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Speaker notes that there is fear people want Trump to have done something gross with women, but 'I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They insist there is no indication, saying they've spoken to people 'close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The speaker adds, 'So I don't think it's about that.' They question why 'no one talking to Les Wexner?' and end with 'And' (truncated). The focus remains unclear.

The speaker was asked if Jeffrey Epstein worked for an intelligence agency and why a minute was missing from the jailhouse tape on the night of his death. Regarding the client list, the speaker stated the file is sitting on their desk to be reviewed, along with the JFK and MLK files. The tens of thousands of videos turned out to be child porn downloaded by Epstein and will never be released. The speaker has no knowledge of Epstein being an agent. Evidence showed he committed suicide. The missing minute from the video was due to the Bureau of Prisons resetting the video every night, and every night should have the same minute missing. They are looking for that video to release.

There is no credible information available. None. If there were credible information, I would have brought the case yesterday, specifically the allegation that he trafficked to other individuals. The information we currently have is limited, and therefore the conclusion based on the available material is that there is no one implicated. So, to restate the conclusion using the information at hand, the answer is no one. This assessment is based on the information we have, in the files, in the case file. Okay.

The questioner asked whether the public will learn the identities of the men who abused the girls connected to Epstein, with the information being released, and if not, why not; followed by a quick additional question. The questioner framed the issue as identifying the men who abused the young women through Epstein's activities. The official responded by challenging the assumption embedded in the question. They asked what it would mean to learn about “men that abuse these girls” and pressed to clarify that term. The official stated that, as of July and continuing to today, if the Department of Justice had information about men who abused women, they would prosecute them. They referenced ongoing work and restated that there is no “hidden tranche of information … that we know about, that we're covering up or that we're not prosecuting.” The official emphasized that they do not know whether there are men out there who abuse these women, noting uncertainty about whether such individuals exist or remain unidentified. The underlying point was that there is no claimed concealment of information or selective prosecution, and that the existence of further leads or prosecutions would be pursued if information were present.

The conversation centers on the ongoing examination of Jeffrey Epstein’s files and what they reveal, with a focus on disturbing content, coded language, and the reliability of the material. - The speakers note the FBI’s earlier claim that there was no sex trafficking, calling that claim gaslighting given the scale of material now public. They emphasize the last four file dumps as “unbelievable” in their volume and in the disturbing, often coded language contained within. - They discuss how widespread Epstein’s influence appears to be, noting that Epstein’s activities touch many high-profile figures across politics and business. Names that repeatedly surface include former president Bill Clinton (clearly named in one journal entry) and former president Donald Trump (referenced repeatedly, sometimes with redactions that leave the identity ambiguous). Other figures mentioned include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and Ivanka Trump, among others. They point out that some references are explicit, while others are obfuscated or redacted. - A central feature of the material is the use of code words to describe sexual abuse and trafficking. The participants give several examples: - The journal of a 16-year-old Epstein trafficking victim uses coded language; words like “yucky,” “gross,” and other terms are interpreted by an attorney as code for sexual assault. The journal explicitly mentions Chelsea Clinton in one passage and references to Bill Clinton, with the implication of inappropriate acts. - “Pizza” is repeatedly identified as a common code word in emails and journals, linked by some to the broader Pizza Gate lore, and sometimes paired with “grape soda” or “beef jerky” as coded references. They note that “pizza” appears over 900 times in some files, and “grape soda” is mentioned in the context of sexual references or secret messages. - The reliability and credibility of victims’ accounts are discussed. The 16-year-old victim’s journals include extraordinary claims (for example, about having Epstein’s child), and the speakers acknowledge that some allegations are “out outrageous” and may be difficult to corroborate. They stress the need for more forensic verification to determine what is authentically attributable to the victim and what may be embellishment or misinterpretation. They mention claims that a baby allegedly connected to Ghislain Maxwell and Epstein existed, but note that there is no independent corroboration of a child, while other entries discuss the possibility of egg freezing and related issues. - Redactions are scrutinized. Some names are clearly identifiable (e.g., Clinton, Chelsea), while others (including a Trump-related item) are redacted or partially disclosed. The hosts suggest the redactions may reflect AI-assisted and manual redaction, with some omissions caused by the sheer volume of material and potential misses during processing. They acknowledge that some files were removed after the initial release due to redaction errors, which complicates interpretation. - The discussion moves to Epstein’s personal network and possible roles as a liaison or intelligence asset. They observe Epstein’s connections to Middle Eastern figures and governments, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, and speculate about possible associations with Mossad, Saudi intelligence, and other agencies. They discuss Epstein’s travel history, mentions of forged or fake passports, and the possibility that he might have contemplated operating outside the United States. - The material includes extensive photographic and video evidence. The speakers remark on the sheer number of images and videos, the presence of many well-known individuals in Epstein’s orbit, and body-language cues suggesting Epstein treated others as objects for his pleasure. They note that even after his 2008 conviction, Epstein remained photographed in public settings, implying ongoing power dynamics and influence. - The possibility that Epstein is alive is entertained, sparked by references to a possible escape plan and by discussion of questions around his death. They analyze a document scribbled in jail that the speaker interprets as an escape plan, including references to red notices, visas, banks, and “blackmail,” and discuss the idea that the death could have been staged or influenced by external actors. They contrast this with official accounts that describe Epstein’s death as suicide, while acknowledging inconsistencies in the DOJ and inspector general reports, and noting new observations such as delayed camera activity and reports of document shredding. - They conclude that the scope of material is enormous (tens of thousands to millions of pages, images, and videos), with three point something million released out of six point something million known to exist. They caution that the released files likely represent the tip of the iceberg and emphasize the value of collaboration among investigators, journalists, and researchers to parse the data. - Throughout, Epstein’s associates—including Maxwell and high-profile figures in politics and entertainment—are repeatedly examined in terms of possible roles, affiliations, and complicity, alongside broader questions about intent, corroboration, and the interpretation of coded language within the files.

Speaker 0 asks: You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young young women to besides himself? Speaker 1 answers: 'Himself, there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals.' He adds that 'the information we have, again, is limited.' Speaker 0 presses: 'So the answer is no one?' Speaker 1: 'For the information that we have.' Speaker 0 clarifies: 'In the files?' Speaker 1 confirms: 'In the case file.' Speaker 0: 'Okay. Now'

The speaker was asked whether they had communicated with a long list of people in relation to Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. The responses were predominantly negative. Specifically, the named individuals were: Richard Khan, Darren N. Dyke, Sarah Kellen, Doug Band, Lawrence Summers, Huma Abedin, Noam Chomsky, Leslie Groff, Nadia Marcincova, John Luke Brunel, Alan Dershowitz, Kathy Rumler, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew), Peter Mandelson, Reid Hoffman, Karina Shuliak, Bill Gates, Eyud Barak, Woody Allen, Sandy Berger, Jess Staley, Paul Morris, Leon Black, Sultan Ahmed bin Salim (listed as Sultan Ahmed bin Souliam in the transcript), Leslie Wexner, Jack Kessler, Mark Middleton, Harvey Weinstein, Ellie de Rothschild, Ariane de Rothschild, Lynn Forster de Rothschild, and any other members of the de Rothschild family. Speaker 1's replies were mostly “No,” indicating no communication with these individuals regarding Epstein or Maxwell. The dialogue includes an exception: Huma Abedin. In preparation for the hearing, Speaker 1 acknowledged having talked to Huma Abedin about this topic, with the explicit question, “Have I ever talked to her about this in preparation for this hearing? I have.” Outside of that preparation conversation, Speaker 1 stated, “Not that I recall.” There is also a moment where Speaker 1 comments on familiarity with the list: “No. I don't know most of these people. Should I tell you that I don't know who they are or just tell you I never talked to them?” This reflects uncertainty about the identities of several individuals and a preference for simply answering that they never talked to them. Finally, the inquiry regarding the de Rothschild family elicited a uniform response of “No,” including a specific question about “Ellie de Rothschild,” “Ariane de Rothschild,” and “Lynn Forster de Rothschild,” followed by “Any other members of the de Rothschild family?” with the reply “No.”

The speaker asserts that there are thousands of hours of tape that are child pornography, and the FBI is not releasing them because the tapes do not show underage people with third parties on Epstein Island; according to the speaker, “those tapes are just child porn,” and that is why they are not being released. Regarding the Epstein list, the speaker says sources in the federal government have seen documents and claim there is no Epstein list. Instead, there is a “black book of Jeffrey Epstein contact,” and most of the contacts are already public, with names such as Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz commonly mentioned. The speaker claims that, according to the DOJ and the FBI, there is no evidence that any of those third parties were trafficking girls to them. The speaker then references Tucker Carlson asserting that Mossad was involved, noting that this is a hot internet speculation without evidence. In addressing this, Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, is cited as stating with 100% certainty that the accusation Epstein “worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.” Bennett reportedly told the speaker that the Mossad has not been active in the United States since the Jonathan Pollard scandal of 1987, when a US army contractor working for the Navy revealed classified information to the Israeli government and was imprisoned for nearly thirty years. According to Bennett, Israel has not spied on the United States since then.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, the public would have seen them. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Jeffrey Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. They state that no victim will ever get released due to the volume of evidence. The speaker concludes that the FBI is diligently processing this evidence.

Speaker 0, Jeffrey Edward Epstein and my residence address is 6100 Red Hook Boulevard in Virgin Islands. Speaker 1: Is it true that you forced Virginia Roberts to have sex with numerous friends of yours? Speaker 0: Wouldn't love my fifth amendment right. Speaker 2: You had a number of meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, who, when you met him ten years ago, he was convicted of soliciting prostitution from minors. Speaker 3: And, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners regretted having those dinners. We did what we did because we wanted to see Epstein go to jail. He needed to go to jail. Were there young women in another part of the house giving massages, when I wasn't around? I have no idea of that. Speaker 1: Sent him three 12 year old girls from France who spoke no English for defendant to sexually exploit and abuse. After doing so, they were sent back to France the next day. Speaker 0: Please, they never saw a young underage woman. Speaker 3: You know, those meetings were were a mistake. They didn't result in what he purported, and I cut them off. You know, that goes back a long time ago now. There's you know, so there's nothing new on that. Speaker 2: We now know that he was and had been procuring young girls for sex trafficking. Speaker 0: We now know that. At the time, there was no indication to me or anybody else. I kept my underwear on during the massage. I don't like massages particularly. Speaker 3: If we had had more transparency, perhaps this case would have gone differently. Speaker 2: It was reported that you continued to meet with him over several years. Speaker 3: You know, I had dinners with him. I regret doing that. Speaker 0: You have what's been described as an egg shaped penis. Speaker 3: Well, he's dead. So, you know, in general, you always have to be careful.

James Palmer claimed yesterday that all the Epstein files are missing and asked for confirmation, noting that some have not heard back. The response: No. The FBI is reviewing; there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and there are hundreds of victims. And no one victim will ever get released. It's just the volume, and that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that. The speaker says they haven't seen that statement but will call Palmer later and find out.

James Palmer stated the Epstein files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography, involving hundreds of victims. No victim's information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently reviewing the videos. The speaker has not seen Palmer's statement but will follow up.

Speaker 0: You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young young women to besides himself? Speaker 1: Himself, there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the in information we have, again, is limited. Speaker 0: So the answer is no one? Speaker 1: For the information that we have. Speaker 0: In the files? Speaker 1: In the case file. Speaker 0: Okay. Now

The transcript presents two contrasting points. First, it states that there is no credible information that he trafficked them to anyone else. Second, it notes that, according to victims who cooperated with the FBI in that investigation, documents in FBI possession, your possession, detail at least 20 men to whom Jeffrey Epstein trafficked victims. Among those named is mister Jess Staley, CEO of Barclays Bank, indicating that Epstein trafficked victims to him. The list also includes at least 19 other individuals, spanning a range of professions and high-profile positions. The described categories of people named in the documents include a Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, a royal prince, a high-profile individual in the music industry, a very prominent banker, a high-profile government official, a high-profile former politician, an owner of a car company in Italy, a rock star, and a magician. The enumeration further specifies that at least six billionaires are among those listed, including a billionaire from Canada. In summary, the transcript claims that while there is no credible information of trafficking to other parties, FBI-linked documents enumerate a network of at least 20 men connected to Epstein’s trafficking of victims, with Jess Staley explicitly identified as one of the recipients. The rest of the named individuals span diverse and prestigious sectors—entertainment, royalty, finance, government, politics, automotive business, music, magic, and extreme wealth—highlighting a broad and varied set of possible associations. The allegations are presented as claims from victims who cooperated with the FBI, and the list is described as detailing those individuals to whom Epstein trafficked victims.

James Palmer said yesterday that all the Epstein files are missing. The other person asks to confirm and notes some people haven’t heard from them. The response: No. The FBI, they're reviewing there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and there are hundreds of victims. And no one victim will ever get released. It’s just the volume, and that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that. The speaker adds, I haven't seen that statement, but I'll call him later and find out.

The speaker claims the FBI isn't releasing tapes from Epstein Island because they contain child pornography, not evidence of underage people with third parties. According to the speaker's sources, there is no "Epstein list," only a black book of contacts, most of whom are already publicly known. The speaker states that the DOJ and FBI have found no evidence that these contacts were involved in trafficking. The speaker references Tucker Carlson's assertion that Mossad was running Jeffrey Epstein. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett stated that the accusation that Epstein worked for Israel or Mossad is false. Bennett claims Mossad has not been active against the United States since the Jonathan Pollard scandal in 1987.

There is no client list detailing people Jeffrey Epstein trafficked. Instead, there is a redacted FBI affidavit from accusers accusing various people of improper sex. The speaker, as the former lawyer involved in investigations, knows the identities of those redacted, but claims none are public figures currently in office. Some were previously in office, and some are dead. The redactions are the result of court orders from two judges in Manhattan protecting alleged victims. Pam Bondi, the Justice Department, and Donald Trump are not responsible for these redactions, and the speaker is unaware of any undisclosed information they could release. The speaker claims the vast majority of names in the files are already public knowledge, appearing in articles and books. The speaker believes the media has not done enough to find the people already disclosed in the public record.

Speaker 0 states that there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. So the answer is no one? For the information that we have. In the files? In the case file. Okay.

The speaker confirms that all the Epstein files are missing. They state the FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. The speaker claims no victim's video will ever be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is described as diligently reviewing the videos. The speaker then states they haven't seen that statement.

Speaker 0 suggests that if video evidence existed of someone committing felonies on an island, it would be public knowledge. Speaker 1 claims there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography, involving hundreds of victims. They state that no victim information will be released due to the sheer volume of material, which the FBI is currently processing.

James Palmer stated that all the Epstein files are missing. The speaker clarified that some files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. No victim's information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently reviewing the files. The speaker hasn't seen James Palmer's statement.

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, they would be released. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. The speaker states that no victim information will be released due to the volume of evidence. They claim the FBI is diligently going through this evidence.

James Palmer stated that all the Epstein files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. No victim information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently going through the evidence.