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Marjorie Taylor Greene said she found the situation in a building that was “basically empty” and questioned whether members of Congress own real estate and rent to the federal government in Washington, DC. She claimed the answer was “Yeah,” and argued this should have been the beginning of addressing corruption. She emphasized she would be different and would be on the front end, aiming to eliminate corruption that has infiltrated committee systems. She acknowledged politics’ current back-and-forth dynamics but said the goal is to reduce that tension and focus on reform. Speaker 1 asked Greene, as Doge chairman, to continue the work on what appears to be a massive scandal: big federal buildings owned by members of Congress and leased back to the federal government—private buildings owned by members of Congress leased to the government—describing it as “the snake eating its tail” and “the tip of the iceberg.” Greene described the broader problem as a frustration with the system and warned against a “shotgun approach,” saying they must not be neutralized and must focus on a few targets. She identified the first focus as the IRS, noting that the big complaint with the IRS, besides “stealing your money,” is that you can’t ever reach them and that their technology is not intermingled. Speaker 1 referenced Greene’s statements about government duplication. Greene said she found through government duplication a chart that “my staff has uncovered basically over a trillion dollars of just simple duplication within these departments that nobody is willing to tackle.” She reiterated the plan to tackle this issue, even if it’s not “sexy,” and to “tackle it,” showing it to the American public, with the hope they will back efforts when changing the structure of government. Greene reiterated that the aim is to focus on a few issues, start with IRS problems, and address the broader duplication and inefficiencies uncovered by her staff. She expressed a determination to reveal these findings to the public and pursue structural changes in government.

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My name is David Nelson, and I work for the IRS as a tax examining technician. I'm speaking out because our systems are incredibly outdated and not integrated, which handcuffs us. I'm not afraid of losing my career if it means I can help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. We use a program called IDRS, dating back to the late 1960s. It significantly impacts our efficiency; it's absurd that the US tax system relies on such an old program. I've even created a solution as a hobby to improve things. Congress has been notified about this for years, and while the Inflation Reduction Act provided some funds, it was just a band-aid, not a real fix. I want to set an example for my children and do the right thing.

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Americans spend over $546 billion annually on IRS compliance, which is significantly more than the Department of Defense's budget. This cost arises from the 7.9 billion hours spent navigating a complex tax code, equivalent to nearly 4 million full-time workers. Additionally, households spend about $1,000 each on tax software. The actual taxes collected, totaling $4.9 trillion, lead to an estimated $15 trillion in lost economic output due to disincentives for production. This situation highlights the burdens imposed by the IRS, overshadowing spending on housing and food. While there are potential reforms on the horizon, significant resistance from special interests and bureaucrats remains.

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So, we're from the Department of Government Efficiency, and we're here because we have no idea what you guys actually do around here. Where's the gold, where's the money going and how many 50-year-olds are you paying every month? All the funds are allocated, but what exactly are they allocated for? Also, why do 50,000 federal employees owe $1.5 billion in taxes? After an audit of the IRS, we found you owe $50 million. What about your chief of the flat office navigation team getting paid $20,000,000 a year to find the edge of the office? I want to see every receipt. If I find out even one cent went to funding secret IRS strip clubs, I'll throw you in the deepest, darkest prison cell in America! Ultimately, we're going to fire some people, abolish the IRS, and turn IRS workers into ICE workers.

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There's support for clearing government waste on both sides, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China. As a congressman, I can say that the IRS has been a nightmare. When I write letters of concern for my constituents, it takes up to six months to get a response. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive information, yet there were no complaints. Now that Elon Musk is involved and potentially making changes, suddenly everyone is upset. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to be asking questions. Congressmen will be in trouble when this paper trail leads back to them.

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An individual stated they have not heard from the IRS after speaking out, but prior to doing so, they heard that people within the IRS were nervous about their plans to speak publicly, as it is strongly discouraged. They describe the IRS's IDRS system as antiquated and question who benefits from it remaining an analog system from the 1960s. They ask anyone with information about why the system hasn't been updated to contact them, suggesting this reason is why changes haven't occurred. They express hope for future changes.

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The administration hired tens of thousands of IRS workers to pursue back taxes and audits, aiming to increase revenue. However, from February 2021 to February 2023, nearly 6,000 IRS employees owed about $50 million in back taxes themselves. Despite having the authority to fire these employees, only 20 have been dismissed. Additionally, some of these workers have faced serious misconduct issues, yet 282 have been rehired. This situation highlights a significant inconsistency, as the IRS targets citizens while failing to address its own internal problems. There's anticipation for change, particularly with Trump potentially taking action.

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Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Treasury Secretary Scott Vessant, discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos is reviewing the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to update the IRS's legacy infrastructure, which still uses old mainframes. Korkos says the IRS has talented software developers, but they haven't been empowered to make decisions. Vessant says entrenched interests and consultants have constricted themselves around the IRS, costing taxpayers unbelievable amounts of money. Korkos notes the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank, but with far more IT staff and a much larger budget, 80% of which goes to contractors and licenses. Vessant says his priorities for the IRS are collections, privacy, and customer service, none of which are being well served. Korkos has stopped work and cut about $1.5 billion from the modernization budget. He says the career staff has been cooperative. Vessant wants the American people to understand what is being done to make government work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy.

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Doge arrived at the IRS and is now helping review government spending, starting with NASA. We're planning to slash departments by 30-40% if they can't justify their headcount and selling unused federal buildings. We've discovered taxpayer money is being used to fund things like Palestinian hip hop and bizarre animal experiments. The Department of Health and Human Services has also spent billions on cars and homes for migrants. The EPA was caught rushing to spend tax dollars on questionable projects, including a climate fund with a now-deleted board of directors page. Trump's administration is offering buyouts to federal workers, and 75,000 have already accepted. We're addressing government waste and fraud that has been ongoing for years. The goal is to reform and cut wasteful spending.

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There's support for clearing government waste on both sides of the aisle, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China and billions from the government. When PayPal was owned by Elon Musk, there were no security breaches. The IRS is a nightmare, with folks not back to work years after COVID. As a Congressman, it takes me up to six months to get a response regarding constituent concerns. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive data. People are only complaining now that Elon Musk is involved. The only reason to ask questions is if you're doing something crooked. Congressmen will have red faces when this paper trail leads back to them. People are pitching a fit because Musk is making needed changes.

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There's massive fraud in this country, including foreign nationals using fake social security numbers and identities to steal billions in taxpayer benefits. By clamping down on this fraud in our tax and entitlement systems, we could save over a trillion dollars. Doge are subordinate staffers of the federal government and political appointees that serve and answer to the president. They will analyze and assess for signs and symptoms of fraud and how IT systems are failing to detect it. We need to protect the integrity of these systems that Americans rely on. We are restoring neutrality, ethics, and accountability to the IRS to identify large-scale fraud, unfair politicization, and unfair targeting. We want to ensure confidence in the IRS and that no dollars are being stolen from the American people.

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I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm speaking out because our systems are antiquated, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It drastically hurts our efficiency. The entire US tax system relies on this outdated, command-code driven program, similar to an older version of MS-DOS. I even created a solution in my free time to address this, but can't use it without permission. Congress has been aware of these issues for years, but the funding provided is just a band-aid, not a real fix. I'm risking my career because I want to help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. I want to set an example for my kids. I'm doing what I can to protect others and do the right thing.

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The speaker was asked to help fix retirement in the government and discovered that all paper documents for the retirement process are housed in a mine in Pennsylvania. This mine contains 22,000 filing cabinets stacked 10 high, holding 400 million pieces of paper. The retirement process, largely unchanged since the 1950s, involves physical paperwork and can take many months. Currently, the government can only process about 8,000 retirements a month, with processing times taking six to nine months, and calculations are often incorrect. The goal is to digitize the process, creating an online system that takes only a few days. The speaker believes civil servants are subjected to outdated processes and aims to provide a modern, user-friendly experience. The overhaul is expected to be completed in the next couple of months.

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The speaker says they are aligned with Elon Musk's actions and that moving fast is necessary to overcome vested interests in Washington D.C., where 25% of the U.S. GDP pulsates. Musk believes he's taking back the American people's cheese, not just moving someone's cheese. Changes cause immediate perception of cuts, while benefits take months to materialize. The speaker clarifies it's the Department of Government Efficiency, not extinction, aiming to improve operations without demonizing federal employees. Major savings will come from reducing reliance on contractors. One firm, Booz Allen, receives 98% of its revenue from the government, indicating poor risk management. Despite rules for six-month contracts, some individuals have been in place for twenty years through continuous renewals. The administration's transparency is crucial for taxpayers to understand the extent of the "grift."

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I've issued a deadline for agencies to submit waste reduction plans. Failure to comply will result in tech support intervention, which is essentially what my team is doing – fixing outdated government computer systems. We aim to find a trillion dollars in savings to prevent national bankruptcy. Every agency will have a "mini Elon Musk" to justify spending. We're freezing government credit cards for 30 days and doing a pulse check via email to see if employees are real and responsive, we suspect some are dead or even fictional. Some people are upset with our aid to Ukraine which has been spent on things like fashion shows, wine, and cheese puffs. Providing money to LGBTQ individuals in Serbia is also coming under fire. Some are questioning the loyalty of Elon Musk because of this. The Biden years proved we don't even need an active president, because institutions are running everything behind the scenes.

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IRS employee David Nelson is blowing the whistle on the agency's outdated systems, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) which dates back to the 1960s. Nelson states the system is command code driven, similar to MS DOS but older, and hinders efficiency. He claims the IRS could be substantially smaller with updated programs and a centralized inventory system. Nelson created a solution as a hobby to reform the IRS, automating tasks to improve efficiency. He says that copying taxpayer information into letters is currently a manual process. While Congress has been notified and funds allocated, Nelson believes the changes are just a "band-aid" and don't fix the core problem. He says IRS employees are generally told not to report system deficiencies. Nelson is motivated by a desire to help the American people and set an example for his children. He acknowledges the risk to his career but feels compelled to do the right thing. He says everyone at the IRS knows about the problems, but the American people do not. Nelson also discussed his disability and his children's support.

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I want to assure every tax payer that the IRS will not be sifting through records randomly. We are performing a basic anti-fraud review to prevent large scale theft of taxpayer benefits. We pay billions in child tax credits to illegal aliens, so we are implementing systematic reforms. The IRS has been weaponized against Americans for years, engaging in politically based audits and leaking taxpayer information. We are restoring neutrality, ethics, and security controls. One of our major projects involves upgrading IT systems to protect taxpayer information from theft by criminals or foreign governments.

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Speaker 0 visited a mine used for storing physical media, specifically filing cabinets dating back to the 1960s, containing retirement paperwork. The speaker questions why paper is still used in 2025, showing an example of a retiree's case folder, which is compiled by hand and moved through the mine. Speaker 1 adds that the retirement process can take over six months due to the manual compilation and storage of paper documents, with calculations also done by hand. Speaker 0 states that the paperwork is extensive and difficult to process. They are implementing modern software to bring the retirement process online, and currently have 25 retirees going through an entirely online retirement process for the first time.

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Elon Musk, now co-head of the Department of Government Efficiency, announced plans to audit the IRS after it requested a $20 billion budget increase. He engaged the public on social media about the IRS's spending and expressed frustration over not receiving recognition for being the largest individual taxpayer, having paid $10 billion in taxes. The new department aims to identify government waste, with Musk suggesting the IRS's armed agents and ammunition purchases could be reconsidered. The initiative is framed as a positive step towards accountability. Viewers are encouraged to follow and engage with content on various platforms, with a promise to return with more updates next Sunday.

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We're streamlining the federal bureaucracy, aiming to reduce the workforce. We found a surprising bottleneck: the retirement process. Currently, the maximum number of retirements per month is capped at 10,000 due to a completely manual, paper-based system. The paperwork is stored in a 1950s-era limestone mine, and the speed of the mine shaft elevator limits processing. This antiquated system employs thousands of people whose efforts could be far better utilized elsewhere. The situation is absurd; we need to modernize this process immediately. Imagine the increased efficiency and contribution to the country's goods and services if these employees were redeployed.

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The speakers discuss the government's outdated paper-based retirement process, which involves storing physical files in a mine. One speaker recounts visiting the mine filled with filing cabinets from the 1960s, emphasizing its security and climate control, but questioning the continued use of paper in 2025. The process requires compiling retirement papers by hand, moving them on carts, and can take over six months, with calculations also done manually. They are implementing a new online retirement process, with 25 retirees currently using it. They mention cases of single retirees having entire pallets or shopping carts of documents. They want to free up the thousands of people who are carrying paper into a mine. They compare the government's technology to the "Flintstones" era. The conversation shifts to the postal service, which is legally required to have a balanced budget but has been losing money since 2007 due to additional regulations. The postal service lost $9.5 billion last year. They believe they can modernize it and help them become profitable.

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I'm here with US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. There are concerns about the DOGE team's access to payment systems, but they are treasury employees with read-only access, focused on suggesting improvements without making changes. The ability to alter the system lies with the Federal Reserve, not the Treasury. Regarding IRS data access, there is currently no engagement with the DOGE team, and any requests for access would be considered if they arise. The IRS faces challenges with privacy and outdated systems, but improvements are part of the administration's agenda. However, significant changes are unlikely during the current tax filing season.

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I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm blowing the whistle on our outdated systems like the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It's command code driven, like MS-DOS but older, and it severely hinders our efficiency. I've even created a potential solution in my free time, a centralized inventory system to replace IDRS, but there are many approvals to get through to use it. Congress knows about these issues, but the "fixes" have been mere band-aids. IRS employees are generally discouraged from speaking out, but I'm not afraid to lose my job. I want to set an example for my kids, to show them the importance of doing the right thing, even when it's scary. My job is to ensure a fair and just tax system for the American people.

Modern Wisdom

Inside DOGE, The IRS & How to Scam the US Government - Sam Corcos
Guests: Sam Corcos
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Sam Corcos describes a leap from private-sector tech to government service, joining Treasury to fix the IRS’s sprawling, famously troubled modernization program. He was brought in under a Doge-adjacent arrangement to help land the plane on a multibillion-dollar IT effort that had run years past its original five-year target. He explains that, in government, the chief information officer is not simply a CTO but a leadership role often filled by nontechnical career staff, because there were no rigorous standards for the job. Believing in structural change, the administration authorized sweeping action: around 50 people from IRS IT were placed on administrative leave and replaced by technically capable engineers. Corcos emphasizes that this shift was intended to inject real technical authority into decisions about contracts, vendors, and architecture. Within weeks the dialogue turns to the realities of government procurement, where incentives and process can block meaningful reform. Corcos describes a world where a single vendor drama—where prices can surge from pilot pricing to multi-year renewals—exposes how the system can price gouge while pretending to be fixed. He cites examples such as do not pay lists for fraud prevention and the repetition of 20x price hikes after contract renegotiations, revealing a misalignment between decision-makers who rarely pay the money and engineers who understand the systems. The procurement process itself is described as a labyrinth: competitive bidding, value-added resellers, and a heavy reliance on contractors who often commute billions of dollars of spending without commensurate returns. The result, he says, is mounting complexity, 108 sources of truth across IT, and chronic delays. Corcos also highlights broader cultural and leadership issues. He contrasts the bureaucratic inertia with Doge’s high-agency ethos, yet notes the fragility of reforms when leadership changes or when salaries and hiring lanes discourage talent from staying. He cites the mainframe-heavy reality of IRS systems, the need for data integrity, and the push to stop shadow IT by aligning engineering talent with mission-critical work. He stresses that progress depends on leadership that values technical competence, reallocation of resources, and cross-agency collaboration—an area where the Treasury, IRS, and other agencies are beginning to work together to fix procurement, hiring, and technology lifecycles.

My First Million

What’s truly going on inside DOGE?
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The discussion centers around Iron Mountain, a company that stores vast amounts of paperwork, including government files, in a limestone mine. The hosts highlight that Iron Mountain is valued at over $30 billion, surpassing companies like Snapchat and Twitter. They recount a story about its origins, starting with a mushroom farmer who transformed his cave into a secure storage facility for documents in the 1950s. The company now manages around 80 million square feet of storage, housing everything from legal documents to priceless art. Elon Musk's recent comments about the federal retirement process reveal that the government relies on Iron Mountain for storing retirement paperwork, which is still largely manual. The inefficiencies in this system lead to delays in processing retirements, taking up to 90 days. Despite attempts to digitize the process since the 1980s, these efforts have repeatedly failed due to bureaucracy and the nature of the workforce. The conversation also touches on current events involving Elon Musk, including his interactions with Donald Trump and his interest in acquiring OpenAI. Musk's approach to business and layoffs is critiqued for lacking empathy, especially as it affects real people's lives. The hosts express fascination with Musk's energy and the chaotic nature of his ventures, while also discussing the broader implications of government spending and the challenges of balancing efficiency with compassion in the workplace. The episode concludes with a light-hearted proposal for field trips to observe various companies and industries firsthand.
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