since 1999 that vaccines cause autism, and they've covered it up for twenty six years." They ask, "How do we begin to have accountability?" and conclude, "You want to call it something different? Truth Commissions, criminal trials? You're I would love to comparing"

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Speaker 0 argues that anyone can file a complaint with a law enforcement authority for murder conspiracy and demand arrests and prosecutions. He points to a 2013 press release claiming that DARPA awarded Moderna Therapeutics up to $25,000,000 to develop messenger RNA therapeutics, noting that DARPA is the Pentagon and claiming the Pentagon bought, paid for, and envisioned these mRNA shots. He contends Fort Detrick was involved in developing COVID-19 at the UNC BSL-3 and asserts the Pentagon is on both sides of the argument, developing the weapon and the alleged vaccines. Speaker 1 asks whether there is any liability shield for deploying a biowarfare weapon and whether the narrative about congressional liability for Pfizer is a SIOP. Speaker 0 agrees that civil liability is separate from criminal liability, stating in his book Resisting Medical Tyranny that executives at companies developing these mRNA shots are guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder. He cites a Portugal report claiming that upwards of 300,000 Americans had been murdered by the mRNA Franken shots and invokes the JAB resolution, describing it as a Nuremberg crime against humanity and a violation of the Nuremberg Code. He defines a Nuremberg crime against humanity as murder, extermination, and other inhumane acts committed against civilians. Speaker 1 asks about liability for government officials who approved the vaccines. Speaker 0 says FDA officials who approved the shots could be indicted for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, noting the FDA’s involvement in developing COVID-19 as an offensive biological warfare weapon at UNC BSL-3, including a cited contract listing National Center for Toxicological Research and FDA as contributors. He claims the FDA, which approves the vaccines, was involved in this development. Speaker 1 questions the CDC and media accountability, noting the CDC’s recommendation of the vaccines and media promotion of boosters. Speaker 0 says the CDC, including Director Milensky (appointed by Biden, from Harvard Medical School), is complicit, and claims the CDC has a history dating back to the Reagan administration of handling offensive biological warfare projects, including shipping weaponized agents to Saddam Hussein with implications for U.S. troops after Gulf War I. Speaker 1 asks whether there are lawmakers with intel on gain-of-function biowarfare. Speaker 0 mentions Senator Rand Paul as having a strong understanding, but asserts that some lawmakers were threatened and obstructed after consulting him, recounting an experience with Walter Jones of the House Armed Services Committee who briefly engaged but then did not follow up, implying threats prevented action. Speaker 1 asks how citizens should respond, and Speaker 0 advocates reporting to sheriffs, district attorneys, and state attorneys, noting progress with a Collier County health freedom declaration. They discuss enforcement mechanisms, seizure, and incineration of stockpiles, and trial and sentencing for those responsible. Speaker 0 condemns China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology as a bioweapons lab, alleging it was a Chinese counterpart to Fort Detrick, with the Chinese president seeking his own BSL-4 program and an offensive biowarfare arsenal. Speaker 1 notes U.S. funding and international bioweapons labs, including Ukraine and Taiwan, and ends by referencing Lindsey Graham and a speaker labeled as a professor Boyle.

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Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

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The transcript alleges that multiple senior FDA officials, not just Peter Marks, are “complicit.” It claims American people believed these officials, and that each day the officials lie “compounding the lie day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.” It says this makes honesty “less likely” over time. The speaker then references a member of Congress who “cut videos” tied to “the jab,” arguing the videos would “end the pandemic.” The transcript asserts that the advocacy for the injections “killed people” and “permanently disabled them,” adding that doctors, federal health officials, and Stephen Colbert “wouldn’t want to do that.” The speaker describes what they call a “global state of denial,” saying other governments relied on federal health officials and “forced it down there,” with administration mandates requiring the injections “in complete violation” of the Nuremberg Code, which the speaker frames as prohibiting forcing medical treatment. The transcript claims that people died as a result. It contrasts political claims about the pandemic, saying Biden blamed “the pandemic of the unvaccinated” while “losing patients,” and then asserting, “Now we’re losing patients too.” The speaker says the central issue is that “your injection didn’t stop transmission” and that “your injection killed people” and “permanently disabled people.”

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The speaker claims that when the rotavirus vaccine was approved, four out of five board members had direct financial interests in it, working for the companies that made the vaccine or receiving grants to do clinical trials on it. One board member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The speaker says that because it's now on the schedule, his developing vaccine is virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. The rotavirus vaccine that Offit voted on was withdrawn within a year because it was causing intussusception in kids. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker states that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186,000,000. The speaker says that Offit told Newsweek that he won the lottery and that it's been said of him that he voted himself rich.

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In February, I, Bill Thompson, admitted that the CDC lied and hid data showing the MMR vaccine's link to autism. I secretly recorded phone calls with Dr. Thompson in Oregon because California law prohibits secret recordings. Thompson confessed that he and his CDC colleagues covered up the data. Thimerosal causes autism-like symptoms, and I'm ashamed of my actions. Superiors directed certain actions, and I complied. Colleen, the center director, Frank, the director of immunization safety, and Marshall, the branch chief, outranked me. Dr. Gerberding, then CDC head, later joined Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. I was in disbelief at our actions, but they happened.

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Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

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Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

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"Roll back in the time machine to August 2014, that is when Bill Thompson made the admission that the CDC had lied and hid the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism." "Doctor Thompson freely admitted that he had covered it up and his associates at the CDC also covered it up." "Thimerosal causes autism like features and that's the way I would say it." "I'm completely ashamed of what I did." "Colleen is the center director. Frank is the director of immunization safety, and Marshall is the branch chief." "Doctor Julie Gerberding was head of the CDC at the time. Coincidentally, she went on to a lucrative career at Merck, the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine." "I'm like, oh my god. I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."

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The speaker states that they believed Pfizer had two legal definitions for their jab for nefarious reasons, suspecting one would be used for FDA approval while the other, containing SV40, would be released to the public. This suspicion stems from the 1950s polio vaccine contamination with SV40. The speaker recounts how Dr. Ochsner tested the polio vaccine on his grandchildren, resulting in one death and one case of polio. Ochsner then alerted the "industrial military complex" to the problem. Dr. Bernice Eddy at the NIH discovered SV40 contamination in the polio vaccines but was silenced after revealing it. The speaker distrusted the COVID response due to this history and suspected Pfizer's use of the SV40 promoter. Kevin McKernan later tested expired vials and found SV40, suggesting a deliberate scheme to harm people who received the jab.

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A speaker played a recording of a conversation where another person recalled a discussion about removing aluminum from vaccines. According to the speaker, vaccine companies were once very close to removing aluminum. The speaker claims that all the big vaccine companies were at the same table because they had the same interest to defend. The speaker suggests that banning aluminum would deeply trouble vaccine companies, completely changing manufacturing, clinical studies, and everything else. The speaker recalls that the companies argued that removing aluminum would cause a tremendous deficiency in vaccine supply, leading to the deaths of children in Africa. The speaker states that the WHO was also very much involved.

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In August 2014, Bill Thompson admitted that the CDC lied and hid the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism. The conversation with Thompson felt like a spy movie and led to a secret recording of phone conversations with doctor William Thompson, made in Oregon to avoid California’s ban on secret recordings. Thompson freely admitted that he had covered up the association, and that his associates at the CDC had also covered it up. Simerosal was described as causing autism-like features, and the speaker expressed personal shame, stating that higher-ups wanted to do certain things and that they went along with it. The individuals named as being higher up are Colleen (the center director), Frank (the director of immunization safety), and Marshall (the branch chief), all described as much more senior than the speaker. Julie Gerberding, who was head of the CDC at the time, is mentioned as coincidentally moving on to a lucrative career at Merck, the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine. The speaker concludes with a strong emotional reaction, saying, “I cannot believe we did what we did, but we did.”

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Kendall asks for an explanation of the process by which the MMR vaccine causes autism, referencing the movie Vaxxed. Speaker 2 responds that they are currently researching those questions, as parents and physicians have reported children developing autism immediately after the MMR vaccine. The speaker claims studies that should have been done long ago were not. Instead, the speaker alleges that captured researchers at the CDC, mainly people who work for the pharmaceutical industry, produced bad epidemiological studies. The speaker asserts that these studies deliberately avoided comparing health outcomes in vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. Speaker 0 states that this is one of the things they are studying now with gold standard science. Speaker 2 confirms they are doing gold standard science, which includes replication. They are allocating about 20% of their budget to replicating studies. Speaker 0 explains replication as an independent group repeating a study with the same parameters and data sets to achieve the same result. Speaker 2 agrees.

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Bill Thompson admitted the CDC lied and hid the MMR vaccine's association with autism. Thompson's revelations felt like a spy movie, leading to secretly recorded phone conversations in Oregon, where such recordings are legal. Thompson admitted to covering up data, along with his CDC associates. Thompson stated that Thimerosal causes autism-like features and expressed shame for his actions, stating that "higher ups" directed certain actions, including Colleen Boyle, Frank DeStefano, and Marshall Kappel. Julie Gerberding, head of the CDC at the time, later pursued a lucrative career at Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. Thompson expressed disbelief at their actions, but acknowledged, "we did."

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the corruption of science, which I believe you just said. That is almost your number one goal. Right? Is try to bring integrity and credibility back to science, which has been corrupted by the people who pay for it, by federal health agencies being captured by pharmaceutical industries, by big pharma, by big food. In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia children looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeStefano, who’s the head of the immunization safety press, ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies. And we're going to change that right now.

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A doctor named William Thompson contacts someone and expresses shame about a fraudulent MMR study conducted by the CDC. The study allegedly covered up the link between vaccines and autism. A parent shares their experience of their child's adverse reaction to vaccines, resulting in loss of motor skills and behavioral changes. Thompson plotted data that showed a separation between MMR and autism diagnoses at 15 months, indicating a potential risk. The CDC is accused of knowing about this risk but continuing vaccinations unchanged. The consequences of this cover-up are described as grievous harm to children and a predicted increase in autism cases.

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The speaker claims a committee experienced typical conflict, but a specific conflict was particularly obvious. The Office of Inspector General and Congress investigated and urged change, but nothing happened. The speaker asserts this group committed medical malpractice by approving vaccines, increasing the number from 11 in 1986 to 69 and then 92. They state that, except for the COVID vaccine, none had pre-licensing safety trials with a true placebo. According to the speaker, these vaccines were introduced without safety studies, meaning the risk profiles are unknown. The speaker attributes this to corruption and agency capture.

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- In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta Fulton County, Georgia children, looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. So in other words, kids who got them before thirty six months and kids who got them afterward. - The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. - The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeSteveno, who's the head of the immunization safety press, and ordered to destroy that data. - And then they published it without that fact.

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Senator Johnson obtained a large trove of FDA documents that were partially redacted and had been withheld from his investigation committee. His staff reviewed the material and quickly found the issue referenced in a clip: “masking,” described as an artifact that prevented the FDA from denying that adverse events were occurring. This masking problem was tied to a specific data analysis artifact uncovered by Bill Dumashell, formerly head biostatistician of a major corporation that performs this kind of data analysis. Dumashell had worked at the FDA with three others, and the transcript speaker says they were communicating with those individuals at the time. The transcript speaker explains that, after Tucker, who is described as a friend of the speaker, the senator’s staff discovered confirmation that Peter Marks (head of CBER) was made aware of the masking-related data analysis problem and suppressed the information. The speaker says Marks told the system developers, including Dumashell, how to overcome the masking issue, then shut Dumashell down and ignored information they uncovered when they corrected the error in the FDA’s data analysis systems. Speaker 0 asks whether there is direct evidence that Marks or others were coerced by CBER, Pfizer, Moderna, or others to keep the issue quiet, asserting that vaccine safety signals were swept aside and hidden from the American people. Speaker 1 responds that there is no “smoking gun” the speaker is aware of, while noting that such evidence could exist in archived, redacted, or withheld FDA emails. The speaker says the FDA asserts it disclosed everything relevant to the senator’s query but did not disclose many emails corresponding to communications between the speaker and the same team, which the senator allegedly detected almost immediately after the speaker began discussing the issue with him. The speaker adds that the emails may or may not be deleted, and that the speaker’s manuscript, “The Grift,” argues it was not necessary for there to be formal relationships. Instead, the speaker points to informal relationships, including a revolving door, stating that Marks took advantage of it by leaving government service at the FDA and then moving into an industry position afterward.

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In February, Bill Thompson admitted the CDC lied and hid the MMR vaccine's association with autism. Thompson's revelations felt like a spy movie, leading to secretly recorded phone conversations in Oregon, where such recordings are legal. Thompson admitted to covering up the link, along with his CDC associates. Thompson stated that thimerosal causes autism-like features and expressed shame for his actions, explaining that "higher ups" influenced his decisions. He identified Colleen, Frank, and Marshall as superiors involved. Julie Gerberding, head of the CDC at the time, later pursued a lucrative career at Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. Thompson expressed disbelief, stating, "I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."

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Speaker 0 says they found “information like this,” such as vaccine insert paper, with “nothing printed on it,” which they call disheartening and disgusting. They add that it “just keeps happening” and claim the CDC redacts “every single word” of a 148-page study on a myocarditis after COVID vaccination. Speaker 0 says they asked someone to print the study, and that the entire 148 pages are redacted. They ask what a study does if “there’s nothing there,” and they ask what might have been there that required redaction. Speaker 1 says they are “witnessing an active cover up” involving “a colossal consumer product safety debacle” affecting the entire world. They claim that in the United States, the CDC, National Institutes of Health, and FDA are actively involved in a cover up, and that similar cover ups are occurring in the UK with the MHRA, in Europe with European medicine agencies, and in Australia with the Therapeutic Goods Administration. Speaker 1 states that each company that puts out a product has an obligation to produce “ninety days of safety monitoring” after the product comes out, describing it as a regulatory dossier. They claim that if someone has a problem and reports it to a company like Pfizer, Pfizer must report, write down what happened, collate it into a report, and make it publicly available. Speaker 1 says that when the ninety days elapsed for Pfizer’s first vaccine approved on 12/10/2020, Pfizer “didn’t produce a report.” They add that people asked what was happening with the vaccine, and Pfizer allegedly would not disclose what happened, leading to a court case. Speaker 1 says the lawyer for the FDA stepped in to say they did not want to release Pfizer’s dossier for fifty-five years. Speaker 1 then says that after the plaintiff pushed, the Pfizer dossier “slowly” came out. They claim Pfizer recorded one thousand two hundred and twenty-three deaths with their product within ninety days of release, and they say people called Pfizer in desperation watching family members die after taking the vaccine. Speaker 1 also claims Pfizer recorded “over twelve hundred” new adverse events and refers to “doctor Boden” discussing problems they say they have been grappling with. They conclude by claiming the FDA worked to cover this up and should have been regulating the company with at least monthly meetings and full disclosure about novel vaccines, described by Speaker 1 as a genetic transfer technology platform and as the first time human beings were injected with foreign genetic material in world history, after which “they were getting it full on.” Speaker 1 ends by saying “Two thirds of the world’s population took”

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Speaker 0 says that with Secretary Kennedy as head of HHS, we have a unique opportunity to investigate the sins of the past, hold accountable all individuals responsible for cover ups not just this one, and clean up the mess left behind based on the lies about vaccines promulgated throughout society. We not only need to prevent this from happening in the future, but we also need to take care of the many families that suffered and continue to suffer losses at the hands of CDC fraudsters, some of whom are still employed by the agency. As a parent of an adult son who sustained lifelong, easily preventable, yet debilitating vaccine injuries, the speaker states that jail time is too good for these criminals who knowingly killed and maimed a generation of children. But if jail time is as good as it gets, the speaker says, let’s roll and they’ll break out the orange jumpsuits.
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