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The speaker mentions that a former head of military intelligence in Israel was friendly with Epstein. They point out that there is no evidence provided to support the claim that Israel was involved in running Epstein. They mention that Maxwell worked for Israel and Epstein worked for Maxwell, and that Epstein was introduced to Maxwell's daughter and Israeli intelligence.

Antisemitism is a bit of like a virus. And like some viruses, it exists in the kind of body politic and it's dormant like chickenpox. It can manifest again when you're older because of stress or age as shingles. It's as old as time. We faced it for thousands of years. First it was after the, you know, the death of Christ. There were these accusations that the Jews killed Christ and that the Jews weren't a real religion because we didn't accept Christ and then we didn't accept Mohammed. We had inquisitions. Then it was, okay, well, maybe Judaism is okay as a religion, but it's the Jewish race that isn't legitimate. Now it's the Jewish state that's illegitimate. We see that now in the form of anti Zionism, which is anti Semitism.

The speaker asserts that there are thousands of hours of tape that are child pornography, and the FBI is not releasing them because the tapes do not show underage people with third parties on Epstein Island; according to the speaker, “those tapes are just child porn,” and that is why they are not being released. Regarding the Epstein list, the speaker says sources in the federal government have seen documents and claim there is no Epstein list. Instead, there is a “black book of Jeffrey Epstein contact,” and most of the contacts are already public, with names such as Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz commonly mentioned. The speaker claims that, according to the DOJ and the FBI, there is no evidence that any of those third parties were trafficking girls to them. The speaker then references Tucker Carlson asserting that Mossad was involved, noting that this is a hot internet speculation without evidence. In addressing this, Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, is cited as stating with 100% certainty that the accusation Epstein “worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.” Bennett reportedly told the speaker that the Mossad has not been active in the United States since the Jonathan Pollard scandal of 1987, when a US army contractor working for the Navy revealed classified information to the Israeli government and was imprisoned for nearly thirty years. According to Bennett, Israel has not spied on the United States since then.

The speaker argues that Epstein is, or is described as, an agent, an attache, a legate of the Rothschilds, with emails confirming this involvement in business deals beyond a mere legate role. The claim rests on a long-standing connection they allege between the Rothschilds, intelligence networks, cults, and the history of the nation state of Israel going back to Moses Hess in the 1860s. They emphasize the Rothschilds as an elite, powerful European banking dynasty, noting that intelligence essentially originates from banking. According to the speaker, this view of intelligence goes beyond popular depictions of espionage and assassination; the core origin of intelligence, even per mainline Rothschild biographers like Morton, is the story from the early chapters of the famous Waterloo narrative, in which the Rothschilds allegedly had advanced intelligence that enabled them to buy up the collapsed stock market in the UK and London. The speaker states this as true and highlights that the ability to do that came from advanced intelligence. They further connect this lineage of intelligence to the broader power structure: when David Rockefeller built his banking empire, it followed from his claim of coming out of military intelligence, a point he reportedly brags about in his memoir. The argument then ties together intelligence, cults, networks, and Hollywood, asserting that they are all interlinked and that there is no better example of this than Epstein. The discussion concludes with a pivot to Eyes Wide Shut, asking what the film was trying to convey—whether it was a warning or if telling truths is part of the ethos of these groups to reveal information in plain sight. The question of Eyes Wide Shut serves to illustrate how the themes of elite networks, secrecy, and openly displayed signals are perceived as interconnected with the broader claims about intelligence, power, and cultural institutions.

Speaker 0 discusses the nature of the allegations surrounding Epstein and the broader “pedo” discourse. They begin by asking whether the situation is essentially pedophilia, noting a reluctance to voice this directly but concluding that they feel compelled to say it. They state: “This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it.” They then attempt to distinguish between what some describe as trafficking and what they consider the case to be, saying: “It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion.” They acknowledge this as a controversial perspective and proceed to articulate a position: “I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay? The issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is. It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia.” The speaker then shifts the topic away from the legality of the ages to a related, more conspiratorial claim, emphasizing that the core issue, in their view, lies in an alleged association between Epstein and a broader espionage context. They insist: “Okay, relax. No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel.” They frame Epstein as being connected to Israeli intelligence, presenting this as the central dilemma rather than the specifics of the sexual exploitation allegations. Throughout, Speaker 0 presents a sequence of framed assertions: first, a provocative reframing of the ethical category involved (from illegal but not strictly illegal acts to pedophilia), then a qualitative judgment about the severity and nature of the acts themselves, and finally a shift to a geopolitical and intelligence-related conspiracy claim about Epstein’s possible affiliation with Jewish identity and Israeli intelligence. The speaker explicitly acknowledges the controversial nature of their viewpoint but maintains that the primary concern is not the legal characterization of the victims’ ages but the asserted espionage connection. No further context, evidence, or qualifiers are provided in the excerpt, and the speaker does not offer evidence supporting the espionage claim within this transcript. The emphasis remains on contrasting opinions about how to categorize the behavior, followed by a bold assertion regarding Epstein’s alleged role as a Jewish spy associated with Israel.

- "I believe that the American government is sort of trapped by the Israelis. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them." - "Bill Clinton, president Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak met Arafat in the nineties, and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein." - "They were about to reach an agreement there for a two state solution, but that was stopped because of Epstein." - "And I believe the Israelis have the American government captive due to what happened what happens with Epstein or what happened in the past with Epstein." - "But everything is stuck over Gazelle." - "I don't think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide. I think it's the Israelis holding him back." - "John f Kennedy was assassinated with Israeli intelligence help."

The speaker claims the release of the Epstein files is a psyop orchestrated by Israel because Trump is not sufficiently pro-Israel. According to the speaker, the Times of Israel suggests the files resurfaced and are overwhelming Trump because he criticized Netanyahu. The speaker says that while Trump bombed Iranian nuclear sites, he didn't bomb them for a full week as he should have. The speaker alleges that despite Trump's actions for Israel, it's not enough, and the Epstein list will be a problem for him because he messed with Israel. The speaker states that the Times of Israel implies Trump is being threatened by old files because he occasionally criticizes Netanyahu and his administration isn't fully compliant with discrimination against Christians in Israel.

Speaker 0: "We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" Speaker 1: "That's not right. Wrong headed." He says he faced blowback after saying, "Mossad, possibilities with Epstein," a comment he stands by, and that he "reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." He writes, "He says, I think he would have told me. He didn't say he had any of those connections. I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "I think all these things should be explored." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." He finishes, "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

Republicans are reminded that not all Jewish people support Israel, and it is important not to express hatred towards all Jews. The speaker discusses the ties between Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, and Israel, highlighting connections to Mossad and various individuals. They mention the influence of Israel on discussions about Epstein and claim that Israel controls the platforms where Epstein is discussed. The speaker also brings up the financial ties between Israel and US politicians, including the president and the Clintons. They criticize the Israeli offensive against Palestine and suggest that Israel is responsible for a large human trafficking ring. The speaker questions the support for Israel and argues that calling out a genocide is not anti-Semitic. They mention the cognitive dissonance on the internet and briefly mention TikTok's commitment to freedom of speech.

Speaker 0 believes the American government is trapped by the Israelis and that Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them. He says Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, and Yasser Arafat met in the nineties and there was no peace deal because of Epstein, claiming Epstein was blackmailing them. He adds that Ehud Barak, then the prime minister of Israel, was also a friend of Epstein but was blackmailed by the Israeli right wing as well, and that this blackmail prevented an agreement with Arafat for a two-state solution. He asserts Epstein was used to change the course of history in the region and that Epstein’s influence trapped a number of US presidents, encompassing not only sexual matters but money as well, questioning where the money came from. Speaker 1 asks what he thinks of Dershowitz’s denial. Speaker 0 continues, stating that Epstein’s influence affected US policy and that “everything is stuck over Gazelle.” He claims Israelis have the American government captive due to Epstein’s past actions. He accuses Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal of publishing a card or birthday card Trump allegedly sent to Epstein, asking where they obtained it. He asserts Trump does not want to continue the war or genocide and suggests Israelis are holding him back, given Trump’s power to forge peace in places like South Korea and Palestine, and questions why they would need Epstein if they could simply assassinate Trump. He references speculation about John F. Kennedy’s assassination with Israeli intelligence help and notes that attempts on Trump’s life have occurred before elections, acknowledging sensitivity around such claims. He mentions the influence of bereaved or starving children imagery and the political pressure on leaders to act, predicting Israelis might ultimately face a reckoning or “harakiri.” Speaker 1 offers a geopolitical angle, suggesting GCC countries could leverage financial power to replace APAC lobbying and asks if Trump can leverage Arab world, Global South, and BRICS power to end the genocide. Speaker 0 responds that Trump can end the genocide if he stops fearing the Israelis, asserting that leaders will face accusations of abuses and billions of dollars taken, but morality should prevail and Trump should stop the genocide at any price. He mentions Robert Maxwell as an intelligent man who supposedly tried to leverage against the Israeli state with financial deals, noting that people can still be killed if they challenge Israel. He concludes that he cannot comment further but hopes Trump will have the United States and Middle East interests at heart and do the right thing.

Speaker: The speaker argues that we need to step back and examine the bigger picture of what was really going on with Epstein. According to the speaker, Epstein was “more than just a serial pedophile and a pervert. He was an incredibly powerful man,” who, in “multiple instances in the files that were just released,” was “talking about his work for Mossad, talking about his work for the Rothschilds.” The speaker emphasizes that this points to a broader pattern or operation, stating a need to “discuss the blackmail operation that was taking place” and asking, “which government that's a special ally of The United States put him up to it?” The speaker then questions the nature of U.S. alliances, asking, “do we really want to be allies with the country that kidnaps young girls, for rape just so they can have dirt on American politicians and control our foreign policy.” This line of inquiry is presented as the bigger underlying issue that, in the speaker’s view, has not been sufficiently discussed. The focus remains on connecting Epstein’s alleged activities to a broader blackmail or influence operation involving a foreign ally, and on the implications of such an alliance for U.S. political decision-making and foreign policy.

Jeffrey Epstein's wealth and connections raise questions about who he was working for, possibly foreign intelligence services. It's acceptable to ask if he worked for a foreign government, such as Israel, without it being considered hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's actions is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Many in Washington believe Epstein had connections to Mossad and ran a blackmail operation for a foreign government. The speaker questions why this can't be openly discussed. The speaker believes avoiding the topic creates resentment and hate. The Israeli government should be asked directly if they were involved, and their refusal to answer is unacceptable. As long as the U.S. provides financial aid, citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

"We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" "That's not right. Wrong headed." "I So got some blowback after saying Mossad possibilities with Epstein, a comment behind which I stand." "I've, of course, reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." "He says, I think he would have told me." "He didn't say he had any of those connections." "I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

Antisemitism is a bit of like a virus. And like some viruses, it exists in the kind of body politic and it's dormant like chickenpox. You get chickenpox as a young person and then after the kind of inflammation subsides, it's still in you. And it can manifest again when you're older because of stress or age as shingles. First it was after the, you know, the death of Christ. There were these accusations that the Jews killed Christ and that the Jews weren't a real religion because we didn't accept Christ and then we didn't accept Mohammed. Now it's the Jewish state that's illegitimate. And we see that now in the form of anti Zionism, which is anti Semitism.

The speaker discusses various connections between Jeffrey Epstein, Israel, and influential individuals. They mention Epstein's ties to Mossad, Ghislaine Maxwell's connections to Israel, and the involvement of Jewish individuals in Epstein's circle. The speaker emphasizes that not all Jewish people support Israel's actions and condemns any hatred towards all Jews. They also mention the influence of Israel on discussions about Epstein and the financial support received by US politicians from Israel. The speaker raises questions about the motivations behind the recent escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine and criticizes the support for Israel despite allegations of human trafficking and the killing of innocent civilians. They urge people to think critically and not blindly follow their party's beliefs.

The speaker asserts that a lodge called Bunybirith (also rendered as Beniobareth) is a Jewish supremacist organization involved in key manipulations in American history, including creating a false North–South vs. left–right dialectic and influencing the Civil War. They claim that Ulysses S. Grant notoriously expelled Jews from his military districts in Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky, challenging the idea that Grant was simply another white supremacist or antisemitic figure, and implying instead a broader Jewish influence at play. They allege that Bunybirith later became the ADL after the ritualistic murder of a Catholic girl named Mary Fagan, asserting that this connection could not be denied and asserting that discussions of it persist despite denials from public figures like Dennis Prager. The speaker references the Epstein files as a vehicle to discuss how “they” speak about “us” behind closed doors, and claims that the language used by Epstein mirrors racist attitudes described by Sigmund Freud, framing this as evidence of a broader religious philosophy and racist perspective in which non-Jews, or “goyim,” are described as cattle meant to be herded and ruled over. The speaker contends that this treatment toward them is part of a broader pattern tied to refusing to work for “Zionist psychopaths,” describing it as an act that would be like an animal beating someone at chess. They mention Candice’s decision to leave, noting that her life subsequently became subject to continued publishing assaults and name-calling, with accusations of antisemitic conspiracy until new emails emerged. A central claim involves Jeffrey Epstein, who the speaker says worked on behalf of the Rothschilds and, in an email, wrote that the Rothschilds credit themselves with having created which nation-state—Israel. The speaker connects this to a claim that the same nation-state is currently facing revelations of ritual abuse, with numerous women alleging abuse in a forest by rabbis, and notes that Epstein described the Rothschilds as his bosses, reinforcing the asserted link between Epstein, the Rothschilds, and Israel. Throughout, the speaker ties these points together to portray a pervasive, centuries-long pattern of hidden Jewish influence and control across U.S. history, financial power, media, and global geopolitics, culminating in a provocative synthesis that frames the Rothschilds and associated networks as central to what they describe as conspiratorial manipulation and systemic abuse of non-Jewish groups.

Speaker 0 addresses the topic of the Epstein situation, expressing a controversial viewpoint about labeling the matter. They begin by saying, "This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it." They then attempt to clarify their stance by asserting, "It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion." The speaker acknowledges that this interpretation is controversial, adding, "I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay, the issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is." They continue to differentiate between the legality and the ethical horror, insisting, "It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia, okay." However, despite labeling it pedophilia, they pivot to a different focal point, stating, "No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel." The speaker characterizes Epstein as being "probably working with Israel" and frames this as the underlying dilemma. They conclude by reiterating their position, "He's working with Israeli intelligence," emphasizing that this supposed affiliation constitutes the core of the dilemma discussed.

The speaker discusses Epstein-related documents and the implications people draw from them. They claim: - The memo circulated with media suggesting Jeffrey Epstein worked for the KGB, and that Epstein might have had multiple passports, talked to Israeli politicians and Jewish businessmen, and repeatedly invokes his Jewish identity. - In an email with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Epstein says he’s totally not working for Mossad. - Former Mossad officer Ari Ben Menashe says Epstein was working for Mossad. - In documents, Mark Iverson states that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein were working for Mossad; the speaker asserts that Robert Maxwell was not a Soviet spy. - British Foreign Office and Israeli whistleblowers say Epstein was working for Mossad, and he was given a hero’s burial in Israel, not in Russia. - In an actual email with Peter Thiel, Epstein says that he represents the Rothschild family. - The speaker poses questions: If a Russian passport proves he works for Russia, does boarding CIA planes prove he works for the United States? If he has a blackmail list on United Kingdom politicians, does that prove he works for the British? If he talks to Emmanuel Macron and prime minister Nicolas Sarkozy, does that prove he works for the French? The speaker concludes that, regardless, Epstein’s primary loyalties are with his people. - The speaker asserts that Zionists on Twitter claim the Epstein documents are a “nothingburger,” and urge continuing with other topics; they accuse those who disagreed of having low IQ and claim the documents reveal clear content with their own eyes. - Senator Bernie Sanders is described as saying this is a cautionary tale about wealth and power; the speaker counters by saying “your cousins” are helping orchestrate this, and that Sanders has repeatedly criticized Israel. - The speaker accuses proponents of diverting attention from the primary culprit and states that such attempts are not working on anyone.

Why is it that Jewish people in this country get blamed for what a nation on the other side of the world is doing constantly? He cites incidents: 'a couple weeks ago, we had, an individual show up at a synagogue in San Antonio with a knife, yelling at the people who came out of services, f all you Jews, go back to your country.' We had a Jewish man assaulted in broad daylight in San Francisco. He continues, 'Anti Zionism, I've long said is anti Semitism. I was wrong. Anti Zionism is genocide.' 'And what I mean is if you so dehumanize Zionists, by the way, every Jewish person is a Zionist.' 'So the idea that our national anthem would be the Hatikva, would be the hope. I should say our. It's the Israel's national anthem.'

Republicans who support Israel are being reminded that Jeffrey Epstein, who had ties to Mossad, was an Israeli spy. Epstein had connections to various individuals with ties to Israel, such as Ghislaine Maxwell, Leslie Wexner, and Ace Greenberg. However, it is important to note that not all Jewish people are Zionists or support Israel's actions. The speaker emphasizes that expressing hatred towards all Jews is unjustified. The speaker also suggests that the reason Epstein is not openly discussed is due to Israel's control over the platforms where discussions take place, rather than the influence of billionaires on his list. The speaker further mentions the financial ties between Israel and US politicians, including the president and the Clintons. The recent escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine is highlighted, with the speaker questioning the narrative that Hamas initiated the conflict. The speaker accuses Israel of being responsible for a large human trafficking ring and using it to influence politicians. The speaker concludes by urging Republicans to consider what they are supporting and questioning the morality of supporting a ring of pedophilia and the killing of innocent people in the name of a Jewish homeland.

Epstein's network was deeply connected to Israel, involving figures like Ehud Barak and Leslie Wexner. This network targeted American officials and even the president. Dan Bongino mentioned a source indicating Epstein worked for a Middle Eastern intelligence agency, which many suspect to be Israel. Israel's government is vulnerable to deep state influence due to its revolutionary founding and the involvement of organized crime figures and terrorist groups like Irgun and Lehi, whose members later became leaders. I was hesitant to delve into Israeli-Palestinian issues, fearing backlash. However, after researching and releasing a documentary on October 6, the October 7 events opened up the conversation. The Israeli influence has become detrimental, particularly with figures like Jeffrey Epstein, whose actions cast a dark shadow on both Israel and the Jewish community.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

Speaker 0 describes the backlash: "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away." He adds: "I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it." He asserts identity and support: "Yes. I'm an American citizen." "Yes. I want Israel to win." "But my moral character is now being put into question." He emphasizes the impact of online discourse: "Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first, period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation." He cites: "And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. It might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody, but we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like just some rule. You can't go there when it comes to Israel." He concludes with: "I love Israel."

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.

The speaker addresses Tucker, noting a perceived "obsession with Israel" when discussing foreign countries, unlike when discussing China, Japan, the UK, or France. The speaker claims that when Israel is mentioned, the question arises: "What about the Jews?" The speaker anticipates being labeled antisemitic for raising this point. The speaker denies directly asking if Jews control foreign policy, but the other person insists that is exactly what the speaker implied.