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Critics question the effectiveness of masks and the handling of the pandemic. Dr. Fauci defends his decisions and denies funding gain-of-function research. The origins of COVID-19 are debated, with conflicting reports on a lab leak. Mental health concerns for children due to school closures are raised. Dr. Fauci clashes with Senator Paul over gain-of-function research. The debate continues on the virus's origins and research funding.

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Public health officials during the pandemic acted more like dictators than scientists, suppressing credible dissent. Early on, they dismissed the lab leak hypothesis as conspiracy, only recently acknowledging its plausibility. Martin Kulldorff from Harvard, Sunita Gupta from Oxford, and I proposed a focused protection strategy in October 2020, which was labeled fringe by then NIH director Francis Collins, despite support from thousands of professionals. Government agencies collaborated with social media to control the narrative around COVID science, creating a false sense of consensus. The public deserves answers about the basis for school closures, whether the harms of policies were adequately considered, and why natural immunity and vaccine transmission failures were overlooked in mandates.

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The White House blames a few bad actors for spreading online misinformation. The speaker disagrees with the idea that wearing masks is the best way to prevent infectious diseases. They mention that getting vaccinated provides the best protection against infection. The speaker also addresses the misconception that vaccines can make people worse. They mention the possibility of future challenges in infectious diseases and the need for rapid response to new threats. The speaker denies funding gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and denies lying before Congress.

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This virus likely did not originate naturally; it stems from scientific arrogance. In the early pandemic days, there were claims about a wet market origin, but evidence soon emerged showing many cases unrelated to it. By early January, I informed the National Security Council and Anthony Fauci that the virus was highly infectious in humans, suggesting a lab origin. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is well-known for coronavirus research, making the lab leak theory plausible. Despite discussions, Fauci maintained a focus on the wet market hypothesis, disregarding other possibilities. I believed a broader scientific investigation was necessary, but only a single hypothesis was considered.

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The speaker defends their representation of science, stating that vaccinated individuals are unlikely to experience serious illness or transmission, though acknowledging vaccinated people are capable of transmitting the infection. Mask mandates are discussed, with the speaker admitting masks work "at the margins, maybe 10%," while also stating they often wear two masks. The speaker denies recommending lockdowns but admits to advising the president to shut the country down, anticipating economic consequences. The speaker believes school closures may have gone too far but denies they caused irreparable damage. The origin of COVID-19 is debated, with the speaker stating the place of origin was not within the wet market itself, while also stating "I don't think you could say that." The speaker denies NIH funding of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute, a claim disputed by others who cite NIH funding of research that enhanced a bat coronavirus, making it more contagious. The speaker denies this constitutes gain of function research, leading to heated exchanges.

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From the start, the lines were drawn regarding the virus's origins. I believed it came from a lab, while others disagreed. My position as head of the CDC was undermined, and I was told it was a White House decision. I find that hard to believe; it seems like a cover-up. Why would we share advanced biotechnology with China? I doubt the measures in place will be foolproof; issues will arise. There have been multiple lies throughout this situation.

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I supported COVID mitigation measures like business, church, and school closures, stay-at-home orders, mask mandates for adults and children, and vaccine mandates. These measures were important initially to prevent deaths, but their duration is debatable. Vaccines have saved many lives, but they may not completely prevent infection or transmission in the long term.

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"Please wear a mask." "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask." "Everybody should be wearing a mask when they're outside." "If you wear a mask, you can decrease the likelihood of transmitting or requiring COVID nineteen by fifty, sixty, seventy, maybe eighty percent." "If you are vaccinated, you should wear a mask." "If you are vaccinated, you do not need to wear a mask." "Mask mandates did nothing. Forget the politics. Look at the data." "There is no evidence that they, masks, make any difference, full stop." "The n 95 masks, surgical or cloth masks, makes no difference." "There was no study that did masks on kids before you couldn't do the study." "Children of a certain age greater than two years old should be wearing masks." "The best way for me to prevent getting an infectious disease is wearing a mask." "Masks are not theater."

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I made it clear that my children were immunized with childhood vaccines. Public health failed to explain that COVID vaccines are different. Childhood vaccines, like for many diseases, provide immunity after one dose by giving children the disease without the deadly consequences. The COVID vaccine wasn't designed to prevent infection. Vaccine hesitancy has doubled since COVID, and we need to address these concerns. The mRNA vaccine should have been prioritized for those at high risk of severe disease, as the science and data indicated. We should have protected the elderly and those with comorbidities first. It went into young people before the elderly and nursing homes. We need to align public health actions with science and data. When we don't, we fracture trust with the American people.

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We prioritize transparency and honesty. Vaccination reduces risk of COVID. No vaccine is 100% effective, but vaccines are highly efficacious. CDC guidelines recommend masks and social distancing. No study on masks for kids, but masks are advised. Lab leak theory not downplayed by me. Virus likely evolved in nature, not man-made. Criticism of me is criticism of science. It's not a simple yes or no answer.

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This virus likely did not originate naturally; it stems from scientific arrogance. In the early pandemic, there were claims about a wet market being the source, but evidence soon showed many cases unrelated to it. By early January, it was clear the wet market narrative was misleading. I informed the National Security Council and Anthony Fauci that the virus was highly infectious, suggesting it had been engineered in a lab. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is well-known for coronavirus research, making the lab leak theory plausible. Despite discussions, Fauci maintained a focus on the wet market hypothesis, dismissing the need for broader scientific investigation.

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Conspiracy theories arise during public health crises and are distractions. A video alleging masks don't work was removed from social media for spreading misinformation. A study found mask mandates were an utter failure, according to the New York Times, citing a British review of 78 randomized studies. Lockdowns' effect on mortality was basically irrelevant, according to economists from Johns Hopkins, who warned against their future use. There is absolutely no evidence of an overcount of COVID fatalities, but the LA County health director acknowledged the county may be overcounting COVID deaths by as much as twenty percent. COVID can be a contributing or incidental cause of death. Initially, Dr. Fauci rejected the theory that coronavirus was man-made in a lab in Wuhan, China, but an intelligence arm of the US Energy Department has joined the FBI in concluding that COVID began with a lab leak in China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology worked on coronaviruses, which some find to be a large coincidence.

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Criticism of science and mask effectiveness are discussed. The need for vaccination to prevent serious illness and transmission is emphasized. School closures' impact on mental health is debated. The origins of COVID-19, gain of function research, and lab leaks are disputed. Dr. Fauci defends his recommendations and denies funding gain of function research. Accusations of misinformation and calls for prosecution are exchanged.

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There are concerns that discrediting public health officials could lead to a lack of trust in vaccines, similar to what is happening in Russia. Attacks on me are attacks on science, as everything I have said is based on scientific evidence. It is clear that science and the truth are under attack.

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There are still people who deny the importance of masks and social distancing. Misinformation is widespread. Experts like Dr. Fauci, who have dedicated their lives to studying viruses, should be trusted. Vaccination, mask-wearing, and social distancing are crucial in preventing the spread of the virus. Personal freedom should not be prioritized over public health and responsibility.

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The speaker discusses pandemic preparedness and the potential challenges the coming administration may face. They address the issue of gain of function research and deny funding it in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The speaker emphasizes the need to keep an open mind regarding the origins of the coronavirus and dismisses conspiracy theories. They provide guidance on mask-wearing and highlight the importance of vaccination. The speaker clarifies their stance on lockdown measures and refutes claims that vaccines can make people worse. They mention the optimal degree of protection after infection is vaccination. The speaker acknowledges concerns about long-term effects of vaccines and the need for further study. They express frustration with misinformation and disinformation campaigns.

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The speaker believes criticism of them is an attack on science. They stated vaccinated people don't need to worry about serious illness or transmission, but later acknowledged fully vaccinated people can transmit the infection. Masks were described as working "at the margins, maybe ten percent." School closures were considered an appropriate approach initially, but remote learning may have "forever damaged" kids, though the speaker doesn't believe it's "irreparably damaged anyone." The speaker claims they didn't recommend lockdowns, but recommended shutting the country down to the president, knowing it would have serious economic consequences. The speaker suggests the virus originated from the animal-human interface in wet markets, but that the place of origin was not within the market itself. Another intelligence arm concluded COVID began with a lab leak in China. The speaker denies the NIH funded gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute, while others claim NIH funded research that made a bat coronavirus more contagious. The speaker denies that this is gain of function.

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Critics question the effectiveness of masks and the handling of the pandemic. Dr. Fauci defends his recommendations and denies funding gain-of-function research. The origins of COVID-19 are debated, with accusations of misinformation and calls for accountability. Mental health concerns in children due to lockdowns are raised. The discussion highlights the challenges faced during the pandemic, including balancing public health and economic impacts.

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I made it clear that my children received childhood immunizations. The issue is we failed to communicate that COVID vaccines differ significantly from childhood vaccines, which typically provide lasting immunity after one dose. The COVID vaccine was not designed to prevent infection. Vaccine hesitancy has doubled since COVID, and we must address this. The mRNA vaccines should have prioritized individuals at high risk for severe disease, aligning with the scientific data. We should have protected the elderly and those in nursing homes first. Prioritizing young people in hospitals before the elderly was not following the science. Public health actions must align with scientific data to maintain the trust of the American people.

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Asked about the six-foot distance, he said, 'it just sort of appeared and then they went with it.' On masks, 'there was really no scientific data, no no study behind it.' 'One point two million Americans lost their lives.' Regarding origins, NIH grants went to EcoHealth Alliance for gain-of-function research in China; Fauci said, 'when they weren't doing the reporting back to NIH... there was no oversight coming in saying we want your reports per se.' He added, 'that's not my lane. That's over in compliance.' He claimed he wouldn't know how to oversee a foreign lab and acknowledged discussion of a lab leak as a theory, not a conspiracy. On schools, 'the mandates were a bad idea overall,' with 'no scientific data behind it.' He stated he had said 'I don't recall' many times; the public messaging should rely on doctors treating COVID patients, not politicians.

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"Please wear a mask. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. I often myself wear two masks. If you wear a mask, you can decrease the likelihood of transmitting or requiring COVID nineteen by fifty, sixty, seventy, maybe eighty percent. Said masks work at the margins maybe ten percent. Mask mandates did nothing. Forget the politics. Look at the data. There is just no evidence that they, masks, make any difference, full stop. The mask that you buy in a drugstore would be not particularly efficient in keeping out virus. Cloth coverings work. Two year old with asthma thrown off a flight. Mom is arrested in front of a young child. Isn't that theater? Isn't it just theater? There's no science behind it. Keep everybody masked."

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The speaker discusses pandemic preparedness and the potential challenges the incoming administration will face. They mention the lifting of the funding pause on gain of function research and express uncertainty about its effectiveness. The speaker denies favoring any particular theory regarding the origin of the coronavirus and emphasizes that it likely came from an animal reservoir. They address mask-wearing, stating that there was no initial recommendation for it and that they feel comfortable not wearing one indoors due to being fully vaccinated. The speaker clarifies that they did not recommend lockdowns but supported extending the initial 15-day period. They refute claims about vaccines making people worse and discuss the temporary effects on menstruation. The speaker acknowledges the need for further study and criticizes the spread of misinformation.

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Doctors who spent years in medicine told me that masks were not effective, yet they were being forced on people, including school kids. This had a devastating impact on their education. It surprises me that the NIH and CDC didn't do follow-up testing to determine the effectiveness and impact on kids. However, there were many studies during the height of COVID transmission that showed masks were working to prevent transmission. Because of this, it is unlikely that anyone would have proposed a clinical trial as there was no longer a question of equipoise.

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I was accused of being part of a propaganda effort to censor those questioning the origin of the virus. I stand by my assertion that the virus is not a lab construct, which aligns with the intelligence community's conclusion. I cannot control how my work is used. It is wrong to censor and lie to the public, and I should have done better.

The Megyn Kelly Show

Getting Real About How COVID Started and COVID Vaccines, with Josh Rogin and Scott Gottlieb | Ep 175

Guests: Josh Rogin, Scott Gottlieb

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In the Megyn Kelly Show, Megyn discusses COVID-19 origins and vaccines with guests Josh Rogin and Scott Gottlieb. Rogin emphasizes the growing evidence supporting the lab leak theory, criticizing the Biden administration for not pursuing a thorough investigation into the virus's origins. He argues that the U.S. intelligence community has not adequately explored the lab leak possibility and has failed to hold China accountable for transparency regarding the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He expresses concern over the U.S. Agency for International Development's new project to hunt for viruses without proper oversight, suggesting that this could lead to future pandemics. Gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner, shares his views on the vaccine and natural immunity. He acknowledges the debate surrounding the origins of COVID-19, stating that while he believes the evidence for a lab origin is growing, he remains open to the possibility of a natural source. He discusses the importance of understanding the virus's origins to improve future pandemic preparedness and vaccine governance. Gottlieb also addresses vaccine hesitancy among parents regarding children, emphasizing the safety of vaccines based on extensive trials and data. The conversation shifts to natural immunity, with Gottlieb noting that while natural immunity provides some protection, vaccination is still important for long-term immunity. He highlights the challenges of verifying natural immunity compared to vaccination. The discussion also touches on the effectiveness of masks in schools, with Rogin citing studies suggesting that masks may not significantly reduce transmission, while Gottlieb argues for their continued use as a precautionary measure. Throughout the episode, both guests stress the need for transparency and accountability in addressing the pandemic's origins and managing public health responses, including vaccination strategies and mask mandates. They call for a more robust investigation into the origins of COVID-19 and express concerns about the implications of the virus's spread and the effectiveness of current public health measures.