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The speaker asks if the Pfizer COVID vaccine was tested for its ability to stop virus transmission before being released. They request a clear yes or no answer and the data to be shared with the committee. The response states that they did not have prior knowledge of stopping transmission before the vaccine entered the market and had to rely on scientific research. Another speaker expresses outrage, claiming that people were pressured to get vaccinated based on the false belief that it would protect others.

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The government is being questioned for covering vaccine injuries inadequately. Concerns were raised about mRNA vaccines being contaminated with DNA fragments, making them genetically modified organisms. Professor Delglish warns that these vaccines may cause cancer relapses. He calls for a halt on mRNA vaccines and demands full disclosure of data. The speaker urges for transparency and ethical principles in pandemic management. The debate emphasizes the importance of following scientific evidence.

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All childhood vaccines will soon contain mRNA, making them gene therapies that alter genetics. The vaccines won't require reapproval or go through any additional processes. The focus is on integrating mRNA into every vaccine, which is concerning because it involves tinkering with genes. The speaker urges people to be cautious and not get any vaccines, emphasizing their strong opposition to it. The speaker believes that there is a significant amount of money involved in this shift towards gene therapies.

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The speaker presents evidence from Pfizer's website, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA's report to argue that mRNA vaccines are a form of gene therapy. They question why the mRNA vaccine was not tested for genotoxicity and why the Office of Gene Technology Regulator did not consider it as gene technology. The regulator responds that the question of genotoxicity should be directed to the Therapeutic Goods Administration, and explains that since the mRNA vaccines were imported into Australia and not manufactured there, they are not responsible for checking gene therapy. The speaker disagrees, citing Pfizer's statement about transfection being a part of gene therapy. The regulator suggests a difference in the definition of gene therapy.

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The speaker argues that genetic vaccines are totally unacceptable and defines the introduction of transgenes into the human body as gene therapy, questioning how this can be considered acceptable practice for creating vaccines. They assert that encapsulating messenger RNA in nanoparticles and administering it leads to off-target effects, with the effects starting from the ovaries to the brain, liver, spleen, and bone marrow. They emphasize that the biggest problem is going to the bone marrow and the reproductive organs like the ovaries, and then every possible organ. Regarding spike proteins, the speaker states that spike proteins are still detected in the rash after more than a year, which they interpret as evidence that messenger RNA is producing spike proteins. They contend that there is no way for a year-old spike protein to remain in the rash and be detected. Personal choices are also mentioned: they did not choose to get vaccinated because they think it was a foolish decision from the beginning. They have not even opted for the flu shot because they consider it an unwise choice.

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The Office of Gene Technology Regulator is questioned about gene therapies and the mRNA vaccines. The speaker presents evidence from Pfizer's website, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA's non-clinical report to support the claim that mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. The regulator deflects responsibility for testing genotoxicity and manufacturing processes conducted in other countries. The speaker highlights the contradiction in the regulator's statements and the disagreement with Pfizer's definition of gene therapy. The regulator argues that the definition of gene therapy is subjective. The conversation ends without a resolution.

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The speaker questions whether the mRNA complexes in the vaccines meet the definition of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) under Australian legislation. The response states that mRNA technology is not gene therapy and does not alter human DNA. The speaker insists on knowing if the possibility was examined, but the response reiterates that the vaccines are not GMOs. The speaker then asks if Pfizer has notified its underwriters about potential litigation, but the response is uncertain and requests further investigation. Another speaker presents a document from Pfizer's website stating that gene technology includes a process used in the COVID vaccine. The committee agrees to review the document and suggests sending additional questions to Pfizer.

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As the only doctor in the room, I feel the need to clarify that there is a clear distinction between gene therapy and an mRNA vaccine. The medical definition of gene therapy does not include mRNA vaccines. While Mr. Baudet is free to use whichever terms he prefers, it is important to correct this misinformation. Gene therapy is in a completely different stage of research compared to the development of this vaccine. Feel free to express your opinions, but I wanted to address this and set the record straight. Thank you.

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Many labs, including Medicinal Genomics, found DNA contamination in Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. Regulators like the FDA and EMA admitted to this, but downplayed its significance. The SP 40 sequences omitted by Pfizer are crucial. DNA contamination can cause insertional mutagenesis, as stated in Moderna's patents. Regulatory agencies were deceived and failed to properly address the issue. This poses a serious risk that cannot be ignored.

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The speaker discusses the issue of DNA contamination in mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and questions the FDA's handling of the situation. They explain that normally rigorous tests are required to ensure safety, but in this case, the FDA ignored those tests. The speaker also mentions that Moderna's own patent acknowledges concerns about DNA and insertional immunogenesis. They reveal that DNA fragments, including an antibiotic resistance gene and sequences from simian virus 40, were found in the vaccines. The speaker expresses shock at the FDA's lack of transparency and highlights the potential risks associated with DNA damage, such as cancer and birth defects.

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The Office of Gene Technology Regulator is questioned about gene therapies and the mRNA vaccines. The speaker presents evidence from Pfizer's website, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA's non-clinical report to argue that mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. The regulator deflects responsibility for testing genotoxicity and claims that since the mRNA vaccines were imported into Australia, they were not manufactured there. The speaker disagrees, stating that transfection still occurs in Australian citizens. The regulator disagrees with the definition of gene therapy and the reliance on the manufacturer's statements. The conversation ends without a resolution.

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The speaker discusses DNA contamination found in Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, highlighting regulatory agencies' failure to address the issue. They mention potential risks of DNA integration and cancer development, urging for a review of regulatory practices. Concerns are raised about DNA levels exceeding limits, potential cell integration, and long-term presence in the body. The speaker emphasizes the need for better monitoring tools and the unique nature of DNA contamination in these vaccines.

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Pfizer's own document, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA all acknowledge that mRNA vaccines are a form of gene therapy. The speaker questions why the mRNA vaccine wasn't tested for genotoxicity and why the Office of Genetic Therapeutics didn't consider it as gene technology. The response states that the TGA is responsible for approving the vaccine and the question of genotoxicity should be directed to them. It is clarified that the mRNA vaccines were imported into Australia and not manufactured there. The speaker disagrees, citing Pfizer's admission that transfection is part of gene therapy. The response disagrees with the speaker's interpretation.

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Pfizer's own website acknowledges that gene therapies involve a complex process, including transfection. The American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy defines the COVID mRNA vaccine as a gene therapy that introduces new genetic material temporarily. The TGA's non-clinical report confirms the use of DNA in Pfizer's manufacturing process. The senator questions why the mRNA vaccine wasn't tested for genotoxicity and why the Office of Gene Technology didn't review it as a gene technology. The Gene Technology Regulator states that the TGA is responsible for approving vaccine products and addressing genotoxicity concerns. They clarify that the mRNA vaccines were imported into Australia, and if manufacturing and gene technology were involved, approval would have been required. The Regulator disagrees with the claim that transfection occurs in Australian citizens. The Office of Gene Technology's role is limited to assessing containment and environmental risks.

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The Office of Gene Technology Regulator is questioned about gene therapies and the mRNA vaccines. The speaker presents evidence from Pfizer's website, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA's non-clinical report to support the claim that mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. The regulator deflects responsibility for testing genotoxicity and manufacturing processes conducted in other countries. The speaker highlights the contradiction in the regulator's statements and emphasizes that transfection, a part of gene therapy, occurs in Australian citizens. The regulator disagrees and questions the definition of gene therapy. The speaker concludes by relying on the manufacturer's statements.

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Speaker 0: I find information like this, you know, inserts for the vaccine. Paper's there, and there's nothing printed on it. I find that very interesting, disheartening, disgusting, and lots of other words, but then it gets better. It just keep wait. There's more. It just keeps happening. The CDC redacts every single word of a 148 page study on a myocarditis after COVID vaccination. So I asked research to print the study for me. 148 pages. The entire thing is redacted. What good does a study do if there's nothing there? Then I wanna know, wait, what might have been there that they needed to redact it? That's even scarier. Speaker 1: We're witnessing an active cover up of a colossal consumer product safety debacle that is is basically affecting the entire world. Mhmm. So in The United States, our CDC, National Institutes of Health, and the FDA are actively involved in a cover up. And the same is occurring in The UK with the MHRA, Europe with European medicine agencies, and Australia with the Therapeutic Goods Administration. Something is going on that's very big. Each one of these companies that puts out a product has an obligation to produce ninety days of safety monitoring after their product comes out. It's a regulatory dossier. If somebody has a problem with the new product and they call the company like Pfizer, Pfizer has to report, write down what happened, and they have to collate that in a report and produce it and make it publicly available. When it came to ninety days with Pfizer, the first vaccine that came out, remember Pfizer was approved 12/10/2020. Pfizer didn't produce the report. And then people started asking, well, what's happening with your vaccine? And Pfizer would not disclose what happened. And then it went to court. And the lawyer for the FDA stepped in and said they don't wanna release Pfizer's dossier for fifty five years. Mhmm. Oh. Fifty five years. And the the the plaintiff pushed. And finally, slowly, the Pfizer dossier came out. Pfizer recorded one thousand two hundred and twenty three deaths with their product within ninety days of release. People were calling Pfizer in desperation watching their family members die after taking the vaccine. Pfizer recorded over twelve hundred new adverse events, new problems that doctor Boden has talked to you about that we are grappling with the entire time. But the point is our FDA worked to cover this up. The FDA should be regulating this company. FDA should have been having at least monthly meetings and fully disclosing what was going on with these novel vaccines, which are a genetic transfer technology platform.

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In April 2022, the OGTR stated their role in assessing the risk of gene technology. In February 2023, Senator Renick asked if they had received any requests for advice on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. The OGTR responded that they had not because mRNA vaccines were not regulated as they did not involve genetic modification. However, in October 2023, Senator Renick quoted information from Pfizer's website, stating that gene therapies involve introducing new genetic material, which the mRNA vaccines do. The American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy also classified mRNA vaccines as gene therapy. The TGA's documents confirmed the use of DNA in the manufacturing process. This contradiction suggests that the mRNA vaccines are gene technology and are being transported and administered without proper licensing, posing a significant problem.

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The speakers discuss a broad denial about vaccine injuries and the idea that, despite evidence, the medical establishment and political figures push the narrative that vaccines are safe and effective. They claim that many people who are vaccinated want to move on and avoid acknowledging serious side effects, including turbo cancers, undetected myocarditis, and neurological issues, and that autoimmune disease is being attributed to other causes. They argue that the medical establishment, federal health agencies, and some members of Congress who produce supportive content, such as segments like Steve Colbert’s, advocate for taking the shot. They question how many people were killed or died from the shot, asserting that Bayer’s data shows “close[ly]” to thirty-nine thousand worldwide, and that if only ten percent are reported, the true number would be in the hundreds of thousands. They claim there are millions of adverse events, but that this is denied and covered up. The speakers contend that the shot was not a real vaccine. They describe it as gene therapy rather than a traditional vaccine. They explain a sequence in which a vaccine is typically an attenuated or killed virus that requires adjuvants like aluminum or mercury to stimulate the immune system, because the attenuated or killed virus may not work well on its own. In contrast, they say this shot is mRNA, which is modified so it does not degrade. They describe how it is put into a lipid nanoparticle designed to permeate barriers like the blood-brain barrier, and they assert it would never stay in the arm, distributing all over the body. They claim the lipid nanoparticle allows the mRNA to enter cells, hijack cellular structures, and cause the cells to express spike protein, which the body then attacks as foreign. When asked who is responsible, they reference a “doctor Frankenstein” figure and name Francis Collins, head of the NIH, and Anthony Fauci as possible figures in question. The response indicates that while they consider all of them criminally liable, they would say it is primarily Fauci, with acknowledgment that people like Collins are implicated as well.

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The speaker presents evidence from Pfizer's website, the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, and the TGA's report to argue that mRNA vaccines are a form of gene therapy. They question why the mRNA vaccine was not tested for genotoxicity and why the Office of Gene Technology Regulator did not consider it as gene technology. The regulator responds that the TGA is responsible for approving vaccine products and addressing genotoxicity concerns. They explain that since the mRNA vaccines were imported into Australia and not manufactured there, the Gene Technology Act does not apply. The speaker disagrees, citing Pfizer's statement about transfection being a part of gene therapy. The regulator suggests a difference in the definition of gene therapy.

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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss vaccines and vaccine technology. Speaker 0 begins by saying, “He injected billions of people with an experimental it wasn't a bloody just no. It wasn't,” expressing that the vaccine was experimental and not straightforward. Speaker 1 counters briefly with, “It was no one isn't,” then suggests uncertainty about the claim. Speaker 0 adds that “Yes. It is. It's Well, it doesn't have a 100%,” indicating skepticism about a perfect success rate. Speaker 1 asks, “You think it's a definition of all point of is to give your body a,” challenging the stated purpose of the vaccine in terms of its aim to train the immune system. Speaker 0 then states, “protein train on. The immune system works. Technology,” implying that the vaccine trains the immune system and works as a technology. Speaker 1 responds that “Who cares if it's not the same? There's plenty there's,” implying there are multiple vaccines or approaches enough to matter, suggesting diversity in types. Speaker 0 replies, “different so types that they didn't have to contend with the fact that it wasn't the same technology.” Speaker 1 acknowledges that “There are different types of,” and that “There are different technologies. Fine. The mRNA is a type of vaccine.” Speaker 0 firmly rejects that, saying, “Now this is No. It was,” indicating a disagreement about the classification. Speaker 1 clarifies that “like this, and now it's like this,” implying a progression from one form to another. Speaker 0 insists, “No. No. No. It was like this, and now it's like this. The m n r mRNA technology was a radical, qualitative leap forward in technology.” He asserts that mRNA technology represents a significant advancement compared to what existed before. Speaker 1 suggests naming it differently or acknowledging changes, but Speaker 0 continues that “You can call it if you want to, but it bears very little resemblance to anything that went before that.” The final point is that “The reason it was called a scene was because was a brand name that had a track record of safety, and shoehorning it in that was one of the ways to make sure that people weren't terrified of the technology.”

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The speaker discusses the issue of DNA contamination in mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and questions the FDA's handling of the situation. They explain that normally rigorous tests are required for genotoxicity and immunogenesis, but the FDA seemed to ignore these requirements. The speaker also mentions that Moderna's own patent acknowledges the concerns related to DNA and insertional immunogenesis. They reveal that DNA fragments, including an antibiotic resistance gene and sequences from simian virus 40, were found in the vaccines. The speaker expresses concern about the potential risks associated with DNA damage, such as cancer and birth defects. They criticize the FDA for downplaying the issue and emphasize the importance of transparency.

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The speaker emphasizes that the term "vaccine" is not accurate for what they are discussing. They refer to it as a genetic therapy that modifies cells to produce a specific protein. The use of the term "chemical therapy" is controversial, and even renowned scientist Disar Raoult has stated that it is not considered a therapy. The speaker mentions a manufacturer of vaccines who admitted that they considered it a form of therapy.

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The speaker states that while messenger RNA (mRNA) can be used to produce missing proteins like insulin, using mRNA for vaccines is a failed and dangerous concept. They criticize the US government for not being honest about their involvement in mRNA research, specifically the Adept p three program, which aimed to use mRNA to end pandemics within 60 days.

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Nicholas Holcher, an epidemiologist and foundation administrator at the McCullough Foundation, appears on the WiderWake Media Podcast to discuss what he calls harms from the mRNA COVID vaccines and to critique mainstream approaches to the pandemic and public health policy. - Vaccine definitions and mRNA technology - Pre-2000 definition: a vaccine is an injectable or oral product that introduces a killed part of a virus or an inactivated form to the body so that encountering a wild-type version would not infect or would cause a less severe illness. - He asserts that mRNA injections are not vaccines: they are a gene transfer platform using modified messenger RNA with long persistence in the body (via N1-methylpseudouridine), delivered in lipid nanoparticles. He claims these bubbles distribute systemically, including to the brain, heart, bone marrow, and reproductive system, and that they instruct cells to produce a spike protein, effectively turning organs into “toxic spike protein production factories.” He says this leads to autoimmune attack on those tissues and contributes to adverse events, including myocarditis, strokes, immune destruction, and “turbo cancers.” - History and purpose of mRNA in vaccines - According to Holcher, work on this technology existed for decades but animals testing showed high mortality or sterilization in ferrets and mice, preventing approval except under a declared global emergency. He contends the COVID-19 crisis enabled emergency use authorization across Western countries, with ulterior aims to inject the globe with mRNA technology. - Global impact and uptake - He estimates about 70% of the global population received at least one COVID-19 injection (mRNA or viral vector). He notes Eastern countries used non-mRNA platforms (e.g., AstraZeneca/J&J in some places; Sinovac elsewhere) but that uptake in the West was high. - Harms and evidence - Excess deaths: cites a study by Dennis Brancourt et al. estimating around 17 million deaths worldwide as a result of COVID injections (as of September 2023); he claims US deaths could be in the hundreds of thousands to millions. - Turbo cancers: cites multiple studies in 2023 showing increased risk of seven cancer types (colorectal, bladder, breast, thyroid, prostate, etc.) in vaccinated groups; cites a major cancer journal, OncoTarget, reporting hundreds of turbo cancer cases across 27 countries, with Pfizer contributing most cases. Holcher also mentions his own group’s work with Neo7 Bioscience documenting genomic integration of vaccine-derived mRNA in a stage IV bladder cancer patient (31-year-old woman) with a segment of mRNA found in circulating tumor DNA on chromosome 19; another study reported thousands of dysregulated genes in post-vaccine cancers, including p53, KRAS, and BRCA. - Definition of turbo cancer: per Merrick et al., rapid, aggressive tumor progression with sudden onset and early metastasis, often in younger individuals, and resistant to treatment. - Fertility, pregnancy, and autism - Fertility: cites studies suggesting fertility impacts, including Karaman et al. finding depletion of primordial follicles in rats after mRNA vaccination; Manichi et al. reporting 33% lower conception rates in vaccinated women in Denmark; a study indicating a ~20% drop in sperm concentration and motility with no recovery over five months. - Autism: asserts a large body of evidence linking vaccines to neurodevelopmental disorders, citing a 136-study review with 107 studies finding positive associations between vaccines and neurodevelopmental issues, including autism, attributed to toxicity and immune system disruption, particularly in children with high vaccine exposure and reduced detox capacity (CYP450 impairment). - Other topics tied to vaccines and public response - The COVID-19 period and vaccine skepticism: claims the pandemic catalyzed a large anti-vaccine movement because people were compelled to take an experimental gene therapy product. - Sam Altman and gene editing: discusses Altman’s Preventive venture with the aim to reduce heritable diseases via in utero gene editing but warns of the path to designer babies and the potential for harm in early-iteration edits, citing prior CRISPR experiments on human embryos that produced deformed offspring or nonviable results. - AI, workers, and future society: predicts two-tier society with implanted or enhanced individuals and a replacement of human labor by robots and AI systems; discusses military and surveillance ambitions in gene editing and AI augmentation. - Mental health and digital life: references a randomized trial showing that turning off mobile Internet improved depression scores and well-being to an extent comparable to or greater than antidepressants. - World Health Organization (WHO): notes the US has pulled out of the WHO, arguing this is good for the US but potentially harmful for others still in the organization; expresses concerns about the pandemic treaty and ongoing global health governance, including vaccine passport-style surveillance. - FDA and public health policy: acknowledges some shifts (e.g., cutting doses from the childhood schedule) but argues the FDA remains compromised and too aligned with vaccine industry interests; criticizes the removal of a potential black box warning for vaccines and calls for more accountability. - Resources and contact - Holcher invites listeners to follow him on X (Twitter) at @nichulsher and to read their work on focalpoints.com and through McCullough’s network. Note: The transcript presents Holcher’s claims and interpretations about vaccines, turbo cancers, autism, fertility, and policy changes. The summary reproduces these points without endorsement or evaluation.

Keeping It Real

The Vaccine Debate, Stargate mRNA Tech, Lab Leak Theory & more with Heather Heying Ph.D
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In this interview, Jillian Michaels talks with evolutionary biologist Heather Heying about the vaccine debate, early lab origins theories, and the broader risks and uncertainties of modern biotechnologies. Heying emphasizes a skeptical, evidence-driven approach to science, cautioning that authorities often act in ways that benefit public health in theory but can produce counterproductive outcomes in practice. She notes how the COVID era amplified preexisting tensions between scientific consensus and independent inquiry, arguing that people should learn to assess claims by asking for evidence and showing their work rather than simply accepting official narratives. The conversation delves into the history of vaccine development, adjuvants, and the differences between traditional vaccines and newer mRNA platforms. Heying explains adjuvants as components designed to wake up the immune system and clarifies how mRNA vaccines encode instructions rather than the pathogen itself. The discussion laments how the public discourse around vaccines sometimes conflates vaccines with gene therapy and highlights debates over safety, testing, and long-term effects. The exchange is candid about the evolving nature of these technologies, the incentives in research funding, and the consequences when science and policy are not transparently aligned. A substantial portion of the episode revisits the origins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the contentious lab-leak hypothesis. Heying recounts how earlier research and funding patterns fed into suspicions about gain-of-function work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and argues for a careful evaluation of competing theories without resorting to blanket accusations. The discussion also touches on censorship, demonetization, and the role of media in shaping public understanding, drawing parallels to other controversial topics such as the safety of certain drugs like Ozempic and the challenges of interpreting long-term effects in rapidly evolving fields. Toward the end, Heying offers a framework for critical thinking grounded in evolutionary biology and scientific humility. She advocates for a habit of mind that questions assumptions, values evidence, and accepts that science is a dynamic process that benefits from transparent inquiry and revision. The episode concludes with a plug for Heying’s writing and DarkHorse podcast, inviting listeners to engage with ideas through open discussion, read her book A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, and follow her Substack for ongoing analyses.
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