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Speaker 0 asserts: it's a terrible, unspeakable evil, and he believes that himself. When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down. The president knows.

Speaker notes that there is fear people want Trump to have done something gross with women, but 'I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They insist there is no indication, saying they've spoken to people 'close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The speaker adds, 'So I don't think it's about that.' They question why 'no one talking to Les Wexner?' and end with 'And' (truncated). The focus remains unclear.

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein is dead and "was never a big factor." The speaker believes the case is "pretty boring stuff" and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. The speaker suggests that "only pretty bad people, including fake news, wanna keep something like that going." They state that if there's credible information, "let them have it." The speaker then pivots to a question about AI.

Speaker 0 says that more than a decade ago, President Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago and was one of the few prominent people reportedly willing to help law enforcement go after Epstein, who is described as a disgusting child abuser and sex trafficker. They say this is common knowledge.

Speaker addresses rumors that 'Trump did something gross with women' and says, 'I I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They assert they've seen no indication of it and have spoken to people, 'to be totally honest with you, close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The remarks emphasize that the issue isn't about that alleged conduct. The speaker then questions, 'But why is no one talking to Les Wexner?'

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

Speaker 0 discusses Jerry Epstein and the Lolita Express, claiming Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s planes “like, on 20 flights,” and alleging Clinton flew to a Middle Eastern country with a “chic that's admitted pedophile with multimillion dollar checks and Bill Clinton on the plane.” They state Clinton is a “known sexual predator” and reference lawsuits against Donald Trump with Jane Does alleging involvement with Epstein, saying there was no proof in the law because they log flights on private jets, and asserting Trump “had been a defuse” (likely misstatement) of these claims. Speaker 1 shifts to John Podesta, describing him as a “progressive guru” and alleging he is connected to an “underage sex slave op,” and mentions “cover upper defending unspeakable dregs.” They question what MMFA is, and Jamie asks what it means. The term MMFA is identified in the dialogue as Media Matters. The speakers then discuss Soros and connect him to ownership of a pizza place where “this all went on.” They claim Media Matters’ head guy, David Brock, has a boyfriend and that the organization hosts major Democratic Party fundraisers. They mention “rock bands there” performing “live Spoken word dissertations of the love of children,” including references to men in goth drag speaking about their love for children. The speakers acknowledge not wanting to repeat some content and suggest they could pull up more footage of these claims. Speaker 1 asks rhetorically why this is such a bizarre subject and comments on the overall strangeness of the topic. Overall, the transcript presents an interwoven set of unverified allegations involving prominent figures (Epstein’s associates, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, John Podesta, Soros, and Media Matters), claims of underage sex operations, and allegations about events at a pizza place tied to Media Matters, including reportedly graphic performances by performers discussing love of children. The speakers imply a broader conspiracy or cover-up framework linking political figures, advocacy outlets, and entertainment venues to illicit activities.

The speaker states he doesn't understand why his supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor in his life. He claims he doesn't understand the interest or fascination, especially since credible information has been given. He compares the situation to the "Mueller witch hunt" and the "steel dossier," which he claims was all fake. He finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. He suggests that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep the story alive, but says that if there is credible information, "let them have it."

The speaker defends himself against allegations and claims to have nothing to hide. He offers to release all evidence to prove his innocence. The interviewer brings up the association with Jeffrey Epstein, to which the speaker explains that he and his wife had massages at Epstein's house but denies any wrongdoing. He mentions that many prominent individuals also had massages there and that his friendship with Epstein was purely academic. The speaker argues that having a massage does not make him guilty and that the person making the allegations has admitted to possible mistaken identification. He concludes by stating that he and his wife are innocent.

Speaker 0: "I don't understand why it's a hostile act. I talked to president Clinton... I'm sorry, president, Trump back in 2009 and several times after that. He didn't think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He told me things that were helping our investigation." Speaker 1: "The only thing... Trump is the only person who, in 02/2009, picked up the phone and said, let's just talk. I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll tell you what you need to know and was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us. And then we didn't have to take a deposition of him." "So Do you know if there's any truth to James Patterson's claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago?" Speaker 0: "I've definitely heard that." Speaker 2: "Epstein was inappropriate with the member's daughter. I went to mister Trump and he threw him right out." Speaker 3: "So it's your understanding then that president Trump didn't know what Jeffrey Epstein was up to?" Speaker 0: "That is correct." Speaker 2: "Epstein liked stars... He loaned Clinton his plane at least on four occasions and it was, it had to do with the foundation." Speaker 4: "The pilot said Trump was on the plane; it was actually a trip from Mar A Lago to New York, not to the island." Speaker 0: "And our investigation wasn't looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn't treat this as a hoax. I want transparency." Speaker 3: "Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein? No."

The speaker mentions that there have been accusations against President Trump regarding his involvement in certain activities, but Trump supporters tend to dismiss such claims. The speaker, who is a lawyer, states that they have no information or opinion on the validity of these claims. However, they do mention that in 2009, when they served subpoenas to various individuals, President Trump was the only person who cooperated and provided helpful information. The speaker is not aware of the truth behind James Patterson's claims about Trump kicking Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 0 pressed: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?' Speaker 1 responded: 'I have never spoken to president Trump about the Epstein files.' Speaker 1: 'The attorney general and I have had numerous discussions about the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted by our team.' Speaker 1: 'And we have released where president Trump's name is the files.' Speaker 1: 'During many conversations that the attorney general and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have reviewed' Speaker 0: 'Question is simple.' Speaker 0: 'Who' Speaker 0: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'Why don't you try spelling it out' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no? Use' Speaker 0: 'the alphabet.' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'No. A b c.' Speaker 0: 'Question has been asked and answered.' Speaker 0: 'You've not answered it, and we will take your evasiveness as a consciousness of guilt.'

Discussion centers on why Epstein files aren’t public and reluctance; Tucker Carlson is mentioned. Speaker 1 says the president views it as "this is all a trap" and that it "reminds him of Russiagate"; "He had nothing to do with Epstein," and transparency "would have helped the country" and "the administration a lot." The other host wonders why fear of exposure matters. Speaker 1 testifies, "I knew Epstein. He did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." Epstein was "always around" with figures like "Ahud Barak is living there. He's got Stephen Hawking and he's got members of the British So Royal on that level," and "half the people on television hung out with Epstein." He notes Epstein had contact with Israeli, US, and "most critically British intelligence" and ends, "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed a lot."

Derek, a lawyer representing victims of Jeffrey Epstein, thanks the interviewer for their support. The interviewer asks about allegations against President Trump, but the lawyer states that the case was dropped before going to court. The lawyer shares that in 2009, Trump cooperated with their investigation and provided helpful information, showing no indication of wrongdoing. The interviewer asks about James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, to which the lawyer responds that he has heard the rumor but cannot confirm it.

Speaker 0 stopped representing Epstein after the deal was made and hasn't seen him in years. Introduced to Epstein by Lady Rothschild, Speaker 0 had an academic relationship with him, attending conferences and seminars. Once they learned about Epstein's other life, all social relationships ended. Speaker 0 became Epstein's lawyer and defended him, proud of representing controversial people. Some criticize the deal, but Speaker 0 defends trying to get the best deal possible. Speaker 0 denies ever meeting the woman who made allegations against Epstein, calling it a complete lie. Speaker 1 appreciates Speaker 0 joining to discuss the explosive story and the horrific allegations against Epstein.

Speaker 0 says it's "preposterous that we were talking about Hillary Clinton's emails again in the year 2025," that "they get activated," and that Trump won't be blamed for not releasing the Epstein files, "We spent years on this story." Speaker 1 counters, "No. Let let me you you had to take this story seriously for years, and it was false. It wasn't false." He asserts that "When Trump won in 2016, the intel community concluded that Russia didn't have a hand in his victory," but "Obama determined and wanted a new conclusion," sending "Brennan" to "come up with a new collusion," and insists "There was no proof." They claim "They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016." He adds, "The Democrats never cared about Epstein until they saw a political motivation," while noting "the right is more on top of Epstein" and that "We actually cared," concluding with "Save me your selective outrage."

Bradley Edwards, attorney for Jeffrey Epstein's victims, was asked about allegations against Donald Trump. Edwards stated that in his experience, Trump supporters are unwilling to consider claims of Trump's involvement with Epstein. When asked about the validity of claims against Trump, Edwards said he can only say that Trump was the only person who, upon receiving notice of a subpoena in 2009, offered to talk and provide information. Edwards stated that Trump was helpful, provided good information, gave no indication of involvement in anything untoward, and a deposition was not needed. Regarding James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, Edwards has heard that rumor, possibly involving a manager at Trump's club. The rumor alleges Epstein was attempting to pick up someone's daughter, but Edwards was unable to confirm it.

They if what people are saying they're afraid of is that Trump did something gross with women I I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true. I've seen any indication of it, and I've talked to people, to be totally honest with you, close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit. So I don't think it's about that. But why is no one talking to Les Wexner? And

The president questions why his supporters are so interested in the Epstein story and says he doesn’t understand the interest or fascination. Epstein is dead a long time and was never a big factor in life, and he doesn’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. He states that credible information has been given, and mentions the Mueller witch hunt and the Steele dossier as fake, asserting that all that information was fake. He describes the Epstein case as pretty boring stuff, sorted but boring, and doesn’t understand why it keeps going. He adds that only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going, and that credible information should be let them have it.

The transcript captures a short, informal discussion about Donald Trump’s handling of the Epstein files and the broader question of whether presidents protect rich and powerful people at the expense of victims in sex-crime cases. The dialogue unfolds between Speaker 0 and Speaker 1, with a recent history/politics flavor and an on-the-record moment later in the exchange. Speaker 0 begins by asking Speaker 1 how Trump fought to avoid releasing the Epstein files, noting that Trump initially indicated a release but then reversed course. Speaker 1 responds noncommittally, suggesting that Trump “probably” had friends who were involved and that Trump “saved them” from trouble. The question is framed as whether this constitutes presidential conduct—protecting powerful people rather than victims. Speaker 0 presses further, asking if protecting rich and powerful people over sex-crime victims is appropriate for a president, and whether such behavior is common in presidential history. Speaker 1 counters by pointing to historical examples, stating that many presidents have favored their friends and families, adding that while JFK’s affairs were noted, he claims Kennedy “got caught,” implying possible crimes. Speaker 0 acknowledges Kennedy’s infidelity but questions whether there were crimes, while Speaker 1 reiterates the point that Kennedy “got caught,” and asserts that such behavior is not becoming of a United States president. The conversation shifts toward evaluating current leadership: Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 agrees with Trump’s protection of powerful individuals at the expense of crime victims. Speaker 1 answers, “All depends on who the powerful people are,” suggesting a conditional view rather than a blanket condemnation or approval. The discussion then veers to the expectation that a president should serve all Americans, not just the wealthy, and Speaker 0 reiterates the moral question. Speaker 1, initially evasive about personal details, asserts that they are a state representative and holds a badge, claiming to work for their country. The exchange ends with a sense of irony in the narrator’s commentary: the “moral of the story” being that it’s acceptable for Donald Trump to protect rich and powerful men because he himself is rich and powerful, effectively equating protection of the powerful with personal parity. Overall, the transcript presents a back-and-forth debate about why presidents might shield powerful individuals, how historical precedents factor into current judgments, and whether leadership should be equally accountable to all segments of society, ending with a skeptical, wrap-up sentiment about the perceived fairness of such protections.

Speaker 1 questions why House Republicans haven't released Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book, which is under the FBI director's control, to expose alleged pedophiles. When asked if he would declassify the Epstein files, Speaker 1 says he would, but expresses concern about potentially affecting people's lives if the information is phony. Speaker 0 says the issue is bigger than Epstein, 9/11, JFK, or RFK, and asks who is on the Epstein tapes and in the black books, questioning why this information has been hidden. Speaker 3 mentions Donald Trump has discussed the DOJ potentially releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Speaker 2 claims that the release is under review, following a directive by President Trump, stating that everything will come out to the public because Americans have a right to know.

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor. The speaker believes credible information has been given and references the Mueller investigation and steel dossier as examples of fake information. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed, suggesting only bad people and fake news want to keep it going. The speaker states that if there is credible information, it should be released. The speaker is then asked a question about AI.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”