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Speaker 0 gave the FBI a thumb drive containing 29 minutes of high-definition video showing two men attacking a building. As of this morning, neither man has been arrested. Speaker 0 states that despite going through over 725 indictments, none of their video or even a single still picture of either man has appeared on the Internet. The FBI is allegedly refusing to take Speaker 0's calls, return emails, or accept an offer to meet. Speaker 0 believes the FBI is hiding these men. Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to inquire about the identities of these men. Speaker 0 confirms that Ben Grundler has all this information and that they have been in contact for over a year.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss an incident where a person named Ray Epps repeatedly urged them and others to go into the capital building. Speaker 1 recalls encountering Epps on January 5th during a protest outside BLM Plaza. Epps followed Speaker 1 and began instructing the crowd, famously saying they should go into the capital the next day. Speaker 0 also expresses readiness to go into the capital. Speaker 1 questions whether Epps was part of a scripted plan or an undercover agent inciting violence. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 emphasizing the need to go to the capital where their problems lie.

What needs to be established is whether the FBI and government agents used undercover operatives on January 6th. If evidence shows they had informants, it undermines the insurrection narrative. There’s reasonable suspicion of federal involvement, especially with video evidence of a person directing people into the building and the case of Ray Epps, who was briefly on the FBI's most wanted list. Two significant points support this: Epps’ sudden removal from the list suggests he may have been an informant, and FBI official Jill Sanborn's refusal to answer whether federal agents were involved indicates possible involvement. Her silence implies that confirming their presence could compromise ongoing operations.

The speaker is asked about a claim made by Steven Nayeroff, who said that when he was arrested, the FBI demanded information from him about various people, including the speaker. The speaker admits to not knowing anything about it until it came out publicly. They mention that there were many names on the list, but the press only focused on a few. The speaker reiterates that they had no knowledge of the situation.

Democrats say we need to find out exactly what happened on January 6, and actually we strongly agree with that. Thomas Massey of Kentucky confronted Merrick Garland with footage of a man called Ray Epps, who apparently lives in Arizona. Epps was in Washington the night before, January 5, encouraging Trump supporters to enter the Capitol Building illegally. "Here's a guy telling Trump supporters they need to break the law and go into the capital. That's real video." "And then they accuse him of being an undercover federal agent. That's pretty interesting." Massey asked, "Has he been indicted? Who or where is he exactly?" Garland refused to answer, saying he would not comment on an ongoing investigation or "how many federal operatives were there in the crowd that day." We don't know whether this Epps guy was working with the federal government. A Revolver News piece notes the FBI removed a photo of Epps from its most wanted page after their reporting; it says "Ray Epps is everywhere" on Jan 6, and "twenty seconds before the very first breach" he whispers. The FBI scrubbed Epps' face a day after Revolver reported on Rhodes; the host calls it "awfully weird" and invites Epps to appear.

Speaker 0 informs the individual they are being detained for violating conditions they did not break. The individual questions the reason for their detention. Speaker 0 asks if the individual understands the seriousness of the situation, to which they respond negatively. The individual requests identification from the officers, expressing confusion about where they are being taken. They question the officers' actions and ask for identification again. The individual seeks reassurance that they will not be harmed. The situation revolves around alleged violation of suspension conditions despite the individual's absence from social media platforms.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they gained any evidence after a certain point, to which Speaker 1 responds that they weren't collecting evidence. Speaker 0 then questions if they should be able to recall such information. Speaker 1 clarifies that they presented themselves as witnesses, not investigators, when they approached the FBI. Speaker 0 suggests that they made a complaint without evidence, and Speaker 1 disagrees, stating that they believed a crime had occurred in good faith. Speaker 0 interrupts and asks why they didn't talk to Ken Paxton, but Speaker 2 requests that Speaker 1 be allowed to finish answering. The transcript ends.

The discussion centers on whether January 6 violence was an FBI operation. Speaker 0 denies that the violence at the Capitol was part of any operation orchestrated by FBI sources or agents. Speaker 1 asks if the FBI had an engagement with embedded agents; Speaker 0 repeats denial. Several speakers challenge the lack of answers about how many agents were present, suggesting informants were involved. Speaker 5 says "attorneys for the Proud Boys revealed at least 40 undercover informants were doing surveillance on the defendants that day, including 13 working in the DC Metro Police." Plainclothes MPD officers on Capitol Grounds are referenced. Speaker 6 says he provided high-definition video to lawmakers and accuses the FBI/DOJ of ignoring it; he describes an open window and an operative pulling it. Speaker 7 concludes: "it was the FBI and not Trump supporters who led the insurrection of the Capitol on January 6."

In this video, there are discussions about the involvement of FBI agents and informants in the events of January 6th. Questions are raised about whether they committed crimes or encouraged violence. The focus then shifts to a man named Ray Epps, who was initially on the FBI's most wanted list but was later removed. The video also shows footage of individuals removing fences and discusses how easy it was for people to be drawn into the breach site. The brother of a man involved in the Capitol insurrection is interviewed, highlighting their political differences. There are also mentions of Antifa and questions about Speaker Pelosi's involvement. The video concludes with criticism of the January 6th committee's refusal to ask important questions.

The speaker and his friend are discussing the chaos at a rally. They mention being told to stay by the Secret Service and witnessing a shooting. They talk about being armed and finding cover behind a tree. They mention a man in a red truck causing trouble and a potential second shooter. The speaker recalls hearing radio communications about a shooter on the roof and blood in the bathroom. They discuss surveillance footage and the speaker's upcoming visit to the FBI building. The speaker is shocked to learn that they were near the subject in the footage. They arrange a meeting time and express disbelief at the situation.

An individual questions whether an action is due to a security concern or an intimidation tactic. The response indicates it is a security matter. Later, the individual asks why they are not being arrested and demands to see video footage. They express distress, stating "That is not okay." Another person urges calm. The individual mentions "FinCEO" and claims they will be arrested despite knowing nothing. They thank someone for their support and ask why another person isn't being arrested, claiming to have witnessed them slap someone. They deny anyone said "stab him." They state that even asking an impolite question could lead to arrest.

- "Do you know who Ray Epps is, and where is he? And, is he sitting behind bars like some of these other, protesters who've been sitting there without bail for so long?" - "And what we need to know is whether or not that cooperation existed on January 5 and January 6 to get people to do things that they might otherwise not do, like enter the capital." - "We already know as a consequence of reporting in revolver.news and in re really, that was confirmed by the New York Times that there were people texting their handlers from the crowd in January 5 and January 6." - "Now we just need to know whether the folks being controlled by the federal government were, in fact, the very people that were doing the worst things on January 6."

Speaker 0 wants to know if they are being detained, stating they did nothing wrong. Speaker 1 says they were just standing and talking, and they don't know Speaker 0's name. Speaker 0 also doesn't know Speaker 1's name. Speaker 0 observes a perimeter, questioning if they did something wrong and suggesting it's like a crime scene. Speaker 0 asks if the situation involves them being at the capital.

The speaker asks if the FBI had communication with their agents during the Capitol attack, to which Speaker 1 denies any involvement. Speaker 0 then asks about "ghost vehicles," but Speaker 1 is unfamiliar with the term. Speaker 0 claims to have evidence of two buses used by FBI informants disguised as Trump supporters during the attack. There is a brief interruption from Speaker 2, who reminds everyone to stay within their allotted time. Speaker 0 objects to his question being cut off, stating that the buses were nefarious and filled with FBI informants. The transcript ends with Speaker 2 attempting to move on to the next speaker.

Speaker 0 asks Miss Sandburn about Ray Epps and his suspicious behavior during the January 6th incident at the Capitol. He mentions Epps chanting about getting into the Capitol and the crowd suspecting him of being a federal agent. Speaker 0 also brings up Epps whispering to someone who then tears down barricades. He questions whether Epps urged them to do so. Speaker 0 mentions the FBI's public post seeking information on individuals involved in violent crimes, including Epps, but later Epps disappears from the list. Speaker 0 expresses concerns about the government's involvement in encouraging illegal conduct on January 6th and asks if federal agents actively encouraged violence. Miss Sandburn denies any knowledge of such actions.

Speaker 1 questions the FBI's role, asking if their job is to defend Joe Biden or protect the country and uphold the constitution. Speaker 0 clarifies that the FBI's job is to protect the country, keep people safe, and uphold the constitution objectively. Speaker 1 accuses the FBI of being politicized and weaponizing the agency against the American people. Speaker 0 disagrees, stating that there are good people in the FBI and defends their actions. Speaker 1 questions why certain information was redacted, but Speaker 0 explains that redactions are made to protect sources. Speaker 1 expresses the need for transparency to address the perception of politicization.

Speaker 0 warns against entering a certain location. Speaker 1 discusses a video clip showing a broken window and the departure of the police. Speaker 0 clarifies that they heard the radio communication ordering the police to leave. Speaker 1 mentions an individual with red hair being confronted and identifies them as an undercover FBI agent. Speaker 0 confirms this and describes another clip where a crowd tries to enter the Capitol building. They mention being pushed and sprayed with pepper spray. Speaker 0 captures footage of an individual leaning against a doorpost. The transcript ends.

The speakers discuss the Capitol incident on January 6th and focus on a person named Ray Epps. Speaker 1 claims that Epps caused damage and was initially on the FBI's list of top twenty people involved. However, Epps allegedly used his contacts within the organization to remove himself from the list. Speaker 1 saw Epps on January 5th near the BLM Plaza in Washington DC, where there was a protest. Speaker 1 urges the FBI to investigate Epps further. Speaker 0 expresses skepticism towards the media and Speaker 1 offers to call them instead of providing a phone number. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 requesting a way to contact Speaker 1.

Speaker 0 questions the silence of fellow Democrats over an issue. Speaker 1 describes increased security by the FBI at a site and being asked to leave by them. The FBI is accused of trying to control information. Speaker 0 expresses a desire to hear from the Secret Service director.

A person asks John if he was at the Capitol. The person then asks John if he is with Black Lives Matter or right-wing people. John is on the phone during this exchange. The person asks again, "Are you Black Lives Matter?" Someone says John stated on the phone that he is not being charged with anything. The person repeats the question, "Are you Black Lives Matter, John?" John answers, "No."

Speaker 0: "What I'm saying is a reasonable suspicion is that there were agents. There's a video showing a guy with an earpiece pulling people into the building. Alright? Mhmm. You combine that with the evidence of Ray Epps, and it looks like you have a preponderance of evidence suggesting there may have been federal law enforcement involved in making that thing happen." Speaker 1: "I'll get you beyond a reasonable doubt. Two pieces of information. Ray Epps was on FBI's most wanted list one day, and the next day, he was off of the FBI's most wanted list. There are only two ways that happens. You die or your informant." Speaker 1: "Put that aside. Under congressional testimony, Jill Sanborn, who I used to work with, the head of the FBI counterintelligence division in charge of all these investigations, testified under oath when senator Cruz asked her, flat out, were there federal agents involved with January 6? And she said, quote, senator, I can't answer that at this time." Speaker 1: "The reason she said I can't answer that is because of the same stonewalling they gave us during Russergate with Christopher Steelehauper and everybody else. It's the same narrative, and and I'm telling you they were there." Speaker 0: "You're so you're saying that she said I can't answer that because the answer is yes Yeah. And that would compromise whatever their operation was. Exactly."

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if the FBI had any involvement with the violence at the Capitol on January 6th. Speaker 1 emphatically denies that the violence was orchestrated by FBI sources or agents. Speaker 0 then asks about "ghost buses," which are vehicles used for secret purposes in law enforcement. Speaker 1 is not familiar with the term. Speaker 0 claims that two buses that arrived at Union Station on January 6th were wiped clean and filled with FBI informants disguised as Trump supporters. Speaker 2 interrupts with a point of order, and the conversation becomes heated. The transcript ends with Speaker 0 expressing objection to his question being closed.

Speaker 0 claims to have video footage from January 6th of two federal agents attacking the Capitol. Speaker 0 states they have been trying to get the FBI to investigate for over a year, providing them with twenty-nine minutes of high-definition footage. Speaker 0 says the FBI has not arrested the agents, nor have their images appeared online. Speaker 0 claims the FBI refuses to accept a statement or view video from January 5th, 6th, and 7th. Speaker 1 says the FBI raided them twice, came to their home, and took their phones. Speaker 1 advises Speaker 0 to avoid the FBI if possible.

During the Capitol incident, a law enforcement officer recounts being attacked and called a traitor. Another person claims that the officer was actually an FBI plant, not in uniform, and carrying a Confederate flag. They believe the narrative is unraveling and demand the release of FBI files to reveal the true culprits.

Speaker 0 argues that the individual is late, then urges going into the capital, which is described as incitement and premeditated. The speaker asserts the person is on video stating, “we need to breach the capital” and says this is very relevant because people ended up doing it. The claim is that the individual is instigating violence, trying to provoke or catalyze illegal acts so that the government can arrest those involved, describing undercover federal assets as honeypots that goad people into committing crimes to enable arrests of people law enforcement wanted to arrest anyway. The speaker then questions if the DOJ or federal law enforcement is seeking an insurrection, conspiracy, or acts of violence aimed at undermining an act of Congress, and asks why they aren’t looking into this person, suggesting that a lack of interest implies he may be part of the government or federal law enforcement. The implication is that there could be a reason for not pursuing him other than him being unaffiliated, namely that he is working with law enforcement. Ted Cruz is described as addressing this in a Senate hearing, with the speaker plan to read a report from the New York Post. The report is quoted: “magically, mister Epps disappeared from the public posting. According to public records, mister Epps has not been charged with anything. No one has explained why a person videoed, urging people to go to the capital, a person whose conduct was so suspect, the crowd thought he was a fed, would magically disappear from the list of people the FBI was looking at.” The overall claim is that Mister Epps, who encouraged people to go to the capital, vanished from FBI attention without explanation, despite being photographed urging action and being suspected by the crowd of being a federal agent.