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Charlie Kirk's interview with Megyn Kelly is highlighted, showing him fed up with attacks. 'However, Megan, you're hitting on something very potent and important.' He continues, 'I don't wanna judge an entire group because there's been many people in the Paris World that have been sweet, kind, nuanced, Charlie.' 'I love Israel. I want Israel to win.' But he adds, 'But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan.' He says attacks come from 'the people that are attacking me are in a hyperparanoid state because they're at war.' He invites viewers: 'If you too, just like Charlie, are starting to wake up and notice and you really wanna understand this animal that is Israel, swing over to Ian Carroll's YouTube channel and check out the documentary we just pre produced called creating Israel.' 'It's the perfect icebreaker,' and asks, 'Why is that America? Keep asking those questions.'

Speaker 1 questions the letter's truth; Speaker 2 confirms, "Yeah. I mean, it's it's real." They reference Nick Fuentes claiming Israel killed Charlie and mention "the call, like, Israel called him and told him to to to." Speaker 2 summarizes Charlie's Israel stance as nuanced: "he wanted people who controlled The Holy Land to be civilized people" and "didn't want it to be in the hands of Islam," preferring "a civilized group ... friendly to the West" over hostile Muslim nations. He was frustrated at being unable to criticize Israel without being labeled an anti Semitic, and had vehement disagreements about how the war was prosecuted and messaged; he wanted it to be over and saw more freedom to criticize America than Israel. "Even Tucker Carlson" noted Charlie Kirk's anti Semitic labeling; "BB's comments" were odd; he hosted critics like Dave Smith and recognized that "young people were much more Israeli skeptic," arguing that silencing debate would be a "huge disservice to the conservative movement."

Charlie mentioned Tucker and Candace forty eight hours earlier as they were trying to control who he's allowed to speak to. He was worried that Israel was infringing upon speech in America; "I have text messages to that effect." He was genuinely pro Israel; "there was nothing. there was not payment that was coming in." Toward the end, he was "over it towards the end because of Jewish behavior". Less than forty eight hours before he died, "Charlie announces that he has no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause because of Jewish donors and their behavior living up to these stereotypes." We never said "Israel killed Charlie Kirk." "I am uncomfortable with how many lies people that support Israel have been telling in the wake of his death."

"BB's holding it up like Charlie just in May said, hey, you know what? I just want to write a love letter to Israel." "I'm an American citizen. Yes. I want Israel to win. Yes. I'm a Christian." "But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan." "But no. I am a bad person if I do this." "Thousands of tweets and text messages." "the people that are attacking me are in a hyperparanoid state because they're at war, and war tends to make things black and white, and you're a hammer looking for a nail." "What would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in nineteen thirties Germany online? How would I behave?" "Tucker Carlson was really the focus when it came to America Fest."

Asked about the last meeting with Charlie, it wasn't 'about, like, this is what you should say,' but 'talking through the issues' with Charlie asking questions and 'then saying, Okay, I think I'm going to approach this issue this way and this is going to be my position on it.' They discussed 'USA to Israel,' and 'I'm opposed to USA to Israel. I want it to be drawn down,' noting Netanyahu's stance. They talked through 'why is Israel actually an American interest?' 'Why is it in America's interest to support Israel?' Charlie was a listener, and 'the open marketplace of ideas' was a core fundamental. He believed in that, which is why he annoyed people by platforming Tucker Carlson and others, because for Charlie, 'the idea that you're supposed to silence any opinion was anathema.' 'Do I think he went too far with it? Well, yes.'

Speaker defends American Jews against campus antisemitism, calling the “ripping down of the hostage posters” “absolutely disgusting” and saying, “I don't have to defend Israel, and I don't defend Israel. I generally am on Israel's side.” He is “certainly not on the side of Hamas, which is a terrorist organization” and “cried on the air after it happened” following the “ten seven attack.” He says Hamas propaganda “the Gaza Ministry of Peace” and “those numbers are all lies,” but devastation cannot continue; Israel has “taken out Hezbollah” and Hamas has been “decimated.” He asserts, “it's time to wrap it up” and “I will not be shamed out of it by being called an anti Semite.” On Tucker, “Too fucking bad”—“I love him.” He praises Candace as “a young mom of, like, three young kids” under pressure and refuses to attack her, calling pushback “the same thing as the BLM folks.”

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

Nick Fuentes discusses being enemy number one to the government, citing being on the no-fly list and having bank accounts frozen. He says questioning the Israel lobby in 2017 led to backlash. He describes being blacklisted by conservatives and social media censorship, including being banned from platforms and banks due to "reputational risk." Fuentes says he was a libertarian neocon in his youth, consuming Breitbart and Prager University content. He gets his information from the New York Times, Axios, and Twitter, using background knowledge to discern truth from propaganda. He acknowledges biases but tries to be objective. He addresses accusations of antisemitism, attributing them to political correctness. He admits to "baiting" early in his career to break through censorship. Fuentes wants America to be more Christian, specifically Catholic, and more white and European. He questions when enough immigration is enough, citing assimilation concerns. He believes the 2016 and 2020 elections were referendums on America's identity. He says individual actions determine right and wrong, criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza. He claims the Israeli government's actions stem from not being Christian. Fuentes denies being a white supremacist but believes race is real. He says Jewish people are influential due to tribalism, not just IQ. He says they are allowed to work as a team in an open system. He questions their loyalty to America, citing loyalty to Israel. He says they had a long-term relationship with the US, but it is dubious how much they benefit the US. He says they are playing a very long game and have influence in many capitals. He says they are a country, we're a country, they have a distinct national interest, they're threatened by us, and we should be threatened by them. Fuentes says third-party journalists are not allowed in Israel, which is a red flag. He says if everything is what someone says it is, then why are certain third-party publications not allowed to go and report? He says it's hard to make the conclusion that something bad isn't happening or something wrong isn't happening with that being true. Fuentes says he got in contact with Ye after the DEFCON 3 tweet. He went to Mar-a-Lago with Ye, who asked Trump to be his VP. He says Trump lost his mind and said Ye could never win. He says Ye is a good man who loves everybody but is getting screwed over. He says he wants to move on, but they won't let him move forward unless he apologizes. Fuentes says he would consider being in politics, but they're gonna throw everything he's ever said in his face. He says he's not a hateful guy, but he makes jokes about black people, Polish people, Mexicans, you name it. He says he doesn't think there's any constituency. Fuentes says he hates working out because it hurts. He says the gym bro culture is so vain. He says people should work out, but some people take it a little too far. Fuentes says after the election, he got really viral, because he said, Your body, my choice. He says everybody posted his home address, his phone number, and so people started just coming to his house. He says a kid came to his house with a gun and a crossbow and killed his dogs. He says he thinks it had to do with that tweet. He says now he has security at his place. Fuentes says he's not a really social person. He reads a lot. He plays video games. He says he's a big gamer. He says he plays, like, map games, like Civilization V and Call of War. He says he's a big fan of Joseph Stalin. He says he wants to understand life. Fuentes says he's definitely a Big Mac guy. He says everything about UFOs comes from the DOD. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says there's no aliens. He says if there's aliens, we don't know about them. He says some people say aliens are demons. He says everything that we know about them or learn about them literally comes from the Department of Defense and the Pentagon, all these disclosures. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says he's not a Nordic, that's for sure. He says he's a gray. Fuentes says he's not a really social person. He reads a lot. He plays video games. He says he's a big gamer. He says he plays, like, map games, like Civilization V and Call of War. He says he's a big fan of Joseph Stalin. He says he wants to understand life. Fuentes says he's definitely a Big Mac guy. He says everything about UFOs comes from the DOD. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says there's no aliens. He says if there's aliens, we don't know about them. He says some people say aliens are demons. He says everything that we know about them or learn about them literally comes from the Department of Defense and the Pentagon, all these disclosures. He says he thinks it's a big SIOP. He says he doesn't think there's any aliens here. Fuentes says he's not a Nordic, that's for sure. He says he's a gray. Fuentes says he had never heard from Nelk before, but he woke up at 2 PM, and his phone's blowing up. He says they said, Oh, Nelk wants you to come on the show. He says that's how he heard about it. He says they said, Yeah, we want your reaction to the to the interview. He says he washed his face, he got on, and he thinks they they were getting a lot of shit for that. He says they were getting a lot of blowback. He says they were looking for the other side to come on and kinda tell them, you know, that what they did was okay, or it wasn't that bad. He says that he was, like, the counterweight, which is kinda funny to think about. He says it's kinda funny that they bring on Netanyahu and they think, we need to hear from the other side. He says, Let's get Nick Fuentes, which is like prime minister of Israel, like livestreamer. He says that that's the two. Fuentes says he agrees with the host, and he said that to them. He says, Like, obviously, you're gonna take it. He says, Because as a content creator, it's like you say, it's gonna be a big interview. He says, But the thing is, when it comes to pushback, it's just doing your due diligence. He says, You're acting almost on behalf of the audience and saying, what would the audience say? He says, What would a skeptical mind say in this circumstance? He says, And he told them, the only way to make it right, or the way to make it fair, is you gotta interview the other side. He says, If your goal is we're gonna hear everybody out, gonna hear out Netanyahu, we're not gonna give a ton of pushback, okay. He says, But unless you interview the other side, then it's propaganda. He says, So you gotta interview the pro Palestine side, whatever. Fuentes says he doesn't wanna say it, but he heard that they got hooked up with somebody who's pro Palestine. He says that's fitting, because it's an Israel Palestine war. He says, But even an America first person, even someone like Tucker for that matter, who is up with a similar stature to Netanyahu in terms of notoriety. He says, Or you. He says, Or me. He says, But he doesn't wanna be a shameless self advocate. He says, They should talk to me. Fuentes says he didn't watch the whole interview. He says it was just clips.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. And those two those two things beautifully coexisted." "Exactly. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

Speaker 0: "We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" Speaker 1: "That's not right. Wrong headed." He says he faced blowback after saying, "Mossad, possibilities with Epstein," a comment he stands by, and that he "reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." He writes, "He says, I think he would have told me. He didn't say he had any of those connections. I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "I think all these things should be explored." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." He finishes, "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "You never you never once said, hey, I'm I'm out on America. On America's right." "And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government."

Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all. "Bibi is despised by many people, in Israel." There are "huge divisions within the Israeli government," and "parts of the intel world in Israel that do not support some things Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently." "his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it for his own political ends, particularly because what he said was completely untrue." "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He loved the state of Israel, loved going there." He "did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times, and to people around him many times." "He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force." He was "appalled by what was happening in Gaza," and he "resented Netanyahu using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States."

Some people believe that disagreeing with Israel is antisemitic, which is seen as comparable to calling someone racist simply for disagreeing with them. There's a concern that constantly accusing people of hating Jews could lead to increased disdain towards Jewish people. Similarly, excessive focus on race may exacerbate racism. Canceling someone like Tucker Carlson for alleged antisemitism could increase antisemitism by association. The binary view that not passionately discussing Israel equates to being a hater is potentially destructive. A balanced approach is needed: rejecting Jew-hate while avoiding labeling everyone who critiques the Netanyahu government as antisemitic. The speakers express a desire to talk about Israel less.

Speaker 0 expresses that "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away" and that he is accused of being an anti-Semite despite "I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath." He notes online backlash, "thousands of tweets and text messages," and that his "moral character is now being put into question" for supporting Israel. Speaker 1 agrees the treatment is unfair, saying "Dave Smith isn't allowed to criticize Israel" and that "the Israeli side was overrepresented." They discuss Americans first, resisting accusations, and the difficulty of criticizing the Israeli government online. They reference Epstein's controversial topic and say they hosted a debate giving "equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro Israel advocate." They observe a "hyperparanoid state" online and wonder if patterns resemble "nineteen thirties Germany."

Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson had a heated exchange where Cruz questioned Carlson's "obsession with Israel," implying anti-Semitism. This occurred after Cruz stated he goes to Congress to "advance and serve the interest of Israel." The speaker highlights the US's extensive financial and military support for Israel, arguing it impacts foreign policy, civil liberties, and free speech. They claim criticism of Israel is often met with accusations of anti-Semitism, a tactic they compare to conservatives being labeled bigots for questioning liberal views. Carlson denied being anti-Semitic and accused Cruz of deflecting from valid questions about US foreign policy and loyalty to foreign governments. The speaker criticizes Cruz's "cowardice" for implying bigotry through innuendo rather than direct accusation. They state that Carlson was questioning the propriety of going to war for Israel, and Cruz insinuated that Carlson was an anti-Semite obsessed with Jews.

In a focus group, participants debate how canceling Tucker Carlson would affect antisemitism and whether labeling opponents as anti Semitic is productive. One says, 'if we were to cancel Tucker, would anti antisemitism increase or decrease?' The response: 'I think increase because that means any supporter of Tucker Carlson's statement therefore makes them anti semitic. Don't association. Mhmm. 100%.' They critique a binary: 'the binary that's presented is that if you don't passionately talk about it, you are a hater.' The discussion shifts to Israel, with a participant stating, 'I love Israel. I visited there,' and describing American concerns: 'we are, like, flooded with illegals, and no one speaks English, and our hospitals are clogged.' They urge to 'reject the Jew hate' but warn against labeling everyone anti Semite for opposing Netanyahu: 'it's bad for everybody.' They ask, 'welcome us not talking about Israel nearly as much? Yes. 100%.' Finally, they frame the issue as a 'messaging problem' and warn, 'there's an earthquake coming on this issue'—'hear it from people themselves.'

Speaker 0: Is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question. You know, look at Maybe we shouldn't believe everything. Look at that. Maybe we shouldn't believe everything. Here too, but they got Charlie Kirk, and it's just heartbreaking. Who's they, b b? Who's they? You got Charlie Carter.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "And those two things beautifully coexisted." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often." "Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

Speaker recounts meeting with Charlie: it wasn’t about 'this is what you should say,' but 'talking through the issues' as Charlie asked questions and began forming positions. He would 'approach this issue this way' and decide his stance on topics like 'USA to Israel,' which speaker opposed, wanting it drawn down; Netanyahu has said he wants it drawn down. Charlie would articulate his position more quickly than the speaker. They discussed why is Israel actually an American America's interest to support Israel and explored approaches to justify it, not just those favored by Israelis or the Israeli government, but ways to help Charlie feel comfortable with a position. Charlie is a 'listener' who believes in the 'open marketplace of ideas'—his existential core—and he platformed Tucker Carlson; silencing any opinion was 'anathema' to him because of truth seeking. 'For all of us, our best traits we often have to a fault.'

Charlie Kirk faced mounting pressure about Israel debates. "I'm an American citizen. Yes. I want Israel to win. Yes. I'm a Christian." He says "the sum of the mess" and that "my moral character is now being put into question" while insisting "I love Israel. I want Israel to win." He recalls "thousands of tweets" and a pattern "similar to what my grandparents saw in nineteen thirties Germany online?" as well as threats to "pull out money" and "nasty text messages." The discussion centered on Tucker Carlson and why Charlie would allow voices like "Dave Smith, who by the way is Jewish" on stage. Beebe Netanyahu allegedly staged "an intervention" by "Bill Ackman" with "threats" after which Charlie "denied that funding" and was invited to Israel, an invitation Charlie "said no to Bebe." "Just take the last step, Charlie." Charlie was praying the rosary. Charlie was going to mass.

I attended a TPUSA faith event expecting politics to be shaped by biblical principles, but the experience did not meet that expectation. The event opened with a speaker who immediately criticized Candace Owens, calling her evil and antisemitic, and stating that what she’s doing is evil. I wanted to leave, but security was intense—armed men were stationed all around the venue, and there was even an armed man on stage with a hand on his gun. The security presence made me uncomfortable. Inside, the speaker talked extensively about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, portraying them as evil and antisemitic. He argued that Christians should support Israel because Jesus was a Jew and Judaism underpins Christianity, while claiming that what Israel is doing is evil and corrupt. He suggested that refusing to support Israel would be anti-Semitic. I disagree with this framing, and it struck me as not aligning with what I expect from biblical politics. I also noted that the speaker referenced Charlie Kirk (though I recall it as Charlie Cook) and suggested that Kirk would not endorse the positions being discussed, referencing Kirk’s and Owens’ friendship and his past critiques of Israel. Throughout, the speaker’s preaching style resembled name-calling rather than traditional preaching. He labeled the political left as “idiots,” “freaks,” and “losers,” and spent much of the time denigrating liberals rather than offering constructive biblical guidance. This approach felt discordant with Christian teachings I associate with Jesus, who, as the speaker himself stated he loves, “ate with sinners,” including prostitutes. I felt the message was spreading hate rather than embodying the inclusive example I expect from Christian doctrine. A major concern was the impact on young attendees. Teenagers and young Christians appeared to be absorbing the message, treating this figure as a leader and a future guide for their faith, which raised alarms about further division within the Christian community. In summary, the event did not teach the biblical political perspectives I anticipated. The emphasis was on discrediting the left and on framing Israel in terms of Jewish loyalty, rather than engaging with broader Christian concerns. The speaker’s approach—name-calling of political opponents, calls for aggressive stances, and a heavy focus on left-wing critique—left me feeling that the session did not align with constructive faith-based political discussion. The speaker also touched on issues like men in women’s sports, but stated this was not the most important topic for Christians to discuss amid broader national concerns.

"The American Jewish Committee called in a statement Charlie Kirk an anti Semite and quote dangerous. 'Charlie Kirk, an anti Semite.' 'Yeah. He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite, and he was not dangerous.' He was 'a great lover of people and a purveyor of peace,' 'the opposite,' and he was 'very stung by that.' 'Charlie was deeply offended by that' and expressed some of those feelings on Megyn Kelly show and in other places, but that did not let up. The story is told because he called me and then came to see me at my house about this topic. And I said to him every single time, 'look, I've got my own way to communicate my views.' This is actually not the most important issue to me. There are lots of things I can talk about. I don't need to come to Turning Point. I can take a year off no problem. I hated seeing how much he was suffering, the hassle he was getting from people, and I was attacked too. By the way, it was a huge effort. I wasn't fully aware of it actually because I don't go online."

The speaker discusses how the Israel lobby and some Congress members labeled Tucker Carlson “literally Hitler” and argue he’s the greatest threat since Hitler to Jewish people, prompting calls for censorship. He then references a leaked video, reportedly from good people in Israel, showing Israeli troops committing mass anal gang rapes, and notes that Netanyahu described the ensuing disclosure as the worst PR attack and disaster in Israeli history, though not condemning the acts themselves but criticizing the leak and the Israeli media for publicizing them. He argues that the exposure is, in his view, a positive development for Israel because it reveals wrongdoing, while condemning Netanyahu for framing it as a PR disaster. The speaker questions why the focus is on PR rather than the morality of the acts, asking why perpetrators aren’t imprisoned and criticizing pundits on Israeli TV who allegedly suggest normalizing or endorsing such violence. He asserts that Hamas and similar groups are morally condemned, but emphasizes that Netanyahu’s reaction is more about public relations than moral concern. He asserts that evil exists broadly, including in communist China and within the US government, and argues for exposing corruption rather than covering it up, insisting that a moral code is necessary—“a creed to live by,” citing John Wayne and declaring Christian and America-first principles. He presents examples of what he characterizes as “truly disgusting” mainline Israeli TV content, including statements endorsing violence against Muslims, and claims that such rhetoric demonstrates a lack of moral authority. He asserts that there is global scrutiny and that certain Israelis who expose wrongdoing should be in charge, not those who defend or hide it. The speaker then shifts to promoting his platform and legal battles to shut down his show, directing listeners to the AlleyShowStore.com (not his ownership), describing it as funding InfoWars and the Alley Show network. He promotes products, including ultra methylene red and methylene blue, claiming strong, quick effects, non-stimulant feelings, and high customer satisfaction (an 80-plus percent reorder rate for methylene blue). He advertises a sale with autoship options, 50% off future orders, and 25% sitewide discounts through a Black Friday/Cyber Monday-style promotion, noting the deals are time-limited and could end at any moment. He mentions the availability of methylene red on alexjonesstore.com and asserts a broader “disturbance in the force” motif, inviting wide access to these products.

The speaker condemns Ian Carroll for making videos that claim Israel is behind conspiracies about Red Lobster, Applebee's, and Burger King, and for a live stream asking, “Where are you Nick? … Why are you with them?” He asks where the evidence is and notes the tendency to attribute almost every event to Israel, stating, “the heuristic seems to be Israel is behind literally everything,” past and future, which he calls ridiculous. He points to a September 7 tweet where Carroll said Charlie Kirk is “working for the Jews that killed Jesus,” and contrasts it with Carroll’s certainty on September 11 that Israel killed him to silence him, questioning what changed in those four days and suggesting Carroll may have ESP or telepathy. He accuses Carroll of grifting, intellectual laziness, and dishonesty, and refuses to be pulled into blaming Israel for killing the number one Israel defender in America. The speaker asserts personal history and credibility, saying, “I’ve been over here. I was at Charlottesville” in 2017, and that in 2019 he led the Gruyper war against Charlie Kirk, labeling Kirk as an “Israel shill.” He claims that from Turning Point’s founding in 2012 to today, the organization has been “owned by Israel and served Israel.” He recounts a June text in which Charlie Kirk told Dinesh D’Souza, “Nick Fuentes is vermin,” and notes the ongoing fight against him for six years, including Kirk’s August statement calling him “anti Semitic garbage” and his refusal to debate. The speaker describes Charlie Kirk’s inner circle and media connections: Kirk’s right-hand man Andrew Colvin comes from Salem Media, a Christian Zionist outlet aligned with Israel, with Melissa Strait having connections to Salem and Prager University and IDF unit 12082. He notes Colvin led a “struggle session about Israel” after a Turning Point SAS conference in July. He claims that when Israel bombed Qatar in contravention of Trump’s foreign policy, Kirk invited Ben Shapiro to present Israel’s position, while Kirk acted as moderator, and on the day Kirk “was shot,” he prepared to defend Israel with his rabbi at Provo as he drafted a book on the Jewish Sabbath. The speaker emphasizes that the person accused of fighting Israel was “the guy that was murdered,” and expresses pity for those who would believe that. He asserts, “I’m right here where I’ve always been, following the facts, following the money, looking at the information,” claiming to be light years ahead of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and rejecting the idea that their ideology is about Netanyahu or Israel’s foreign policy, concluding, “No, sorry. Absolutely not. That’s totally ridiculous.”

The speaker addresses Tucker, noting a perceived "obsession with Israel" when discussing foreign countries, unlike when discussing China, Japan, the UK, or France. The speaker claims that when Israel is mentioned, the question arises: "What about the Jews?" The speaker anticipates being labeled antisemitic for raising this point. The speaker denies directly asking if Jews control foreign policy, but the other person insists that is exactly what the speaker implied.